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When discussing the Jeffrey Epstein case, a palpable frustration emerges over what appears to be systemic protection of powerful figures at the expense of victims. The hosts articulate what many Americans feel—a growing disillusionment with institutions that seem increasingly unwilling to pursue justice when it might implicate the elite. This isn't merely conspiracy theorizing but a reasonable response to official narratives that continuously shift and contradict established facts.

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01:36 - Episode Introduction

10:08 - The Dog Days: Historical Origins Explained

16:23 - Stephen King's "The Stand" Deep Dive

27:14 - Epstein Files and Government Secrecy

42:33 - Disappointments in Current Administration

01:03:32 - Housing Market Inflation and Wage Gap

01:18:04 - Final Thoughts on Administration Promises

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Welcome to the Make it Pat Show.

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I'm Mick.

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I'm Pat.

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Yeah, pat's turning on our air conditioning in the studio here.

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It's a hot one, it is.

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It's toasty.

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It's probably the hottest it's been all summer today.

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Yeah.

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So if the sound quality, if all of a sudden it's like man that got bad, if we go long, I might be occasionally running that AC in the background.

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Well, also, I just don't care if there's background sound like like I just don't care if, like, there's background sound like I don't care.

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You know, people have heard our dog, my dog in the back and stuff right our dog.

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We're married pat and I actually got a dog together.

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We're married gay couple um can you be a married same-sex couple and not be gay?

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yes, are you kidding me?

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You asked that question in today's day and age, I know there's so many options I could be a transgender heterosexual there's so many ways to that still identifies as male there's so many ways to skin the pickle.

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We could be whatever we want, honestly and I'm not even saying that to like be instigating or insulting I'm just saying, like the paperwork is there, right, um, anywho, uh, it's been.

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I think it's been not that hot of a summer.

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I think it's been a wet summer.

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I think it's been more humid and wet out here in the in the wild.

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Uh, like what would we say?

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I guess we're technically still the west, east of the west, yeah, but yeah, here in colorado it's been rain every afternoon, I feel like, but not nearly as hot as last.

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I felt like last summer was way more days over 100.

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Yeah, like cooking hot are we in the dog days.

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Yet, though, is it gonna.

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Oh, you know, it's interesting, you say dog days.

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This is a tangent I wasn't expecting to talk about this.

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I'm listening to a really good book right now called the stand by.

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Stephen King and it's just like Stephen King's magnum opus.

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It's like 49 hours long and in it there's this like 16, 17 year old kid who just knows a crap load about everything.

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But anyways, the dog days was way more known back in the day of what it meant, but do you know what it means?

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I don was way more known back in the day of what it meant, but do you know what it means?

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I don't.

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You've never.

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How many when have you heard it used for?

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what time frame.

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I've heard it in song old songs.

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There's an old song like from like florence, the machine's not old, okay, no, it's, that's not, that's like a 10 year old song, that's.

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It's like I've heard it in an older song too, okay, and then I just heard it, like I don't know, used colloquially.

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What would you guess?

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that it means, and it's really like I'm not trying to trap you, but I think everyone has a perspective of what it means, based off of, like you know, florence and the.

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Machine's lyrics of the dog days are over and it's about like some Girl running out, running away from her problems or whatever.

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Leaving the bad guy.

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Yeah, I have no idea why.

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I just always pictured a dog just sweating.

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Just hot Dogs don't sweat, you know.

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Wishing it could, wishing it could sweat, yeah, you know.

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No, so you just so.

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If you were to put a definition to what dog days are, you would say it's the days when it's so hot.

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A dog just sweating that's that would be, because otherwise I've never thought about it.

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I just I know what it is.

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Yeah, I know when it's, I think, a lot of people don't know what it is.

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A lot of people think it also means like the bad days.

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The bad times, like when you're down on your luck or you're in a rut, but the dog days.

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But the dog days were referred to like the ending of July into end of September, where it was most common every year around that time for rabid dogs to be an issue and it was like clockwork every year, the dogs that were stray off of farms or towns or whatever.

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Uh, that's when you would see the more like increased rabid dogs come, kind of coming around and stuff as like it started like cooling from the peak heat, but the p, the heat, would also drive them deranged.

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So it's like you know you reach that peak heat of summer and then you're going into fall and it's that that like climax and then descent that has the rabid dogs show up.

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And that's what dog days means.

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The dog days was that that time period of rabid dogs, which we kind of just don't have that anymore, because we just have a rabies vaccine that we can just give out to most dogs and there's not nearly as many like rural countryside packs of dogs roaming around so, anyways, I learned that from the stand which, by the way, pat do I need to read it, you need to read it.

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I need a break from my french literature it's uh, it's stephen king.

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And stephen king I thought, from like the few things I've read of his like short stories and a couple books I've always thought he's pretty decent, he's pretty good.

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But dude, this is a great book Like this is very well written and it's it's gosh.

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I would say.

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It was 10 hours into the book before the antagonist got introduced and everything leading up to that was like just amazing character and scenario development.

