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Hey Ken, welcome.
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Uh we're blessed by the presence of Dean again.
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This is totally different which totally different night we're recording this.
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Which I it's a good thing we're hitting a doubleheader because the last episode Dean was on was a part of the some of the ones that got formatted.
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Oh, nuked?
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Yeah.
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Was it he really?
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Yeah, it was it was the the book review and and then Dean.
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Oh, were you there for the stand when we were it it was two, there was two on there.
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Really?
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It was the one with him and the yeah.
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Damn.
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Lost like it was bad.
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I had never done that before, but I formatted a SD card before pulling the episodes off.
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One day, one day we'll have a dog ear dialogue about the stand again.
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Yeah.
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It's hard to saddle back up for it, it was like six hours worth of us talking about the book, and it was gone.
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I don't know if it was six hours, but it was it was two episodes.
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It was close.
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Yeah, I had that happen.
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I I just bought a drone, I bought a like a Mavic uh Mavic Pro.
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I think it's the first one, and I had I made it a point that I was going to get like quality drone footage of flying in as many national parks as I could.
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Because you're not allowed to do that.
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And I gotten quite a few really good ones.
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I got I got um uh we were in you got this on the podcast?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No one knows it's anonymous.
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All right, I'm just saying, bro.
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They they're not messing around with the drones.
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Yeah.
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Well, this was this was like probably six years ago or so.
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Yeah.
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So it's a little more safe at the time.
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Um I got some really good ones in the Redwoods.
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Uh I got some really good ones in uh Yosemite, and um uh one of the ones I was really stoked about that wasn't a national park, but I was pretty pumped about it, was in the salt flats.
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And during one particular time of the year, I think it's usually March, April, they're they're flooded.
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So you've got like maybe an inch of water all the way through the salt flats, and it's kind of like a murky blue color.
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Yeah.
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And I was just hovering like half a foot above the water, just like cruising this drone, basically.
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Uh, but anyway, I went to go pull it off and I accidentally formatted the SD card.
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And that's it was it was all yeah, it was all gone.
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I actually did that with someone's wedding once.
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Yeah, I did it as a volunteer job.
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Okay, that's it.
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I didn't charge him for it, you know, as a volunteer one.
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I was just gonna record the footage and then send it to him.
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Yeah, I wasn't gonna edit it or anything.
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And then I had another wedding after that, and I was like, Oh, format this old card.
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So I don't I mixed them up, dude.
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Did they ever ask you for that footage?
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No, yeah.
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I told them, I was like, it's gone.
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They were like, they're like, Really?
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I'm like, yeah, sorry.
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What can I there's nothing I can do?
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I did I did use this program that you can recover some files off of it after you formatted the card.
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I've tried that too.
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It was it's called recover it, and it's total malware, but it works to recover stuff off of it.
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It does work, really.
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Yeah, it oh yeah, and I got like probably two hours of their wedding back, but there was no like audio to it.
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I was trying to do them and do when you can mail your card in somewhere and pay them to do it, they'll basically like recover it and send it back to you.
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Yeah, anyways.
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Um, dude, in the news, man.
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Dean, you've been a little bit out of it.
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You just got back from a trip from Jamaica, but there's a lot of uh crazy stuff going on with uh essentially shootings in the last uh week.
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There was the shooting at Brown University, and then there was the Pakistani shooters down in Australia on the Bondi Beach.
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And um let's break these down one at a time.
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Yeah, so just for a good refresher.
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Um the Brown one, I think they happened on the same day.
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Yeah, I think they did.
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Um they were back-to-back days, but one of the two.
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So Brown University is in uh Rhode Island, I believe.
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Uh yeah, Providence, Rhode Island.
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Um, and so this uh shooting occurred on campus.
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Um, and the details as best as I understand them is that there was an individual um that uh essentially came onto campus, could have been could be a student, might not be a student, um, but they immediately beelined to the library where there was uh this conservative group.
