Send us a text A stripped hillside can change a life more than a broken wall. That’s the image that frames our conversation as Dean returns from Jamaica’s mountain communities and walks us through the quiet disaster most headlines missed: fruit trees leveled, tin roofs torn, and families suddenly cut off from the food they used to pick outside their doors. We talk about what disappears when the forest goes bare—bananas, mangos, coconuts—and how long it takes to coax a harvest back. Eight to t...

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Season 3

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A stripped hillside can change a life more than a broken wall. That’s the image that frames our conversation as Dean returns from Jamaica’s mountain communities and walks us through the quiet disaster most headlines missed: fruit trees leveled, tin roofs torn, and families suddenly cut off from the food they used to pick outside their doors. We talk about what disappears when the forest goes bare—bananas, mangos, coconuts—and how long it takes to coax a harvest back. Eight to twelve months is a long time when kids need lunch tomorrow.

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00:00 - Cats, Kids, And Avatar

04:43 - Dean Returns From Jamaica

08:08 - Hurricane Damage In The Hills

16:16 - Food Loss, Power Outages, Tin Roofs

21:21 - Springs, Water, And Generators

27:01 - Trip Logistics And Supplies

33:31 - Clearing Land And Replanting

38:41 - Safety, Scarcity, And Kids’ Hunger

44:01 - Meat Rabbits, Goats, And Food Reality

48:31 - Dependency, Distribution, And Roofs

54:41 - School Closures And Church Support

01:00:11 - Regrowth Timelines And Hard Months Ahead

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I didn't know you had a cat.

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Got two of 'em.

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What's your cat's name?

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Uh Momo and Tippy.

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Nice.

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Is it Momo from The Last Avatar?

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Uh no, because I've never actually seen it, but she looks exactly like Momo from The Last Avatar.

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Bro, I'll say this.

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The season one of the live action made me cry.

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I got insane.

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Yeah, both me and Billy Jean both cried while watching it.

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It gave us insane nostalgia.

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I've never I've also never seen it.

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Oh, dude, she does look like Momo.

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Yeah, same color.

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That's crazy.

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Oh yeah.

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Honestly, that is probably like the best show to watch with your kids, too, Pat.

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Oh yeah.

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Like, because it is so gradual in the introduction of the more like growing up themes.

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So, like, you know, dealing with death and a loved one passing on and first love stuff like that.

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But that all like is introduced over the course of like each season just gets a little bit older.

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And you could really take your time with your kids and just let them watch, like, you know, really like one season a year and grow up together.

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But uh, I think it's a great show for for like families to watch together.

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And I personally believe that just because I see Billy Jean's family and they all watched just get together, like you know, families would watch Survivor, and it really brought that whole family very close in like a way where like Survivor.

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Well, you know, a lot of families grew up watching Survivor together, you know what I mean?

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But um and so now like they've all had all their pets named after characters from Avatar and like uh Christmas gifts that were you know based around the show and stuff.

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What's the big uh flying Opa?

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Yeah, what is it?

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It's a flying weapon.

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It's like a bison bison platypus.

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Yeah, it's a bison, flying bison.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's a good name.

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Yeah, uh my like my wife, their cats are Sokka and Katara.

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And then are they Siamese cats?

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No.

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No, they're not they're not the same species.

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Um, but anyways, uh great show.

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Uh what were we talking about?

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Oh, we're talking about putting your mouth on your cat's head.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Is what we were talking about.

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I did start uh it is like I don't know, man.

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It there's something about your pet and just the familiarity of it.

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Like, it is really like just a matter of time before you start like biting your animal.

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Because I like I straight up when I'm playing around with my dog, I will like bite one of her big floppy ears.

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Oh yeah.

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And not like really hard, but just enough to get her to like instigate it so we can like play around and wrestle.

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Um I don't know.

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It's like it's kind of like I have no control over it.

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Yeah, once I'll I'll I'll bite my cat's like ear, but just like with my lips because they're so like thin.

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Yeah, not to actually hurt them.

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See if I can get a rise out of them.

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Exactly, exactly.

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Uh Ken, in case you haven't realized, Dean's here in the studio with us.

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And uh Dean Dean uh has been on the podcast a few episodes before.

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Gosh, like almost like a dozen now, I bet.

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I bet not a dozen, half a dozen.

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But uh Dean, you just got back from a trip to Jamaica.

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And you know, honestly, uh knowing more about how um just much damage was caused from the latest hurricane uh season that swept over it.

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I think you know, Pat and I both had the conversation was like, oh, like be good to have like someone who had some first hand like eyewitness stuff about it.

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Cause I just don't think a lot of people it didn't it didn't have almost any coverage in the news cycle.

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Yeah, no, it didn't.

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And so I don't think anyone's really aware of um, you know, just the damage that uh a lot of the Jamaica technically Bahamas region.

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It's in the Caribbean, yeah.

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The Caribbean, yeah.

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Um I don't think a lot of people are aware of like the damage some of the Caribbean nations went through with that.

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So really kind of constantly through, to be honest, huh?

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Just constantly through it.

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Just how other like year in and year out.

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There's different different islands getting smashed.

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Yeah, yeah, but it's not like uh I don't think you'd be races as much, right?

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Like like this was a pretty strong one from what I understand.

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Um but also we're happy just to have you on to just chat and catch up, and there's a lot of things in the last couple weeks that we could talk about going into the holiday season where we'll take a little bit of hiatus.

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Um, but anyways, happy that you're here, dude.

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Always a pleasure to have you here.

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It's been a while eating some homemade cookies.

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Yeah, you'll if you didn't hear my munching already.

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That's alright.

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Um, anyways, so uh let's talk about it.

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Yeah, we don't really have like any specific questions organized or anything like that that we won't like want to like have you go through.

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Like we didn't have anything prepped.

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It's more just like want to listen to you know, really what is the status, you know, and what is it like on the ground there in Jamaica, especially because you said I remember you had gone before six years ago.

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Yeah, right.

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So you so you kind of have seen you have a good way of comparing like you know the the difference between you know half a dozen years.

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And was that with the church when you went?

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Mm-hmm.

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Okay, so you went on like one of the first ones or yeah, I think it was the second one.

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Okay.

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And then um I've been two other times as well apart from the church.

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Okay.

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So I've been quite a few times.

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Uh the two things that I think were the most surprising, um one of which was more surprising than the other one, but just when when really strong hurricanes come through, uh you tend to think more of like the structural building damage.

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But really what ends up being really devastating for in this case a lot of the mountain communities, because the hurricane did most of the damage up in the hills, and is really just how the vegetation just gets pretty much ripped out of the ground.

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Um and so it's like after you see a forest fire where the trees are just like naked, it's almost the same thing.

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Um, because the trees are kind of ripped in half, like the banana trees, which are mostly water, are um are ripped out of the ground um or laying flat.

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So really the forest, which is typically pretty full and plush, just looks pretty naked.

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And that causes a ton of issues because it's ultimately a lot of the food, a lot of the fruit and the things that they're growing in the forest.

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Um, so food ends up being pretty difficult for a lot of those mountain communities.

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Um and the other thing is that uh a lot of their roofs, if they can't afford a concrete roof, then they have uh they have tin roofs.

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Um so those, if you get like even the slightest bit of wind catching those, it'll rip the whole roof off, basically.

