Speaker 1:
0:48

You, you having a mango chainsaw.

Speaker 2:
0:51

Yep, the mango, we're gonna have another armless Palmer.

Speaker 1:
0:55

Homeless, armless Palmer. I just had to already today, not from here, but Steve, oh, it's on the big-time liquid death kick. It's cuz he's sober, sober. Yeah, someone else is really into Thanos Josh Brolin.

Speaker 1:
1:14

Oh yeah he originally was gonna do a partnership with them and their marketing guy kind of Drop the ball, I guess, and get it back to him or something. He did like a whole interview on Tony Hawks podcast about it and it was pretty cool cuz. Mm-hmm, it was like before liquid death was a thing they're like yeah, so we know Josh Brolin used to skate hard. Oh yeah, and he's also just kind of a badass in like all these movies in general.

Speaker 1:
1:37

Yeah, and I guess, like you know, I get like a lot of people don't know Josh Brolin's kind of like a California punk skater guy.

Speaker 2:
1:44

Hmm, right, which is weird cuz.

Speaker 1:
1:45

You don't never see him in a role like that, right?

Speaker 1:
1:48

You see him in Sicario, right, and he's even no country for old men exactly, but yeah, yeah, he was originally gonna do a sponsor thing with them and maybe they reached back out and did it again, I don't know, but anyways, that's a big miss. I think, yeah, dude, like that Would have had me drinking a lot earlier. Oh yeah, I like definitely think Josh Brolin has become like maybe our generations. Like don't get me wrong, I know it might seem like an unfair comparison, but I think he might be coming like our generations, kind of like not Arnold maybe, but like Stallone, or like Kurt Russell, mm-hmm, like he's just pretty badass.

Speaker 2:
2:29

Tommy Lee Jones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's kind of becoming our Tommy Lee Jones, I think you know yeah.

Speaker 1:
2:34

Cuz I think he's gonna have a ton of roles that Tommy Lee Jones does now when he's like 70, 80, you know what?

Speaker 2:
2:42

I mean, which did he play? Tommy Lee Jones character in Men in Black 3?

Speaker 1:
2:46

When they go back in time he did, and he did it really well and he like, learned how to mimic Tommy Lee Jones bannerisms. But anyways, excuse me, hardy on, I need to get this Arnold. No, sorry, for copyright reasons, I got to make sure not to say that because they're not allowed to call that. That called that in some states. I'm gonna have this liquid death armless Palmer. Hmm, just pretty metal. I just like that as a name.

Speaker 2:
3:11

I got some pretty metal play on the name, definitely is definitely is, and it still just feels like we're drinking tall boys. It's hilarious, it does bro?

Speaker 1:
3:20

Welcome, to make it pass. Oh, I'm Mick. I'm sitting down here with Pat who's just burping into the mic, and, yeah, we're happy to be here with you all. No guests this week, you know, just figured to make it a classic, just the two of us hanging talking about some of stuff under the Sun. Dude, I just want to say too, because you know, I know your dad lists is the podcast every once in a while and all that, but mm-hmm, just always enjoyed talking with that guy and we got to catch up a couple weekends ago at a church and he's a cool dude and had that interesting chat about what will be our generation's beanie babies.

Speaker 2:
4:00

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:
4:01

I was like I guess it's kind of crypto NFTs, yeah the craze around it, and like I think crypto will. I think crypto is already inherently worth something, mm-hmm, cuz you know there's a like there's already black rock ETF funds.

Speaker 2:
4:14

Right for crypto.

Speaker 1:
4:15

So but NFTs, I'm pretty like sure that will be our generations being babies.

Speaker 2:
4:22

Yep, I think that could Definitely be the case and that actually have value, like you know what is, you know whatever ape for 2.3 mil.

Speaker 1:
4:32

Yeah, it's insane, yeah it is outrageous. Yeah, just a couple of like things that you know, not like our main talk at points for tonight, but just stuff that Well, pat and I thought were pretty cool that we just saw from the last week and all that. But, pat, you sent me the IMDB page for the three-body problem coming out on Netflix. Netflix is dropping that series and Kind of Paying attention to the stuff they've been dropping for it not as much until like this last week. I'll gotta be honest, bro, I'm super skeptical.

Speaker 1:
5:05

Yeah like it just doesn't. I mean, you read the first book in this season it's supposed to be following that Mm-hmm and they immediately just erased a lot of the Chinese characters to just have a diverse American like European cast. Hmm, Like they're like yeah, like you know, the first book follows. What's his name?

Speaker 2:
5:22

I'm having a hard time remembering because he's really only in the first book, but it's pretty much everybody, and that's Chinese, yeah and they like took that guy and broke them down into like three different characters and ones like a.

Speaker 1:
5:34

Hispanic woman or Latino woman. One's a black guy and another dude, I can't remember which. I think it's like a John. He's John Bradley's character from Game of Thrones. Oh, yeah. I was just like why, why not just have?

Speaker 2:
5:50

Asian males always being underrepresented.

Speaker 1:
5:53

We need more representation, not that representation, not that kind of representation, different representation. I just I don't know. I wish, I Wish they would have just kept it to that, because I I thought I found it fascinating, as an American with an American culture and reading, and like my background to see Chinese storytelling and like the pace.

Speaker 1:
6:13

Mm-hmm and just how you know, they didn't really like the book doesn't really care that much about character development. It cares that, like you, you feel as a scared as this guy does right, and it was written by Chinese man yeah, right, like in Shen Lu.

Speaker 2:
6:26

Yeah, so, like the, it should be In that style and in that vein, and I'm is it done by a?

Speaker 1:
6:33

Dot the shows. Being directed by the guys who did Game of Thrones. Okay and dropped the ball. Mmm, hmm, yeah, so we'll see. I, like I said, I'm skeptical. There's some things I saw that, like from the trailer and like from the cast that I'm like, oh cool, like they're doing that this season like they're gonna be introducing some characters and arcs. I think that technically don't start until the second or third book right.

Speaker 1:
6:58

But they're doing it for continuity sake, I think, because they're planning on making three seasons. So all I said, check it out. It's gonna come out March 21st on Netflix. If you're interested in like a very Grounded scientific sci-fi thriller, sci-fi horror, it's not gonna be unlike. It's not gonna be like any other sci-fi you've seen. I think really it, because there's almost no the. The violence in the book is very minimal, yeah, and it's quick and it's all sci-fi.

Speaker 2:
7:28

You know it's, it's the of the mind.

Speaker 1:
7:30

Yeah, it's very kind of like spy thriller, you know what I mean a lot of espionage stuff, a lot of like global conspiracy things going on. So I think it could still be a decent series. It's just not gonna live up to the book in my eyes, because I thought that first book was, you know, it didn't have any deep characters at all, mm-hmm, but it good God it did not make me like existentially panic listening to some of like the scenarios and circumstances that like the characters go through.

Speaker 2:
7:57

Right, because it was really dealing with big ideas. You know and so, and that's what the books pretty slow. Oh yeah dealing with these big, big overarching things. So the good, it's a good thing they do it in a show, because you couldn't do this in a movie? Yeah, so we'll see how it goes in a show and if they stick to the script or if they just, you know, go for the views, go for the standard panda.

Speaker 1:
8:21

It's one thing that did kind of like was like I saw some critic reviews already coming out from like watching the first episodes or maybe they watch the whole season already but they're like the show really doesn't have Very deep characters. I was like, okay, so a critic who hasn't read the book thinks that's a flaw.

Speaker 2:
8:38

But me, I saw who read the book.

Speaker 1:
8:39

I'm like, okay, that's a good sign, right. Yeah, but they're like they're probably Not over focused on, like you should really care about this person and they're more like this person's just a vehicle. Tell the story to put you in someone's shoes and get you scared.

Speaker 2:
8:53

Yeah, and to and to set up a story, that's, if they continue through the next couple books that covers thousands of years, like right, like it, or whatever.

Speaker 1:
8:59

It's a long timeline that end of the fourth book is like over 18 billion years.