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It's the one conservative creep group on Brown University that's like an approved student group.
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And um he went on to campus, and I'm saying he, it could be a she, but you know, statistically it's a guy.
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Um and he went to that group and pulled out the his gun and shot the leader of the group um and shot her in the face and then and killed her, and um shot another student, and I believe I don't know if he shot another nine or if the other nine were injured in like the chaos of it, but it was essentially an assassination um of Ella Cook.
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And Ella Cook is was this you know student leader of this conservative group.
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Um, she had been out outspoken on campus about her beliefs, very kind of like you know, turning point um esque kind of like welcoming debates and conversations on campus to have you know top discussing like political topics.
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But she was 19 and a sophomore.
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Oh yes.
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And uh it was it was clearly a targeted attack against her and this student group because he didn't attack anyone else after he did this, he ran off.
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Um, but someone has been doing an analysis of his uh gate, and we can use machine learning models.
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Uh, and there's a pretty good match between uh this individual and another one who was present at a couple of the um protests uh and stuff uh around Brown University, uh about like Free Palestine and stuff like that.
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And so they think some people who, you know, these aren't police, these are just people uh in their spare time doing these analyses and going over footage.
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Um, but there's quite a few people who think they might have been able to zero in on like the suspect and who they are.
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But the this this crazy thing is that Brown University, uh, and this was in an interview with the police department, a reporter asked this question.
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Uh, but Brown University has the most cameras of any uh like building in like or any property in Rhode Island, so there should be no shortage of footage, and they've only released a few, and most of the footage that's actually out there is of the suspect walking in front of homes with like ring doorbell cameras and stuff.
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And so a lot of people are like, it's just not passing the sniff tests, like it feels like the university is really sweeping it and just like, oh yeah, we don't know where they are or who they are, and we have no suspects at this time, and uh they're not releasing any more footage.
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They keep like people like are asking them, like, do you have more footage?
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And they're like, We've only we're only releasing what we've released.
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It's like what so you do have more footage, but like, why aren't you letting us see it?
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Like, we someone might be able to identify this individual.
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Um, it's a it's a pretty crazy thing, man.
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Um, and there's like suspicion that like the individual is related to someone on you know the board for the school and stuff, and that there's like a lot of political kind of uh damage control.
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Yeah, it is Brown University.
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Um, yeah, and so it's it's overall just a tragic thing and very sad, but it's it it is not what we would characterize as like a typical school shooting.
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Most school shootings do not have specific individuals targeted or specific groups, like the shooter goes on to the campus to cause as much harm as possible before they're taken out.
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And I I did hear uh the term mass shooter shooting getting passed around in relation to this, which really does a disservice to when that actually does happen.
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Like when it is a targeted attack.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Because I'm like in this case, I'm like this is an active, not necessarily an active shooter.
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Yeah.
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It's like you're where you're saying it's not random, then it just goes somewhere random and start spraying bullets away.
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Right, right.
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This isn't a mass shooting, like this is a murder, like a targeted murder.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Yep.
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Um on campus.
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Yeah, well, uh uh and you know, in contrast to what we s we are calling a terror attack in Australia.
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Right.
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This is a terror attack.
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Those people, the the two shooters in Australia were targeting Jews.
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They were targeting Jews on the first day of Hanukkah.
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This person was targeting the conservative student group and specifically didn't want to give away what their intentions were until they had killed the leader of that group.
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And this is in a this where um where the student was shot.
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Was this in like the library?
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Yeah, it was in the library, which you and I, well, I mean, all three of us went to the same university.
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I mean, how many cameras are in the library?
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You know what I mean?
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Like, there's no way you can.
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That is the V place to have cameras in the school.
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Yeah.
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Um and I it was crazy.
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I watched the footage, it could have been straight out of the university we went to.
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Like the library looks one for one, the same kind of building.
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I don't know if Brown University is a state-funded school like ours was.