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So uh a lot of the shelters up there are pretty pretty mangled.

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If they don't get ripped off with the wind, the tree might fall on them.

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Um so they don't none of them have power and because they're trying to fix a lot of the power in the sit like the city or some of the coastal areas.

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So those mountain communities really just don't have any power right now, and typically only a handful of places within those mountain communities will have a generator.

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Uh not most of the houses don't.

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So yeah, it's it's pretty devastating.

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I think a lot of a lot of the people there went without food for um for a while are pretty limited food.

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Um you can't just go and take some bananas from the trees or go to your typical mango tree or because they're pretty dependent on like subsistence living in the area.

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Yeah, yeah, especially a lot of foraging.

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Yeah, like there's but there's banana trees everywhere.

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Yeah, it the thing I think I'm trying to grasp here is like there's orchards everywhere around here right now.

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Like where we live in in Colorado, there's orchards everywhere.

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But you can't just walk up to them and grab whatever you want, right?

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Like that's someone's property, someone's livelihood, and someone's food that they're growing to either sell or sustain themselves.

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And so it sounds like though in Jamaica, like it's not someone's property and someone's tree.

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It's that like the it's a combo of both.

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Like some people have their properties and you're you're kind of living on a little bit of it's it's not so much a farm, but you have you'll like you'll plant these trees in your backyard that you're using for for food.

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Um, and they've like all sorts of fruit, basically, at the end of the day, and and then coconut as well.

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Uh, but the rest of the forest as well has its vegetation, maybe not as specific as the things that you've planted in your yard, but everything's mangled, right?

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Like and and no one owns this other stuff in the forest?

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Like it's like just I don't know for sure.

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Sure.

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Uh but there's forests, you're up in the mountains, so it's forest everywhere.

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It's it's like if you were to go to a cabin or something here where majority of the forest around you is like pretty uh pretty unoccupied.

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Um like you have these communities and there's like some roads and stuff going through it, but a lot of a lot of the forest around um is gonna be pretty pretty open.

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Cause when you because the and also because this I mean like lots of people have like maybe been to Jamaica and like been to a resort, right?

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You know, or like seen pictures of it.

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And like the these mountain villages are are they pretty starkly different?

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Or just like or like or just like like how as far as like what was what's access like getting there?

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Like what and like what would like the um and compared like infrastructure compared to like wherever, like if you're like on like on Tigo Bay or something, yeah, you know, versus like these um what's that what's their it's a little village, it's like six thousand people or something in the whole city or maybe and they're pretty spread out too.

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So um these people are kind of all over the place.

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But a lot a lot of these people will go back and forth to the city to get stuff if they need, and then whenever a storm happens, like roads might be cut out, the power's out, um the buses might not be running at all.

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Um, so there's not really food coming and going.

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They kind of just have the resources that are around them.

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And in this case, there's not like grocery stores or anything.

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Like you might have like some local stores with like snacks, like drinks, like beer and stuff, like kind of just like corner stores basically.

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But it's not gonna be like a your typical grow grocery store that you go to to pick up stuff for cooking.

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Um and so it's it's it's just a it's a very minimalist lifestyle, uh like because of poverty ultimately.

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Um like you don't you don't have like a j a big kitchen with like gas or anything like readily available, you know.

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Yeah, are are they pretty much still uh like powering everything from propane for the most part?

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Yeah, yeah, and um yeah, and in this case for the people that do have generators, like they're using that for their lights and stuff.

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Um but then it's probably hard pretty hard to get gas, or you've got to make a lot of trips back and forth from the city to get gas.

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Um what about what about like water?

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Like what's the water infrastructure like?

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Like, do they have like wells that feed into individual properties that they dig, or is it like there's a lot of springs in the area?

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Oh, there is a few primary ones in this community that people go to, and that's where they'll go to like uh collect their water, or they'll go and bathe.

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Like it's like a spring just kind of like shooting out of the hillside.

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And so um, some people will go wash their clothes there, uh bathe there, collect water to bring it back to um wherever.

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So stuff like filters and stuff are really helpful um for them.

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Some springs are cleaner than others, so uh some are like gonna be primarily used for bathing.

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And it's not like it's not like a pool that you're in where it's like somebody's bathing in there.

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It's like the water's kind of shooting out of the mountain, so you're just like kind of standing there, like letting it splash you, um, or like rinsing your water because they've kind of like um irrigated it down or something where you can wash your your clothes and stuff in there.

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It's not like it's not like India where people are like bathing and pooping in the Ganges.

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Right.

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And then still the same people are like scooping water out of it to cook later.

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Right.

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Yeah, right.

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Um that's rough.

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So because this was in in the because in the past you went with our church to do, you know, a mission trip there.

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Um what was the how did you I get this trip kind of got put together pretty fast.

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I think like what was did um how'd you end up on this trip or what and what was the main mission of the trip and you know what would it look like before you guys headed out there and what were you doing there?

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Uh my perspective is a bit limited because I was actually I was I was traveling for work when I got invited.

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So I was in I was in Vietnam for a week and then the following week I was in Indonesia.

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Um and so I came back for less than a week, and it was kind of a pretty last-minute decision.

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They're like, hey, like we've got a few people going, do you want to go?

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Uh I had wanted to go on the last trip that they were on, but didn't.

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Um so this time I was like, yeah, I'll I'll go, I'll make it work.

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Uh it wasn't gonna be a really big work trip.

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Sometimes you go for like a pro like the team's doing a project and everybody's gonna focus and rallying behind that.

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But this was a little bit less of that.

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It was mostly bringing supplies and seeing what work needed to be done, and then future trips would be for doing that work.

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Uh so this one was just like six of us, and they were they they did the other five did all of the work for gathering the supplies.

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Um so whenever I came back, it was kind of um I went back to catch up at work essentially, and then we just then we just left from there and took all the supplies.

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There was a lot of supplies.

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There was like probably there's probably 20.

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There's like black and yellow bins.

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Yeah.

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That we tote bins.

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Yeah, that we took on the flight.

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Um, which went pretty smooth, actually.

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I thought it was gonna be a nightmare, right?

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It went pretty smooth.

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Because I didn't know, I'm pretty sure there's a thing.

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There's something with airlines where like if you're doing relief work, cost is lower, you can call them and tell, like, hey, we're bringing the seven.

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Yeah, yeah, they can it's uh I don't know if it yeah, if it they they either lower the cost or sometimes maybe they comp it all the way.

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I'm not sure, but like I didn't I just I'd never the way that like uh airlines are so almost like becoming like the mafia like mobsters on like on baggage, uh but like the uh it's a good thing to know about to you know that you can you can use uh use that resource and yeah this this particular airline did not do that, and that was kind of a surprise.

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Yeah, uh you can name them name.

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This is the whole point of this podcast is that you could say shit like that.

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Frickin' American.

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It's like the the second that's not surprising.

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I'm pretty greedy.

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Yeah, I flew American coming back from Australia when I was in Indonesian.

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I was also pretty butthurt on that flight, too.

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That one was kind of brutal.

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I usually fly United, and I think I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with that to be honest.

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I'm always doing Southwest or United if I have to, but yeah, no, I I remember during uh COVID when it was first kicking off.

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Um and uh oh sorry, no, it wasn't COVID.

00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:51.559
It was uh a few Christmases ago, Billy Jean and I were flying and Southwest had their giant meltdown, right?

