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Send us a text Sirens, shouting, and a trigger pulled in under a second. We start with the Minnesota shooting involving an ICE agent and a protest scene that escalated into tragedy, unpacking why “legally justified” might not always mean “necessary” and how stress, tunnel vision, and training gaps can turn a chaotic minute into a lifetime of fallout. Then we widen the lens to Venezuela, where a cinematic extraction of Nicolás Maduro revealed the quieter logic of power: oil reserves, gol...
Sirens, shouting, and a trigger pulled in under a second. We start with the Minnesota shooting involving an ICE agent and a protest scene that escalated into tragedy, unpacking why “legally justified” might not always mean “necessary” and how stress, tunnel vision, and training gaps can turn a chaotic minute into a lifetime of fallout.
Then we widen the lens to Venezuela, where a cinematic extraction of Nicolás Maduro revealed the quieter logic of power: oil reserves, gold stores, and the geopolitics of BRICS. We cut through “40 civilians killed” headlines, explain why casualty categories get politicized, and look at the real question—who controls resources that could reshape currency, energy security, and the balance of influence in the Americas? Lessons from Iraq loom large: fast wins collapse when institutions are shattered. If stability comes, it will be earned through careful diplomacy, targeted support, and the restraint to avoid a long insurgency while keeping adversaries away from our doorstep.
We end on the ground, with handmade gifts, better optics, and a Les Mis moment that sticks—a pair of candlesticks as a promise to keep choosing mercy even when it’s hard. That’s the tension we live in: policy and principle, safety and sovereignty, headlines and human beings.
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00:00 - Cold Open And January Check-In
01:58 - Minnesota ICE Shooting: First Reactions
03:58 - Training, Tunnel Vision, And Use Of Force
08:08 - Legality Versus Necessity In Deadly Encounters
14:51 - De‑Escalation Gaps In Federal Policing
21:01 - Parallels To January 6 And Ethics
23:21 - Maduro’s Capture: Operation And Casualty Claims
29:31 - Geopolitics: Oil, Gold, BRICS, And Strategy
36:41 - Avoiding Quagmires: Lessons From Iraq
42:41 - Sovereignty, Morality, And Realpolitik
48:01 - Hard Pivot: Best Christmas Gifts
53:41 - Hunting Gear, Optics, And Field Skills
59:31 - DIY Terrain, Trips, And Thoughtful Gifting
01:04:01 - Les Mis Candlesticks And Service
01:08:31 - Gratitude, Audience, And What’s Next
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Finally wrapped cigar that's been darkened.
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A cigar that's like been the darkened leaf.
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The Maduro.
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Oh.
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I didn't know there was a cigar called the Maduro.
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Um yeah, no, there's a there's a lot to talk about.
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Uh yo, what's up?
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Uh welcome, Ken, to the Mick and Pat show in January 2026.
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Uh, we're here after the holidays, and we are gonna just do some flyover, high-level, you know, uh acknowledgement and responses to kind of what's been going on because it's been a spicy January, you know, though it kind of makes sense.
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Like happy January 6th, everybody.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, it was like uh what four years ago now?
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No, six years ago now.
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Uh that's crazy how time flies.
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Yeah, six.
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Yeah, wow.
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Yeah, um, but something you know happened today.
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There was a uh a woman who was shot and killed by an ICE agent in Minnesota.
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And uh there's a lot of uh takes on what happened and a lot of camera angles, and you know, there's a lot of opinions.
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Um, a lot of opinions from people who have never been in the shoes of that woman or that ice agent.
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Um, a lot of people who have never even remotely been close to scenarios as stressful as that.
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I think there's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking that could be done, and ultimately uh bad decisions were made, and unfortunately, someone's dead now.
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Um, I would not be surprised if that ice agent ends up quitting, you know, especially now with his face getting out there and people doxing him and saying they should be, you know, uh what is it, retribution killings for her death.
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And also, like that woman now, her partner and her daughter.
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Oh, I guess I don't know if it's her daughter.
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I know she has a kid.
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They said she was a mom.
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But now, like, they gotta, that family's gotta deal without her.
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It's very sad.
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Um, and I certainly don't rejoice in anyone's death or you know, anyone's uh suffering like that.
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That family's gonna have an awful, awful time.
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Um, and you know, my prayers go out to them.
