The Mick & Pat Show - Whaling Adventures and Holiday Gift Giving

0:03 I think every conquistador had that after sailing across the sea. Oh my gosh, actually all right, speaking of that dude, guess what I was watching and listening to at till like 1 30 am last night night, before it could be anything, I had some spicy chicken that kept me up with gurgly tummy. I had bubble gut tummy and I was like there's no way I can go to sleep peacefully while this is going on yeah so I threw in a. I threw in another three poucher of zen to just get it, get things oiled up as in like a three milligram or a triple. No, a triple six, triple six, six. Yeah, the devil's sugar.

0:47 I never even thought of it that way, but it is. But yeah, no, throw in three, six milligram pouches. That's what I do if I'm like I know I need a poo so I can get some sleep, and I am not going to be able to go to sleep until this gut passes, so I'll throw in one of those and just wait until it does its magic. You can't drink coffee. That's counterproductive to sleeping. Yeah, exactly, you can't drink coffee at 1 am. Um, so, anyways, though, I uh I threw those in and I was watching mike rowe oh, yeah, dirty jobs everybody and I was watching him. Uh, you know, as he does edumacate the masses while being a guest on the joe rogan show and it was like it was clear, in an episode where joe was just like easily, you know, pretty brutally on shrooms or something, man, because he just was breathing so hard and kept on interrupting mike rowe his veins in his head are sweating.

1:37 He was just like oh my, oh my god, like he was literally like. He sounded like he sounded like he got kicked in the nuts. You know what I mean? Yeah, um, which don't get me wrong, it was a test subject, but micro was telling the true story, uh, which I watched a full, like longer, video on to get like, make sure I listen, watch the whole thing. But it's the story of the essex do. Do you know the Essex? The Essex Is it a ship? Was a ship? It was a ship. Did it explore the Arctic? No, no, this was not one of those ships. Was it an old, old ship? Give me how old is one old?

2:20 One old would be, like you know, coal. Do they have sails? That's old, old, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's sails. Okay, it's sails, all right. So that's pretty old, old. So wooden and sails the Essex. Do you know? What country did it hail from? Technically the United Kingdom, but it was coming off of Suffolk Virginia, suffolk Massachusetts, suffolk Massachusetts. So this was before America. Yeah. This is during the colony times. Yeah, so the Essex was a whaling ship. Oh, man.

3:03 Coming out of Nantucket, massachusetts, coming out of Nantucket, massachusetts, and the Essex is the ship that experienced the real life, moby Dick, and what they encountered out at the sea, and how the crew only a few survived. Uh, but essentially their experience is what you know, traveled across the globe at during that time and day of, like just crazy, insane news, and it is what led um. What's his name? Herbert melville. What's his name? The guy who wrote, uh, moby dick oh yeah, I have no idea.

3:43 Okay, all right, you ever read that, or? like journey to the center of the earth. They're like all written by the same dude, I'm pretty sure I have watched the 1950s or whatever journey to the center of the earth and I was disturbed by it on a family pizza movie night as a child. But um the uh man whaling ships, I think it's. They're so, herman, melville, herman herbert, um, yeah, do you? Know much about whaling ships. I just I don't, but I just think there used to, it had to used to be so many whales all right. So let me tell you yeah, yeah, no, this is the crazy thing. So this was like back in, like the 1800s uh, it was 1820 so it wasn't so massachusetts wasn't a, wasn't a colony of england anymore.

4:30 Okay, that was a different essex ship that was mentioning. This is a list of like, uh, various essex ships here that I'm looking at, um, but yeah, so this one, it was crewed by like a 21 22 dudes with like a captain and then like 21 crew, um and uh they were. They would go out on their whaling ships for, like, sometimes, this is, this is this is the thing that threw joe rogan over the edge. Micro would say they'd leave for two to three years long hunters, dude, two to three years, bro, before coming back from a whaling excursion. That's what Daniel Boone would do. Man Long hunters. Yeah, but these are dudes that got like wives and kids and family back in Nantucket.

5:13 I know Back in the day, like if you were going after stuff like these guys meant business Long time I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it, bro, could you, could you? I mean, there's no way you could be away from your children for two to three years and feel like a good father. No, not by modern standards, by modern standards? certainly not. I think I maybe could have done this Back in the day Back in the day, like you could have gone on a Nantucket sleigh ride. I do get seasick, so that might have been a problem. Oh, you couldn't have done this, bro All. So that might have been a problem. Oh, you couldn't have done this, bro Alright. So they, but they go off to try to find these spawning areas right and do whaling the captain. I'm not gonna spend too much time on the names. I'm giving like a glossy overview here of the story, but everyone should go check it out.

5:55 There's quite a few books written about it that are like the true ones the Heart of the Sea. And then there's another one called I think it's called beneath the heart of the sea. Both of them are based off of, like the firsthand accounts of survivors and like the letters they wrote about it. Just how freaking brutal this was. Uh, the heart of the sea. And then there was one more, oh, there was a movie called the heart of the sea, produced by ron howard. That was the one that chris hemsworth was in, um, but anyways, um. So the essex sails out of uh, nantucket. They're going for the excursion and they're not having a lot of good luck and they're getting hit by storms and it's just like sucking balls, um, and they're down like they know, like the best place to go is like the warm water in the uh, near the equator towards south america, and I'm pretty sure this is before there's the, the canal, the panama canal, of course, right, oh yeah, it's uh like I don't think there was anything at the time to get through, like you just got to sail down around.

6:52 But they get told by some guys coming back and they're like, yeah, you got to go on the other side of south america and there's more whales than you can. You know, do like like you could throw a stone and it's gonna hit a whale in the water and there was just schools of them, like schools of these whales. Just, you know, you'd look out and it was just the, the ocean. You know, really did probably have that illusion of like a massive creature's tentacles or a long serpent, because of how many humpbacks and like tails there were and like you wouldn't always see a tail breach so it just looks like this roiling black slick creature, uh, but everyone was just like you know, it's just, it's uh unreal how many whales over there.

7:37 And so they are sailing around and they got to do some repairs because of more storms and stuff. One dude abandoned ship. One dude at port is like I'm out of here, like this is not a very good hunt so far, but they get around, uh, from the south side of you know, south america, around the tip of, like chile and argentina, and then they're coming back up and as they come back, dude, they, they see it and it is just an insane, like unending pod of whales and they start harpooning them. And the way they do this, bro, they drop down like two or three sloops which don't have sails. They're just rowers, right, but the rowers, like you, only row to catch, get next to a whale and the whales aren't faster than what you can row like, they just really aren't right.

8:22 And so you would harpoon them and tie the harpoon off to the sloop and you would do two sloops or something because the whale's not strong enough to pull two boats down against buoyancy. Okay, so the whale tuckers itself out while it's just thrashing and taking you for a swim and they called it a nantucket sleigh ride because they like, at that point the harpoon's good, it's not going to come loose, right, because you usually have your strongest dude just straight up. Yeet, that thing, it's barbed in there. Yeah, and it's barbed. And then everyone just holds on to the boat so they don't go overboard while they're harpooning. And so they get this whale and they've harpooned her and they begin rowing back to the ship.

9:08 And when they get back they find out that the mate of this whale, this sperm whale mate, targeted the Essex and rammed it twice and on the second ramming it, like split open the port side of it and the essex is like sinking, like so the captain's coming back on the sloop with his other guys and everyone on is like dude, we cannot save the ship. So they pretty much hop off and like grab all the supplies they can, like tack and stuff for our eating. You know, rations, 50 gallons of water and they pretty much split the rest of the crew on these three sloops and they start, uh, trying to do makeshift, uh, makeshift, uh, sales and stuff.

9:54 Because they end up realizing, you know, with their rations of tack and water, if they ration it. They got about 60 days, about two months of rations, um, and that they got of. They have to like, grow and sail on these little tiny dinghies for about I think it was something crazy like 2600 nautical miles, because everything out there near them, island wise, is totally abandoned, uninhabited islands. No one lives on them and and they have nothing really on them other than crabs and seagulls to survive off of. And so they start going and they're having a rough time. I think before they reach the first island, another dude dies of just dehydration and they throw him overboard, sew him up in his clothes, throw him overboard.

10:42 They throw them overboard, sew them up in his clothes, throw them overboard. Uh the tack, because of the whale uh flooding the ship when it dried it was so salty attack being the, uh, the the hard, hard bread. Yeah, all right um, and so like that, that tack was like actually dehydrating them more. So they kind of were like they stopped eating a lot of it because they were just so starving and getting and it was like sorry they were. It was making them so thirsty that they they weren't hungry but they were like and going through the water too quick so they quit it. But then they become starving and they get in this island and there's like what's called some kind of I can't remember the weed. There's some kind of weed on this island that they can eat, but it's not like a very sustaining nutritious source but it is edible by humans.

11:29 And then there's like crabs and seagulls and three guys are like hey, you know what, go on, we'll stay here. Um, but you know, you guys can like, of course, have the water and rations and hopefully you'll survive, but they wasted like they literally wasted like 30 days on this island just like oh hopefully someone comes by and, um, so now they have far less time to make it to chile, and they keep going, and as they go, there's some storm occurs and it separates the three boats from each other, and after they get separated, uh, that's when it turns to all out like, just like drawing lots of matches. I'm reading some causes of death here and what happened to these people and it gets a little crazy at this point Shot and eaten.