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But let me let me pitch it to you.

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Do you know the stand?

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Have you heard of it?

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I haven't I haven't a lot of people are familiar with it because it was a mini series in the 90s on tv.

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And then they did another like reboot of it that flopped really hard.

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It was made for cable television sorry, not cable.

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It was made for like abc, like a modern audience on abc or whatever or cbs, and uh, they just toned it down so much that like it was boring as heck.

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Yeah, well, you realize, an apocalypse story about the devil incarnate versus a uh, not mess science, not a messiah, but the almost like the john the baptist.

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It's like john the baptist versus like satan, almost, and it's like grand abstraction and you realize, without violence and gore and you know all that stuff that would not make it on like normal day television, just very boring, yeah, because it's just a lot of dialogue.

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But anyways, the book is really good.

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It takes place.

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The one I'm reading is the uncut version of the book which he republished in the 90s because he originally published it in the 70s but they just didn't have actual book binding that could bind a book as big as that and sell it for profit like mass produced.

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So you got to cut out 400 pages so that way we can afford to sell it at $14.99, and it only costs like $3 to make.

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And so King cut it out and then he added those 400 pages mostly back in for the uncut version, when he had big money and he could force a publisher to just publish it because he's stephen king and it's gonna sell yeah so, anyways, it takes place in the 90s, this version.

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If you read the earlier version or listen to it, it takes place in the 70s, but a virus escapes.

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It's a flu virus that kills 99.7 percent of the human population.

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Wow, and it does it.

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That almost happened to us.

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Not really, though.

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No, you mean 99.7 percent of the population was fine, that's what you mean, oh yeah, um, no, but um, this, uh, the virus goes and spreads and all that and that's probably one of the most like, inherently fascinating parts of the book Well-written parts is like there's a point where you just are going from person that gets introduced name, background, who they are and you're like, oh, this might be another main character.

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And then you realize you're listening to a chapter where it's just the virus spreading from them to the next person introduced, to the next person introduced, spreading from them to the next person introduced to the next person introduced, and he realized all his people are dead and all the kids in the car with them on their family road trip are dead and all the people they encountered at the business conference are going to die.

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And, um, anyways, this flu virus incubates and kills pretty quick, leaving 0.3 percent of the world left alive.

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And, uh, the survivors after that start having these dreams and they're dreaming about Mother Abigail.

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Mother Abigail on the farm and she's the oldest woman living in America.

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And she's this sweet old black woman who can pick a guitar.

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She's certified from her birth certificate 125 years old, and Reagan sent her a letter certifying she was the oldest living American at one point.

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And for some reason God has given her the ability to see some of these people in her dreams.

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And then God gives everybody dreams of her and she says you come, find me now out here in nebraska at hemmingford home.

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And so everyone's receiving this dream.

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But then everyone's also receiving the dream from the dark man.

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The dark man in their dream is a man with no face.

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He smiles wide.

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Sometimes he comes as like a manifestation of, like a shadow in cornfield, or like a giant red uh, they say eye like weasel eyes, like just a jet black, reflective red eye and the light.

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And he also is calling to people to come to him um, and he's calling for them to come to him in nevada, into into las vegas and eventually it gets to like a boulder colorado, where they're.

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They got like the free zone in boulder colorado with mother abigail and the, the main characters of the book, and then there's uh, the antagonist, in las vegas building his forces and it's like you realize it goes from like post-apocalypse flu epidemic how are we going to survive and rebuild?

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To like, oh my gosh, like I guess it is a lot easier for Christ to come the second time and everyone, everyone on earth to see him.

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If you know, there's not that many people left on earth.

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And I'm not saying like I don't know how it ends right, I don't know if Christ, I don't think there is a messianic birth.

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I think it's alluded to that there could be someone who's carrying the messiah um, but it's very clear like randall flag is painted to be the, the incarnation of lucifer, or at least the version of an antichrist on earth.

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Um, and there's a lot of spiritual warfare.

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That's very like well written in it.

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Like stephen king doesn't just poop on christianity, like all the characters are very well written and mother abigail is not like a cringy, like southern god-fearing woman like it's very authentic and there's a lot of characters who are just like even you know, just as it would say in this in the bible like they see visions, they see things manifest in front of them and miracles, and they're like I don't believe.

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And mother Abigail always says to them I was like, well, you don't believe in God, but God believes in you, cause like he's shown me you and he's told me you got purpose here and it's like really good stuff like that where you know characters go on journeys, but it's really fascinating.

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I really enjoy it.

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It it's really fascinating, I really enjoy it.

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I'm over halfway through and, uh, the best part of the book is just like the, the character building, slice of life, conversations and dialogue and like how people are coping with like, okay, the beginning of the summer, in june the world ended, it's now entering into september and, uh, we're all coming to terms with there is legit going to be a showdown between good versus evil.

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It follows a bunch of people as they cross the country.

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It's pretty good.

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It's pretty good.

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Any thoughts on that, do you?

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feel like that sounds dumb.