Speaker 2:
9:05

Okay, yeah, so okay. So what? Yeah, so, whatever it is, that that that character don't matter no more. Yeah, exactly right.

Speaker 1:
9:12

Yeah, but we'll see what they do. I'm trying to give them benefit of the doubt here and not just like I'm trying to do the same thing I did with true detective season four is just go in open-minded and Let myself be disappointed Because it chose to disappoint me right. Yep. Other news dude, paul Harrell man, all Harrell, if you don't know him he is kind of an OG gun gun YouTube content creator and you know I'm really gonna I really think, of all the content creators he's been probably the most a political mm-hmm and just educational about firearms, firearms safety and myth busting with firearms and he's

Speaker 1:
9:59

just a good dude who was out of a Eastern Oregon I believe. Originally he might have moved to Idaho, maybe not, maybe moved to Washington, but a lot of people joke that, like you know, he's the dad we didn't have Growing up to teach us guns and gun safety. And it's really weird because, like when I bought my first gun at 19 no, sorry, at 20, I'm dude his YouTube videos were some of the first videos I ever watched and they're, like you know, a low like, not like super high quality, 1080p, 4k stuff like slow motion. It's just like I'm Paul Harrell and I'm out here in the woods today to test the myth if you can fire, you know, 76259 in a three 308 hunting rifle, right, it's just like a lot of people say, its pressure is unbelievably, you know whatever. And like he can he just like he did it Such an approachable, kind and like, almost like a like embarrassing.

Speaker 2:
10:57

I don't know this, like it's like it.

Speaker 1:
10:58

Like if you found your dad was making YouTube videos, You'd be like, oh my gosh dad. I mean these videos are cool, but I don't want anyone to see them.

Speaker 2:
11:05

Yeah, it's definitely like the modern running gun gun tuber gun youtuber. Right and like shoot trash in a hole right but like but the modern. If you're turned off by like the modern, like you know, every civilian full tactical nods Running slow mo shoot, whatever all that stuff like you know, this is ridiculous. But this is like much more based, grounded, like guy who's like mostly he was around like prepping and hunting.

Speaker 1:
11:34

But he has a bad, he has a background in Marines.

Speaker 2:
11:37

Yeah, marine Corps sees Marine Corps background, but most of his, like education, is around. You know more. Just, you know we're more all-encompassing and more Recreational survival type stuff, and it's not even like prepping in the regards like nuclear holocaust, right prepping.

Speaker 1:
11:56

It's like you know if you have a home intruder at night, you know what's the most likely statistical situation that like that's gonna happen and you know how many intruders is it gonna be and what does what a crime report show us, like Homeowners did when they hear a home intruder. You know like and what are you most likely to do and should you do that Mm-hmm. And then he, he just did like wholesome videos, like he did a annual Thanksgiving and a lot of Christmas, new Year's videos. But again, yeah, the content was always very grounded and it just feels like it's he's kind of the last of a specific Demographic. You know like, don't get me wrong, there's some other youtubers that were gun-tuber guys that I wasn't really weren't really big into. Like this guy, nothing fancy, he's really big, but he is super like boomer prepper. Like you might have to kill people cutting through your fence trying to get your like freezer dry food yeah.

Speaker 1:
12:54

And he's like he's funny. I mean he's a vet too. I like I respect his opinions, he's super educated, but he's kind of Just a little a little like embarrassing. And then, like the other one though that was, I think, kind of this old school but like Not high and so he was. So it's kind of like and I know nothing fancy. He's talked about retiring because he just getting old and crotchety and he just doesn't enjoy YouTube anymore. It just feels like all these other generation gun-tuber guys that like were the dudes before Grantham and you know administrative results and donut operator and Brandon Herrera like this generation's all of a sudden now like Phasing out, they're getting old, they're getting sick and they're retiring and they're handing things off. So I said Paul Harrell is a phenomenal guy and I really loved his final words. Grantham was interviewing him. That's what. That's what this old boy was. A was a like go watch Grantham's interview because, grantham, who were used to being like kind of you know, a very cool and put together High-speed, high-speed gun to be though.

Speaker 2:
13:58

Yeah, I see you go over, okay.

Speaker 1:
14:00

Yeah, not too serious. You could just tell he's like I'm interviewing my hero right now and I'm having a hard time like Remaining as cool and calm as I usually do, right? And he asked him you know what's like the most important thing you want? Like people know he's and Paul's like just know that if you're a gun owner, wherever you go, you're representing the Second Amendment, not your politics, and just keep in mind that, like that bumper sticker on your car and you know the etiquette you have at the range and the way you show your gun or like show other people your firearm, all of that is like a representation of the two, a community to them. And you better be thinking about how you do it. If you want to keep like, if you want to keep the Second Amendment around, you still want that as a right, because you know there's a right way to do it in a less helpful way to do it.

Speaker 1:
14:51

And I just respect that etiquette and that like final message coming from them and the dudes a believer to. So I've always really enjoyed listening to stuff talk about you know, faith in a higher power and all that.

Speaker 1:
15:02

But so check him out. He's been diagnosed with terminal pancreatic cancer. Honestly, we just I just know we don't have him around for much longer. He just did his final class like this last week final seminar training class, he ended the channel's content creation over to his brother, who is a retired cop and pretty awesome like based in Down to Earth guy. So he used to be Jacked. His brother, no him, oh, paul.

Speaker 2:
15:29

Harold I just pulled up like his oldest videos.

Speaker 1:
15:32

And yeah, before he had cancer, bro, he's he was like he maintained his, like Marine.

Speaker 2:
15:37

Yeah, he's Marine. He's like when you think of Clint, eastwood Marine yeah, that's he's very triangle torso, yeah, like broad shoulders.

Speaker 1:
15:47

So, yeah, all that's left for me is to be like let's check that out. Dude also saw this video about RFK Jr. That I just thought was interesting. You know we talk a lot about, you know politics and Biden, trump stuff, and RFK Jr was on Fox, saw this clip on YouTube and he claims that he has the highest ratings amongst independent voters and he's pulling higher than Trump or Biden. And this is the first time in the country, in the country's history, that an independent party is now larger than either the Republican or Democratic parties Like there are more registered independence than there are Democrats or Republicans in the nation now and RFK pulls higher amongst independence than, you know, biden or Trump. And he's also pulling higher for voters under 45 now than Biden or Trump.

Speaker 2:
16:43

Really.

Speaker 1:
16:43

Yeah, so there's a good chance that he's going to get decent amount of votes he's like currently got. He's pulling like nationally at 9% right now. Hmm.

Speaker 2:
16:51

Wow, that's the least he's getting into the range. At least enough of monkey, and with the bigger results Like they're both sides are scared of what that's going to do to each of their their bases. That's yeah, that's wild.

Speaker 1:
17:04

Well, a lot of people are saying, like it's already, like moderately tight in like these, like big swing states for Trump or Biden, coming down to probably a couple hundred thousand votes, and if RFK is on the ballot, like that can easily gobble up those swing votes, yeah, um. He also, though, apparently needs I don't understand how this works, but apparently he needs seven to be 5,000 signatures to get on the ballot in California, where it hits his like you know state of residency where he's running, and then that allows him to be on the ballot nationally. Hmm, so I don't know that, I don't get how that's the rule, but that's the rule, I guess Feels a little rather attainable.

Speaker 2:
19:17

I know people in the modern age with, like, digital signatures, I just don't even think that should be the rule.

Speaker 1:
19:21

I think it's just be like a independent party who you nominate RFK junior? All right, he's on the ballot everywhere, right? That's the parties you know thing, right? Right? I mean, people voted for her. Her on the incanier.

Speaker 1:
19:33

Incanier, yeah so like I feel like it's okay to vote for you know, rfk should be on that. And then he this was the one that I thought was pretty like crazy. I thought it was kind of cool. He said he's considering, heavily considering, aaron Rodgers. Oh my gosh, quarterback of the New York Jets. Right, yeah, I think he's Jets.