12:16 That's exactly the person I was referring to. So here's the brutal thing that's Owen Coffin. Owen Coffin was the cousin or nephew of the captain, and so the four of them were in the boat and they drew lots and Owen drew the shortest. It was essentially match heads At this point they had been eating the dead. They had been eating the dead and now no one was dying. Yeah, because they were like well, we need more to eat if we're going to make it. And the captain was like well, this is a conflict of interest and there's like actual, like rules. This is the thing that blew joe rogan's mind the most that, um, you know, um micro was getting into, and he's like this wasn't just like made up on the spot, like you have, you get trained in these rules.

13:03 Like there are rules of how, like, if you're marooned or stranded, how to eat the eat everyone, and like you can't force the order of operations for eating it is it? is, and it's like you can't force brothers to kill and eat another brother, but like, cousins are okay and stuff like that, so like, but anyways. So the captain was like you know, this is not right, I can't do this. He's my, he's my nephew and owen, though, had was just like so done and fed up. He's a 16 year old kid, by the way. Yeah, he's like. He is reported of saying to his captain he says I actually quite like my lot, and so then they just had to draw sticks to see who would execute him. And then the captain ended up drawing and so he had to execute his own cousin. So he just had his cousin look off the one end of the ship, put a musket to the back of his head and pull the trigger and then they ate him.

13:50 But then, just two days later, another one of them fell uh to like dysentery or something like that. So they didn't even have to. If they just waited two days they wouldn't have had to kill a kid. But then they ate that guy and, uh, one ship was found like one of the sloops was found washing up to shore about a month later and there was just bone, clean skeletons in it. No one. No one else was alive. Yeah, the captain and this other guy survived because they were eating, um, one of the one of the guys who had died, and another ship found them and came to help them and they were so insane they thought the ship of dudes was trying to eat, like get their food. So they fought them off and they're like what the hell are these guys doing?

14:32 And like you know like what, how do we get them? How do we rescue them? Cause they're so feral they think we're taking away their food and by and like crazy thing about that would be like they didn't have the acronym PTSD, no Right, so they're like these guys just kind of lost it. Scurvy. Yeah, but it's like, oh my gosh, I mean, this is what happens when you don't eat oranges. Exactly so in for age perspective here those of you out there listening the captain, he was 29. His first mate, 21. He had a bunch of 20 year olds underneath him. I think the youngest kid was 14. He had 16 year olds. 17 year olds, uh, 15 year olds, um.

15:14 So I mean, I mean these young boys these are, these are young, young guys out there, um, in a crazy situation and, uh and, and, like I, as they got divided, there was some who there was, because, as you brought this up, I was thinking to myself well, how did anybody tell the story? Well, because Owen Chase gave the. That's what the heart of the sea was based on his account Because people survived Eating each other, yeah, from having to do the unthinkable. Well, well. And so here's the thing too I can't remember how owen chase and his group was saved. Uh, I can't remember if they got to shore or if another rescue ship found him, but after they were all recovered and could, like coherently inform their rescuers, they're like hey, there are three guys on this Island called Henderson Henderson Island.

16:05 It's here on the map you got to go save. That was the first Island where they left the guys. Yeah. And they were trying to, so they left part of their group. Those guys volunteered. It wasn't like they left them. They, those guys, nominated themselves to stay behind Right, so go, and if the group that goes gets back, they're gonna come get them, yeah and so, uh, they tell them, in some chileans or argentinian ships come out and go to the island and, like, all three dudes are fine, they haven't eaten each other, they're like very thankful to be rescued, but they weren't about to like die and it was one of those things that was just like so brutal, right, but anyways, that went around and the thing that was just crazy is like there wasn't a documented account before this.

16:46 This is like the first documented account of like whales having vengeance and like it being recorded and written and actual people surviving, and sure, of course, I'm sure this happened more than once, right, it's just no one lived, right, you know, those like sperm whales are massive and I'm sure there were many accounts of sperm whales, you know, turning and taking out a whaling vessel, but because that crew wasn't as fortunate, we just didn't hear about it, but anyway. So, yeah, this is what inspired Moby Dick to um. Yeah, an audio book of um, the heart of the sea, just because of like.

17:27 You know, it's such a harrowing tale and it's not glorified by any means, right is that the comes from the first mates accounts? yeah, okay owens. Yep so, and was he on the? Was he with the captain? No he got separated. Okay, but I mean he still ate a couple dudes. Yeah, but it's just bonkers, because you like you read stuff like that and then you like read stuff too about just like the other instances of like real life cannibalism that occurred and like I don't know, it's ugly right, it's nasty, but it's also like one of those things that you're like, dude, this is a fact of life. Like this happens in every single one of these scenarios of like true, pure desperation and like there's something to be respected about.

18:14 Like people, people only engage in this behavior in the most unreal, unimaginable, desperate conditions. Um, and so it like, when this occurs and it's documented, those guys live to tell the tale and they don't hide it. They're like, yeah, like you should know it's like. It's like because, like they also probably respect the dead and understand like this was an awful thing and you know I wouldn't be here today if, if it wasn't for that final gift they gave me. You know what I mean, but I don't know. I just have a lot of respect for it. I also really enjoyed that. Oh, what was it? It was a movie about the Argentinian team, I believe a Paraguay team that crashed in the Andes and they had to eat each other to survive.

19:03 It was a soccer team. Have you never heard of this story, the soccer team? I've heard bits of it. Yeah, oh, dude, it's pretty crazy. And then you have cases like alfred packer where you're like I don't know, did he eat people to survive or did he eat people because he liked the taste? right, yeah, yeah, you got the, got the, the weirdos for sure, and then you do have, you know, these cases of just dire true, pure desperation, yeah and I don't know. I guess it's kind of like one of those things like I would if I died, bro, if you and I were like stranded, yeah, and I died, you're, you have 100 permission to eat me to live.

19:45 And also, I would want you to tell people. I want you to tell people like, yeah, mick, mick died, he, he, he died not from me clubbing his brains in with the rock. He just was injured, fell sick and he told me, hey, no hard feelings, but put, put my leg on that spicig and survive. And I'd want you to tell people that, because I feel like that is still a very selfless thing to do and recognize in those scenarios, right, oh yeah. And how much do you pay penance to? it. It's an ethical gray area. I have no ethical gray area about it. I would eat people for sure In that case.

20:27 In that scenario Without people for sure, like in that case, in that scenario, in that die or need case, especially if they looked at me and they're like I love you, I don't want you to die needlessly. Eat me, yeah. To quote the gingerbread man from Shrek Eat me. That's a good drop button, oh yeah, and so, oh, my god the uh it's uh could you do it, could I? what if, like you're just like. What if I was like here, I'll pull this shirt over? me so you don't have to see. It's me, I know, I know, would I? No, could I? Yes, you know you don't think you would. No, I mean I could, like I.

21:07 I don't. It's like a, I'm taking the the cop out where it's like. I would never do that yeah but I've never been stranded for three months on a dinghy watch them like. Use this podcast as evidence against me in court when they're like we bet you killed those people to eat them. It's like no, it's truly desperation. They're like you said you were looking forward to it oh, my goodness, the uh, yeah, I mean, and I think, short of being in that something, some sort of situation like that, there's no room to dodge. And also, if you, if you actually want to get into some ethical, philosophical like type of like stuff and or like if you want to also get into and then add like spirituality into it, be like if you, if you believe that you're dead, dead's dead, there's nothing like, there's a if you, I'd say the in a case of like the souls left the body.

22:03 Yeah, this is a vessel, you know, okay. But then there's also, there's also other areas where, for other people though, where it'd be like, let's say, for someone from like a muslim faith background, where it's like you kind of gotta be buried whole to make it out on the back side right so there are like it depends on where you come from and well, and like you, you can't, of course, eat people if if you're Jewish, that's a forbidden meat. But you know, christians, I think to Peter, or was it Peter, who did God reveal the blanket and say eat consume. Yeah, it was Peter, but it didn't have a. It said all creatures. Oh my goodness, Peter's looking out. There there's some man hams, oh my gosh.

22:44 No, dude, I'm just kidding. No, but like I am one of those things like I would be like it's okay, it's all right, you're giving a new body, it's all good, you don't need this one, no more I mean I'd be doing some mental gymnastics for sure in the moment and crying about it. Yeah right, I'd be like I don't know if you cry. You'd be so hungry at that point. Oh my gosh thirsty so, yeah, no more tears in there. Um, I'd be like god. I wish that he had eaten healthier throughout his life, like all these freaking mcdoubles. Really no ass on this tainted the quality of this thing. Uh, that's funny. Um, yeah, no, I do think it's. It is fascinating, but I it's. It's a different thing to me, like, yeah, it can be morbid, but there's like a I don't know there's.

23:24 I'll say it's not as fascinating to me when you read about, like um, the people who preyed upon the western expansion, um, kind of like pilgrimages, you know, trying to go over the rockies, and there's like legit groups, just like waiting in the winter to eat people in caves, right, like yeah like that stuff is not as like fascinating to me because I'm like, yeah, that's dark, like the dark, depraved stuff yeah, and like I do. I do want to know about it because like that's, that is a historical thing to show of, like how hard it was at one point and how much our you know ancestors came over and conquered to get out, get past that. But like when it's like this one or like you know the story of that soccer team, um, just scenarios where it's like true desperation and selflessness and like people are like, like every it's like, it's like it's not an individual choice but it's a group choice of like this makes sense and I want you to live and I know I'm not going to right and it's okay and like I think, like there's just something about that that there isn't, like there is a nobility in that, like there isn't, there is, like I think it in uh, a selflessness and honor and integrity sacrifice yeah, and you should be in like that should be told and people should know about it.