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And uh my prayers also go out to the family of that ice agent because they're about to go through a living hell of getting doxxed and people telling them they're gonna kill them and stuff like that.
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So it's it's a pretty sad situation all around.
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Um if you think you know what should have been done and what should not have done been done, uh maybe become an ice agent, ice agent so it doesn't happen again.
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I don't know what to tell all the people who are, you know, keyboard warriors.
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But I would say as someone who's been in some pretty like fast-paced decision scenarios where you know a car driving towards me or you know, having to draw a gun on someone, like I will say that it is incredibly difficult to not have tunnel vision in those scenarios, and you are going to make mistakes.
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The hope is that you've been trained well enough that the mistakes are minimal, and at the end of the day, you make the right call and the right decision.
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Um I think that's really all I gotta say about like the actual incident uh itself.
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I don't know about you, Pat, if there's anything you want to add to it.
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I think it's it was avoidable from all sides, yeah, all parties.
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You know, and so is uh um poor training, poor de-escalation for some of the officers, uh ICE agents.
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And I will say we haven't seen the video leading up to that uh encounter, so we don't really know what was going on, you know, uh before it happened.
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Um really everything starts like basically 10 to 15 seconds before you know she is uh shot.
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And so but the you know uh it's really one of the things it's a it's a matter of big time matter perspective from one person's perspective.
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Um they were uh about to be ran over by a car and they pulled their gun and fired, right?
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From another perspective, it's um this person was just trying to leave and got shot for it, you know.
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Yeah, and uh um it I think as like and we'll see.
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I wonder like I don't know if any of these body cam footage will ever come out.
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Do are they wearing body cams?
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Um I don't think a lot of federal agencies mandate body cams.
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I don't know if they have the cams on, which in this case could save this guy's butt or not, depending on which I don't think he has a camera on as far as like what happened or not, but or it could could prove, you know, that he also was, you know, uh I I guess here's what I'll say.
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I think that he was within his rights as a law enforcement officer to do what he did, um, whether you agree with that or not.
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But I don't think he necessarily had to do what he did.
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Um, and in her situation, I think that um, you know, I don't know her intention or uh what was going on, as far as if was her intention to hurt him, was her intention to stir the pot there, or was her intention just to leave the situation and she was panicked, doesn't know what's going on.
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You know, did she see a guy in front of her or not?
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I don't know.
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You know, and when she started pulling off, I think that there's um ultimately did she comply with the officers?
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No.
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And so like the few simple if if if if a few things had just gone a little differently, would have been a totally different situation.
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If she'd complied, did what they said, she'd be alive.
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If he hadn't stood in front of a fucking car.
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If he had done it, if he had if he had operated in training correctly, which is to you know, not stand in front of because that what they're doing is they're calling it a deadly weapon.
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One person labeled it like a a terrorist attack with a deadly weapon, which is the vehicle being yeah, well, and this that's to be fair, that is also the Supreme Court's ruling, right?
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But that's what I'm saying.
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Yeah, if but so in this case, so I'm saying, yes, okay, if you're calling it a deadly weapon, you stood in front of it, right?
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So it's like it's the same thing as if so it's like if someone's pointing a gun and you walk, would you walk in front of it if you think that person's gonna shoot?
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It's like no, so if you want to define it as a deadly weapon, that's okay, you can, but then you should be maneuvering on it.
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Yeah, and so and it this all have it's this is one of things where everything happened in a matter of seconds.
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Yeah, yeah, and I think like all the different camera angles, like we were just watching them and going over them, but like it's definitely I think a uh there's an argument to be made that she may not have seen him while he was coming from around the back of the vehicle to try to like you know get around to the front of it, and she may have been like distracted by the other uh agents before pulling forward, which is then like you know, when she was shot.
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All that said, Pat, you're a boot looker for defending him or the agency at all in any way.
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Just kidding.
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But no, like, but that is the argument of anyone, right?
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It's like it this is kind of the same thing where like um, you know, and anytime you try to use experience of like having actually been there done that, it's just seen as like, oh, you're just a bootlicker.
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Like, and it's like you know what?
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I there's a lot of things I don't like that ICE is doing and how they're doing it, right?