00:18:51.639 --> 00:18:53.159
Do you remember all their systems crashed?

00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:56.199
Like there was like thousands of people stuck in DIA.

00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:08.279
Uh while that was happening, dude, we saw we were watching real-time American airlines increase coach tickets up to like four grand.

00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:17.000
So if you wanted if you wanted to get out and get on one of the airlines, you had to pay four grand to like not even ride in first class.

00:19:17.159 --> 00:19:17.799
It's insane.

00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:19.159
Yeah, it was in it was unreal.

00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:21.079
You can't waste a good tragedy.

00:19:21.159 --> 00:19:21.319
Nope.

00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:22.919
Yeah, it was crazy.

00:19:25.399 --> 00:19:26.359
You know what we should have done?

00:19:26.439 --> 00:19:34.679
We should have we should have started bargaining with them during COVID whenever their prices were playing be like, mmm, I'll give you 58 bucks for this ticket.

00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:35.159
Yeah.

00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:36.199
Yeah.

00:19:36.679 --> 00:19:37.399
Exactly.

00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:40.759
So then how many how many days were you guys you guys there?

00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:42.119
Uh just five.

00:19:42.199 --> 00:19:42.679
Just five days.

00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:43.479
Yeah, it was a quick one.

00:19:43.719 --> 00:19:44.839
Sunday, Sunday through Thursday.

00:19:45.159 --> 00:19:45.879
What did go ahead.

00:19:45.959 --> 00:19:46.199
Sorry.

00:19:46.679 --> 00:19:52.359
What primarily were like the supplies you guys would bring in or Yeah, a lot of tools, uh a lot of food.

00:19:52.519 --> 00:20:02.439
So dry foods like rice, flour, sugar, uh tuna, like canned tuna, um beef sticks, you know.

00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:06.839
Uh man, I eat uh beef sticks and can tuna for a few meals.

00:20:08.999 --> 00:20:16.279
Uh yeah, a lot of dry foods and then uh tools and supplies um primarily.

00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:32.999
Because we'll end up using when we were there, the work that we were doing, which was pretty minimal compared to work on future and past trips, uh, was mostly clearing, um, so clearing out trees, vegetation, stuff so that they could re replant at the church.

00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:35.479
Because they supply a lot of food too.

00:20:35.639 --> 00:20:42.119
So um there was just debris like all over uh all over like a little bit of property that they had.

00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:45.799
So we're just trying to clean it up so that they could replant some banana trees and stuff.

00:20:45.959 --> 00:20:51.799
The pastor there, he's uh you can tell he's definitely um a farmer at heart.

00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:52.999
He loves it.

00:20:53.239 --> 00:21:17.319
Oh, I was gonna say m I was wondering, you know, what was the level of lawlessness or uh community insecurity compared to when you've been before, because I remember they for some reason the picture they decided to show before, you know, you guys all went was the picture and they were trying to raise money in supplies.

00:21:17.639 --> 00:21:21.879
It was a picture of the pastor down in Jamaica would just walk around with machete looking mean.

00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:23.559
Like looking mean, dude.

00:21:23.719 --> 00:21:30.519
And like they made it, it kind of like I don't think that our church meant to make it sound like and it's dangerous.

00:21:30.679 --> 00:21:33.079
Like he he they need help, right?

00:21:33.159 --> 00:21:38.359
But I it kind of looked like it was like he's he's roaming with the machete to fucking bandits off, you know?

00:21:38.999 --> 00:21:40.359
I don't mean to make a joke, right?

00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:53.959
But I was wondering like what what you know is is the community like pretty much like self-policing really well or like was it were you down there where you're like yeah, it was actually like a lot less safe than it we previous times we were down there.

00:21:54.279 --> 00:22:00.199
It felt it felt pretty tame, but then again, like right after the hurricane had happened.

00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:04.359
Right, because it was a how what what day did when it's because it's been a month?

00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:05.399
Yeah, it's been about a month.

00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:10.279
About a month, so kind of that initial like couple days could have been could have been pretty wild.

00:22:10.439 --> 00:22:11.879
Yeah, I have no idea.

00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:19.399
Um yeah, things were pretty tame when I was there, and you can tell that like a lot of the kids and stuff.

00:22:19.719 --> 00:22:26.839
Like they're pretty pretty they're not like outwardly very hungry, but they'll ask you for snacks a lot.

00:22:27.159 --> 00:22:34.519
Um and uh yeah, like they'll take they'll take food like any chance they'll ask for it and they'll look for it.

00:22:34.919 --> 00:22:40.839
So the assumption is that they're they're not eating super well at home.

00:22:41.239 --> 00:22:42.919
Uh nobody said that.

00:22:43.959 --> 00:22:45.639
Is that different than the past when you've been there?

00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:48.119
Like like mo it it seemed like it.

00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:48.519
Yeah.

00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:54.199
And maybe I wasn't as aware like last time we were there, we weren't really eating sna like our own snacks.

00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:57.079
Like the church was making food for us when we were there.

00:22:57.639 --> 00:23:01.239
Um, so I don't recall people asking a lot for food.

00:23:01.399 --> 00:23:06.439
And it could have been just like the snacks that we had were particularly snacks that they enjoyed this time.

00:23:06.679 --> 00:23:08.119
Like that's possible.

00:23:08.439 --> 00:23:13.079
Um, but well, it's also not like there's a lot of game, right?

00:23:13.399 --> 00:23:16.919
Like there's not a lot of stuff that you can just go out and hunt or right.

00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:18.759
No, yeah, nothing really.

00:23:18.999 --> 00:23:23.719
Like we were Hawaii where there's just chickens always roaming around.

00:23:24.039 --> 00:23:26.679
Where there's there's a there's goats everywhere.

00:23:26.919 --> 00:23:33.799
Um, but we were at this one lady's house, and she had she had some animals.

00:23:33.879 --> 00:23:40.759
There was like a few dogs there, there was like two parrots, and there was a cage of rabbits.

00:23:41.239 --> 00:23:44.999
And some of the kids were really excited to show us, show me these rabbits.

00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:46.199
So I like went over and looked at them.

00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:51.399
And these weren't like these weren't like giant rabbits that you just like see out in front of your house.

00:23:51.479 --> 00:23:55.079
Like these were the giant bunnies, like they looked like they were pets, yeah.

00:23:55.239 --> 00:23:56.919
Um, and they were freaking huge.

00:23:57.159 --> 00:23:58.119
Those are food rabbits.

00:23:58.359 --> 00:23:58.919
Good meat rabbits.

00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:06.359
Well, I asked them like in my eyes, I'm like, it looks like uh a pet rabbit because they're pretty cute, of course.

00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:08.359
And I was like, what are you doing with these rabbits?

00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:16.679
And one other kid just shouts out from the weeds, he's like, Food, and I was just like, damn, yeah, checks out.

00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:22.519
Dude, we had we have a friend at church that used to he ate them in college.

00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:23.319
He had his own rabbit.

00:24:23.479 --> 00:24:24.039
No way, yeah.

00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:26.279
He had a bunch of rabbits in his garage and ate them in college.

00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:28.039
Dude, people get on the the meat rabbit.

00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:33.479
Have you like there's this guy on YouTube who's been making meat rabbits pretty popular?