24:43 So I do, I don't know, I don't want, I don't want to keep on being in a a point here, but like I think that's why it's so fascinating, to me and it's crazy because we live in a different world now where, like I can push a button on my watch, food shows up. Well, no, no, no, like like I can push a button on my watch and help shows up. That's true too. You know what I mean like, and so, versus, I mean there, there was, there's no one coming, no one knows what's happening. It's just a crazy like world back then in a wild place. And so you know, yeah, we do, we have these resources now and things, and where it's, yes, people can still get into really bad, sticky situations, like, but so, like, the next time something wild like this happens, it's gonna have to be on, like you know, spaceship headed to, like this happens, it's going to have to be on, like you know, spaceship.

25:27 Headed to Mars. Exactly Like where it's, like they find you know one guy still sitting there, but there was a lot more who came with them. I've seen that movie, yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, like where Houston just starts like hey, hey, where's a couple of the other crew? Huh, oh, they're sleeping. Yeah, um, yeah, anyways, um, welcome again to the make it past show and, as of course you could probably tell by the music, this is our holiday episode of gift giving that we do now Third year, third year of gift exchanging, giving, and I think we could probably go over just a couple of things that we think are of value to you know, a little bit of a gift guide for him.

26:17 I just feel like it's not like it's not going to be, like, you know, mind blowing or a revelation of what you could get, but it is going to give you at least some ideas and especially for anyone who's listening, who's just not in the know of how to save money and things like this for buying gifts for him, there's a lot of ways to do it and do it wisely and money and like what you're purchasing and stuff like that, and not just like get taken advantage of by like the quickest, like online offer or highest ad paid stuff. So I think a big one is like of course I'm looking forward to talking about this, but bullets, bullets is something that I hear so many miss like, construe of like how expensive it is to order them or buy them for people as gifts or something, and like it's just because people don't know where to go to get them, like bulk, for cheap and have free shipping.

27:13 You know what I mean. So, and we're also not sponsored by, like, I think, anyone we're talking about here um, you can certainly go through our amazon links to, uh, you know, give back to the show for any gifts you get for anyone. Um, but I figured we'd just do a little bit of that, so for sure. Anyways, before we uh do that, you know, pat, I just wanted to hear how your thankful Thanksgiving was and things like that. Yeah, no, the uh uh. I just Googled gifts for him. I need to back out. Yeah, I bet.

27:53 Oh my God, it's lingerie. Yeah, my God, anyways, thanksgiving, no, we uh, great Thanksgiving this year, just uh hanging out with, uh, my family, my wife's side of the family, um, and we uh, is that? the traditional like always with them for. Thanksgiving we do the flip-flop each year, same Typically. We flip-flop it and, uh, it was good. My uh, uh, brother-in-law and sister-in-law came in from out of town and uh, they uh, which is good, is good because, you know, he used to live with us. He was in town, you know, and she was in town, they and then, even like before he's married, lived with us, like super close with him, and been gone for a couple years now and so it's just awesome they're back for a week just hanging out, like it's fun.

28:38 Like there is like we were talking about it last podcast or last time we recorded, but off the podcast, which was like how there can be, like uh, people like just um, tend to regress isn't like necessarily the right word because it sounds uh negative but like when you get back in your family dynamic, you kind of go oh yeah, we did, we did talk about that, like people can return. Like you know, you're dating someone for like two years and then, for the first time ever, you go with them back home and you see them become like a teenager, just because they're like in their parents house with their siblings with their siblings and like there's like it's just, it's just immediately like reset, like family dynamic you're're like oh wow, Like I've never seen you behave this way, yeah, and so it's, which is fun too, cause then, like me and him, we just like we're making, we just make jokes, we just go back to college.

29:35 Oh yeah, we just we just mess around and it's great fun. And so, uh, it was a good time Uhgiving this year lots of little kids running around the house, wild time and definitely thankful too, they got any yep one and one on the way and so, um, yeah, it's a lots of. it's funny because their little boy, is it a little fudge or a little fudgetta um? I don't know yet well, what's about the one that's here? The one that's here is a little it's a little little fudge. Little fudge also looks like middle pat. They're like. They're like nine months apart and they just run around toeheaded like a little pat yeah, like very, pretty simple.

30:18 Well, yeah, pretty similar, like look, it's like from behind. You're like, which one is that? like all week we were like yelling one's name and it was the other one, and they was tons of fun together. The big fudge marry a blonde haired woman no, isn't big fudge burnett? yeah, but he was toeheaded as a kid. Oh, he was, yeah, just yeah, and it's and it's not, yeah, not full, not the full blonde either, like both of them. Both of them now kind of have like a little bit of dust, a little sandy blonde in there. So, yep, yep. So it was a good time and uh, it was nice to. I mean, I was thankful too, for, like, my work being a business owner comes with ups and downs.

31:00 But the nice thing is too is like when you want to take time off, like you don't have to like request time off, you just you can kind of do it. That's sick, so that's, that's still nice. And like, as the company grows, I got more like responsibilities, my employees, all that stuff like, but I'm able to also like I don't have to put it like write a request, you know, or anything whatever. So yeah. That's pretty dope. Yeah, you did some traveling or did you just keep it local. We just went down to the in-laws but my grandfather came out from Michigan and brought the hunting rifles I purchased and as well as the one he was giving to me.

31:40 Oh nice. So I just got three new guns Well, quote, unquote new. Two of them are from like the 50s and they're like primo high value man, liquor stock, uh stare and ruger um, and the other one is a hunting rifle that he uh was to me, so I didn't have to pay for that one and I was just very blessed and privileged to have those. But also he was there to have Thanksgiving with my in-laws, and my mom joined as well, since she's in the Denver area down there, and it was just great that all of us got to be together and my mom really gets along with uh, my mother-in-law and my father-in-law and my grandfather and my father-in-law probably have more in common than they don't oh yeah you know, I mean, they're both big guys.

32:40 Uh, in their careers, like they both have, you know, worked an insane amount of years in a corporate environment for one company. Um, they're both super big ham radio guys. You know what I mean. Like it's just like, it's just the overlap there of like what they can talk about is endless, um so, um, it was just really cool to just see them and my grandfather just enjoying his time and having so much uh like engagement, you know, and not feeling like there was never really much of a time where I just saw him just sitting and just waiting for excuse me someone to talk to him, right so and I just love him. you know I feel like I just don't get to see him as much because he lives in Michigan and stuff.

33:24 But it was just a huge privilege and blessing and everyone gets along. Everyone was, like, you know, a couple beers deep and there was just laughter. You know what I mean. There was no trauma drama drama or tension. So, yeah, it was a blessing. I was very thankful for it. Man, I just looked around at that table. I'm like I'm thankful that I love my in-laws, I'm thankful that they love me and my family, and like that this is not a a burden yeah, it's. It's helpful when you have like good inter-in-law relations, you know, and you can just have a fun time and and also and I love, I love, like big family events, especially when I was like little into, like, just like to me, thanksgiving should be as many people as possible yeah it's a big like christmas, like a little bit, you can like you can like shrink it down, like have that christmas morning, but like I think that the best Thanksgivings are when it's like full bore.

34:29 See, I think my in-law family, my wife's side, I think it's the opposite. I think their Christmases are always bigger because people view it as more significant. So they travel out to visit, right. So Christmas is like a whole house full of like the Billie jeans, right, and Thanksgiving is like less so like they're they're more okay with doing Thanksgiving apart and like you know very where the different different Billie Jean families, uh, uh, you know, are spread across the country and stuff. It's a. It's just one of those things where, like, I agree with you, but their christmases are massive. Yeah, you know what I mean. yep, yep, no for sure. That's good, that's good.

35:09 The holiday season is upon us and I'm I'm enjoying it. So far it's a spent. Uh. We're just in full swing for a little while here, which is nice as winter kicks in to just uh. It's funny too. Every this this time of year comes faster every year it does, man, and I'm starting to freak out a little bit. Oh yeah, like I'm trying to comprehend that it's december. November felt long to me. I think it just felt long because of, like you know, things to do with work and the season changes, and november was like the first time it got actually kind of cold enough that I didn't want to go outside. I also got a dog, yeah, um and uh, but December, just being here feels like crazy fast.

35:54 Oh yeah, I still think it's 2023. Yeah, no shit, we did lose a whole year, um, but anyways, all that said, we did lose a whole year, but anyways, all that said, things are great, thankful for a lot. Thanksgiving was good, and you know what, Pat, even though sometimes when I text you, you don't respond for days, it makes me feel like there's nails scratching at the back of my brain and I'm trying, I'm just trying not to, I'm just trying not to lose my shit, um, and even though you know, I don't know what else I'm trying.

36:38 I'm trying to find another reason to complain about you, um, all, despite all that, um, I'm trying to find another reason to complain about you. Despite all that, I'm thankful for you, buddy, and I got you some gifts and I hope this holiday season you feel appreciated because I did ball out a little bit, oh man. I did ball out a little bit, oh man. Now, within there's not a new 6R 320 Legion to fix your broken one, which, honestly, I was thinking about that today. I was like I should have just bought him a new trigger, oh yeah, I get that thing looked at Dude.

37:21 I literally have like five magazines waiting for you to fix that gun so I can give them to you and you can actually shoot. That's true. I got to get it up and running. Our buddy, rice-a-roni, has technically acquired them for us, but anyways, did I purchase your gifts because they were such good deals on these items that I also bought them for myself? Yes, yes, I did. Did I go through this box and hand select what was mine and what was yours? Yes, but still within this box is likely. I'm going to say in the ballpark of and this is not to put any pressure, because I also know that you got me a gift too- it's not about the monetary value it's crazy how we cancelled each other out last year, literally got each other just like gun props we got.