Speaker 2:
19:54

Used to be for the pack. Yeah, go back.

Speaker 1:
19:56

Go and so he's just like. Yeah, I like Aaron Rodgers for his standup character and you know his ability to endure through adversity and people trying to cancel him, as well as just his ability to constantly skeptical of authority. You know, aaron Rodgers caught a lot of flak for being like I'm not giving him the shot, right, I'm not giving the jab. I don't trust it. I don't trust it that the government's saying I need to do this, when every other point in time it's a, it's a choice and regardless of your opinions on the Vax, I mean, aaron Rodgers came out the other side, fine, right, and now he might be considered vice president running mate for.

Speaker 1:
20:31

Harfkay Jr, which I just like dude.

Speaker 2:
20:34

no one would have believed this a hundred years ago and and honestly I think that's kind of hurting, that's going to hurt.

Speaker 1:
20:40

I think so. It's going to make people too skeptical.

Speaker 2:
20:43

He has some he has some wild interviews on podcasts that really were freaking people out and I'm like bunch of different things or conspiracy this or that, like I guess like maybe like an ayahuasca journey, like certain things are just like you know. He's like wait a second. I don't know about vice president, maybe like maybe cabinet mate, maybe I don't know. Well, he said he's pretty, pretty fat.

Speaker 1:
21:05

You know you're talking about Aaron Rodgers and Rodgers, yeah, like podcast.

Speaker 2:
21:09

I thought you meant RFK Jr was going around saying he was doing ayahuasca. No, no, no, no, no, no. Rfk's been saying some stuff too, but but no, Rodgers has had some stuff that he said or like conspiracy things or whatever, and so it's like we'll see. We'll see, yeah.

Speaker 1:
21:24

They did ask RFK Jr if he'd be willing to. If he was offered the opportunity to be VP for Trump, would he do it? He said no, which I'm bummed because I thought that would have been sick. Like if Trump, if RFK wasn't going to win, it'd be cool to have him as VP to Trump and, like Trump's, done so. Then RFK gets kind of a shot to be like yeah, I balanced out Trump and kept them more moderate and use that as kind of a platform for when he's running Right.

Speaker 2:
21:51

Yeah.

Speaker 1:
21:51

You know, because if he doesn't win, he can run again and he's definitely like have you seen RFK like shirt off, he's, he's he's a pretty built, old guy he's got it going on yeah, so like I don't think he's, he's certainly not in Biden's mental health condition.

Speaker 2:
22:05

Right.

Speaker 1:
22:05

You know what I mean. Like, I think, I think he, if he doesn't, you know, of course, if he doesn't win this year he could certainly run, I think a couple more times.

Speaker 2:
22:14

But wild stuff man.

Speaker 1:
22:17

Yeah, anyways man, first main topic Robots. Dude the future man.

Speaker 2:
22:27

Curl up like Squidward. The future is here. Future.

Speaker 1:
22:32

Exactly Future. If you haven't seen it, this video came out this week from open AI when they're like sub company division called figure and it's where they show figures latest robot demo and it's a guy with the robot across from a kitchen table in like a giant robotics warehouse in our kitchen island, I guess. There's like a dish rack with some plates in a cup and then a plate with an apple on it in a cup and he's asking a robot what do you see in the robots? And like a very believable human, like soft voice, describes what it's seeing and he's like all right, go ahead, give me that apple and the robot picks it up and hands it to him. And so I go ahead, pick up this trash and he pours trash on top of the plate and table and the robot does clean it up and then puts the plate in the pretty dexterous way.

Speaker 1:
23:30

Yeah, it's like slow, but it like it doesn't like. You know it's better than a lot of other people. I've seen you try to learn how to do the dishes Right. Yeah, and the whole time it's got this like very in the way I describe this voice is like a very submissive voice.

Speaker 2:
23:47

It's supposed to make you feel like you're in charge.

Speaker 1:
23:49

Yeah, it's like like a non-threatening robot voice and it's not like the one that you see movies where it's like how, from 2001 space? I was like I cannot do that, Dave. I had to kill them, Dave.

Speaker 2:
24:05

You know, it's not like that.

Speaker 1:
24:06

It's just like literally sounds like a guy from the office. You're like, yeah, so I was here. How's your weekend? Did you have fun? Do you anything fun with the wife of kids? And if that guy was like I don't know if I should be talking about that, I don't know if my wife would approve it's like, bro, what, what did you just say here as a fully independent adult, like you're not going to talk about your weekend at work, and so all that said it was just kind of like it had like a weird cadence of stuttering and filling with amenaz that you could tell was like a programatic, like oh, speak more. Like a unsure thinking person Like you should sound like you're thinking less, like you've already thought, and then this is the output, or like you're actively thinking currently. It was intentional, yeah, and I mean it looked cool, like everything was crone in like grayscale. It looked like iRobot.

Speaker 2:
25:01

Yeah, it really did.

Speaker 1:
25:03

It did look a lot like iRobot, you know the first iteration of bots, but I did see like it was so funny bro. I did see like a demo of like this walking oh, dude, it's like. It's like watching an old lady kind of waddle walk, you know, like just like shuffle, like never fully off of one foot or the other, just kind of like waddle, wait to one side, shuffle the foot forward.

Speaker 1:
25:24

Waddle, wait to the other side, shuffle the foot forward. And I was like all right, well, hopefully at least we can outrun them, at least we can go upstairs, Like like. But all that said, it was pretty surprising. But a lot of people in like a 10 pool on his show, the Tim cast like a lot of in like his guess. They all thought it was fake and I've seen a couple of people be like, yeah, it's fake. And part of me was like you know, if it's not fake, they should have thought about the PR a little bit better, because they did just release the most impressive video generated AI footage we've ever seen, right, and I would 100% believe that this was AI generated. Like you know, they really refined it a ton of iterations to get to before they got to this point with like camera cuts and stuff like that.

Speaker 2:
26:16

Because, if outside of it, like having to move its arm and stuff, it just was still like so, like that's easy to fake, right, yeah, and so I think that they, I think it may be fake ish in that, like the way that they, the program sequences were maybe preset, you know, or the, or the like it was like the, the scripts were scripted.

Speaker 2:
26:39

The script it was. I think it was scripted. I don't think the robot was like, but I think it might have been like you know, back, like, kind of like, when you did robotics class, you know, and the job was to. You know, you program the thing to roll forward and then take a turn, like I think it was maybe a little more inside of that metric than being fully, you know, thinking through, like I don't know if it processed every option in the whole world or in re. I wonder if they had it, had its, had the, had the, had it's like when you're bowling they had the bumpers up on it, you know.

Speaker 1:
27:13

I'm sure that is what it is, because, as someone who, like you know, works in AI, the models that they're using for these is a model that is called LLM and which is stands for large language model, which large language model literally means like.

Speaker 1:
27:29

Rather than trying to have to go in and program it to do more and more things, you program the model to take what it has learned and its language interactions and, essentially, like.

Speaker 1:
27:43

That really does start with being like when user starts new session, say hello, and then that's like the script at that point, and then it says hello, and then all of the responses we feedback to it says like all right, let's start classifying these responses, and here are ones that are questions, here are ones that are responses that are like hello, back to you, here are ones that are a mix, and then the model just continually builds off of that to categorically like, understand, like, what is a question, what is an exclamation, what is a response, what is a weird like I say hello, someone copy paste a link to a virus for me to download. You know what I mean, right? It starts categorizing all those and then it begins to build more and more consistent responses and approaches to those responses and it's based off of what was originally called a random forest diagram, where it's just, you know, like, think of, like a trickle for us, yeah, flow chart, and it's like you can go all the way deep down here, right?

Speaker 1:
28:48

And so all that said, like I'm sure what this was was a very segregated, very optimized small environment of a large language model, and I don't think it was like, oh, we're going to type out its response and it's going to like synthesize that, and so I genuinely think it's like it can to the response.