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But also, like, I could tell you, like, there's no way in his shoes he would have known if that car was turning towards him or away from him when she started accelerating, and he made the decision to draw his gun and shoot her, which unfortunately is legally justified in this scenario due to like the context of it, which means he's not gonna face you know uh legal uh criminal punishment and uh the only consequences maybe he gets like he faces civil civil you know indictment or something like that, um, or the consequences of like mob justice, right?
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Which it's one of those things where should it have happened at all?
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No.
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Is it wrong that it happened?
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I think there's a lot of things that are wrong that happened, like that happen all the time.
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That like I can look at and be like, legally, no one did anything wrong, or like legally they they didn't do anything wrong.
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That officer didn't, that agent.
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But should it have happened at all?
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No, shouldn't he should have been smart, he should have done his training, he should have not stood in front of a fucking car, he should have not walked around from behind the car because if he had been back there when she reversed, he'd have gone down on the pavement and it then he walked to be in front of the car.
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Not a good idea.
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No, I don't know if ICE is training their agents to try to stand in front of vehicles to stop them, but I do know from my law enforcement experience, like you know, our officers were trained not to stand in front of vehicles.
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Like, dude, like you're not stopping a car.
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Like you're not, dude.
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It's a it's a anywhere from one-ton to four-ton vehicle that is gonna like smatter you over the ground.
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And we're seeing also, I mean, uh in the footage leading up to it, there's it's icy road.
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Um, cars are kind of packed up.
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Some people are trying to get around, she's letting people through, and then she's pulling forward, you know, and then she's it blocked in by some by ice vehicles, and it's like, did she even know what was going on at all?
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I don't know.
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And and that's that's why, you know, and and where why were they there?
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Were they there harassing ice agents, whatever?
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I don't know.
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Um, is it legal to do that?
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Yeah, it's within your rights to protest them, you know, whatever, but you can't you can't you can't obstruct, you can't obstruct uh investigations, but you can't obstruct the road, but you can protest, you can you can protest them, right?
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You can protest what they're doing, but you can't interfere.
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But if it's being there's a car that's having trouble getting going, she waves them around them.
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It's like, oh, we're you know, and I'm just I'm just going from her perspective here, what potentially knows it like if it was completely innocent, or even if she was like, I don't like ice, but like I'm not really trying to kill someone, I'm not trying to run over somebody right now.
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That's like, oh, wave this person around, this is happening.
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It's chaotic.
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If you hear there's like there's people blowing whistles, there's there's it's like it's like there's a lot of commotion, there's just chaos going on, there's people yelling, get the fuck out of the car, there's like all this stuff going on, and it's like I'm just getting out of here.
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Yeah, or what's the what happened?
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I don't know.
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Did the guy have time to get around the vehicle in time?
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Yes, because he did.
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And you know, but that being said, you know, it's like, and if your training is to, it's hard if you're if if the training that did lock in for him was when someone comes at you with a vehicle, you draw and shoot.
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And so as he's drawing and shooting and moving around, he's drawing, moving to the side and shooting, that's all being that all got executed in it was like one point.
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Not even a second.
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Yeah.
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Like it the the moment he from pole holster, step, sidestep, three shots.
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It was a less than a second.
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It was fast.
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It's just like, it's just shitty.
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And just like the you know, and and there's a bigger conversation of should they even be in that neighborhood in the first place?
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I don't know, whatever.
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But taking this, whatever happened, it's just like uh it is unfortunate.
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Yeah, and it's one of those things too, like you do wonder like, well, what was the instigating event because her partner was out of the vehicle talking to that agent?
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And I guess it's still I'm still assuming that's who that's that's who this person's been called, and that's who it seems this person is, you know.
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Yeah.
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Um, yeah, she was out of the vehicle talking to him, phone in his face, his phone was in her face, or something was in his hand, you know.
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I I don't we don't know what was going on before that.
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And yeah, you know, was you know, did this guy's ego get attacked a few too many times?
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And did he, you know, what what where did he also lose his own emotional control in this in this game?
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You know, because we were talking about before too, something that's important for I think people to think about is and something important for us to change in our in a probably our federal government system, uh, policing is that most federal uh policing agencies, their guys don't do anything ever.
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They never they never have to deal with like truly de-escalating someone.
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Like the people who get the most actual experience of training for de-escalating at a federal level are definitely probably gonna be Marshal Service and FBI because FBI is dealing with like actual hostage rescue team stuff.