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No, I'm going to read it, I'm going to listen to it.

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It's a great use of your credit on Audible.

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It looks like they tried to do it in 2020, a miniseries on it, yeah it sucked.

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I bet it was bad.

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It was also something that they were like let's roll out in 2020 during the flu epidemic, the covid epidemic, and it turns out like, even with like people tuning in to watch it because they're like, oh gosh, covid, like and this is, like you know, sensational material during covid, everyone was so disappointed.

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Everyone's like dude.

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This sucks.

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It's so boring and the original miniseries holds up really well.

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But they're making a movie.

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It was announced.

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Really, I didn't know.

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It was announced Like two days ago oh wow, that's timely.

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Yeah, or maybe two weeks ago, whatever, it just happened.

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So we'll see what they do.

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A lot of people are like you have to make it into three movies if you want it to be good.

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I feel like it's way too big for one movie.

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It's not Lord of the Rings big across those three books, but it is way bigger than I think a three-hour movie could do justice.

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I think that'll be good.

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I'm going to listen to it.

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I'm going to listen to it, see how it goes, and I'm going to watch the movie be disappointed, as we do when we watch movies of books we like.

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But maybe I won't be disappointed because I know what I'm getting into and I could use a break from my—I'm just about to wrap up Les Mis.

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I've been on the grind of the French literature and I need to— you have been for like months.

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I need a break, it's all—I don't even know any characters names anymore.

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It's just yeah, it's all.

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Just Coruscant, Monsu, Coruscant.

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Oui, monsu Coruscant.

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My wife has been Listening to a bunch of the.

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What is it Billy Jeans Gonna be mad that I can't remember?

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It's the detective that, the french detective, who solves, like you know, the death on the nile and the murder on the orient express.

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Yeah, the pink panther.

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No, not the pink panther okay, never mind um.

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Who is that um?

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it's a french guy, it's so french.

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His name is obtusely French and hard to pronounce.

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Oh, I don't know.

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I guess if you say it I might know it, but I have no idea.

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Agatha Christie's the author, which her name doesn't sound that French.

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The hermit.

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Hercule Poirot.

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Huh yeah, detective Hercule Poirotot didn't know about that one, but but uh, this is a cool thing.

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My wife got like not agatha chrissy's entire entire uh encyclopedia of work for one credit, but a bunch of it oh wow.

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So she's just got like eight or nine of her crime books to listen to.

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I did the same thing for Dostoevsky, fyodor Dostoevsky, and I just got all of his books in one Audible credit and it opens with the banger, opens up with the Brothers Kasmanov Wow, which do you know what that one is?

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Have you heard of it?

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I don't know about it.

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It seems like the Russian version almost of East of Eden, Like brothers all coming together in the death of their father and the anger of inheritance and the suspicion of murder.

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It's very family drama based.

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It seems like it's tragic though, because the book opens up with like a preface from the narrator and the hero main character of the book, uh, was named after uh dostoevsky's son, who had died of like the flu or something at like 13.

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And so it was kind of like a book commemorating his son's uh very optimistic and heroic young man behavior.

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But anyways, I'm, if you guys want like good use of your credits, go out and like grab those big things where they're like 230 hours long for a single 15 credit.

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You'll be good and cooking for a while yep, those are the nice ones.

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You get all those go.

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It gives you a.

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It's kind of I like to read through like the same author's stuff a few times.

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There's a little bit about what's going on.

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Yeah, but I did read crime and punishment in high school.

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I do not remember it I heard that was a good one too, because it's like isn't it like something someone framed for murder or something in it and it's like he's on trial and it's the subject of like a isn't?

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Isn't that book all about?

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Like it's better for one man to be sentenced and executed, better for one innocent man to be sentenced and executed than a thousand guilty men to be let off.

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I can't remember.

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I remember it was like the inverse perspective of like the american judicial system and, honestly, like I really I don't remember.

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Yeah, I mean, I read it, but maybe I didn't, maybe I was assigned it, I remember.

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I was reading Milkweed when a friend was reading Crime and Punishment and I saw Milkweed and how thick it was, which was like I don't know, it's like a 230-page book, I think.

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And then I saw Crime and Punishment.

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I'm like why would you ever pick that as your book?

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I'm out, you dummy yeah dummy.

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Yeah the um, so yeah, but I'm, I think, yeah, after this I'm gonna do uh the uh, russian, the russian books.

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Next, maybe some nichi doskiesi.

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Let's see, I got started with a v.

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Oh dostovesky, you're talking about that?

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No, there there's another guy.

00:17:40.138 --> 00:17:42.102
Vladimir.

00:17:42.403 --> 00:17:46.028
Victor, I think Tolstoy is Tolstoy Russian.

00:17:46.028 --> 00:17:49.281
No, he's not Eastern European.

00:17:49.281 --> 00:17:54.557
Yeah, but you know, I'm just trying to educate myself.

00:17:54.557 --> 00:18:00.228
I think some of the books like Crime and Punishment and stuff that in high school I was totally uninterested in, yeah, and rightly so.