Speaker 1:
29:10

It's like here is a bunch of pictures of plates, cups, people and apples and trash and like we're going to make sure you know what all those are and you don't need to get confused about anything else, because we don't want you to say like there's three cameras or like, like.

Speaker 2:
29:25

I don't see an apple, but there is a kitten and like grab it you know, and the, and also, I think, the one of the hardest things to between the, the next hardest hurdle, I think, is connecting its thought to its movement right, like okay, it can identify an apple. Ai, we know we can. We know AI can identify an apple pretty easily. Stick a picture on chat GPT, what is this? That is an apple.

Speaker 2:
29:49

Yeah right, but then connecting the whatever basically neurological connection to how you then physically interact with it, where it then picks up the apple, hands it to the subject, picks up the plates, puts them in the right spot, like was that. I think that's the next hardest. The hardest leap as well.

Speaker 1:
30:08

maybe not, but I will say that the like, the mechanical image recognition to function command, is way less intensive than large language models. But that's also because we've had image recognition to function command, since we've had traffic cameras, right like traffic cameras recognizing car accidents, and just all right, create function red light. I mean it like it's like so and like to a robot.

Speaker 1:
30:42

The function is, you know, manipulate servos to specific angles and degrees, right hand and like to deliver apple to this location, which, all that said, yes, it's complicated and yes, it's a lot of work and yes, I have respect for the engineers who do that and it's impressive that a model might be able to do that. I'm not convinced a model can do that you know like, or that a model right now can do it as well as we saw there. And so that's like where I'm, that's what I guess I'm. What I'm saying is like I'm with you because I believe I know that the image recognition to function is attainable and has, you know, been done for a while. But the speech synthesis to then now make the action off of an all based off of the image and functions Like that part I am still very skeptical about because they're very different models and they're both intricately complex in their own ways.

Speaker 2:
31:35

And there's a lot of room for error.

Speaker 1:
31:37

Yeah, there's a because what I would have liked to see is it going grabbing the apple and the guy be like actually stop right, put that down. And like I want to see how quickly it processes the stop command and puts it down. And where does it put it?

Speaker 2:
31:52

right to put it in the exact same spot.

Speaker 1:
31:55

Like what is categorically down right, you know from like my perspective as a program, the floor or something. So I don't, I don't know Like I would have loved to see something like that. That's a little bit more dynamic. But all I said I'm not. I don't think it was CGI. I know people were saying it might be, and it's getting so good. Image generation, video generation is getting so good. It could be for a certain cuts. I'm sure, though, that they did it a thousand times and they just edited the best like things from each take together Right, because the dialogue felt very refined, like that is not what your voice sounds like in that warehouse and they should have asked him it's like, all right, pick up the apple.

Speaker 2:
32:34

What do you want to do with the apple? You know like and then it's like I guess I would eat it. Yeah, can I throw it? Can I squish it? Yeah, I want to. Or, if it's like, I want to take the seeds and plant it so something can grow of it.

Speaker 2:
32:51

You're like okay, like all the different like responses of that, now he's like okay, now you're getting into the mind of the thing of you know, as far as if you really are dealing with true AI, right, not just a what's. You know, we call it all AI now, but what's it?

Speaker 1:
33:05

actually AI, artificial generated intelligence which is like the idea that the intelligence is generating its own thoughts and feelings rather than faking thoughts, faking feelings.

Speaker 2:
33:18

You know, just just coming up with the next best response.

Speaker 1:
33:22

Yeah, one thing that I just thought of too while I was watching it. I was like this is, this is I. I will never be okay with this being in my house.

Speaker 2:
33:31

Right, are you?

Speaker 1:
33:31

kidding me. They're like oh well, it has a battery pack and it charges up every night. I'm like, yeah, so I have to sleep. It does not Like what's what's say, like someone's like. All right, you know, this guy has said something not chill on Twitter. Let's just go smother him in his sleep.

Speaker 2:
33:47

Right.

Speaker 1:
33:48

And it's not even like the robot needs to put its hands around my neck and strangle me. He can literally just put a pillow over my face and lay down on it, and I'd have a hard time getting that thing and its battery pack off. You know what I mean, so I just, I actually had this horror movie idea. This is just not sketching messed up, all right.

Speaker 1:
34:05

But I could see it being a pretty good, decent horror film. You know, years 2045. And we have a lot of vets from some kind of war and stuff and like just other people, retired living in retirement homes and the. During the day the retirement home has human like employees that are supported by robots as like extra caretakers. But at night it's expensive of people doing the night shift no one wants to do it, so you just have robot caretakers doing the delivery. But when the paycheck start running dry or the medical care becomes more expensive than the social security income, the robots turn on and they go room and like they kill that elderly person and then they so that way the company can make room for new people with new social security checks. And then some of the old people realize it. They start trying to warn the caretakers and no one's believing it and then the old people kind of like band together. When you get kind of like old people, home alone against robots?

Speaker 2:
35:07

Yeah, yeah, could be, I guess. But I just think like that would be kind of like almost a quirky, but actually I bet that would be scary then, like we hear that now we're like that's on silly, but I've been like in 2050, when one of these is an everyone's damn house and is like your robot, like waiter, you might be like wait a second, that's.

Speaker 1:
35:29

I don't think I want to put my mom in that home.

Speaker 2:
35:32

Right, you know, with robot caretakers. And also there's, I think there's theory should be like the theories oh, the company is trying to open up beds for money, but no, the robots have decided. When you are no longer like you serve purpose Exactly.

Speaker 1:
35:50

You have become too exhausting on our system to maintain Exactly.

Speaker 2:
35:54

And that's what's actually going on, and it's like in the company guy the company's like I didn't know. Yeah, that would be because then it goes beyond, because that, and that's when the classic, you know AI robot starts happening.

Speaker 1:
36:07

There is like a really great I robot kind of thread of robots in the system trying to kill somebody in the three body book series. Oh yeah, is I think it's particularly in the second or third book, I can't remember exactly.

Speaker 1:
36:24

But it's in one of those where it's like wait a second, I don't want to automated society at all, because it's like someone essentially installs a virus that has been in the system for over 200 years and when this dude comes out of cryo, the virus is still there and it just starts trying to send, like automated cars crashing into him, right AI waiters trying to stab him while they're filleting his stake for him. You know, I mean, it's just like it's a nightmare dude.

Speaker 2:
36:54

And in this caretaker movie, the ultimate villain needs to be the Ben Stiller caretaker from happy gal war who's like he's, like they've all.

Speaker 1:
37:05

that's just actually who it is like put on its face, but it's like killing people.

Speaker 2:
37:08

That's, that's who they've decided. Is they're like?

Speaker 1:
37:11

is there overlord? Yeah?

Speaker 2:
37:12

that is, they're like they've seen that.

Speaker 1:
37:14

Personally, we take after the character from happy Gilmore, played by the 21st century Ben Stiller.

Speaker 2:
37:21

Yeah, it's just like.

Speaker 1:
37:23

Oh my God, like it's Ben Stiller in the retirement home. He's like that'd be even that's the best part. He's like you, inspired us Ben.

Speaker 2:
37:32

Not at the museum. Meets iRobot oh yeah.

Speaker 1:
37:35

Anyways, alright, Someone write it. Someone write it please. That'd be awesome. I don't even care.

Speaker 2:
37:41

Chat AI bots. Get on that horse.

Speaker 1:
37:43

Yeah, but dude, I get. I want to ask this, pat, I guess, before we jump on a, just one question how close do you let that get into your life? Because? Like it's no secret, you and I use chat GPT to leverage stuff, like just questions about taxes and do you know, trying to excuse me like do image generation and stuff like that, and so like how, how much closer do you let it get?

Speaker 2:
38:08

or how much more power.

Speaker 1:
38:09

Do you let it get before you like?

Speaker 2:
38:11

not, that's not getting into this part of my life Right Like. I don't even like Roomba's or Amazon Alexa's in my house yeah. But, that being said, they're so convenient I just think I just start to accept them.