00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:47.879
Yeah, because he shows like the the speed at which they reproduce, the speed at which they grow, and then how little we're how little you gotta do for them, and like really the meat yield percentages compared to like chicken and stuff is crazy high.

00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:49.959
Like wow, hundreds of percent.

00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:51.719
Like, I want to say like more.

00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:54.279
And so disease is way less, dude.

00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:57.079
That was a for when I graduated college.

00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:01.319
That buddy he barbecued some rabbits for us.

00:25:02.919 --> 00:25:08.919
You know, I don't think my choice of graduation food would just be a couple of rabbits.

00:25:09.239 --> 00:25:09.879
It was so good.

00:25:09.959 --> 00:25:12.919
It was like a very, very tender, sweet barbecue meat.

00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:13.559
It was great.

00:25:13.639 --> 00:25:15.559
I could not tell it was what kind of sauce?

00:25:15.719 --> 00:25:16.439
Barbecue sauce?

00:25:16.919 --> 00:25:24.199
I mean, it you didn't need sauce, it was just like basted in until it was falling off the bone, you know?

00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:26.039
Yeah, it was like pulled rabbit.

00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:28.119
Wow, it was delicious.

00:25:28.439 --> 00:25:33.399
He also has had a lot of he's had quails and pheasants and doves.

00:25:33.639 --> 00:25:35.719
Anyways, yeah, off kind of off topic.

00:25:35.879 --> 00:25:41.479
But um, what so what did you spend most of this trip doing?

00:25:41.639 --> 00:25:51.159
Like I imagine it wasn't like actually rebuilding, but it was more like supervising handout of assets that were like donated and fundraised.

00:25:51.479 --> 00:25:52.599
Yeah, yeah.

00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:59.399
So one of the important things is like not creating dependency for anything.

00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:07.239
So you have to give the supplies to the church or somebody local that then can kind of distribute them and pass them out.

00:26:07.719 --> 00:26:11.399
Um like you don't want people thinking that you're coming.

00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:22.999
Like they're what a lot of people see on like other mission trips and stuff is that they do work and then the next time the project that they're doing the next time that they go there, it hasn't been touched since you left.

00:26:23.159 --> 00:26:27.159
And it's because they think you're coming back and you're gonna do it and you're gonna finish it for them.

00:26:27.399 --> 00:26:35.479
Um and so in this particular instance, there's so much work that can be done that you're not going like what are you gonna do?

00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:43.639
Like pick and choose one person in the community that you're gonna help them with their roof, and then everyone else, you're just like, sorry, like see you later.

00:26:43.959 --> 00:26:49.399
Yeah, that's that's what I was looking at my phone, just all these pictures of, and it seems like a lot of the structures are still there.

00:26:49.639 --> 00:26:51.959
Yeah, but roofs, roofs are the roofs around, yeah.

00:26:52.039 --> 00:27:01.159
Yeah, yeah, because the the not all, but a lot of the like a lot of the proper structures are like concrete homes um with like pretty good foundations.

00:27:01.479 --> 00:27:09.719
But so yeah, we're sorting supplies, giving that to the the church, they're gonna kind of pass that out and give that to the families.

00:27:09.959 --> 00:27:14.759
Uh, and then the other thing was just like, okay, how do we support the church there?

00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:18.679
Because they're doing a lot of work for the community.

00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:36.279
Uh, for example, when parents aren't working and they can't, I don't it seemed like it was like they have to pay for school of some sort, but the kids weren't going to school, therefore the kids aren't eating any meals uh because they're not being fed, they're not going to school, they're not being fed at school.

00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:36.519
Yeah.

00:27:36.679 --> 00:27:42.119
So then the church is like, well, then you need to bring the kids to the church, and then we'll feed them and we'll teach them, basically.

00:27:42.199 --> 00:27:46.759
Um, so there's a lot of kids at the church for school, like for daycare sort of stuff.

00:27:46.999 --> 00:27:47.319
Yeah.

00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:53.559
Um and so the church kind of plays that role there.

00:27:54.359 --> 00:28:02.759
So we were kind of working to clear the church's property so that they can get things planted and kind of like get some food going and kind of redistribute.

00:28:02.919 --> 00:28:11.319
And I will say that for being a month since the hurricane, the plants in the jungle grow rapidly fast.

00:28:11.719 --> 00:28:12.279
So fast, yeah.

00:28:12.439 --> 00:28:12.679
Yeah.

00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:21.959
Like you've already you've already got like a like foot and a half, two feet like stock on some of these banana trees or like these coconut trees that are still there.

00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:24.039
Like things are growing really fast.

00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:24.599
Yeah.

00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:37.799
Um, it'll probably be a year before eight months, maybe a year before they're having any fruit, essentially, but that's still eight months to a year that like people are looking for other ways for food.

00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:46.039
Yeah, no, it's it's a long time to be going hungry um and having to like rely on generosity for food.

00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:46.519
Yeah.

00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:47.479
That's pretty crazy.

00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:55.079
I mean, I guess it is very hard for me to like picture just because I don't really think we have an equivalency.

00:28:55.559 --> 00:29:17.159
You know, I think there's a couple towns in like the very remote parts of like the Rocky Mountains and stuff that you could, you know, say, like, yeah, during a blizzard, they don't have a grocery store and it's a town of several hundred people or something, and they're they gotta freaking stick it out.

00:29:17.239 --> 00:29:21.319
But the one thing that like all of North America has, no matter where you go, is game.

00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:22.039
Yeah, sure.

00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:35.079
Like, and like the be a very beautiful part of the you know uh American culture is like you can't be punished for hunting game if it's on sustenance.

00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:35.559
Sure.

00:29:35.719 --> 00:29:42.599
You know, like if it's like if if someone's like, bro, you just killed this moose without a tag, and you're like, it was the only thing around, and my family was starving.

00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:45.959
It's like, okay, well, you gotta get let off, right?

00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:51.639
And um I'm pretty sure that's universally across the the Continental 48 at least.

00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:55.319
The you can still get in trouble for it, definitely.

00:29:55.399 --> 00:29:59.639
It the way that it's policed can be like discretionary, yeah.

00:29:59.719 --> 00:30:07.399
Yeah, it's discretionary, whereas like, you know, there is there's like you know, game wars and stuff who like they know that guy poached that deer out of season.

00:30:07.879 --> 00:30:11.959
Also, they know that like that family has no food.

00:30:12.199 --> 00:30:20.119
Like, yeah, so there are like technically technically it's still just as illegal, you can get in just as much trouble, but the just there's discretionary pieces in there, you know.

00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:20.519
Yeah.

00:30:20.679 --> 00:30:32.119
I've I just remember hearing the stories from Alaska State troopers about crazy poor like families that have never had a bank account and they live somewhere with no power or running water, right?

00:30:32.199 --> 00:30:35.319
They're living off of like it's a it's a cabin.

00:30:35.479 --> 00:30:39.239
Yeah, and they go get their fresh water from the river, yeah.

00:30:39.479 --> 00:30:42.199
Or they break the ice in the lake to get it, you know what I mean?

00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:49.079
Or they like are smelting snow for it, and like they're just like, yeah, I'm just gonna like they whatever they hunt and eat, they can hunt and eat.

00:30:49.239 --> 00:30:54.039
Like they're never gonna kill something if that if they can't eat it before it spoils.