00:18:00.228 --> 00:18:00.848
Rightly so.

00:18:03.015 --> 00:18:17.296
Because I don't think I could comprehend those, and I'll say, like there's a few things I've read now that I comprehend and appreciate way more than I did in high school, when I was like forced to like read them at home and I'm like dude, please like.

00:18:17.296 --> 00:18:21.096
The last thing I want to say here is read this book that someone's telling me I have to read.

00:18:21.096 --> 00:18:23.443
I have no interest in like when.

00:18:23.443 --> 00:18:31.521
When you come to a book and you have an already inherent interest in it, it's far more engaging and investing than like it being an assignment.

00:18:34.146 --> 00:18:36.250
Yeah, definitely so I do.

00:18:36.250 --> 00:18:38.563
I need a break break from the French stuff.

00:18:38.563 --> 00:18:46.563
So I guess I'll just listen to a long, epic tale of darkness of humanity through the eyes of Stephen King.

00:18:46.563 --> 00:18:51.240
But also sounds like there's a lot of you know, light in there.

00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:52.605
Gotta get your fight on.

00:18:52.605 --> 00:18:54.900
So we'll see at the.

00:18:54.900 --> 00:18:56.661
Uh, I was trying to find when the movie's coming out.

00:18:56.661 --> 00:18:57.817
I don't think they know yet.

00:18:58.018 --> 00:18:58.840
Yeah, I don't think so either.

00:18:58.840 --> 00:18:59.462
I was looking it up.

00:18:59.462 --> 00:19:03.576
They will, we'll see.

00:19:03.576 --> 00:19:15.644
But I will say for anyone who was listening and cares, the stand does has have depictions of like some pretty I mean there's graphic depictions of people dying from illness, people being murdered.

00:19:15.644 --> 00:19:23.613
Uh, there is like some sexual language or description that comes out of like left field.

00:19:23.613 --> 00:19:29.067
Sometimes you're like, oh, I guess I mean this just could be this person's thoughts, kind of weird.

00:19:29.067 --> 00:19:33.164
I don't think I needed to know that was their thoughts or how they're viewing someone else.

00:19:33.164 --> 00:19:40.957
And then there is a couple like sex scenes that are like easily skippable if you just want to fast forward it and are interested.

00:19:41.057 --> 00:20:02.483
I just always fast through because I feel weird listening to that stuff when I'm like walking my dog, yeah just like I always, for some reason and I don't think this is a bad thing for some reason, whenever I, whatever I um like hear a sex scene being narrated in a book, I just think of that scene from the office where, like, they catch meredith listening to.

00:20:02.483 --> 00:20:05.657
Um, not meredith, uh, what's her name?

00:20:05.657 --> 00:20:06.619
I can't remember.

00:20:06.641 --> 00:20:16.638
Uh, angela, no, not angela, the bigger, heavier woman oh, oh, my gosh, I'm forgetting, uh, what's her name?

00:20:17.038 --> 00:20:17.359
what's her?

00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:24.608
Name uh, she's married to bob vance yeah, I got bob vance refrigeration.

00:20:24.608 --> 00:20:27.438
Yeah um it's an old lady name, anyways.

00:20:27.438 --> 00:20:35.722
Uh, she's listening to it and they catch her because she's making weird sounds of faces and starting to sweat and they're like what are you doing, ed?

00:20:35.742 --> 00:20:42.561
uh, they phyllis phyllis, yeah, and then andy confiscates it from her and he's listening to it later in his office.

00:20:42.561 --> 00:20:53.906
He's going like because he's the boss at this point and his eyes are closed, and he's like, oh, and then dwight dumps water out of him like get it out, get it over, and stuff.

00:20:53.906 --> 00:20:55.109
So funny.

00:20:55.109 --> 00:21:04.096
And now I just always think of that scene and I just I'm like I don't want to be andy getting caught listening to this weird stuff by anybody.

00:21:04.096 --> 00:21:05.999
Yeah, so I just skipped through it.

00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:13.878
Um, there's also, I'm pretty sure, a single rape scene that I've fast forwarded past.

00:21:13.878 --> 00:21:20.994
It was just to the point where I was like I'm pretty sure this person is about to get raped and I just skipped through it and it was done in like two skips or whatever.

00:21:20.994 --> 00:21:39.189
So, anyways, all I said, it's not like super visceral, graphic or like excessive, but it is like, hey, this happens in a world where there's no longer law and order, like there's sometimes bad people who are also immune to the virus and survive, and you're gonna have to deal with those bad people yep, man.

00:21:40.491 --> 00:21:52.557
Well, speaking of of that stuff, I mean, there's a lot of people mad right now no, yeah, speaking of, uh, speaking of people mad about a sexual predator getting off scot-free, kind of diddy.

00:21:52.557 --> 00:21:58.386
Well did he did get up, oh did he but yeah, did he?

00:21:58.386 --> 00:22:00.375
Yeah, that is frustrating, that did he?