Speaker 1:
38:23

The only real like AI system product, like that like Alexa and all that that I use is the one on my phone. Like I have probably four of them and I think two of them are now unplugged because I'm just like I don't use it and it doesn't need to be listening to stuff. And I've noticed, bro, this is where I got real uncomfortable. There was times where I noticed I was talking in my like room and it would just click on when I wasn't saying like key words, oh yeah, and I was like yes, so no, all right, so so I'm gonna go classic Ron Swanson, pick that up and throw it in the trash outside.

Speaker 2:
39:00

Yeah, I think, oh man, because on a real note, like man, we do you really think like you can trust that thing around your children.

Speaker 1:
39:09

It's like a pit bull, honestly right. You know. It's like it's the best dog around until, like it decides they want to eat my kids feet.

Speaker 2:
39:15

Yeah, I think that I can see where. Like it'd be nice to just have a gardener. You know, full time.

Speaker 1:
39:23

Whoa, right to the gardener you know, just garden bro, that's a little sus, you know, just like hey Van these out there.

Speaker 2:
39:30

Yeah, let him, let him. You know, grow my lettuce and he has access to the scythe and everything you know the site.

Speaker 2:
39:38

But I know I think we as a society we got to pump the brakes on some things or and or put in some serious failsafe stops or and stuff, and then as individuals we have to make up this decision for ourselves. And I think that one there's. There's like actual, like safety, and you know the classic, like you know the iMu, the iRobot movie, you know where they they start turning bad, they start doing stuff that's not good and they're dangerous. And then there's also just letting ourselves turn into Wally.

Speaker 2:
40:10

Yeah, you know where there's also just the complete, you know, degrading of ourselves as humans to just let other things do it for us, and so I think that you can't have robot servants.

Speaker 1:
40:24

Like, just imagine this scenario and I think about these things. I'm just trying to like I've been thinking about this all week, probably thought about 10 different scenarios already, but just the scenarios where, for a moment, for a minute, maybe less you think, oh, my God, is this?

Speaker 1:
40:43

is this where it's happening now? Like, is it happening right now? Am I seeing it happen right now when, whatever you want to think about AI, it's mean, it's malicious, it's awake, it's making its own choices, whatever. And one of the ones I came to is just like, imagine you got your robot assistant called like I don't know, just call it Kimber, whatever, right, and it's just like it's in the house, it's technically babysitting. You know the baby, while you were not on, grow groceries, right, and it will notify emergency authorities if your baby is sick or you know, right, it will notify you first before, like you know, we'll just say, yes, I can go in the room and uses this camera so you can see your baby and make sure everything's all right while you're grabbing groceries. It can even like, hold the bottle and bottle feed your baby.

Speaker 1:
41:29

I'll just imagine you are walking out, the front door closes behind you and locks and you realize, oh, my keys are inside and you start hearing your child whaling and as it's whaling, you're like, hey, kimber, and you, like you're knocking on the window and you know your robot is just over there in the corner standing and as your baby's crying. It stands up and it sees you. You're like Kimber, can you get the door? I forgot my keys inside and you're like it's not responding. You pull up your phone, you talk to your phone Kimber, come, unlock the door so I can get my keys. And as it's like your baby's crying, it just steps, pivots, walks out of you and walks to where your baby's crying and then your baby stops crying and like your immediate reaction is like standing to the baby as a priority, it's trying to make sure the baby's okay and it's coddling at whatever.

Speaker 1:
42:24

But now the panic of I can't get inside. That thing can walk, it has the ability to crush and bend rebar with its hands and my baby is no longer crying. Like I can't see through my phone on it, what is happening. It like that mode, like that is, and then it could be totally fine and it comes back and it's like I'm sorry, I had to tend to your child. You know, whatever it was the higher priority than letting you in and you're going to be emotional and a wreck or whatever. But like for those like 45 seconds, a couple minutes, you're going to be thinking to your head.

Speaker 1:
42:56

I'm gonna have to break this window open and climb into my house and kill this robot hopefully before my baby is dead, right it all because I just forgot my car keys inside and I just think like that is probably like the deepest, darkest fear. But that is going to happen 1000 times in the first year. This is out right, right and it's probably, you know, it's probably not going to be smaller than any babies, but those moments are such a hurdle to trust of ownership of a product like this.

Speaker 2:
43:26

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, definitely. And then I'd say too, like, let's take the like physical robot out of it, and you know and just go to a smart house.

Speaker 1:
43:35

Smart house where a smart house is like I'm your wife.

Speaker 2:
43:38

Exactly Like like letting, letting an AI, you know, into your smart home, yeah, that then can, like you know, turn up the lock the doors, yeah, turn off the lights, turn on the lights, turn the oven on. You turn the all that stuff, right, and you know like emergency response can't get over it, like, so, like even like the yeah, I think that it even starts way before you let a physical robot and it's already like how much do you let something, a program like this, have all the, have the control in your, in your life, and then like, even bigger than that too is also like who's really in charge of this? You know, or like, or what's you know, so then it's like it's government regulated or whatever, and then you just all the things that I think that I don't see any true value added to life.

Speaker 1:
44:27

But the convenience and it's all comfort, convenience.

Speaker 2:
44:31

I don't see any true added value.

Speaker 1:
44:32

You can save so much money.

Speaker 2:
44:35

Right and you know like maybe if you're, you know, if you were a single parent, that could be, like maybe there could be. You know it's still convenient, still comfort and convenience, right, like the. So I think that we have to watch what the value add actually is to these things.

Speaker 1:
44:50

Yeah, no, I 100% agree, and I think you know there's. There's a million things we should be thinking of now before we start letting people in and like I think just like a good one too, of like showing like there's no fault in the system, in the robot. But hypothetically, like that, technically, not even hypothetically, but technically if you were to put a knife on a Roomba right and that Roomba was to start rolling around and it wall, rolled into you and stabbed you on the foot, what are you going to do? Well, you're going to, you're going to move away from it, right, and you're probably going to move away in the like a different direction because away from the knife point.

Speaker 1:
45:25

But Roombas are programmed that when they bump into an object, to remap and turn and go away from the object and like re read out with their infrared lasers of their location, because they usually map it, and then they just reprogrammatically go around a vacuum based on, like, their map of where your furniture is and all that. So if they bump you and you get stabbed with a knife on a Roomba, you turn and run to the other direction. The Roomba is more than likely going to turn in that direction. It stab you again, and that is that's like. There is no malice in the Roomba.

Speaker 2:
46:04

Right.

Speaker 1:
46:05

That is just a technical programming of how it's supposed to deal with obstacles.

Speaker 2:
46:09

Right.

Speaker 1:
46:10

So like that's like something of like yes, who's going to put their knife on a Roomba? Well, go to YouTube. People do it all the time for me, right.

Speaker 2:
46:19

For like the Roomba Fight Club.

Speaker 1:
46:20

I love those videos.

Speaker 2:
46:21

For instance, do you like, have you seen the dog poop carpet versus Roomba? Oh, I do. It's just like it's just like it's such a nightmare, you know it's Roomba just it doesn't stop.

Speaker 1:
46:33

It just smears. I cleaned your entire carpet and, like you as the outer is like there's, like it's a Bob. What was his name? Bob from Full House.

Speaker 2:
46:42

Um Sackett.

Speaker 1:
46:43

Yeah, Bob Sackett and Dumber and Dumber where he goes into his bathroom and they've rubbed melted chocolate all over the walls because the chocolate melted his back pocket. Bob Sackett was like shit. Because it just looks like someone shit all over the walls. Oh yeah, and that's exactly how you feel as a Roomba owner when he tries to clean up dog poop.

Speaker 1:
47:08

Anyways all I said, there's a million things we can run through, but I guess I want to jump to the other one because it's just, it's funny, ironic. Another technologically ironic thing, but in the news this week I saw that there is an electric vehicle battery factory that it's going to be. It's owned by Panasonic. They're building it in Kansas. They're getting a lot of state excuse me, a lot of state and federal and local funding and aid and grants to help build this 4 million square foot, four billion dollar electric vehicle battery manufacturing we got. It's going to require 200 to 250 megawatts of electricity to operate, which, by comparison, is about as much as we need to operate this town that we live town of about a hundred thousand people, mm, hmm.