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And even then on a daily basis, how often is a is an FBI agent going to somebody who's at a domestic violence case, having to talk them down, de-escalate, get everybody out alive, make the right decision with their own firearm, their own safety, the safety of those around them.
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You know, so the these guys, these ice agents, we don't know the levels of training or what they do or how often they do it.
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They've been getting a lot of experience lately, but I have not seen um good examples of um uh like healthy de-escalation practices.
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And I'm not even like I'm not a hardcore de-escalation fan.
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Like, you know, I'm not I don't think that everybody needs a social worker and a vest with them.
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Yeah, yeah, you know, whatever.
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Um, I do think that uh most situations can be de-escalated.
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And so it's like the I mean they and they definitely like those agents in the video, like they got out of that car hot, not not looking to de-escalate, they got out looking to control the situation, which is like that's again like something that like I I know we went over and over again in our training, and then like experientially, like I know like did not doesn't work, like especially like I tell you what, every time I came out hot, uh storming into a pod full of inmates solo, dude, I did not get the response I want.
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Right.
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But like when I came in with control and identified like a single individual and was not like you know trying to instigate or accelerate the situation, right?
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Right, but was like trying to de-escalate it and get them to be like one-on-one with me, way better responses, like not just from the individual, but like from the environment, right?
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And so like the way they got out of that car came to me came off really to me like they didn't understand what was going on, and they were just like fed up.
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And they were, yeah, they were in yeah, did they think that their guy they was this their target?
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What's going on?
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This car stopped, like, and maybe some of the stuff will come out.
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But I think and I I'm wondering, like, what would I do?
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And I'd say, like, uh, I think I'd probably comply, but in a situation where oh, I'll just say that's it's let's say it's a semi-chaotic situation, and and this isn't I don't know what happened before.
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If a car comes up to you, stops, two guys get out.
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If it happens this fast, car comes up to you, stops, two guys get out, yell, get out of the fucking car, get out of the fucking car.
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I I might punch the pedal.
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Like, like, like just like panic.
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Like you see two guys and like I don't know what I I think that because I've thought through these things, I would put my hands up and go, you know, just put my hands up, foot off the wheel, you know, can I turn off my car?
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But um, if I never thought through situations or never been in this, what would my just instinct be?
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It might be get out of here, you know?
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Yeah.
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And uh um, I mean it, you know, also like like you said, like even if you had no experience in it, it's that still might be your reaction.
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Um I mean, I certainly remember the first time I got pulled over, my first reaction was do I speed up?
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Do I can I get away from this?
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Should I yeah, and uh, you know, like in the fear, the fear there at the back of your brain.
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Anyways, all that said, one thing that I did see um that I thought, you know, was interesting is six years later, the left is kind of getting their January 6th today.
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You know, this is like a public protesting, and someone uh who is perceived to be innocent on the left is unjustly shot by law enforcement.
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And six years ago, there's the uh Capitol protests and then uh riot, and Ashley Babbitt was there, and she was technically breaking the law.
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Uh she was trespassing, and she was also, you know, um trying to get into a session of Congress, and she was shot by law enforcement that was deemed justified and excused.
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Uh, and like I can look at both of those and be like, yeah, like both in both cases, the the law enforcement officer was justified.
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They shouldn't have shot though.
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Like, yeah, legally they're justified, but ethically they probably shouldn't have done it.
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Uh and I would probably bet that I'm gonna make a bet here that this woman who was shot and killed Renee is her name, um that she was breaking the law as well.
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I I would bet my I would bet my house that she was there intentionally obstructing uh ice on that street and then trying to obstruct what they were doing uh you know and where they were going.
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Um does she deserve to be shot for it?
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In no way, shape, or form.
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Did Ashley Babbitt deserve to be shot even though she was intentionally breaking the law by trying to enter enter a current session of Congress and trespassing?
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No, she didn't.
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But here we are with like pretty much the same thing, the paradigm on both sides.
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Um, and it's gonna be used and excused over and over and over, no matter where you go.
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Um and like it, it's just it's a crazy thing, right?
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Like we we see like essentially like the same parallel almost exactly six years later.
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Technically, because of Leapier, it is exactly six years later.
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Um but uh sad stuff.
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Um, I don't want anybody die.
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It's a sad thing.