00:22:00.375 --> 00:22:03.244
Got off scot-free, basically charged on one thing.

00:22:03.244 --> 00:22:14.042
That one, to me, though, is a little bit more clear of why he got cut off because they tried to get him with the racketeering thing that they go after all the mobsters with.

00:22:15.356 --> 00:22:16.098
Yeah, the.

00:22:16.479 --> 00:22:19.727
Not FOIA, it's another acronym RICO.

00:22:19.987 --> 00:22:20.268
RICO.

00:22:20.268 --> 00:22:23.516
Racketeering something something and it's like.

00:22:23.516 --> 00:22:38.646
It's kind of like when some political party brings a bill and they just want to stack it all in there, yeah, hey, this can shut down if you put it on there, but some of the stuff he did, he is getting sentenced in October.

00:22:38.994 --> 00:22:40.161
Yeah, but it's weak man.

00:22:40.161 --> 00:22:43.904
He only got found convicted on like some weak charges of like.

00:22:43.904 --> 00:22:44.807
What was it?

00:22:47.582 --> 00:22:49.467
It was like transporting a prostitute.

00:22:49.467 --> 00:22:53.083
Whatever he could get up to like probably 25 years, though I thought.

00:22:53.163 --> 00:22:55.127
Oh really, maximum sentencing.

00:22:55.127 --> 00:22:58.244
I thought it went down to like time served basically.

00:22:58.575 --> 00:23:00.321
Well, I think that's max, that's the thing too.

00:23:00.321 --> 00:23:02.855
Served basically.

00:23:02.855 --> 00:23:04.019
Well, I think that's max, that's the thing too like.

00:23:04.019 --> 00:23:04.701
Yeah, you know you can get.

00:23:04.701 --> 00:23:13.496
You can get 10 years in prison for like and carrying around an unauthorized weapon, or ten thousand dollars up to yeah, yeah, you're probably not going like so you're probably not gonna or whatever.

00:23:13.576 --> 00:23:17.077
But um, so, but no, not him.

00:23:17.077 --> 00:23:23.403
The uh, the big guy, the big dead guy, old Epstein is living on through.

00:23:23.403 --> 00:23:36.212
You know the continued lack of information coming out that's been promised to the people.

00:23:36.212 --> 00:23:45.355
Stuff that people was part of what they ran on politically to be able to, you know, get elected was part of what they ran on politically to be able to, you know, get elected.

00:23:45.355 --> 00:23:56.548
And so this last week, the stuff that Trump said and that other people in his cabinet and you know, some of the FBI director, other people saying that this list doesn't exist, maybe never did.

00:23:57.189 --> 00:23:57.930
Which is crazy.

00:23:57.930 --> 00:24:00.234
I mean, it's a total gaslighting man.

00:24:00.234 --> 00:24:10.078
You can't say it doesn't exist after at least dozens of people, maybe hundreds I've seen it and said, like I've seen the list trump's on it, I've seen the list, biden's on it, I've seen the list.

00:24:10.078 --> 00:24:17.805
Here are the people who were listed on it and referenced in it, and it's just like, okay, like, and now it's like there is no list.

00:24:17.805 --> 00:24:20.278
Oh, by the way, there's not just no list.

00:24:20.278 --> 00:24:23.175
Uh, there's no one else in the video footage we've looked at.

00:24:23.175 --> 00:24:27.546
It's just, it's just epstein and these kiddos, no one else, just them.

00:24:27.546 --> 00:24:30.419
I'm just like, dude, this is a travesty.

00:24:30.419 --> 00:24:31.521
I'm actually this is.

00:24:31.521 --> 00:24:35.973
This could make me not vote for anyone else in this.

00:24:36.134 --> 00:24:45.419
Admin ever again like it legitimately could like if it's not right and not corrected here soon, I could really see myself not voting for vance ever again.

00:24:45.419 --> 00:24:54.736
I could see myself not voting for certainly any of these dudes who are in director roles or deputy director roles for the fbi, if they ever decided to go political.

00:24:54.736 --> 00:25:02.159
Um, it's just pretty nasty and it feels it especially when trump dismissed it as like you're still talking about that guy.

00:25:02.159 --> 00:25:04.526
I was just like are you kidding me, dude?

00:25:04.526 --> 00:25:16.165
We're talking about the guy who ruined the lives and probably he's easily ruined the lives of thousands of children by trafficking them.

00:25:16.165 --> 00:25:18.555
He's likely murdered or is responsible for the murder of probably thousands of people.

00:25:18.555 --> 00:25:26.648
You know, either through like blackmail or through like just covering up getting rid of people who would have been a problem.

00:25:27.355 --> 00:25:32.196
And then his right hand, Maxwell, going to prison for she's what?

00:25:32.298 --> 00:25:34.763
25 years or 20 years for trafficking children?

00:25:34.963 --> 00:25:35.546
To nobody.

00:25:35.746 --> 00:25:36.347
Yeah, to nobody.

00:25:36.347 --> 00:25:39.744
She trafficked the kids, but it was from Epstein back to Epstein.