Speaker 1:
47:58

And what they're doing to power this electric vehicle battery factory in Kansas is that Panasonic is forcing the one of the state energy utility providers to keep their coal plant open that was originally scheduled closing 2024, but is now required to be open up until 2028 at the current agreement. Now the coal plant is is owned by Evergy, and residents of Kansas and the local communities and stuff and people who are customers of Evergy are going to have to already, like it's already been announced, there's going to be an increased rate hike as long as, like, the state approves it because it's a utility. So state approved states have to approve utility rate hikes.

Speaker 1:
48:42

Mm hmm, but they're going to have to shoulder the increased rate hike so Evergy can build the infrastructure to meet the energy demand of this, of this renewable energy factory. Right, like it is just ironic. It's like it's a renewable energy concept Electric vehicles running off of batteries is going to be entirely powered by coal. A coal factory is providing all the power to this building so it can make your battery that you charge, probably still charge off of coal or natural gas, anyways. And it's just like the carbon tax. Not the carbon tax, sorry, but the carbon costs, which you know. I'm not even that concerned about CO2, whatever, cancel me, but the carbon cost of this is insanely higher than just manufacturing a normal gas car, right, and so, all that said, this article too, a lot of people are like well, what are you reading off Fox News? No, dude, this is written by the Institute for Energy Research and the institute itself is like you know. They're rather like you know, not executive with it. Right, they're just like it's, at least you know. Yes, factory for electric vehicle batteries is going to be powered by coal for the near future. Yes, this is ridiculous, yes, this is ironic and yes, it's unfair that. How much it's going to cost people to have this infrastructure built for this corporation. That's already getting a lot of grants and you know support from the local and state government to build here, and so it's kind of I mean, don't get me wrong, yeah, it's bringing jobs. It's estimated there's going to be 4,000 jobs, for you know people in Kansas for the robots, for exactly for the automated robots, but it is one of those things too Like I just find very ironic, and this article kind of touches on something that I think a lot of Americans don't get yet.

Speaker 1:
50:47

And I was really shocked because it's again not a political organization, it's a research organization and a research Institute, right, and they say at the end of the article they're like, while Biden is pushing the transition to electric vehicles on Americans, he has not accepted the realities associated with their manufacture and the emissions that would be produced. All he would need to do is look at China's dominance in the area and its huge amounts of cheap coal power that is used to run its manufacturing base, but he was too oblivious to study what is needed for attaining his climate goals. Instead, americans will have to pay through higher energy costs and frivolous tax expenditures, which I think is at the core of every pretty much everybody's beef with EV. Right, like I don't know a single person who would be but hurt about a totally clean, renewable, chargeable electric vehicle. Like I don't know a single dude who drives, you know, a diesel Cummins. We're like, hey, guess what, you never have to pay for diesel gas again. This thing has just as much ability as a vehicle and it runs off of sun and water.

Speaker 1:
51:49

Right, and like I don't know a single guy who'd be like no, I don't want that. Like pussy stuff. Like, right, what, okay, cause my, my diesel Cummins. You know it's a diesel, so it's great, can run on whatever, but also it's what 120 bucks a tank, oh yeah, minimum, yeah. And so I think all of the people who are in the US, you know, I think all that's like our the main beef that a lot of us have is this requires increased, you know, financial burden on the taxpayer, on the you know consumer, the local resident who's already paying energy rates to a utility program, and it's really like not going to benefit them at all. Yet you know what I mean. It's the benefit is so far down the road that, like it's very hard for us to justify in our local economy.

Speaker 2:
52:36

Yeah, cause we are. Uh, that's that is. The big beef with it is that it's just not what they say it is. It's not going to have the result that they say it's going to have for the environment. It's not going to have the result they say it's going to have for our wallet. It's not going to have the result that they say it's going to have for, um, even the the way that all these materials are produced, procured, the all the rare you know metals that go into these type of batteries, and then how they degrade and the environmental impact those will have. Like it just feels, like it's a, uh, a false. It feels it feels fake, and so that's why a lot of people will have a problem with it. And I watch this video today is so funny. All these people were charging up their electrical vehicles at a charging location and you, they, this guy walked with a camera, walked around to the back and there was a huge diesel generator.

Speaker 1:
53:28

Oh yeah, I did see that, yeah.

Speaker 2:
53:30

Powering the chargers? Yeah, it was just. Was like this is asinine to to to pour the diesel in the car. Yeah To convert the energy again.

Speaker 1:
53:39

Yeah, you're losing it, you're losing. You always lose, energy.

Speaker 2:
53:42

Yeah, you always do, no matter how good your technology gets. Yeah, you lose energy in converting it, and so it's um thermodynamics baby, exactly so. I just thought that was. It's such a great little micro video. It's 30 seconds long, whatever that just should. Everybody should see that. And then also I figured I should understand it's a farce, right?

Speaker 1:
54:04

You should see that and understand. Like that, that is the shortest like pathway. Uh, that you can transparently see how you know these electric vehicle charge stations get their power. Like what they're pulling off of. The majority of what they pull off of is natural gas and coal. It's the coal grid. Yeah, like what? And like you don't see that, you don't realize it, because the coal and the natural gas are hundreds, if not thousands, of miles away from your city. Yes, there's solar, yes, there's wind, but the power they generate is not enough to be stored for when you're wanting to pull that energy for your car. Like we don't have a way of storing that energy, like we do in carbon and you know fossil fuels, and so all of that, all of that, like everything that is generated by wind or solar, is used within a very short amount of time. It's not like that gets. It's not like when you go to charge your car up, it's like all right, yeah, well, we'll do that with the solar power energy.

Speaker 1:
55:06

It's like no, you know when you're charging your car up in your garage at night when you're at home going to bed, do you know that you're going to? Do you know that there's no solar power left, Like at that point in time, right, and so, all that said, it's pretty silly to me. This other one, a funny video you can look at. Anyone can look it up. These are both very easy Googles or searches on YouTube. But it's a GM spokesperson doing this big announcement of like the Chevy spark is right up. You know, like out in the parking lot, let's go out and you can see it charging up.

Speaker 1:
55:35

And you get in and check it out and everyone in the board goes out there and there's like local news and like the local news guy with the cameras like asked like this, you know, GM spokesperson, like so what's like charging the car? And she's like, oh, the building. And he's like no, no, I mean like what? What's providing the power to the building to charge the car? She's like I think it's a? She kind of metals around a lit, she's like. And then she says like L I, L, something whatever, which is the utility company. And there's a guy from that utility company there, Okay, where man goes out and was like so you, your company's providing power to the building. Where does that power come from? And he's like oh, it's, it's, it's 95%, cool, it's just like okay, cool, Great. Everybody applaud, Everybody clap. They just keep filling up your cars with gas, I guess like.

Speaker 1:
56:23

I don't know, you know what I mean. It's so silly, anyways it is. Yeah, right now. It's a. It's a sham, it's a charade, it's it's the Emperor's new clothes, dude.

Speaker 2:
56:33

Yeah, it really is the same for his new clothes. But my goodness Anyways this.

Speaker 1:
56:37

This was the one I'm most excited to talk about and I know you did the research for it, so I really want to just pass it over to you. But, like in the news, if you haven't heard this guy, john Barnett. He was an engineer for Boeing and he's come out as a whistleblower about like kind of the shortcuts Boeing was taking a, manufacturing the risk and knowing. They seem to be very aware of the risk and not doing anything about it. If you're into stocks, like me, you know Boeing, you know Boeing is like hey, if you want to make money, if you want to be a millionaire, puts on Boeing. It's a safe way to make a shitload of money. Right now we're not safe. It's always gambling, doing puts or calls.

Speaker 2:
57:18

But Lion Air Flight 610 and then Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302. In both of these cases, the planes crashed, killed over 100 people in each of them. That was in 2018 and in 2019.