38:18 We ordered from the same website if you haven't heard the episode. It's these prop guns, but these historical. It's funny. It's these fake guns, but they look real, they feel real, you can play with them, you can pull the trigger. You can put them on the wall and stuff and not worry about someone breaking in and stealing a gun. Yep, which is why we got them for the studio. Yep, and we, uh, which is why we got them for the studio, and we, um which a side note, since I do lease this place um, they had to come in to like do an inspection the other day just like you know, and I was like, oh my God, we have. Like it looks like we have an arsenal in the office. I was like I gotta put these away. That's when you just grab this little mat prop and you just keep on like thumbing it and letting the hammer down slowly and you just keep doing it over and over until they like, and they're like, oh, okay, like well, uh, I'm just kidding, don't do that.

39:09 Don't. Don't harass people with fake guns, don't harass the sweet like lady realtor property manager, it's honestly how you go to jail, um, but, uh, but, yeah, it's funny because we pulled them out and it was the same shaped box, right? Yeah, that was hilarious. Uh-huh, it was funny because we pulled them out and it was the same shaped box. Yeah, that was hilarious. It was like I think you opened yours first, didn't you? Or did we, because I had it wrapped up. They were both wrapped. I think we might have gone same time, oh that was so funny we had Billy, our guest. Billy, I had to look at the board was he here? Billy was here for that, talking rock climbing, yep, yep, and so, uh, he was here for that well, anyways, um, I do think it's about probably two hundo ish all right now.

39:55 I don't know that for the most part, but it's just because I know the order was like they, like it's going to be one and done and gone, like super utility gift. A five-gallon can of gasoline yes, but that's not really. That's not a bad gift, but that's not really what you're after, sure, and that might not feel sentimental, but I'll tell you what, bro, if someone got me a five-gallon can like a jerry can, I'd be stoked. Oh yeah. Those things are so expensive. Like I got you this can and it's full. Oh, that would be insane. That's what I was saying, just like, honestly yeah, first gift idea Buy the man in your life a like true aluminum jerry can that can stack and has two carry handles on it and fill it up with gas and give it to them and be like oh yeah, by the way, here's some stabilizers and put it underneath the tree next to the fire, next to like those old, old, vintage leds not leds so here's the thing.

41:03 Also, though, billie Jean put something in here, and I don't know what it is. And it was a gift for the Mick and Pat show. Oh my goodness. So no pressure on Mace Windu to, like you know, give us a gift too, but I guess we'll see what it is. It might suck. What if it's? like just. Billie Jean, and it's just like literally a receipt for like how in the red, this podcast is like congratulations. Like a picture of her face and it's like I expect this to be like on the table. Yeah, I'd be fine that's true, it could be great. It's not like we film this, live we. Everything is anonymized, but all right. So I want you. What do you want? to do. You want me to open yours now, as Now that you've set it up, I'll get it going. Grab the knife out of the case here, here, here, take my caribbit Just do not cut yourself, because it is super easy to cut yourself.

41:52 The old wild knife. It looks like the gas station special, but it's not. No, dude, that's the cricket. I know dude. I love cricket gas station special, but it's not no dude, that's the cricket I know dude. Yeah, that's a good one. Cricket is actually my favorite knife company I think spider co is my favorite just because it's also in colorado headquartered. Oh yeah, I get that good asmr package opening excuse me, shake it. It could be breakable, all right, so most everything in here came from commando store, which is spelled with a k. So if you're looking to get your significant other, the man in your life, um, some cool surplus stuff. You know, things that are cheap, but military surplus and not going to break the bank, but cool products.

42:37 Uh, this is where to start. So, okay, you got to put, you got to put the box over here, so that way I can see because I don't, I don't know, right right. So here we go. So I'm pulling out, this is okay, whoa, I don't know what that is. That's. That's the billy jean gift. All right, this is a wrapped package. I'm gonna save it for a second. Okay, all right, all right, all right, so we've got this envelope came from commando store. They said sick order. Smiley face, was this you or this is something? They wrote that, so somebody took the time to handwrite yeah with a marker commando store does that most of the time they will like handwrite in their packages. So we got two stickers here, two vinyl stickers. One is go ahead, tell them pat we've got um this uh, this is a it says commando Store and this is a C4 bomb.

43:24 What all you got going on here? it's a translucent Semtex plastic explosive with a keyboard timer and it's like a great vinyl to go over just about anything go over a locker, go over a car, go over a case and you'll see why I wanted you to have that one later on. And then what's this other holy one here, saint gosling, yeah, the driver. So it's ryan gosling, sanctified like, and he's got like a. You know, I don't know exactly what everything is, because I'm not catholic or russian orthodox, but like, written all around the perimeter of it is just his best movies, uh, the Gosselin, and um, I'm a big Gosselin fan and I think you'll also see it.

44:10 Why, too? Cause you know, I see those stickers like that and I think, like, those are like the most, like, perfect, um, you know, joke of, like the beautiful girl that is a picture and you keep it in your cap in the trenches, you know. Or like, people would literally like have artistic depictions of saints and they would like, uh, tape them to their gun. Yeah, you know what I mean, or something like that. So I just felt like that was a good meme one, because you know we're not catholic and I, I think you appreciate ryan gosling, don't you? I do, I, I think my favorite character he ever was, because I don't know his name but was in Remember the Titans. He was a good one in that. That's my Gosling.

44:52 He was so young. He was so young. Yeah, he was like 19 or 20. For sure, for sure. All right, we got some patches, we got. This. First one says some patches. We got the uh. This first one says lol said the scorpion lmao. Do you know the story of the scorpion and the frog? I don't know. Okay, so I also got you this one because it's from drive. Okay, so the story of the scorpion frog, it's, you know, older than the movie, but it's mentioned in the movie, its significance. Um, scorpions on one side of the river and a frog is in the river and the scorpion, of course, can't get in the water or else it'll drown. The frog says hey, come on in, swim over. And the scorpion says no, I will surely drown. And the frog says well, I'll let you get on my back, but you have to promise not to sting me, because if you sting me we'll both drown.

45:39 The scorpion says of course, I would never sing you because we would both drown. So the frog says all right, hop on Halfway across swimming. What does the scorpion do? Can't help himself Stings the frog. The frog says why? Why have you done this? Now we will both die and drown. And the scorpion says to the frog it's in my nature. What did? you expect. And this story, of course, is a story to say, like, be careful in what you expect. If you bring a wolf into your house, you cannot be mad at the wolf if it bites you. Right, it's like you got to respect what the nature of things are. Oh yeah, it's so overblown and like badass bad boy. You know culture.

46:21 Uh yes, and it's quoted on so many things that it's become cringe. So now they're making so now this was better. Yeah, it just shows a scorpion on the back of a frog and it's lol, said the scorpion, laughing my ass off. I just, I just think, like I think that's a great patch and it's like there's also nothing more cringe than like a motto patch on someone that like has never done anything. Motto you know what I mean. So that's a good one. I feel like you could go on your plate, carry, you don't have to worry about looking cringy. I agree. Like this next one, it's just fact checker yeah, like, why have a? why have a stupid call sign, like you know, punisher, when you could just have a like identifier in the back of on the back of your plate carrier?

47:05 So everyone looking at the back of you knows what to call you and your title is fact checker or like saying like law enforcement yeah, nothing's, nothing's cringier than like when you're on the range and you got your vest and like someone sees that you have a law enforcement patch no, for sure, so it's yeah, I like it, I like it, so it's yeah, I like it. I like it, yeah, it's good Cause then it just it takes the wind out of the sails those people. It makes it's going to make people reevaluate their decision-making. I think I've told you mine. I have one that's just called silly goose. Yeah, and I'm like no better way to dislike. You know, even if I'm doing something bad-ass, people will appreciate it. If I'm doing something where it's not badass and I look like a dork, yeah, well, of course I look like a dork. I'm a silly goose because you got to make a little fun of yourself.

47:48 Yeah, the amount of money we spend. There's no room for ego at the amount of the amount of accessories we buy. Yeah, the amount of time we spend talking about the what ifs. For real, if you can't also take a second to be like I'm not a mac v sog operator, I never will be. I never was. You can't admit that you're an enthusiast, then like you got some ego stuff exactly for sure. Next one classic catchphrase I'd rather be fishing, bro. Do you recognize the? the hat on that little guy I I recognize the height of the hat yeah yeah, I felt like.

48:29 I felt like I don't know if pat would really wear this hat ever. Uh-huh, pat, pat, I haven't really seen you wearing meme stuff other than hockey jerseys to church this is a trucker's hat that is three times the size of the height. I wear it out it's like a 10-gallon hat. I wear it to the range. Yeah, but I figured you would wear the patch of a little guy fishing with the hat on. Oh, definitely I like it. I would rather be fishing. And you could throw it on like I think there's Velcro stuff on fly rod cases, isn't there? Oh yeah, like cases isn't there? Oh yeah, like this is like this might like this might go on the on the gear, on the old fishing gear. All right, we've got some. Uh, no, no, pick up that mask, pick up the fucking mask.