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A lot of the state-funded schools have the same architecture and design, and like, you know, their libraries have that same kind of like uh brutalist concrete architecture, right?
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And um, so but part of me is just like scratching my head still here at like how can they not have any clue as to who the suspect is yet?
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Right.
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Um, especially if it's someone which we're seeing here uh where they're likely someone who's been around Brown University for a number of years and partaking in these other events.
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Um, but again, it's political.
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They don't want to say it was an assassination and a targeted attack because then that turns it into a terror thing, and then now you have on your university's record a terror attack occurring on campus.
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Right.
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Um, so all that said, it's a it's a sad thing.
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Um, I don't know if you guys have thoughts or comments from like anything else you've pulled up in reference to it before we move on to the other one.
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Um but yeah, there's there's like this gate analysis program uh that an individual's released where it's studying like stride length cadence.
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Um, and when you see the person they're matching it to, you're like, damn, that is the same build.
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Could be a woman.
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I think it's hard to tell if this other individual because the mask is off and they they're wearing a cafe around their neck.
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Um but it it could be a female as well.
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It's it's hard to tell.
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Some people are speculating like trans stuff, but uh I mean yeah.
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I don't want to just always go with like the classic trans boogeyman.
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And I don't from me looking at it, I don't necessarily see that.
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You know, I mean it's a person super covered up.
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Yeah.
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And the um I'm just looking at the picture of this guy.
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Yeah, the what what did the gate analysis say?
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They connected it to somebody, yeah.
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The um I believe they believe it's uh this individual known.
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I'm just making sure I have I don't want to just drop names and bring attention, but they say it's a 97.8 match with Mustafa Karbush.
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Um uh and the suspect has been scrubbed from Brown University and its websites.
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Uh Brown University has released a statement condemning uh uh Mustafa as a suspect and like saying like this isn't valid.
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And yeah, the narrative is like Mustafa is a third-year undergraduate.
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Um used the pronouns they he um third generation Palestinian refugee.
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So it's like there's it's again like a very all like politically charged thing, but what we're looking at here looks to be a lot like uh I would say an emboldened assassination.
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Um so we'll see, we'll see how that plays out.
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It's again, it's a sad thing.
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Um I just don't know, like I don't want to be alarmist, I'm an anti-dumerism, but I'm also like, hey, like I don't give a I don't give a damn if your campus says you're not allowed to carry, like, might as well carry.
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Right.
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And like well, I mean, technically speaking, the worst thing that can happen to you is you get charged with trespassing.
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Sure, I don't even care if I got charged with like a federal thing, if it's me and my friends are alive, you know what I mean?
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Um, but it it is a it it and I'm not saying that like you know, any of these victims should feel like any sense of guilt that they weren't carrying, but if we're living in a day and age where people are getting emboldened to like go onto campuses and execute targeted attacks, then like, you know, definitely in my eyes, the value of okay, I could possibly be punished and charged with carrying this firearm in a place where it's not allowed.
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Uh that's a lot less of a consequence than seeing people murdered in front of me.
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Yeah.
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Um, so uh the Bondi shooting, though, this one's sad.
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Uh it also has a lot of kind of politically charged stuff around it.
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So the shooters were father and son, uh Pakistani immigrants to Australia, and uh they were specifically targeting Jews.
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Uh the firearms they had are legal firearms in Australia to be purchased if you have a firearms license.
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I didn't even know you could purchase firearms in Australia.
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Yeah, you could purchase them.
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The license program is pretty strict, uh, and you have to have like justification for them, like protecting livestock or um trapping beat clubs and things too.
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You can get it for that.
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Hunting.
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A big one is culling.
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Uh a lot, like there's like actual guys who are paid by this like the the state gov of you know, different um I don't know they're not called states, territories in Australia, and they're paid to go out and kill camels because camels are non-native to Australia, but they are a pest in a lot of Australia.
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Some guys' whole jobs are to drive out and to the out back of Australia and just shoot and kill as many camels as they can in a day.