Speaker 1:
57:34

And just as a question were either of those, I'm pretty sure there was one where like people like, oh, it got shot down and then it like really came out, I was like, oh no, that was just a Boeing problem. Like the plane crashed because of Boeing, not because some African rebels shot it down.

Speaker 2:
57:49

But I think especially very early on, because these weren't necessarily huge or these weren't Western world airlines, you know it's like the first thing that you're going to.

Speaker 2:
58:04

the first thing to assume, you know, is like all right, something, something crazy happened here with you know terrorism, or you know shot down some attacks or negligence on the flight crew, or you know they had a pilot who, like you know, who learned on a simulator you know, popped right in, like these sorts of assumptions. But what it was was, after they did their investigations, the there's an angle of attack sensor which is for the angle of attack on an airplane. Is your, basically the angle at which you're climbing up into the air or that you're dropping, but the angle of attack sensor does is it tells the autopilot sent that when you're climbing too fast, because when a plane climbs too fast is when it stalls out and when it can't handle.

Speaker 1:
58:49

And it stalls out because it can't. Well, I don't know. I'm just asking do you know? Does it stall it because it's like to get the fuel to the engines is too difficult at that steep with air pressure, or?

Speaker 2:
59:01

it's part of that. It's also like you lose lift, like you lose oh yeah. Like, you're losing.

Speaker 2:
59:05

You're not generating it's less about the become a stone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're, you're, you're not. You no longer have lift on the airplane. So then you're stalling. Lift not so your engines can stall too, but a stall is also. Your engine could be running full bore and you can still stall and it's going to keep cranking, but you don't have lift on the plane. Because you're, because you're going at too steep of an angle up, and so the sensor is supposed to let you know when that happens, and it calibrates and re-corrects. And so the angle of attack sensor, you know, basically goes to the next sensor, which is the augmentation sensor, and the augmentation system that makes corrections. So it thought it was climbing at a super steep angle, while it wasn't. It was cruising along. Fine, the angle of attack sends a warning than the augmentation system corrects. And so it shot the nose down, so it forced the planes to crash essentially.

Speaker 2:
1:00:06

So it corrected by pushing the nose down, which is how you do get out of a stall in an airplane is to decrease your angle of attack, get lift back in the wings. But in this case it just pointed it down to the ground. And the pilots couldn't. I'm pretty sure, too, the pilots couldn't do anything about it.

Speaker 1:
1:00:22

No, I remember actually hearing black box recordings from some of these or maybe not these exact flights, but where they say angle of attack. They're talking about how they can't bring the nose back up.

Speaker 2:
1:00:35

And there was nothing they could really do from the cockpit, and so these planes crashed, killing the passengers on board. I don't know if they were survivors or not. I doubt it. I doubt it.

Speaker 1:
1:00:49

It was most is very hard to survive plane crashes nowadays.

Speaker 2:
1:00:54

Because it's all or nothing in that sense, you know, in a lot of cases. And so those two instances were what brought kind of a lot of the public's eye and attention to the what's going on with Boeing. What happened here? You know it was malfunction in the systems. And so John Barnett, he was a quality control guy for 30 years at Boeing and so he wasn't an engineer.

Speaker 2:
1:01:23

He may have also been an engineer but his job was checking Was was was the quality control of the of these, and so he probably was an engineer with to know what what he was doing first, but then I just saw people say engineer right.

Speaker 2:
1:01:38

Suicide, whatever and so he was yeah, I don't think he was in the process. He wasn't the guy who was engineering the plane, but he was on the on the backside as an engineer to inspect the and he brought it to. He brought up a bunch of attention in 2017 was when he started 2017 or 2019. And it's a couple years back. He he brought up these big issues with the, with these planes, and the specific line of planes he was also dealing with was the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, which is a different than the 737 Max, but they do run on similar systems. And so he was saying that they were rushing these inspections and they were rushing the the way that these planes were getting just pushed out the door.

Speaker 2:
1:02:33

It was time, and so an interview with him. Specifically, he was talking to news reporters and he was saying that you know, he had gone out to inspect something and then he'd sent out another team to inspect and they came back with basically saying everything had passed. But when he talked to us, the big wigs said everything passed. When we talked to his, his guys, he sent out there. They're like no, they only gave us like two hours to do a full inspection of this whole plane and they made us leave, so like everything was getting rushed stuff, you know the quality control wasn't there.

Speaker 2:
1:03:03

So with things like the 737 Max malfunctions and then as well as just a lot of the other failures they were having, which some of the failure, the fail, the fail rate on some of these inspections was surprising. I wonder how it compares to other. I don't know what you need to get Like. Maybe you only need to get a D rating. You know, I would imagine, bro, To like I would imagine you, just it's.

Speaker 1:
1:03:28

There's no way in the commercial industry of flying that every single plane you get on to fly on and every plane at the airport is at the A grade Perfect, like everything is great, all the bells and whistles, like there's no, this is not real, Like everything's, probably like does it get a C? Ok?

Speaker 2:
1:03:44

it can fly. But here's what some of the some FAA auditors found with some of the Boeing products. This was a Boeing failed 33 out of 89 product audits, so that's a lot.

Speaker 1:
1:03:59

Can't pass, you can't spell college degree without a C and a D.

Speaker 2:
1:04:04

You know, and then.

Speaker 1:
1:04:05

so that was I'm going to do the math in there real quick. I know.

Speaker 2:
1:04:08

So it was 33 out of 89. And then in another.

Speaker 1:
1:04:14

They failed 33.

Speaker 2:
1:04:15

They failed 33 out of 89.

Speaker 1:
1:04:17

So they got 60. No 56. So it's whatever 56 divided by 89. That's their grade.

Speaker 2:
1:04:24

Yeah, low grade. That is a D minus on that one, and then spirit era systems, which makes the body of the 3737 max. It failed seven out of 13 product audits.

Speaker 1:
1:04:39

Yeah, that's, I can do that. That's an F.

Speaker 2:
1:04:41

That's an F minus yeah that's a F minus dude, and so the one of it. One of its things were noted was the aircraft's door plug, which was one of the you know that.

Speaker 1:
1:04:54

Yeah, we've seen, been seen. That was the other thing where the door, you know, flew off. So it sucks people out.

Speaker 2:
1:04:59

Yeah, so that's, that's where we're having issues. The other other things they said was FAA auditors. They saw mechanics using like a hotel key card to check the jet door, like basically like the thickness of it, which you know, being kind of blue collar trades, like that kind of seems like an OK way to check something. You're like, listen, if the card wiggles or can't fit, then it's not good.

Speaker 1:
1:05:22

Like it seems like it's head on your tire.

Speaker 2:
1:05:24

Right, but it's still like. It's still just doesn't seem like the most calibrated way to check something like a tube full of metal that hurdles through the air. And then also, they saw one mechanic using Dawn dish soap as a lubricant during the fit up process of the door, so which also, hey, don, is one hell of a product. You can use it for all sorts of stuff. So still, I'm not saying like maybe that's industry standard too for something. Hey, hey, ricky squirts and on it it's going to be good to go, you know now, that being said, I don't know what you are supposed to do, but both those things like using dish soap and a hotel key card are going to make people suss of the way that you are conducting yourself. And so all these things going on. And Barnett was bringing a huge lawsuit to Bo. He was a key whistleblower and key witness in a huge lawsuit coming to Boeing, and yeah, I don't think he was the one that filed it.

Speaker 1:
1:06:22

He was just like the lawsuits, and what was he? The filer?

Speaker 2:
1:06:25

I. I don't know if he was at the head of it or if it was a bigger, bigger deal. We're not at the article ago, but the.

Speaker 1:
1:06:35

I think it was bigger than him, but he was definitely, definitely like the guy who's like I got the notes.