49:10 So so this, this, this, will get you jail time bro, so I saw this available at commando store, did you? see the new batman with robert pattinson yes, yeah, so this is this is the green mask at the riddler war in that movie which is actually a soviet, issued um anti-freeze, like it's a cold weather mask, so that way you can wear and be warm but still see and still talk and breathe without fogging anything up. Oh my gosh this is hilarious now the only thing you can unbutton it to blow your nose, yeah yeah, or unbutton it to like kiss each other we could kiss right now you can open the mouth.

49:52 Maybe that's for eating more than kissing, can you do? me a favor, though. My melon is so big, can you put it on? Can you put it on, bro, because I I could not put it on my my head is too big, okay for for some more, uh, if you if you took soviet cold weather, if you took. Russian mask meets luchador and bdsm like the gimp for real, oh it's so I gotta take the headphones off. Here we go, all right, here we go. Dude, this is awesome. Oh my gosh, I don't know bro billy gene can definitely sew and extend those straps if need be. I think it's gonna fit over you, oh my gosh dude. That looks like a like a glove. It smells like the army navy surplus.

50:34 Is that kind of muted. Do I need to? uh no you sound great. Oh yeah, yeah, I think I think you should open the flap. It opens the flap when it talks to me. It opens the flap. Wow, look at the. It's unsettling because it really is just your red lips puckering through the box. All right, I got to take a picture. Oh my gosh, this is a. This is great, though no one will know who you are even if we post this, it's so hard to get on. It truly does fit. Uh, fits perfectly. Um, will I be wearing this to lead worship next sunday? only if it's like, probably not like, as I lay dying songs. Oh my gosh, this is a bro.

51:15 You look gnarly what does? It feel too tight. Once you get it on, it feels it, feels right it feels snuggy I think I should wear this skiing that's his thing, yeah, yeah, like it's. It's designed for cold weather and like you can wear goggles without fogging up. But oh yeah, just so you know what you look like oh my gosh and there you go. There's a. I look like the riddler. It's honestly like I would not recognize you. Bro, you put that on. You don't look like yourself at all. That is disturbing. That is a rowdy mask. I think you should wear that for the next hunt, bro. I think that will let everyone know how serious you are and how long you're willing to wait out there in the sticks, hey.

51:59 I'm willing to wait, and this I like it. I like it. I like it. Okay, all right, cool, you get. I give you permission to take it off. Thank you, you're, yeah, as your master um uh-oh, there you go. It's barbed under my I don't. Wow, that is unreal how much it changes, like what I perceive your face to be. You know, there's a button, yeah, yeah, there's buttons on the buckles. Oh, that makes it way. That is unreal how much it changes what. I perceive your face to be oh, there's a button, yeah, there's buttons on the buckles. Oh, that makes it way easier to get it on your head. Yeah, I just wanted to watch you struggle. I couldn't get it on my head, dude, my head is too big. There's a button that makes it easier. Oh my gosh, I started to panic that it wasn't coming off.

52:42 All right, we got the mask, it's like the actual Jim Carrey the mask. Oh yeah, all right, we've got some what appears to be tape Now. But look at it, it's got it's fancy tape it's non-adhesive tape. It adheres to itself and it's what's known as Kybar Pass Tape. It adheres to itself and it's what's known as Kyber Pass Tape. If you look this up, look up in your Googles real quick Kyber K-Y-B-A-R Pass, which is a mountain pass in, I believe, iraq that became famous during iraqi freedom. But this tape is used often to tape significant uh firearms to have a certain flair and flavor, flavor and recognition and personal personalization to it, without actually damaging the, the firearms, yeah, uh furnishing and a lot of people.

53:40 What was very common is like Iraqi troops would tape pictures of Saddam Hussein on the stocks of their firearms Okay, it taped us over. But also the troops that were supported by the US would be taping things like pinup girls and US stickers and things like that and collected in memorabilia and you would. You could see, if you look up kyber pass taped ak's and oh, yeah, firearms. You can see like they're legitimately like a, a story of this person, like what they believe, what they find funny, what they hold dear, because the tape is see-through it's different colors, but it's translucent and so stuff shows through it and it's very grippy and it adds a grip to it, which also like there's also people using it on their tools.

54:27 Yeah, they're throwing it on their hammers on their drill bits. Yeah, this is cool stuff. So I bought that one as a five-pack of different colors and I also got myself a St Gosling sticker, self a saint gosling sticker, and I think we should just pick, like you know, the janky deus or like you know whatever guns we want, and just tape our saint goslings on the stocks you know what I mean, or something yeah, and I just, I don't know it's cool. I haven't used it at all, but I thought it would. It'd be fun and it allows that flair. And I mean and you and I, I think, have been we've talked about our firearms. Like we have, have our firearms that we're like hey, this is a queen and this will not be, you know, there will not be a speck of mud that gets on this gun.

55:12 And then we have our other firearms where we're like this thing is a meme and it's okay for this thing to have goofy stuff on it. Definitely, definitely. And this tape is sweet also, like I'd say too, like for the queen also, if you want to protect if you're willing well, I'd say willing, but it'll protect it too, like it probably will, I mean, I bet if you put it over like a wood foregrip, like if you put it over the wood stock, or foregrip of a hunting rifle. I bet it would leave like a weird looking wear it could leave some wear Like a sunning. You know what I mean For sure. But this is like a seven mil thick, like tape. Yeah, that's some serious business.

55:52 So I thought that'd be cool and I also thought, just because you're more of a blue collar handyman than I, you could also personalize some stuff to make sure sure new guys aren't freaking grabbing your tools. That is a rule in my shop. You can grab those hammers, not the hammer that has a picture of Saddam Hussein taped around the handle. Exactly, and what I do here at the shop is I make guys say like you have to tape your tools, Because I provide tools and so I'm like, if it's your tool, you tape it, and by your tool I mean it's still my tool. Yeah, it's like you bought it.

56:33 It's the company's. But if it's the one that you want to keep to you, you better tape it. And especially if it really is your personal, like you bought it tool, you got to tape it. And especially if it really is your personal, like you bought it tool, you got to tape it up Because it'll get mixed in. Well, because here's the rule, just straight up. This is like blackjack the house always wins. If there's no tape and it's not labeled, it's mine. It's mine. Exactly that's what I tell my guys. It's like tape measures, whatever, especially like little things that always are walking off. So I like it. The kyber tape all right, here we go next, going with this one. All right, open that up, there's a big one. We've got a uh, it's, it's a flag, but it's packaged up and folded. This is this is something I really thought you'd appreciate and would love to hang up here or down in the warehouse it appears to be some uh, is this uh chap japanese?

57:23 That's a little racist. How about you turn the flag around? all right do you know whose flag? The blue, yellow, the blue and the blue and red pepsi sign. Pepsi is korean, it's korean, it is south korean. Yeah, now, let me hand it to me. Hand it to me and I'll hold it up, you can tell me if you recognize the silhouette, make sure it rubs against your microphone as much as possible. It's a man holding a weapon Silhouette. I want you to look up. Rodney king writes rooftop korean okay, yeah, yeah, all right, it's the silhouette, it's him the rooftop korean and in korean it essentially says something like along the lines I can't remember exactly, I'd have to look up the product description, but it has.

58:14 For those of you at home of course don't know what we're talking about, it's a flag with the south korean colors behind it and the silhouette of the famous, infamous rooftop Korean photograph, and then the Korean on it literally says something along the lines of like you know, fuck around and find out which, for those who don't know, roof Koreans. Rodney King Koreatown was essentially abandoned in Los Angeles during the Rodney King race riots and police stopped responding to a ton of calls and because their businesses were being looted and people were being hurt, the Koreans of Koreatown banded together, grabbed their firearms and they started hanging out on their rooftops and they would just shoot at any car that started coming in too quick, essentially just creating, like you know, a checkpoint right that we have on our modern military bases right, and they would give warning shots and if that car kept on coming, it was free game and the police didn't even go in there to like charge anyone or traffic anyone, because the police knew one.

59:22 They were outmanned, didn't have the manpower and the gangs the gangs themselves said, hey, leave korea town alone because they will kill us, right, and it's like we cannot stand up like they. They are squared away, yep. And so the rooftop koreans are a classic example of like the second amendment for immigrants, yep and locals in a situation where law enforcement was not coming to help them, law enforcement actively abandoned them and they were able to take that and protect their community. I don't think there was a report of like an actual like killing. They got into some insane shootouts you can see these videos on youtube of like the rodney king riots and the roof koreans and some insane, insane, uh, gunfire exchanges with some gangs, but I think all the gang members just kept on running away and no one was actually killed.

1:00:12 Um, yeah, I'm not sure about it's been years since I've read the actual like documentary reports on it, but all I said, just an excellent example of the second minute going to good use, and it's a beautiful flag, ain't it? It's sweet, I like it. It's sweet looking and what I like too about it is just like you said, the biggest things about it were like whenever it comes to those, whenever I see pictures of those guys on the rooftops protecting their stuff, cigarettes hanging out of their mouth. Yeah, it's just like. They look like such peaceful people. Yeah, they don't. They're not like they're, they're men who've been pushed to do what they have to they don't want to do this, but they've.

1:00:54 It's happened. Now they're gone down into the basement, they got their stuff out of the drawer and it's time to do what they have to do. Um, they don't want to do it, but they're gonna do it and they're gonna protect their stuff. They're gonna protect their well within their rights, and it's just um, yeah, the wherever you stand on, you know the riots or whatever you know, but uh, listen, you don't get to just take people's stuff and ruin their livelihood. You don't just get to make victims out of the whole community. Yeah, no, for sure. Anyways, next. Thing. All right, I think, is this the Might be the final. There might be another thing, but I think this is the final piece of the puzzle.