00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:58.359
And there's a pretty decent population of animals in in Alaska.

00:30:58.679 --> 00:31:00.359
More more uh what is it?

00:31:00.439 --> 00:31:04.439
What's the I think there's more moose in Alaska than there are humans, yeah.

00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:08.599
Which is crazy because like there's not that many moose anywhere else down here, right?

00:31:09.239 --> 00:31:09.799
They're everywhere.

00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:11.239
And there it is.

00:31:11.399 --> 00:31:13.879
I saw more moose than I saw people when I was in Alaska.

00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:14.439
That's crazy.

00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:19.399
They estimate of a around upwards of 200,000 moose in Alaska.

00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:21.879
Moose Moose, yeah, dude.

00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:22.519
Moxin.

00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:24.519
What a what a what a classic video.

00:31:24.679 --> 00:31:25.959
Classic moose.

00:31:26.199 --> 00:31:26.599
Yeah.

00:31:26.919 --> 00:31:48.359
Um, but uh so I it's very hard for me to conceptually like gather, like, okay, how do you even have a community in an in an area so remote if like it could cyclically uh be at the whim of like you know, the region and weather to to like lose your ability to sustain itself.

00:31:48.439 --> 00:31:55.239
So it definitely like I'm not and this is not me like saying like they should move or anything like that.

00:31:55.319 --> 00:32:05.879
It's more just like I I am trying to imagine like how that culture has done this in the past and how they've done it for the last several hundred years, you know what I mean?

00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:12.439
And this this hurricane is is was much stronger than a lot of things in recent memory, right?

00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:29.079
Yeah um, but it's a combination of a lot of things, like it's not like this the community is so remote that like they have no access to people or anything, but like roads get washed out, you can't like the buses aren't making their way up there.

00:32:29.719 --> 00:32:35.879
It's like a 45 minute to an hour and a half drive, so it's not like you're walking it or anything.

00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.759
Um they don't have jobs, so yeah.

00:32:38.999 --> 00:32:45.719
Some people don't have jobs, they're not like they're not they don't have cars, so they're not like commuting down there or anything.

00:32:45.959 --> 00:32:48.999
So it's it's a lot of factors that compile.

00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.759
Um is there any industry there outside of tourism?

00:32:52.919 --> 00:32:59.959
Like, like is a big like are there mines there at all, like that like are ran by the state or anything that a lot of people work at?

00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:07.479
You know, I don't know, but the Chinese are uh their presence is is pretty big there, right?

00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:08.439
No way, yeah.

00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:09.399
Really, I did not know that.

00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:18.039
I knew the Chinese had a huge present in a lot of African nations, did not know they were the Caribbean pretty big for materials and resources, right?

00:33:18.199 --> 00:33:24.039
So but in the Caribbean and in South America, they're almost just doing it.

00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:27.079
Oh actually, there's a lot of resources in South America.

00:33:27.239 --> 00:33:37.239
The Caribbean I don't understand, but they're like building hotels and bridges and like uh roads, like and it's like it's like known, like people know that it's happening.

00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:49.959
Yeah, they're like, Yeah, the Chinese are here, um, and they'll like point at like this overpass that's being built, and it's like the most impressive overpass or roadway that they've ever seen.

00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:52.279
And they're like, Yeah, the Chinese are doing that.

00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.239
And they're it's like it's like why are the Chinese doing that?

00:33:55.479 --> 00:33:59.639
Bro, because if if you're if you're in debt to them, they can just take your whole country over.

00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:01.959
I mean, it's a it's a hostile acquisition.

00:34:02.199 --> 00:34:02.359
Sure.

00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:06.679
That's a that's what they uh are doing in um Djibouti.

00:34:07.639 --> 00:34:13.000
I had a few buddies who have been deployed to acquisition deployed to well, they were they were deployed to Djibouti.

00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:24.280
No, it is funny, it's a hostile acquisition of Djibouti, but it's because that nation has no concept of like this is gonna sound rough, but I don't really care.

00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:32.360
I'm really beyond people getting their feelings hurt over like just the way the world works and economic policy.

00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:44.440
But many of these third world nations have a hard time uh with their leadership planning out long term and having any long-term vision.

00:34:44.759 --> 00:35:03.960
So when the Chinese are saying, like, hey, uh, we'll build this for this much money, and you'll owe us this much as a you know, in a result of it, uh, they're like taking the entire possible GDP that the government of some of these nations could like dream of in a decade.

00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:04.280
Yeah.

00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:18.039
And they're taking it in like a single project, a single infrastructure project, like a road or a uh electrical grid or plumbing infrastructure, wall like clean water, right?

00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:25.960
And so then they have these countries buy the flipping ball sack for decades and decades.

00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:28.679
It's like, oh, you're you're not gonna pay.

00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:33.000
Oh, well, then power's off and the water's off.

00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:35.239
Yeah, we're shutting down the road.

00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:45.239
Um, and then it and like they're agreeing to like essentially like the Chinese government owns those assets and stuff, and they're they're purchasing up essentially territory nations, yeah.

00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:50.920
Which don't really be very wise of the Chinese, not very wise of everyone who's just like selling off.

00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.000
Oh yeah, today I'll do that.

00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:55.320
Well, because they're not even selling it, right?

00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:56.199
They're just handing it.

00:35:56.440 --> 00:36:02.119
They're saying, like, yeah, you can build that, and yeah, we'll pay to build it, and we'll have our people help you with it.

00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:04.920
And you know, it's pretty smart, right?

00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:06.599
Because the Chinese never buys the land.

00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:07.159
Right.

00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:16.119
Well, it a lot of what the Chinese are doing, the China is the world's biggest importer of food and resources, right?

00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:19.719
Like it's actually a very resource-poor country.

00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:33.319
Um, and so for places like South America and Africa, uh, and Russia as well, but like you can't really take advantage of Russia in the ways that people historically have in Africa and South America.

00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:59.559
So the the presence of Russia and China in Africa secretly that people don't really see or realize, like there are like the amount of missions that the military is currently doing in Africa in this like secret fight for resources and um areas and territories in Africa.

00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:01.079
They shot at the Chinese.

00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:05.799
My buddies were deployed, they let they had fired warning shots at the Chinese regularly.

00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:16.119
Yeah, because of how close the Chinese would get with their land vehicles, and dude, the Chinese would like play chicken on the road, like they would drive at you.

00:37:16.359 --> 00:37:17.079
It's so funny.

00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:20.519
Trying to get you to like American humbies to like drive off.

00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:22.039
And I was like, that's insane, dude.

00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:40.920
And there, I don't think I don't know if people remember this, but there was recent, like maybe about a year ago or so, kind of a big deal that in a territory in Africa that France had, uh, the people in in that territory in Africa were just like, yeah, we don't want the French anymore.

00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:42.279
Like, we want the Russians.

00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:42.759
Yeah.

00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:48.359
And they were just getting ready to basically kick the French to the curb.

00:37:48.519 --> 00:38:01.239
Uh, but most it was some stupid, stupid amounts, like 70 something percent of um France's uh uranium was coming from their further nuclear power.

00:38:01.319 --> 00:38:01.559
Yep.

00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:09.960
And it was a really big deal because France was just gonna be shit out of luck because the Russians were just coming in and just isn't France France still shit out of luck.