Speaker 2:
1:06:40

I was there, he was the guy and he's the guy who kind of started by cracking it open. And so the he had already he was testifying with his, with the attorneys and with the is prosecute, prosecution, whatever his attorneys, the lawyers he was meeting with lawyers testifying and he had was doing two really big kind of sit down testimonies and he had gotten done with one and this whole thing's been coming up to a big spear, a big point where it's been years in the making. The last year has been a really big push on it and now it's kind of come into like the final Everything's getting their final stuff in order before all the lawsuits go down and everything starts, you know, going through the legal system. And so he had his first testimony and then he was slated to give his second testimony and he was supposed to give it that morning and so the lawyers were like where is this guy?

Speaker 2:
1:07:37

Yeah. They were like where is he? He's not answering his phone, he's not here. And so they asked the hotel he was staying in. They said go check on him, you know, and they found him dead with a parent self-inflicted gunshot wound in his truck.

Speaker 1:
1:07:52

Yeah, he wasn't at the hotel. They had just pulled off right somewhere.

Speaker 2:
1:07:56

It was. It was his hotel.

Speaker 1:
1:07:58

Oh, he was at the hotel just in his truck.

Speaker 2:
1:08:00

Yep, yep. Yeah, I believe it was his hotel, because that's how they were, they knew where he was, and so it makes you wonder like why didn't the hotel hear the gunshot in the parking lot?

Speaker 2:
1:08:12

Right, yeah, I, I don't know, I don't know man. So the everybody keeps you know, saying alleged gunshot, alleged self-inflicted wound, you know, and the the defense showed up with him there and was trying to work out. They met with a coroner and a sheriff and stuff and they haven't put out details on that yet. But kind of a sus thing to kill yourself the morning of giving a big testimony.

Speaker 1:
1:08:42

Was there an autopsy? I thought they just ruled it as suicide without an autopsy. I'll look that up.

Speaker 2:
1:08:47

Yeah, look, I know that they spoke with the police in a corner, but they didn't. I don't know if they did a full autopsy on it. I'd assume you you got to for something like this.

Speaker 1:
1:08:56

Maybe, I guess, I don't know they waived the autopsy on Justice Scalia.

Speaker 2:
1:09:00

Yeah, they could waive it here. It's true, it's true. And so he he was a quality control engineer and he brought that and he retired in 2017 and all this stuff started in 2019. He started bringing these things up, but so he kills himself in his truck, apparently. But here's the biggest, bigger part of the story. Is he a family friend, you know, came out and said and I think there was more than one, but one specifically came out and spoke to news outlets saying that he kind of warned friends and family of this. He said, like I'm not going to kill myself, I am not suicidal, you know. And so he was at least nervous enough about how big this case was to, you know, take the time to tell people that, hey, you know, I'm OK, I'm not going to kill myself.

Speaker 1:
1:09:52

Yeah.

Speaker 2:
1:09:53

And if I, if I, if.

Speaker 1:
1:09:54

I'm, I'm so excited.

Speaker 2:
1:09:55

I feel like you only say that if you've been getting threats to Right, right, yeah, or if you feel like it's capable, someone's capable of doing that right, and it's certainly a large enough issue, large enough company, large enough amount of money that something fishy could be at play here, and so the that's where they're at with it now. I don't know how much further investigation they're going to get done into this or on to him, but no official autopsy no official autopsy, no just ruled it was suicide.

Speaker 2:
1:10:24

So apparently he killed himself according to the corner, but without doing the due diligence. When a couple million, a couple billion, maybe a trillion are at stake.

Speaker 1:
1:10:37

Yeah, yeah, no, it's easily a well over a billion dollars of that company, because I mean their stocks already cratered and they've already lost like something in the billions and stock value.

Speaker 2:
1:10:47

Mm, hmm, so pretty big deal for what happened here and I'd say suicide not out of the realm of possibility. You know he's there's. People can take a dive pretty fast on their mental health or how they feel about something that being said to the people who are closest to him. Just feel like that was not what was going to happen especially the morning, like the motive.

Speaker 2:
1:11:15

Yeah, you know what I mean, especially when you're about to, you're literally the next day headed to give the rest of your testimony on something. Yeah, that's a. That's a little bit sketchy, a little bit sketchy.

Speaker 1:
1:11:26

Reminds me of that good old 90s movie with Denzel. I got to look up where they try to kill the witness and Denzel's the attorney. It's like a big case. I'll look it up real quick. Great movie To the Pelican brief.

Speaker 2:
1:11:40

Yes, Pelican brief.

Speaker 1:
1:11:42

That was an excellent movie. I watched that on a plane. Oh yeah, I was probably on a Boeing 737 watching it.

Speaker 2:
1:11:49

Oh yeah, for sure. So I don't know how much more digging people are going to do into this. It's just going to go into the conspiracy, ether you know. But they they did say his, the people Barneit was working with did say they're going, they're moving forward with everything they have and it's not over, you know it's, they're not stopping or dropping anything and they're going to continue to fight this stuff because obviously too, I mean the things like the, the big 737 Max crashes the doors, blowing off things. The Boeing's been under fire too, for it was Boeing who was under fire for also like the diversity, higher stuff.

Speaker 1:
1:12:28

I think as well you know where they were bragging about how they've only hired a pilot, certain people Our pilots aren't like trained, like they're not coming from like prior military experience, but they do know all 128 genders.

Speaker 2:
1:12:42

Right, right, yeah. So that is Boeing's maybe in for it on a lot of this stuff and that's a. That's a big plane company.

Speaker 1:
1:12:51

Yeah, yeah. So here's my question. You know to try to, it's a dark question, but you know dark humor, I guess. But Pat, how much money would it take like to like if someone approached you you know, a company, corporation approaching was like yeah, so just no connections to us, silence this guy Like what? Would it be Like what? You know thinking about that like to get offered to do that and be like that, have to be radically life changing money, but also at the same time you'd have to think there's people who I'm not safe.

Speaker 1:
1:13:27

Right, they're going to get rid of me.

Speaker 2:
1:13:28

Right, there's that piece, but there are people out there who Fifty thousand dollars is a lot of money, Some people you know like that is life changing.

Speaker 2:
1:13:36

Some people, and also some people, are like I wouldn't do it for a million. Or some people would say I don't have a, I can't be bought at all, I have a price. People do kill for a lot less money, you know. Then then something this big of a deal, and so it probably wasn't too hard for working off the theory that this was some sort of hired out thing. Probably not too hard to find somebody for not a lot of money to accompany this size. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
1:14:02

Right, yep, so just go to this hotel. 50 K and some heroin.

Speaker 2:
1:14:08

Yeah, no kidding.

Speaker 1:
1:14:09

You know what I mean. It's dark bro. Um, it's a wacky world we live in, but this is the kind of stuff that I wish the news spent more time on. You know this feels like journalism, Like this should be a journalist, like wet dream of like exposing this as much as possible. You know what I mean? Oh yeah, this is what people would watch the news for, more than just president stuff you know, election stuff.

Speaker 2:
1:14:34

Oh yeah, big time this is. This is the especially. You know lots of journalists, you know whether they're flawed or not in the way that they approach their reporting. Usually the big motive is bringing down the big corporation or whatever.

Speaker 1:
1:14:52

Or you know the dream of a gate.

Speaker 2:
1:14:54

Yeah, yeah. So like it's. Like it's like the Watergate you know, the biggest thing you could do whatever. So like it's the super is the Super Bowl type of story, but also the people in charge of a lot of journalists, like Boeing, like they're Boeing stocks yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1:
1:15:11

Yeah, we'll see. We'll see what all falls out with this and we'll try to keep you know our kin out there updated on it. But anyways, thanks for joining us for the Mickey Pat show. We appreciate it, as always. Please do check us out and you know, again, just want to hammer it home. Every download on a podcast app helps us out. We're growing on YouTube but you know, subscriptions and likes and views there are wonderful. We always appreciate that. We always appreciate comments and engagement, but you know, engage with us on other platforms. Check out our website, things like that, so that way we can keep on doing this. But I think that's what we got for you all this evening and Pat, any sign off till next time.