1:01:37 Now you're looking at it. It's a multi-cam Yep Rectangular shape with some buckles. Yes, Do you know what it is Already? I was trying to see if it does it open. It does a little bit it does, but it's supposed to open, is it? Supposed to be open. You can open it and look in there. What's in there? It feels like there's some foam. Some dense foam yeah some foam, some dense foam, yeah yeah, dense foam. Is this dense foam supposed to be replaced with a different piece of something? Nope, that is not body armor, all right, okay, I want you to stand up, all right? All right, look at the buckle going across it horizontally. Oh yeah. And unbuckle that one it's a crotch pad and then now put it behind you on your keister.

1:02:27 Oh is this a and wrap that buckle around to the front. Oh, this keeps you warm. It's a butt pad yeah, dude, it's a butt pad so that way you can sit your ass on a rock and hold position for a long time. Yeah, dude, this is sweet. And then the vertical buckles buckle into whatever backpack or plate carrier you got yeah on the back end. That'll keep you. Here's the deal. Tell me that that's not all like actually a very cushiony pad. No, it's great, because the first of all, you want to be dry, like the first issue is dryness, and so this covers that, and then you know then you want to be comfy, and then you want to be dry, and then warm, and then comfy. These are apparently like the surplus ones coming out of the Ukraine-Russia war.

1:03:08 Oh, yeah, because Eastern Comblock vehicles are renowned for being so uncomfortable to ride in and breaking tailbones when they hit bumps. Oh my God that everyone is wearing these over there. Okay, but now of course, of course, yeah, are we going to be in eastern comblock uncomfortable vehicles and technicals? No, of course not. But I put mine on and I did like sit for quite a while. Um, and I I recognize immediate difference in like, my ability to be in a like, essentially like a, a still reconnaissance position or just a hunting position that's what I was gonna say, because when you're elk hunting out there in the snow yeah bro, I do.

1:03:50 I bring a butt pad with me, but it's in my bag. I gotta pull it out if you have something. That's kind of like dude you don't have to do anything easy to flop down it's buckled to your bag. Yeah, you just sit down and you're protected. You could hang out for a lot longer. Yeah, I like it. That's awesome. All right let's open the Billie Jean one. All right, here we go. This says this is about a three by three square. Yeah, says to Mick and Pat from Billie Jean, and I've got to be careful with it because I don't want to. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. She, of course, talked it down. She's like is that crazy or anything, and I was like, okay, whatever, all right, oh, what is this?

1:04:36 Wow. On first take, it appears to be some kind of bandana or flag or like a I think I know where she got it from. Let's see. All right, it says sound of a good time. Sendero Provisions oh yeah, okay, all right. So Sendero is a company we found. Oh, look at it, it's like cracking a beer open, yep. And it's. Skeleton Cowboys Wow, that's sick. Spirit of the west, soul of the wild, uh. So yeah, sendero is this company we found it's who makes this hat. Actually it's triceratops wrangler, and they just make a lot of sick graphic design, uh, two-tone, three-tone, uh, illustrations for I don't know, just like kind of modern western, and we've just been loving it and buying stuff from them a lot.

1:05:26 You should check them out, senderocom. They're not a sponsor, but we love their stuff and the designs they make and it's pretty high quality and that is. That's cool, it's a cool bandana, yeah, and it fits the vibe of the Make and Pass show. Well, especially because it's got like those bolts that are, of course, like radio waves, yep. And then there's the crack Yep, that's kind of radio waves, yep, that's pretty sick, that's pretty sick I like it, dude, we got two things to hang up. Now it's a fit Two more things to add. It's a fit Wow dude, Pretty dope. Overall. Pat, how do you feel? Do you feel like I? Do you feel known? I feel good. No, I feel like I got some sweet stuff.

1:06:06 I'm excited to uh also, cause I feel like some of these things I got like with, like the patches, now it's like now I gotta like I feel like I gotta go get my crap together, yeah, but like, yeah, but in a good way. It's like I gotta like I gotta figure out where these patches go. Yeah, these patches go, yeah, exactly, you gotta like gotta get it all going. It's sweet, always love surplus stuff and uh, um, I don't know how often I'll wear the mask, but I will well that one was more of like a. You know that one was more. I mean, I don't I. I respect the privacy of and intimacy of marriages, right, and I have no need to know, but it is one of those things of like you never know when you're going to be car broken down freezing your ass off.

1:06:48 I got to walk. I got to have 30 miles and you're like oh my God, that mask. That's a total meme. It's in my trunk. Here's one time I definitely will use it. I've been waiting for this moment. I still have to wait years and years, but when my boys get into airsoft someday, oh yeah, I've decided I'm going to just go all out on all this stuff you're gonna traumatize them yeah, because I'm just gonna have all the nice cool stuff they'll tell their friends at school. They're like yeah, my dad was like normal dad and then he bought us airsoft guns and then he changed. Exactly. And so like when we go out with their friends, you know, like in Timmy's out there, and then all of a sudden Timmy like especially, like you know, the kids who don't follow the rules.

1:07:30 Oh yeah, yeah, they call their hits. Yeah, exactly so, like, yeah, so, anyways, like I've seen this kid get hit four times and he hasn't responded, yeah, he hasn't responded. Yeah, guess who's coming out of the woods now? Exactly me and this freaking mask. Yeah, you know, and I'm gonna get after him. So no, but I think all this stuff's sweet. I'm looking forward to putting it to some use, because there's some. There's practical use and fun use. So I like, I like to be able to like also like as a adult now, like it's good to get gifts that encourage you to have fun yeah, yeah, and I mean I think that's the kind of the whole whole thing. When you reach kind of a certain age, you recognize it's like not everything needs a purpose, but it's awesome if it has a purpose and it's fun for sure.

1:08:13 But all right, man, I'm reaching in here into this bag. So what, what am I, do I? What do I do? Do I reach in? Do I look in first? I think you can. There's a little bit, there's one piece of tissue paper so you can just pull the tissue paper and then you can for this gift, just then, just should I like, feel around first so I can take a guess. feels ropey. What is that Kind of a hollow barrel? If you can't guess, I'm glad. Do you want to guess before you pull it out?

1:08:54 I feel smooth, smooth, like softer fabric strap of some kind. I'm kind of worried. Something more metallic in a round knob this is really funny to you, bro. Maybe not metallic hard plastic in a round knobbish, round, knobbish, then a barrel and a rope and a loop. All right, I'm pulling it out. All right, what if I don't know what it is? Will you be hurt? Will your feelings be hurt? If I actually have no idea what this is, I'll be even more excited that's fine okay, okay, okay all right, he's unveiling it.

1:09:44 Hold on, hold on my yeah, all right, so it's definitely threaded paracord, some kind of harness thing. Oh, wait, okay, wait, wait, hold on, hold on. Is this a duck call? Yeah, oh, because we're going duck hunting. There you go. Okay, all right, sick bro, oh Okay, what do I do? What did I do? Okay, don't lose the top part, don't lose that thing, don't lose the reed, just grab that and put it back on. He folded down and immediately took it all the way apart. Bro, how was I supposed to know what it is? Just by feeling it blindly. Because I've never been duck hunting, that's fine.

1:10:25 Am I good? You're good now. How do I give it the call? Do I put this on? Alright, so I'll show you. So you put it around your neck. There you go. So it's a neoprene neck brace with the lanyard for you. You got your duck calls. You got a duck call on there, and then you also have a pintail whistle or a six in one whistle six in one because you can do a lot of stuff with the little whistle this one yep, and then the other the duck call. So I'm going to like so yeah, give it a little toot. That's actually not bad right there A little, a little a ducky marshy sounds.

1:11:08 Hey, I got a. I got a turkey call and I realized it's all in the subtlety of the turkey. Call that I inherited from a box. So what else do you do with this, do you like? tap it, do you thumb it? What do you do? There's a bunch of different noises you can make with that. Yep, yep. So that's a drake whistle or a six and one whistle, or a pintail whistle hell yeah um, you can make a couple different sounds. That, and then the the other call is just a classic. Is this what made duck dynasty this um? nope, not that one, but it is. Uh, it's a, it's a good beginner call, because here's the deal, I'll tell you this too you don't get to use this for like a year. You have to practice.

1:11:49 I have to practice for a year. It's a practice a lot before you're allowed to use it when we're live, and this one's the duck call. Which end do I put my mouth in that side? That side, yep, and so give it your first instinctual. Am I lipping it like a cigar or am? I like blowing on it like a trumpet, do lips go? in or around, around Around. I bet A little bit, well, yeah. Is that right? Yeah, yeah, you're looking at me like I'm a dork, I thought you were about to give it a little natural. All right, a little bit more, a little more. Now say woot, woot, all right, getting closer.

1:12:30 So that's a hen mallard, call, that's the. Hey sexy, come over here, call. So do you want me to show you the? So here me see, and I'll, and I'll see, I'll give you the call. So, so, um, show me. Mr mixon, want to get into the? water master jedi and so we'll try to not so that drake whistle he was on, so you know you can do little like teal, like dude paul's gonna Dude Paul's going to love this. You can also, is that? like a humming while you blow. Yeah, and so that's like you've probably kind of heard that.

1:13:12 Maybe you've heard that in like a marsh before, like in a movie before. You've kind of heard that. What bird is that? It's actually a Drake Mallard, drake, mallard, so Mallard. Okay, so like a green head duck makes that noise. Then you have your duck call. Try not to blow out the mics, but you got. Oh wow, whoa dude. That's crazy. People are not going to think that's real. People are going to think you put in sound effects. Yeah, so that's the duck call. How much of that is the method of blowing versus the way it farts on your hand?