00:25:39.744 --> 00:25:41.223
It was never to anyone else.

00:25:41.223 --> 00:25:46.242
And I'm just like that makes no sense at all and we all know it makes no sense.

00:25:46.242 --> 00:26:01.724
And they're like just looking at us like we should just forget about it, like we're idiots, and while I might be an idiot, not that dumb, you know yes, as, as Stu Redman says in the stand, country don't mean dumb.

00:26:02.205 --> 00:26:12.750
Exactly, exactly, and so I think that I mean you know lots of conjecture on why what's going on.

00:26:12.750 --> 00:26:25.429
I think a big part of it is that, yeah, so many people and it's what everybody said so many people on both sides of the aisle are involved to the point where they're just not going to out themselves and out their people.

00:26:25.429 --> 00:26:32.925
The other piece being, I do believe it has a lot to do with our intelligence arm and other countries' intelligence arms.

00:26:32.925 --> 00:26:35.869
Other countries, multiple other countries.

00:26:36.817 --> 00:26:37.500
Other countries.

00:26:39.536 --> 00:26:45.515
And there's actually a really good podcast by Daryl Cooper, the Martyr Made podcast.

00:26:45.515 --> 00:27:21.744
He does an Epstein series and he kind of he breaks down all these it's hours and hours long where he really gets into lots of details, kind of like Epstein stuff, but alongside that like other trafficking rings and things like that over time and like big players over history who've been involved in it, and really gets into epstein's history also as well as lane maxwell's um history and her dad's history, um where he came from and um there's, you know, just the fact that epstein wasn't an anybody, he was a nobody.

00:27:23.346 --> 00:27:25.891
There's no evidence for where any of his money came from.

00:27:25.891 --> 00:27:27.096
He's literally nobody.

00:27:27.096 --> 00:27:37.546
His stock exchange stuff is like one day he had money to really put in to some hedge funds, but he didn't make that initial money from those funds.

00:27:38.497 --> 00:27:47.845
His money came out of thin air like and his money came out of thin air and the school he got his first job at, where he he wasn't even licensed like teacher ever got.

00:27:47.845 --> 00:27:52.298
He got a job there and the headmaster was oh, I forget his last name is comer.

00:27:52.858 --> 00:28:05.909
Which which guy um andrew comer or the other one, the, the dude who is running to be mayor of new york city, or the or was running no maybe I have the last name wrong, but it's an old guy, he's old, he's dead and gone.

00:28:06.115 --> 00:28:19.154
But he was the headmaster of the school and he had written a novel like a space sci-fi novel, basically, that had a lot of underage sex Underage is the wrong word.

00:28:19.154 --> 00:28:20.913
It had pedophilia.

00:28:20.913 --> 00:28:33.705
It had stuff in there and it had a lot of pet, it had pedophilia, had stuff in there and it had, um you know, a lot of gross stuff and he was the one who first master was donald bar bar.

00:28:33.726 --> 00:28:35.530
Yep, so look up, his son wasn't, isn't donald bar also giz?

00:28:35.550 --> 00:28:35.770
lane's dad.

00:28:35.770 --> 00:28:36.393
No, his name.

00:28:36.393 --> 00:28:37.556
He changed his name.

00:28:37.556 --> 00:28:43.815
He was originally from europe and he um during the zionist movement came over relations.

00:28:44.155 --> 00:28:45.398
Yeah, space primitive man?

00:28:45.460 --> 00:28:48.997
yeah, was the book written by a guy who's in charge of a school, philip pedophilia?

00:28:48.997 --> 00:28:50.760
Uh, maxwell's dad.

00:28:50.760 --> 00:28:54.348
He came from, uh, eastern europe, or did he come from britain?

00:28:54.348 --> 00:28:55.836
He's, uh, jewish.

00:28:55.836 --> 00:29:03.940
He came over through zion with the zionist movement and changed his name and was most likely linked to Mossad and some other things.

00:29:03.940 --> 00:29:17.483
And then, but for the, his headmaster guy, for bar, he really is kind of where you see, wall Epstein was under him for a while and then he leaves and then all of a sudden Epstein's careers kind of explodes.

00:29:17.483 --> 00:29:20.140
And then who's bar son?

00:29:20.140 --> 00:29:24.209
Bar son was a big dog in politics.

00:29:24.209 --> 00:29:25.983
He was like the director of.

00:29:26.124 --> 00:29:26.728
William Barr.

00:29:26.929 --> 00:29:27.531
William Barr.

00:29:27.531 --> 00:29:31.045
Yeah, and he was the one who Stephen Barr as well.

00:29:31.045 --> 00:29:35.061
Oh, what was his job?

00:29:36.438 --> 00:29:42.442
He served as 77th US Attorney General for George Bush and 85th US Attorney General for Donald Trump.

00:29:42.442 --> 00:29:45.261
Yeah, he was Attorney General and he'd get up there and lie about stuff.

00:29:46.035 --> 00:29:51.788
So, anyways, these guys, now high society elites, are all tied together anyways.