00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:16.279
Like, aren't they still using gas pipelines from or natural gas pipelines from Russia?

00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:18.920
I know Germany was Germany was, yeah, yeah.

00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:23.639
Um, and that's that's why the Nord Stream pipeline really, really bone them.

00:38:23.799 --> 00:38:27.079
Um well, they bone themselves, basically, is what they did.

00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:32.359
When they're like Russia's bad, we're supporting Ukraine, and Russia's like, okay, power off.

00:38:32.759 --> 00:38:37.400
No, they were like, Russia's bad, so we're gonna blow up this pipeline that we used.

00:38:37.799 --> 00:38:43.480
Well, they opened up all the coal mines in Germany again, too, which was pretty crazy, like as a result of that.

00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:56.519
Yeah, and then Russia, oh then Germany also has a very recent which you don't think that this is that this wasn't a thing until they said it out loud, but they're starting to re-militarize, and you're like, You guys don't have a military?

00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:00.119
Like, I thought we said you aren't allowed to do that ever again.

00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:05.319
We started letting Japan do it when Japan was like, dude, do you see China?

00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:06.759
Pretty close.

00:39:06.839 --> 00:39:09.079
Yeah, you guys, you guys could make a military if you need.

00:39:09.799 --> 00:39:12.199
But it it makes you think about what's going on.

00:39:12.359 --> 00:39:21.960
Well, you had mentioned that, like, yeah, there's a lot of countries that are basically handing themselves and their land over because they're not thinking that far in advance.

00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.199
And it's like, yeah, it's it's true.

00:39:24.359 --> 00:39:45.559
And even countries that you don't think would do that do do that, like Venezuela right now, or like a lot of countries in South America where like one dictator person takes over this regime change every like 10 years or 15 years, or the CIA marches in there and does their thing, and then all boom, there's a new yeah, there's a new person in there.

00:39:45.799 --> 00:40:10.359
Um and so all these like crazy relationships and like territories get formed in areas, and it's like we're we're kind of looking in the eyes of this thing in Venezuela, which I think actually as of tonight we'll figure out if they did indeed declare a soft war in Venezuela that they were I don't think they have to declare war anymore.

00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:21.079
Uh well as as of very recently, they declared Venezuela as being part of a terrorization, which allowed them to do inland strikes.

00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:23.960
Yeah, but that also means you don't have to work around.

00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:28.519
That also means you don't have to declare war with like with the nation of Venezuela.

00:40:28.759 --> 00:40:29.000
Right.

00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:31.719
You could just be like, Well, well, it's another war on terror.

00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:33.000
Yeah, right, right.

00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:36.039
And there was there was we weren't at war with Afghanistan.

00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:39.079
We were at war with terrorists in Afghanistan.

00:40:39.879 --> 00:40:42.920
Not the country, not the country, just their citizens.

00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:43.480
Yeah.

00:40:43.799 --> 00:40:56.279
That's where the um it's I I typed in like I just asked chats like what's um what's China's interest in Jamaica and just even like chat GPG is like they want to be close to the Panama Canal for sure and control it.

00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:56.759
Yeah, yeah.

00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:58.279
Like, all right, that's there it is.

00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:07.400
I definitely think that's we're getting so sidetracked, but we gotta lock down that Panama Canal because if we lose the extra set, we are so boxed in.

00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:21.319
Um okay, but before we move on from Jamaica, man, I just I guess I kind of want to know like anything that you think you could like if you could tell anyone else who's going there, right?

00:41:21.879 --> 00:41:22.839
On mission trips.

00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:26.199
I know we're sending like four or five more teams or something.

00:41:26.359 --> 00:41:33.079
Um, but uh there might be other people who are going out and doing their own trips as well to any of these kind of Caribbean nations impacted.

00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:48.039
Do you have any like recommendations for like, hey, here's how to make the best use of your time, really, with like the impact I saw and like you know, going in kind of not blind, but going in not really knowing like what they might need most of.

00:41:48.839 --> 00:41:54.599
Um because I I mean I don't know how much food did you guys take down there versus like clothing and supplies, you know?

00:41:54.839 --> 00:41:56.440
Yeah, we took a fair amount of clothing.

00:41:56.519 --> 00:42:01.159
Apparently, clothing is m much more in demand than I had anticipated.

00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:06.839
So I think that will be a a pretty big thing for the future trips is bringing a lot of bringing a lot of clothing.

00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:13.000
That's that's surprising me because I would think they'd have plenty of that covered versus food.

00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:18.599
Like I would I would think like food would be much more of a higher priority, but yeah, that's what I thought.

00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:20.679
I don't Quite understand.

00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:27.559
Um I probably should ask more questions in the realm of like why clothing, what do you need, what do you need for clothing-wise?

00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:27.879
Yeah.

00:42:28.279 --> 00:42:31.480
Outside of like socks and underwear, that stuff that stuff makes sense, you know.

00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:32.679
He bought through quick.

00:42:33.159 --> 00:43:00.440
Um, but uh yeah, I think maybe one of the most important things is like when you kind of encounter like when a country encounters like a disaster like that, I think the issues the issues of that society can either become more pronounced afterward, or it's an opportunity for things to look different, I'd say.

00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:16.759
Like small examples that there's there's not many young men in in a lot of these mountain towns, and also just because of the culture there, it's not very common that young men stick around after someone's impregnated, after a female.

00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:18.839
Yeah, they knock them up and then they leave, bro.

00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:30.839
Yeah, and so there's there's a a pretty big lacking of male leadership in communities, but something that happens like when none of them are working, they all go home.

00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:53.079
So, like right now, maybe more than ever that I've seen is like there's actually a lot of the older older guys or kids, not even kids, but young men like that are in their 20s are like back home with their families whenever they're probably out shagging typically and like and spread and seed, and you don't know what happens after that.

00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:59.159
Um, but it's like this is like to some degree kind of a starting fresh point.

00:43:59.319 --> 00:44:31.879
So the more you can kind of connect with people in those communities and yeah um I don't just be like praying for them and um like trying to not give different perspective, but you don't want to like come in like change a culture, but just like be praying, like working and living alongside them that maybe you change like some hearts or some thoughts on things and um the issues of that community look a bit different, could look a bit different afterward, you know.

00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:36.039
Um the work ethic of the young men there is pretty poor.

00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:40.440
The reality is that when you're sitting there working, that was one thing I was gonna ask.

00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:54.039
Was the when you got there, it'd been a month, like was there kind of a lot of just a bunch of stuff still sitting around, you know, or like and or like and in general too, like maybe what you're about to say is like the uh yeah.

00:44:55.879 --> 00:44:57.400
Like I said, just go ahead and say what you're gonna say.

00:44:57.480 --> 00:44:58.759
So I think you're gonna answer my question.

00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:15.719
Well, yeah, yeah, it's it's um when there's not like men in the like in those households and the the moms are taking care of their kids, then the house projects that they have or like the betterment of the home gets put on the back burner for sure.

00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:29.079
And that makes the that makes the houses worse, which then make it even more difficult when a natural disaster does happen, that like these houses are still pretty behind.

00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:45.960
Uh and then the other piece of it is that um like when we were there doing work, uh this is just kind of like a cultural piece of it with work ethic.

00:45:46.119 --> 00:46:03.319
Like fathers being in the home, like in homes do a great deal for young men and kids in terms of identity and encouraging encouraging.