1:13:58 The hand is just accent, but it's like the. See, all right, you're not putting your lips around it, though You're putting your lips against it like a trumpet. Well, it's your bottom lip so you're not going all the way in the mouth, so you let me just mouth that thing like a cigar and you were just like, yeah, all right, whatever, I just want to see your first natural thing, but your bottom lip is under, your top lips over, and so you have these. Uh, anyways, these are two like most basic like duck calls. You can do a lot with them, you know, and you can see if you can get the ducks to come, and what's awesome is like ducks are a very responsive animal to calls, and so it's super fun.

1:14:40 I can. I can go to like just the park and practice this. That's what, that's how. I, is that legal? It's totally legal. You can just sit there, and what I do is I sit there and listen to the ducks and then try to make the same noises as them. And then just yeah, just that Dude that's like uncanny how accurate that is and so, and, and, like, I'm a average caller, right. so there's some guys who really like get the, the whispers, the full the whispers, and there's, then there's competition calling, which is like, like the, so like, so I'd say this it's like the, because this hen mallard call that I was just doing that. That's like you're trying to call in the ducks, like, hey, big boy, so are you?

1:15:25 Hey, come over here, I'm a female duck yeah, so I like. I just, is there a word for female ducks? Hen, hens, yeah, hens and girls, and I kind of do, I do the like um, like hey, potential missionary you know, and then the competition callers are like, are like I don't think ducks can do missionary. But then the competition callers are like porn hub screaming. Oh, I get what you're saying. Like you know, so like anyways you. You were like a yeah, good, tried and true over here nothing. This is what it is, yeah and then, like the competition callers are like this is a fantasy yeah, it's like this will.

1:16:10 This is not real. If you get, if you come over here. You're an idiot for believing in it in the first place. Oh yeah, oh yeah. The competition, all these noises and things you know, coming out, coming out. That's sick as hell, bro. So anyway. So this is like your. You know your intro to. You know waterfowling, the duck world Wanted to get you your first duck hole and a lanyard to go with it. I genuinely think like this right here was nothing I have ever given any thought to, was nothing I have ever given any thought to, and I recognize now that this is probably more likely to get me to go do it than even getting like a new gun right you know what I mean like like it's all of a sudden, like I just feel, like I realized, now it's in my grasp and everything else like as long as grasp and everything else, like as long as I mean, everything else is secondary, but like I don't know, it's pretty sick dude.

1:17:06 Thank you, man. So there's some hunting gear. It's a and I love about waterfowl and duck hunting with the in the call in particular I wanted to get you cause there's a couple other pieces of gear. I thought about. The cool thought about the cool thing about the call is how it's such a, uh, um. What I love about duck hunting is it's such an interactive. You know sport and hunt and so talking to the ducks, getting them to come in, um, and so that's where you know a duck call is, you know it's just cool, it's wild. The first time you know you do the ducks flying by they're going away from you and you toot that call the right way and they turn around and come back to you.

1:17:49 You're like, oh my god I just made. This wild animal just came back to me. Yeah, doesn't work every time, sure, but when it does it's awesome. And uh, whether it's your first time or your 50th time, it's just you're excited when the ducks turn. So, um, you've talked, I want to get into it. I thought that'd be a fun, you know. Piece of hunting gear. Yeah, no, I mean, and that is like the thing, though, too is like immediately when I recognized what it was, I just had like a that triggering thought in my brain. I was like wow, like this is like a cool new experience, because, like I haven't, I didn't even put like two thoughts into getting this, you know what I mean Like cause I guess, like every time I've gone hunting with someone for like coyotes, or even shadowed um, like what they were doing, um, they've always had all the calls and I'm just there to kind of either be in support, you know, or whatever, and so I just think that's pretty sick dude and it feels, I don't know, it feels purposeful, like it feels like, like I said, it feels like now I'm really motivated to go do it and like I feel like I could contribute.

1:19:04 motivated to go do it and like I feel like I could contribute. Now, like you said, though, I I recognize it takes practice to build that skill and and that's and it's probably not helpful for me to come out and just start blowing on it right, and and that's actually also why I got it for you, because it's a cool, like rite of passage. The duck calls a rite of passage and the blind, so it's like like you like, hey, you fudge. Give them the duck call exactly like that's a big thing when you finally are like the guy who's like in charge, like there's a hierarchy in the duck blind. There's a guy in charge. Usually, depending on your friends, you know there's someone who's like okay, like it's making the call on the shots or calling the ducks and like so it's a you ever biff it like you ever get like someone's like? hey, pat, give him the call. Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh, for sure, all the time that's so funny whether either like what's that feel like operator error, yeah, just like totally messing it up, or like you've been sitting too long and there's like like spit in there and so it's like frozen and you'll be like, oh, wow.

1:19:58 And so then the call, instead of being that duck call, like, and then there they all go, and so you mess it up. Um, but it's funny, it's a but what the cool feel. So what I think too is and like every time, all the new guys, we all have duck calls, and it's funny too, because, like whenever I start calling, somebody else wants to toot on it and it's like not time yet you know, like you haven't, you haven't like done the thing and I think you're called down boy exactly. And so then that's, I think that people in the world we live in there's like this thing that'd be like, oh, like in in in all areas of the world we live in, not just like ducking or something people are like everybody gets to play, all inclusive, everybody, all the time, same level playing field.

1:20:43 It's like it's okay to actually be like there's a cast not not, not in, not in like big, big areas of life, but in certain places it's okay to be like listen, there's a hierarchy, there's a chain of command and you get to earn your way into that spot. And if you'd get given that spot day one, it'd be worth nothing. But when it's year two of duck hunting and you're like getting to do it now, that's way more special yeah, for sure, without a doubt. And it's like, I think, like the equivalent for like people who aren't hunters and stuff it. It's like who's carving the turkey at Thanksgiving, who's wearing the Santa hat on Christmas Day, who is saying the prayer before dinner Exactly Like I will.

1:21:29 You know, I know for a fact that like those are things that like in my family and other families I've seen are steeped in tradition and like it's a rite of passage to be given that opportunity I remember for I I still remember the first time I really felt like my grandfather trusted me with, like praying for, like the big family thanksgiving and I was like, oh, okay, and it was his right, yeah. But then he said, hey, mick, can you bless the food? And it's like, oh, that's special right. Instead of just like, all of a sudden he was like, hey, people, this year it's up to me.

1:22:09 Hey, old man, how about you handle it Exactly? No, it's a rite of passage, it's a thing, it's a way to show somebody that I trust you, you've done what you need to do, you've got this, you know, and so that's a. That's what I love about the duck call, too is like it's a great piece of hunting gear, super cool, something you can work on, something you can practice. But also it's a little bit of a, and being given your first duck calls right at passage, as well as like the first time you get to be like all right, like call with us, let's call them in, you know yeah, well, I mean, I do. I mean, like you know, and I'm saying this, man, in all sincerity like not blown smoke, but I do feel I don't know what's the word maybe not privilege, but I just feel, considered, like this takes forethought, like and especially hearing you explain it like recognizing, like okay, like, yeah, like this is going to take time and investment on my end to practice with it.

1:23:07 And this is a symbolic investment of you saying, hey, here it is, practice with it, because one day I'm going to tell you to use it when we're, when you know, when you, when you're coming on a, on a hunt. So I just, I think I appreciate that a lot, dude, um, and I look forward to it. Now I'll say this too I was thinking about this more and more because so many of our friends have had such successful hunting outings this year that I'm just like bro, I just I don't even care about bringing my gun or having the ticket for it Right, the tag for it. I mean I just want to go, yeah, like I didn't just keep like shadow people Right, cause I'm, I'm just like everyone had such success this year.

1:23:52 I feel like of, like our circle. Oh yeah, like you know I was. I was so envious of like some of those picks and I was like, wow, man, some guys really like got away with like the deer and the elk in one year and they're getting ducks and they're getting feds. And then Paul's in here just like freaking sleeping beauty, snow white. Every animal comes to his beck and call whatever he wants, but anyways no for sure, for sure, and I think it's a. Hunting is a sport that's been growing and growing the last handful of years too, and uh, it's a. It's a cool thing. It's a good way to connect with the way we subsisted for a very long time and nowadays we get to do it in gore-tex with incredible firearms and apps apps on your phone that help you and stuff but at the same time, it's still like it's one of those ways that you really connect with.

1:24:56 You know, um, the how we got around, how we did stuff, and you know not to take away from like other outdoors things. You know, like people love to hike and camp and backpack, but like part of me is always like that's cool, bro, but you know why people used to do that to get to their next place or to next meal or their meal. It's just like to me like backpacking is fine, but I'd rather backpack to hunt you know, hiking is fine, but I'd rather hike to hunt or, you know, like that sort of stuff. So I think that hunting and I think hunting is the pinnacle of outdoorsmanship and other people would disagree maybe but at the same time, like it is the like in back to our conversation about like animals and and man's relationship to them, like we take their life, we subsist off of it, we've, you know, and people have problems with that, but at the same time, like hunting is a way that you can um show an animal ultimate respect for their existence.

1:26:09 I think there's certain animals that exist to be eaten because, like they taste so good, but, you know, and so it's like, it's like the they're just, I do believe that man has dominion over uh creatures, yeah, and with that comes responsibility, and so we're responsible for how we take care of them, how we um manage them, and they are ours to um to have and to take care of, and part of that having is eating them sometimes, you know. Yeah, no, I mean that kind of almost. You know I'm making a little bit of a leap in connection here, right, Mm-hmm. But that goes full circle to like what we opened up about, right, the whaling industry.