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I think a lot of I think a lot of people on the left are expecting people on the right to like meme and mock her and call her names like the way uh the left did Charlie Kirk.
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And so far I've been encouraged to not see that happening.
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I've definitely seen a lot of people like being kind of careless, being like, well, she shouldn't have she should have been like she should have obeyed them or not been there in the first place.
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And I think that's kind of a cold take.
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Um, but I've been encouraged to not see like people being in like like no one's rejoicing that this woman was shot, at least not that I've seen, right?
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Um and I I kind of always encourage people, whether you're on the left or right, to just take the high ground and not like belittle someone's uh death, um, no matter if you disagreed with them politically or not.
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But anyways, so that was uh that just happened.
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Happened today, and uh very tragic.
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But I did want to mention like the parallels between that and January 6th, and um yeah, just very interesting.
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Um not too long ago.
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Someone woke up in the morning to a very, very uncomfortable presence in their bed.
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And uh Maduro.
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The boogeyman.
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Yeah, and I mean everyone here, if you're listening to this episode, you've heard about it, right?
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Unless you're like living under a rock in the woods.
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Um, but Maduro was extradited and brought to the U.S.
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for trial.
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Um on uh if I remember correctly, I'm trying to remember the exact charges, but it wasn't like war crimes, right?
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Because we're not at war with him.
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Um, but if I remember correctly, it was uh trafficking of narcotics into the United States, as well as um some kind of like uh it's like the charge you get for destroying US currency.
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It's like defacing American property.
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I don't know.
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It's it sounded like it was honestly it was really gay.
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Like they'll charge what was like I was like really that's like what you're gonna charge him with after we just did that insane raid.
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Like that seems uh not good.
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Um all that said, uh wow, did that look like a Call of Duty cutscene or not?
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Like that was have you seen the footage?
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I've seen some of it, but not much.
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Oh my gosh, dude, watching the fucking Chinooks and Ospreys flying over and they're backlit by the explosions.
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I was like, damn, this is straight up Call of Duty.
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This is you know, and like the Venezuelan guys just speaking Spanish recording on his phone.
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And you just see the silhouettes of these potatoes flying across the skyline lit up by explosions and fires.
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Um, but it was an insanely uh precise operation.
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Um I mean it made it made our effort of the Bay of Pigs look like JV shit, which the Bay of Pigs was a total utter failure.
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Um, but like this was like I think what everyone thought the Bay of Pigs was going to be.
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I mean, they did it flawlessly, and someone might be saying, like, well, it wasn't flawlessly because currently the body count is 40 uh civilians dead.
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And it's like, well, here's the thing, actually.
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Don't believe just headlines.
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Actually, do your reading and research.
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Yes, technically speaking, 40 civilians are dead.
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Of the those 40 civilians, though, are Venezuelan military officers and uh two dozen 24 Cuban officers.
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So, yes, 40 civilians, true, they are civilians of a nation.
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Hell, the Taliban are civilians of a nation.
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You know, terrorists are civilians of a nation.
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You could say every terrorist killed is a civilian killed, right?
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But um you could say when we were at war with Germany and we killed Nazis, we killed German civilians because technically all military personnel are also civilians of the nation they serve in.
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Um except for the French Foreign Legionnaires.
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I guess that's a that's a distinction I should say.
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But um that's just like that's what's being toted is like 40 civilians dead.
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That's the body count, and there's actually no verification of that being like the true number.
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Everything I've read online is saying like uh like the that essentially the death count is made up exclusively of military personnel from either Cuba or Venezuela.
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There is there is one story I saw that is unverified of a woman who was believed to have died because she was near one of the towers that got bombed, and her daughter called family saying, I think we I think we're under attack, I don't know who's bombing us.
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But when I dug into it more, I couldn't find anything to validate the quote unquote story.
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So I will say anyone, you know, any civilian casualties, non-military who died in this, that is a tragedy.
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And uh there, I don't think there's an excuse for it.
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Like I think those families should be compensated and should, you know, the the US if they killed innocents in this, then they, you know, should should right that as best as they can.
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Um I will also say though, I'm not gonna pretend that war isn't war and nations aren't nations, and that if you're in the Venezuelan and Cuban military, and American ducks a strike to uh get your your president out, um, you're kind of fair game.
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That's just kind of the price.
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