00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:06.359
He does have a father, don't let him lie to you.

00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:07.559
I don't know.

00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:09.879
Um Jesus?

00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:10.679
You mean God?

00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:14.119
Yeah, that is my that is my my heavenly father, is my earthly father.

00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:26.199
Um and so just like a lot of these young guys just don't have they don't have identity, um, and they don't they don't have a lot of discipline.

00:46:26.359 --> 00:46:35.159
Um and there's no when there's no sense of identity, there's no sense of basically like pulling your weight in the community.

00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:51.879
Uh like a the way I look at it is that like a present dad, like at the very least, you see your dad get up and go to work every day and come back and bitch about his job, um, and tell you to straighten up and make you go outside and mow the lawn.

00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.480
Um and that's like that's like the bare minimum, right?

00:46:56.039 --> 00:47:04.519
And then like a really fantastic one, like basically says, like, hey, yeah, you gotta pull your weight because you're part of a community.

00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.400
And if you're not adding value, then what are you even doing?

00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:12.199
Um, and so you like witness that, but when none of that's around, then none of it's happening at all.

00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:37.879
So you could be like we're sitting there like cleaning up, like a lot of these kids will like go to the church for food or like go there for help or guidance or power, even like to charge their phones, and you could be sitting there clearing up trees and stuff, and like I have a great deal of love for like a lot of these young guys that are there, but they'll just sit there and basically like holler at you, just watch you work, and just watch you work, yeah.

00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:44.119
And like you'll walk over and like talk a little bit of shit to them and stuff, but they'll just be talking shit to you the entire time that you're working.

00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:45.559
That's crazy, dog.

00:47:45.799 --> 00:47:47.719
That is absolutely wild to me.

00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:53.319
Um and outside of the disaster, they probably have jobs, like they m they would be working.

00:47:53.400 --> 00:48:04.839
But in this instance, like what age are these young men you think the ones that are because I would imagine that mom, if mom's running if mom's alone in the household, mom's putting the children to to chore work, right?

00:48:05.879 --> 00:48:07.000
You would you would think.

00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:07.559
You would think.

00:48:07.799 --> 00:48:11.639
But are you saying like none of these children show like none of them work at all?

00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:19.079
Like none of or none of them like have a sense of duty and discipline to like help clean up the community?

00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:26.599
The youngest ones in times I've been there, the youngest ones will help work, but it's just because they want to hang out with you.

00:48:26.839 --> 00:48:27.319
Yeah, okay.

00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:28.759
So they'll like come alongside and like.

00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:37.400
Like young teenager, yeah, like 12, like pretty much like it from 11 to like maybe 15.

00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:39.239
Like they'll come and hang out with you and help work.

00:48:39.319 --> 00:48:41.960
But if you're not there, then they're nothing's gonna happen.

00:48:42.279 --> 00:48:48.519
But the ones who are sitting there like talking shit and like watching stuff, like they're in their early 20s to mid-20s.

00:48:48.759 --> 00:48:48.920
Okay.

00:48:49.319 --> 00:48:52.519
Um, maybe even like 17, 18 or something.

00:48:52.920 --> 00:49:00.920
Uh and the the males who are the best and the hardest workers are significantly older.

00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:01.159
Yeah.

00:49:01.319 --> 00:49:03.159
Like they're like the pastor.

00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:05.319
Yeah, like they're in their 60s plus.

00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:12.039
Uh we had one guy working with us that he works for the church, maybe, maybe volunteers, I don't know.

00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:21.319
But he's dude, he was like in his 70s, and I had I had no idea because he's still out there with a chainsaw, like going going to town.

00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:24.199
Dude, I bet that dude is just pure ropey muscle.

00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:27.000
Yeah, like he like he's he's fantastic, dude.

00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:28.199
He's in he's in great shape.

00:49:28.359 --> 00:49:43.719
And then we've worked with guys that are in their like 60s that are just like freaking muscled out and they're like digging holes and stuff going to town, but they've like lived in those communities their entire lives and um feel a sense of like purpose and belonging.

00:49:43.879 --> 00:49:47.960
And a lot of them like had families, like closer-knit families.

00:49:48.039 --> 00:50:00.440
So it's possible that like the fatherlessness generation is more recent um as it is in the US too, like the past like a couple or few generations, you know.

00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:00.759
Yeah.

00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:04.359
Uh fatherlessness, especially in the US, hasn't always been a problem.

00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.159
Like it's it's increasing every generation.

00:50:07.319 --> 00:50:09.960
In the past few, it's been particularly bad.

00:50:10.759 --> 00:50:17.079
Um but in the long haul, it really just like will completely degrade a society.

00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:18.119
Yeah, yeah.

00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:27.159
I think uh, you know, I I don't think Mexico and Mexican culture is equivalent.

00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:28.279
It's not.

00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:39.480
Um, but when we were down in Mexico, that was one thing I remember like the first mission trip I was a part of down there, when we were really like laying the roots for what we were gonna do down there.

00:50:39.799 --> 00:50:46.199
The pastor Javier and like one dude who I don't I don't think he had a family.

00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:52.119
Just one dude would show up and sit in the church, other than like a few women and their children would come.

00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:56.199
And when we were working, one dude showed up from the community.

00:50:56.440 --> 00:51:01.079
This is in a rural community, this is Insenata, Mexico, big giant city.

00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:07.319
Um, and I think a lot of it was that the community hadn't seen the value there yet.

00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:16.679
And it was cool over time, every time we went back, there was more and more people and more and more men and more and more kids.

00:51:16.839 --> 00:51:24.759
Like, and I when I say kids, I mean like high school age that were willing to come and help out on the projects that we were doing.

00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:30.119
Um, and I remember the first time we had like contractors in Mexico.

00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:38.519
Um, and I think a lot of that though, culture-wise, is surrounding like they didn't see the value in doing that after work.

00:51:38.839 --> 00:51:43.000
Like they had their own jobs they were going to during the day when we were working and building things.

00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:51.719
And then as the church became much more of like the community saw a huge value in it, the the workers came around it.

00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:53.480
And that was the cool thing, right?

00:51:53.559 --> 00:52:02.359
Like, like you were saying, like for the first few years, outside of us, there was just really nothing Javier and his family could do to continue the projects we're doing.

00:52:02.839 --> 00:52:07.879
It was just him and his family, and they were having to run the church and the kids had to go to school, right?

00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:16.679
And so, like, but then there was started coming, like we'd come back and like a lot of work was done in the meantime while we're gone because the community saw the value in it.

00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:19.559
And I guess that's my kind of final question here.

00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:24.839
Like, what is the community's value of the church here in Jamaica?

00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:33.319
Because I don't hear too much about I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I don't really hear too many stories about the church's growth or how it's grown.

00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:39.559
And I'm wondering, like, in Jamaica, do they see like a church in their community?

00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:50.440
And is there like a strong like faith presence, or is there like a competing belief system with Christianity and they don't see a lot of value in the church as a part of the community?

00:52:51.159 --> 00:53:11.319
Because it I think it's very, you know, different across cultures on like if they're gonna place value in the local church, the local, and when I say church, the local Christian church, or if it's just there, but they have a different belief system that is more integral or culturally more popular.

00:53:11.799 --> 00:53:12.279
Yeah.