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That's crazy.
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It's all there's a YouTuber who just throws all the footage of it, and bro, he is just like it's insane.
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He's John Wicking these camels, and it's it's one of the most he's also anti-civilian zoning guns, so he's kind of a douche.
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But he is he has some pretty insane footage of him just like running through the outback desert, just shooting camels point blank and just like in the middle of the herd shooting them.
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Yeah.
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Um, but anyway, so these shooters, uh, if I understand correctly, they should they as immigrants they don't qualify to have a firearms license.
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Now, that's what I've heard and read.
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Okay.
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I'm not familiar with Australia law, so that could be incorrect.
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But um technically, if they had these licenses legally and the system didn't fail, then they purchased them and they were, you know, they they per they were purchased legally.
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Um, but the crazy thing is this just goes to show people like this is this was Australia's Uval Day.
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Yeah, the police in Australia are armed.
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It's not like the UK where they don't have guns on them.
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And so there's footage here.
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You can look up pictures and screenshots of the of the footage where police are cowering behind vehicles seriously for over 30 minutes.
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They were they were there for over 30 minutes just hiding while these two were going around shooting people.
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And uh two of the people murdered, uh, I don't think the other guys died of his injuries.
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I think he's recovering.
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Yeah, he's shot in the arm.
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Uh two of the people murdered were an elderly couple in their 60s and 70s that were on their way back to the car, saw the shooter, stopped, and like wrestled the gun away from him before he drew another before he drew another gun and shot and killed them both.
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What were what were the firearms?
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Shotguns, bolt actions, and then uh a handgun, I believe.
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay.
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Um but so these two 60, 70-year-old geriatric people, like actually disarmed one of the shooters.
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Yeah.
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And the thing is also though, like, in a culture where they don't have any uh right to self-defense, none like they didn't shoot the shooter.
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Yeah.
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Even as the shooter was drawing another gun to shoot them, they didn't shoot him.
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And then the other individual, which to his credit, was he, I believe he was an Afghanistan immigrant, or was he a Pakistani immigrant as well?
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Maybe it was Middle Eastern.
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Um he wrestled another gun away from what was it, Pat the father.
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And he wrestled the gun away, but then after he wrestled away, he just sat it down.
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And then the guy ran away and got another gun out of the trunk and kept shooting.
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And he could have shot him and ended the fight there.
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Um, and so it's one of those things where like we see a culture here who one knows that their government is gonna see them as a culprit for defending themselves, and two has not been uh emboldened to essentially like take action and protect themselves and take life if necessary.
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Uh, and the last thing is like their culture that can't rely on their police to defend them and protect them.
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Yeah.
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Um, and it's it's kind of interesting.
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I do think this is a result.
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Uh, and you know, this is where you could like go tit for tat with like Uvalde as like a counterexample if you want to be devil's advocate.
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But I do think this is a result of the way policing is done in other countries versus the US.
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The US is actually pretty unique when it comes to policing, and that the police are agents of uh local governments first before you know racketing up into like state government and then federal government.
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So like a our federal policing organization in the US, you would call you say is the FBI or perhaps the ATF uh DE DEA.
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Like Marshalls.
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Marshalls, even yeah.
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Those are federal police officers, federal law enforcement, actually, right?
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We don't call them police officers.
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But they they are not who we're expecting to show up to a mass shooting, right?
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Our expectation is that my local city police, which are sheriff department, um Which are people belonging to my community.
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And live in the community.
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And live in the community will arrive.
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And they want to protect the community.
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They're vested in it.
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Maybe you have a state trooper showing up to uh an incident like this and acting.
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And he might not be from your community, but he's a state trooper and he lives in your state, and he might live within, you know, 40, 50 miles of you.
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But I don't think anyone in America really has this expectation of like the FBI showing up to save you if there's an assault or something happening, right?
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The policing and uh I would say the nations of the crown.
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So we see like New Zealand, England, Australia.