00:29:51.788 --> 00:29:58.882
Whether they're good or bad people, whatever it is, they know each other, their kids go to school together, whatever.

00:29:58.882 --> 00:30:04.086
But the Martyr Made podcast really draws some.

00:30:04.086 --> 00:30:15.507
It just takes a really good history lesson and pulls you through kind of everything that happened, but the yeah, I think a lot of people are let down, a lot of people are upset.

00:30:16.476 --> 00:30:25.526
It's like it was something that was kind of promised and ran on, that we would have, you know some, something that would be released.

00:30:25.526 --> 00:30:27.750
Much less like the whole thing would be released.

00:30:27.750 --> 00:30:36.500
And so I think it has to do with the fact that it's it's non-party related, it's elite related and it is.

00:30:36.500 --> 00:30:39.366
I think it does have to do with our intelligence agencies.

00:30:39.366 --> 00:30:44.748
I mean, like, and that's how, that's how intelligence agencies run.

00:30:44.748 --> 00:31:01.875
Like you know, you deal with people in big power, you deal with gross stuff, you deal with blackmail, lie all the time, lying and deceit and these things, and so to put pressure on people and to put pressure on, you know, people who run big companies or have big influence, and so that's just what it is.

00:31:01.875 --> 00:31:05.519
You know people who run big companies or have big influence, and so that's just what it is, you know yeah, no, I agree, and it's.

00:31:06.020 --> 00:31:14.326
It's super sad and disheartening because I don't think it leaves any room for faith in the government to look after you like.

00:31:14.326 --> 00:31:25.494
This pretty much just says like oh, if the government's not going to seek justice for children who were trafficked and raped by you know like an insane magnitude.

00:31:25.494 --> 00:31:32.137
I mean, we're talking thousands of people who cross paths with epstein and like worked on his island and you know, his.

00:31:32.818 --> 00:31:33.580
He knew everybody.

00:31:33.580 --> 00:31:47.375
It seems like, um, and if they're not going to seek justice for those people who were victims of that, you know the most heinous thing on earth, uh, I don't think anyone has faith in them, doing anything right by them and getting justice for anything else.

00:31:47.375 --> 00:31:56.760
You know what I mean, um, because, like you, you you're supposed to think like and have the faith in the judicial part of your government.

00:31:56.760 --> 00:32:09.205
Um, you're supposed to have the faith in them that it doesn't matter how expensive and inconvenient and how little there is to be gained in doing the right thing.

00:32:09.205 --> 00:32:18.375
The judicial arm of the government is supposed to judge and prosecute and pursue those who have broken the law and to see that it doesn't do it.

00:32:18.375 --> 00:32:23.964
If there's nothing to be gained which the truth is, is like, what is there to be gained other other than like?

00:32:23.964 --> 00:32:28.662
If we talk about this objectively, like what is there to be gained other than people's approval?

00:32:28.662 --> 00:32:32.532
Well, you lose, like there is nothing, like.

00:32:32.532 --> 00:32:49.853
You get the approval and trust of the people, but you lose all of those people and assets that now you have dirt on and have information of blackmail on that now you can use epstein's black book of you know blackmail against them, right like it's.

00:32:49.873 --> 00:32:59.339
Like epstein kept all these people doing whatever he wanted and giving him money and you know, he catered and probably blackmailed all these people for decades.

00:32:59.339 --> 00:33:01.685
And now, all of a sudden, it's in our hands.

00:33:01.685 --> 00:33:15.339
We can use it too, because why would we prosecute I don't know schmil, schmil gates, why would we prosecute him when we could just put our thumb on him and own him?

00:33:15.339 --> 00:33:16.863
You know what I mean?

00:33:16.863 --> 00:33:24.105
Um, that's, that's the way I see it and I get like if anyone feels like this is conspiracy stuff, great, who cares?

00:33:24.105 --> 00:33:29.538
Like I don't, like you can take it to the bank At this point.

00:33:29.598 --> 00:33:33.063
It just seems like it doesn't seem conspiratorial at all to me.

00:33:33.063 --> 00:33:44.117
It just seems like them's the stakes there bud, them's how the dice roll out, and it does feel like I was let on pretty hard, and I think that's what a lot of people feel like.

00:33:44.117 --> 00:34:03.855
A lot of people feel like, damn, we really thought we get this fresh blood in there, dudes who aren't career politicians, that they would do the right thing and under like know what to do, and then now cash patel gets in there, rolls over immediately like a dog for a treat or I don't know, maybe not a dog for a treat.

00:34:03.855 --> 00:34:13.405
Maybe he is sitting doe-eyed, terrified, like a deer in the headlights, praying that they don't hit him and praying that he's going to be spared.

00:34:13.405 --> 00:34:18.157
He really honestly like and I know we're talking offline about this, but like dan bogeen, how do?

00:34:18.318 --> 00:34:19.318
you say it on gino.

00:34:19.398 --> 00:34:21.501
Bongino, dan Bongino and Cash Patel.