00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:21.400
Uh in in this one in particular, like the church plays a pretty big role because the people that are in that community, their families have been there for a long time.

00:53:21.879 --> 00:53:37.639
Um and there one thing I do find interesting is that with the men there and and the women as well, but more surprisingly, the men, is that there is a very high level of respect for the pastor and the church.

00:53:37.879 --> 00:53:43.000
I don't know if that's in all communities, or just this one, but there's a high level of respect there.

00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:51.480
Like there's like kind of an acknowledgement of the pastor as being like a father figure in in that community.

00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:59.319
Um now, how much people are willing to do to like help them out, not really sure.

00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:09.239
But in in a church setting, churches have always been a little bit more like heart-tugging for women than they are men.

00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:09.559
Yeah.

00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:18.119
Like even at our church, like it's the fact that there's even much of a like a tight-knit male community at our church is abnormal.

00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:19.400
Right.

00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:31.719
And so um I think that in some societies the family structure is really important, and then in some locations, the community structure is really important.

00:54:31.799 --> 00:54:34.839
And in these ones, there is very much so a community aspect.

00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:45.879
Everybody knows each other, everybody's very friendly to each other, like they all like acknowledge each other, um, like when walking on the streets, but the family units are really broken.

00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:53.400
Um not really, but they but they are broken, and and there's just a lot of like disorganization to it.

00:54:53.559 --> 00:55:04.839
Whereas, like I think in Mexico the family units are pretty well organized, and that's part of yeah, not only Hispanic, but like Hispanic, like Catholic like culture is that the family unit is really important.

00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:10.119
The women in those families are probably the ones that are more involved with the local church.

00:55:10.279 --> 00:55:20.199
Yeah, the men are out working primarily, but I don't know, but I feel like I see less of a communal aspect in Mexico than in some other places.

00:55:20.279 --> 00:55:20.440
Yeah.

00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:22.920
But the family structures are so much more intact.

00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:24.759
I think that's a fair assessment.

00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:27.239
Um, and again, I could be I could be wrong about that.

00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:37.879
Like I can't I can't say I've spent a great deal of time in smaller communities in in Mexico, but no matter what, the smaller the community, the more communal it is, regardless, right?

00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:41.400
That's why cities are just so like desensitizing, basically.

00:55:41.639 --> 00:56:02.519
The reason I just asked that is because you'd think with if the community is a Christian community invested in the church, you'd think then that would trickle down into the men having like understanding like the Christian value of you know the the fatherhood and like the role of the a man in the household and the expectations.

00:56:02.759 --> 00:56:25.960
And so that's why like I've always kind of scratched my head of like because I always hear like when people come back from these trips is how like the men are not involved, like the men are are leaving that community, and I just always kind of was like, that seems very opposite to me of if the men believe in the church and are Christian men, you'd think they'd stick around with their and like look after their kids.

00:56:26.279 --> 00:56:35.159
Well, I mean you have to consider too that similar to Hispanic communities and American communities, like the women are usually the ones that are more involved in the church.

00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:48.920
And there can be a church there, but if Christ is not the center point in a family unit, it is not going to override culture in a country.

00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:53.879
Um like that culture, that culture will dominate and take first priority.

00:56:54.039 --> 00:57:19.159
And so if the same thing has been happening for generations in men, which is uh like we see in a lot of communities here in the US as well, where the like men have a particular view of like work and families and like women, and there's not really much of a value on like if you impregnate somebody, you stick around, sort of thing, you know.

00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:37.480
Um, and so it's like the only thing that can change that dynamic is either a generational difference, which is a man being in the household and changing that point of view, which overrides that culture, or Christ doing that as well, right?

00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:48.199
Like there's so there are a lot of families, like the pastor himself seemingly don't know 100%, but seems like he grew up probably in an intact family, and then he himself did the same thing.

00:57:48.279 --> 00:57:55.400
And then some of the men that are there too that do do that, like do stick around, do have intact families and are married and with kids and stuff.

00:57:55.639 --> 00:58:03.639
So there are men a part of the church that have like begun to change culturally and like past like change the culture.

00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:06.199
Yeah, the first time that I was there, I saw them.

00:58:06.359 --> 00:58:08.519
This time we I didn't see them.

00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:12.279
Um, I saw the younger men there, but not not so much the older men.

00:58:12.359 --> 00:58:17.879
Um which it is a post-disaster scenario, so they might be working at a lot of other stuff too.

00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:30.920
Um so yeah, it it really takes either Christ or an intact family for the next generation of kids or men to see it differently than their fathers did.

00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:42.759
Um and so that's what that's why it's like generations of people separate from Christ, they don't get better, they get progressively worse.

00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:45.639
Yeah, um, and we see that here too.

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Uh, and they just go in different directions.

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But the culture culture is just so strong outside of the presence of Christ in families and communities that like it takes a lot to override what people are doing consistently.

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And um that unfortunately like is one of like fatherlessness, like is a generational problem.

00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:06.039
Yeah.

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Um, and it gets worse.

00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:09.000
Yeah.

00:59:09.879 --> 00:59:15.319
Well, I kind of want to keep this keep this episode just focused on this.

00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:19.480
So I think that's you know, a pretty good summary of the trip and all that.

00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:28.359
I guess if there's anything else, you know, Dean, that you kind of want to have as like final thoughts or anything like that, you know, give you the floor for anything else you want to say.

00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:29.879
No pressure.

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Yeah, no, I think the the I think the only thing I've got is that I do believe that um like God is trying to like raise up a generation of men that have been largely absent for a few generations now.

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Um I don't really know entirely what that looks like, but uh men kind of like swung in this like really like kind of like post post-World War II, like hardened, like hardened, like classic man sort of thing to like the the generation of dads and parents that were like really damaged, um like by like either like kind of um tyrannical almost, uh, and then now you've got this like kind of fresh generation of men and women as well that have a really open view of Christ and the church.

01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:38.920
Uh, and those ones God is like using very heavily right now.

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Like they're really, in my opinion, kind of like they have these untainted views of Christ.

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Like the pendulum swinging the other direction.

01:00:46.359 --> 01:00:47.799
The pendulum is swinging big time.

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Um that's that's encouraging.

01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:53.960
Yeah, and it's it's all it's all over the world that's that that's happening, I would say.

01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:57.239
Like you see it here in the States as well.

01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:09.719
Um, it seemed like you kind of hear this a little bit here and there, but that like the church in the US is uh shrinking in size, right?

01:01:10.359 --> 01:01:19.960
And that might be church attendance, but that's not I don't believe that that's an accurate representation of what it actually looks like here in the states.

01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:28.839
Like the biggest underground churches in the world are in uh Iran and China, which are like two of the places where they're not allowed to be, right?

01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:45.559
Yeah, um, and those populations in those countries of Christians are probably bigger than they are in the US, but the US is largely delayed in its movements because we kind of have a crappy canvas to be working with.

01:01:45.799 --> 01:01:49.239
Um so God is doing big things in the US.

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The church is not dying in the US, it's just taking time to do it.

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And in a lot of the surrounding areas, like God is doing a lot of things in the younger generation of men, including in in in Jamaica as well.

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Um, but it'll be pretty interesting to see.

01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:04.199
Okay.

01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:06.039
Appreciate it, man.

01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:08.199
Pat, you got any final thoughts?

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Till next time, folks.