00:34:21.501 --> 00:34:36.838
Both were such big talkers, enthusiastic, passionate about, you know, getting into the Epstein files and all the information they've heard on it and their sources, before they got into the FBI and now as director and deputy director.

00:34:36.838 --> 00:34:45.137
They don't look like they've exhaled in weeks, like they look to me like they're still holding their breath.

00:34:45.137 --> 00:34:46.719
Their eyes are bloodshot.

00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:55.485
Dude dan looks like he is on the verge of crying or exploding and screaming and yelling um and for him to do stew like uh.

00:34:55.485 --> 00:35:04.545
I was never a big follower of him but like I've seen the you know episodes of his podcast where he was talking about like or clips of it where he's talking about how, like Epstein did not kill himself.

00:35:04.625 --> 00:35:05.387
There's no way.

00:35:05.387 --> 00:35:07.159
And like here's the reason why.

00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:15.474
Yada, yada, yada, and we have it, like from Epstein's friend who told, like Epstein said hey, man, just know, I'm not suicidal, I don't plan to kill myself.

00:35:15.474 --> 00:35:19.739
Like I'll win this in court, and I think it was Epstein's brother who said that actually.

00:35:19.739 --> 00:35:27.965
And then all of a sudden he's in there and he's holding his breath, holding a turd in trying not to poop his pants, and he's at the camera.

00:35:27.965 --> 00:35:29.567
He's like he committed suicide.

00:35:29.567 --> 00:35:31.208
He committed suicide.

00:35:31.208 --> 00:35:33.210
No one killed him, he killed himself.

00:35:33.210 --> 00:35:35.351
And it's just like he's not.

00:35:35.351 --> 00:35:36.592
I'm like waiting, I'm watching.

00:35:36.592 --> 00:35:39.076
I'm like when's he going to exhale?

00:35:39.076 --> 00:35:40.597
He'll be like oh okay, I said it.

00:35:40.597 --> 00:35:44.059
Now will you let my family go, now will you stop blackmailing me?

00:35:44.059 --> 00:35:44.681
I don't know.

00:35:44.681 --> 00:35:46.682
Actually, I say I don't know.

00:35:46.682 --> 00:35:47.563
I do know.

00:35:47.563 --> 00:35:54.710
I know that these dudes got freaking, picked over, because that's the total 180 of their body language and everything right.

00:35:54.911 --> 00:35:56.472
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they're not.

00:36:06.460 --> 00:36:09.465
That would show that they're not just like fake actors not saying they're not lying, but just like if it was.

00:36:09.485 --> 00:36:28.817
If it was, you think they're trying to blink at us, no meaning, like some guy, help me yeah you know I can't tell you exactly where it's like, but there's some guys charismatic and pull the wool over your eyes, whatever when everything he does versus somebody who, like, is charismatic and speaking this certain way and then is not that way when they're not anymore like in this other, not after.

00:36:28.836 --> 00:36:33.108
They got shown just the amount of lizards that live among us.

00:36:33.108 --> 00:36:36.463
They honestly do look like it was crazy.

00:36:36.463 --> 00:36:40.603
I just thought it was funny outside of this whole scenario or situation.

00:36:40.603 --> 00:36:49.956
But I did see like a before and after of like kash patel before he got sworn in to be director of the fbi and like it was like a month later.

00:36:49.956 --> 00:36:56.650
And bro, that guy looks like he aged 20 years, maybe not 20.

00:36:56.650 --> 00:37:02.505
He looks like he aged probably five years and put on 10, 15 pounds of just stress.

00:37:02.505 --> 00:37:03.106
You know what I mean.

00:37:03.106 --> 00:37:07.407
I'm sure it's a lot of smoking and eating and sitting, you know what I mean.

00:37:08.436 --> 00:37:11.983
Not having a lot of time to go and exercise and get some fresh air.

00:37:13.005 --> 00:37:18.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you see that with all guys, everybody goes into politics, they all get old fast.

00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:23.538
Yeah, I remember Obama was the biggest one, starkest change you could see.

00:37:23.538 --> 00:37:30.501
See him just age and like before he was president and then after his first term and he's like he literally looked like 15, 20 years older.

00:37:30.501 --> 00:37:34.793
Um, anyways, all that's pretty frustrating.

00:37:34.793 --> 00:37:43.835
Also, you know the whole shit with the big beautiful bill and the only thing that I actually cared about that was in that bill.

00:37:43.835 --> 00:37:46.643
Um, I mean, the tax breaks are nice.

00:37:46.643 --> 00:38:09.297
Still, like, maintaining those tax breaks from his first admin are nice because otherwise we were about to like, as soon as those expired, we're about to get taxed out of the wazoo, especially for small business, and a lot of people just don't care because a lot of people don't understand tax law and policy and how, like you know, you can have, uh, tax exemptions and policies and tax rates expire after a certain amount of time.

00:38:09.297 --> 00:38:10.259
Like they're not laws.

00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:10.659
Um.

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