1:26:55 Mm-hmm. And you know that was before crude oil had been pulled up from the earth, mm-hmm, and when countries ran off of whale. Yeah, and a lot of people just don't recognize that. And what we do know today, though, is that there's less whales and that it requires stewardship. I over did it Well, and there's no reason to hunt them. Like there's. There wasn't much sport in it in the first place, probably. Like it's not, like it's not fishing, like a lot of people from, like what I understand about looking into whaling and all that, there was at times, yeah, of course, in human history, right, where people hunted whales to subsist and provide.

1:27:43 Yeah, um, but can you imagine how you'd feel about duck hunting if it was industrialized? Oh right, you know what I mean. Like it would, it would take all essence of what the meaning is and outdoorsmanship out of it, and, like we, we see that today. Like it requires stewardship, you know it requires responsibility, um, so I guess I don't know. I hear what you're saying, man, and I'm excited. I'm really excited. Um, I guess billy jean's gonna hate this, but I just I'm gonna have to buy another shotgun hey, just might have to, because I've said this before on the show we talk about all these dope ass guns oh yeah, but I'll tell you what.

1:28:32 I've used one gun more and killed more things with one gun more than any of the other ones, and that's a Remington 870 shotgun that cost me $350. Yeah, I mean, it's like cheaper than Xbox sometimes. Yeah, you get a good sale, yeah Right. And I think, like a lot of that too is like there's this idea of you know, whatever people hear about hunting or the depiction of it, but it's, it is like a part of stewardship, you know, and it's one of those things that I think is like necessary for sure, and for some people, I mean, you look at like that one tribe in Africa Gosh, I'm forgetting the name, I'm blanking on it, okay.

1:29:25 Those ones, the ones that run them down. Well, they run them down and they hunt and they like. their whole lifestyle is based on like moving and like hunting, and it's like a part of a necessity in their life and so, like there's a place for it, but even them, like you know, like they have this like operandus of, like it's about a balance and stewardship and it's also, like you know, we have to sometimes hunt down other things to keep the balance. And that is going back to what you said, like animals are under the dominion of man and require responsibility. So I'm excited, man, I'm excited to partake in that responsibility and stewardship and I'm looking forward to it, man, I'm stoked for going on duck hunts and, you know, shadowing you guys, and then I don't know, a couple, a couple, maybe a year, year or two get to make my call.

1:30:24 Get the toot on the call for sure, and they're? They're called the head zombie, tribe head zombie. They run them down in tanzania. Um for sure, man. So yeah, the left in the, basically that. So the hunt it's a. You know what I got here was it's a lanyard and there's room for calls on it, which is fun too. So yeah, if you saw, there's like a space soanyard and there's room for calls on it, which is fun too. So if you saw there's space, so there's all sorts of other calls you get to get over the years and put on there. But what you do is hang it on your rearview mirror and for a year in your car, whenever you're thinking about it, throw it on practice calling and then throw it back up. And so you keep it in your car Practice calling a lot. Go sit by a pond with some city ducks, Listen to them and try to mimic them, and then someday you get to do the real thing.

1:31:10 Yeah, well, before we sign off, we should give a shout out to our gift giving guide. So if you skip to the end, here it's our gift giving guide, right, and to the end, here it's our gift giving guide, right, and um, we'll time stamp it and all that. But my gift giving guide for the man in your life, whether that's a son, a husband, a father, it's, it's simple, because I think about it in like, most men have some kind of depreciation, right, whether that is toilet paper, dude wipes, whether that's fishing line, and so my first suggestion is to get, uh, someone like dude wipes, because dude wipes, especially for you know, that young man in your life who's starting to want to step out and like, do more camping or more outdoorsmanship um, he's gonna have a moment where he's gonna be like, okay, now, what?

1:32:18 now what I do? Because I'm in the woods and I got to clean up Dude wipes, man, they're so usable and they break down. I think they're actually flushable, like don't do a lot of them, but like they deteriorate way faster than all the other wipes I've ever seen. And if you read them, dude wipesipes tells you one flushable. Yeah, flush one. You use one and flush it. Yeah, and it can break down, and in the outdoors it does break down too. So it's a great thing to just have in the car. Add it to the car kit, right, for your son who's just got his car and you're like, hey, you may find yourself needing to go potty on a road trip.

1:33:07 You're going to be very thankful for these. So check out Dude Wipes. They have them. They have, like the gentle skin ones. They have them in different scents and the feeling is refreshing, um, and so those are a great one. The next one I would say is um, I don't have a specific brand, but if you know that person who loves to fish, right, get them fishing line, like good fishing line, because they might have old, broken one from a rod they inherited. Right, that's cracked and yellowed from the sun. Um, they can always use more. Um, or check out some like, specifically, if they like to fly fish, get them a, a few flies.

1:33:54 Or, even better, give them the kit that provides them the means to build their own and then make it a hobby of twining their own fishing lines I'm sorry, not fishing lines, fishing lures. I think that's a great gift. Um, I don't fish, but I know a lot of people who do, yeah, and they're always looking for a new lure or a new one to like craft them their own for their own like use and purpose. Um, the last one. I'm going to kind of put it on here and this is specific, but check out freedom munitions. Freedom munitions they make ammo and they remanufacture ammo from brass.

1:34:38 That's like sent into them and they have because of shipping on ammo, it has to be shipped via ground, it has to be labeled as ammo. It can be expensive, but freedom munitions has a policy where if you order 200 worth of ammo, no matter the caliber, it's free shipping, which is excellent because that's just enough ammo for them to go out and practice and have some leftover for, you know, whatever purpose they're going to use it for, like hunting, and the free shipping is a godsend, because I was looking around, I was buying my father-in-law ammo for christmas and a lot of places had good deals on ammo but the shipping was like 96 bucks, oh dang, because of the weight and the labeling and all that and, uh, the insurance on it.

1:35:33 And so freedom munitions, two hundred dollars, no shipping you, I mean free shipping. You know that that's a steal and they have tons and tons and tons of calibers. They also have a lot of commercial stuff from like winchester, remington, hornady, um, barnes. Barnes is like the best hunting round for rifles that you can get, and you can get a good amount of that and get free shipping on it and that is a steal compared to a lot of other places. Um, oh, actually that's not the last one.

1:36:14 The other one I'm gonna say is audiobooks. Oh yeah, you probably know that person who doesn't like to read, or they like to read a lot, um, and they unfortunately, like the truth is like audio books are a depreciating thing, like you listen to it once and it's done and then you got to get another one. If you get an audible account for someone and give them a few credits that's 45 bucks, they get three credits, they get three books and then with that membership, every month they get another book. Um, and we're huge fans here, of course, from dog ear dialogues and such like that, where we're breaking down books that we love and you can give someone that gift to spurn that.

1:37:00 You know, I would say educational aspect of one listening to a good story, the creativity that comes with that, the drive and how that like really impacted me to do, to like live out life as a man who, you know, has his creed and morals and adhere to those, and just like the impact you can have living life as a person who upholds their values.

1:37:42 And that book was great. It was, you know, for one credit, quote unquote $15.99 a month. That book was like 32, 34 hours. That's a lot of time and a lot of like. You know that's a lot of time and a lot of like you know, a value in a car, drive, a commute, um, working, and you get to listen to something. That's a beautiful story, um, and so, east of Eden as well. You know another book that is great and excellent for understanding the uh, I would say like, moral values of conflict and resolution and blessing someone with peace or forgiveness.

1:38:28 It's a very impactful story. And, you know, one of those things is again like one credit and you get a gosh. I can't remember that book was, I want to say, like an upward side of 30 hours as well, for sure. And so like those things like that, like those are easy ways to provide someone something that is depreciating and needs to be sustained and it's a blessing to them to provide those items to them for whatever kind of need or purpose they have especially for, like people who are non-readers, like I've got lots of friends who are like, if you talk about books, they're like I don't read. Like, anytime you bring up a book like I don't read, you're like what, like which is fine, kind of, because they're missing out.

1:39:17 And you can tell when they kind of say that they like wish they could or would, but they just don't or won't or I think they can't, and the audio book piece makes it so easy. So it's like it's an easy way where I've had people where I'm like hey, like, just listen to the audio book version. You know it's going to take. You know, yeah, listen to 30 minutes a day on your drives, you'll be done, especially with like shorter things or shorter books or things like you'll be done in two weeks, you'll be done in three weeks with this, where they'd be like it would take me a year to read that it's like hey, here, have this. And so it's kind of a way to let people who especially like there's like, oh, I'm not a reader, you can this gift.

1:39:59 I think it's an awesome gift for people because they're missing out on some really cool stories, awesome perspective, good history, just, you know, even especially, or just American literature, whatever, like it's stuff they're missing out on. So you give them a chance to listen to that. Well, and I think too, like one thing that I find myself thinking about when. I'm listening to audible, I listen to it. You know. I listen to a book probably I don't know on average an hour a day, and I think if I had had this in high school, this could have made it so easy to read the books that were required, um, and listen to them while I was working on other things or doing other things, and like still pick up on, quote unquote, what the test was going to be on or what you know the summary I was going to have to write was going to be on.

1:40:52 And to gain the actual like, knowledge and point of the book. You know, dude, I don't know if I read a single book all the way through for school period yeah like no shot. But if you have that too, one thing you can do, especially like if you have someone who's like, if you have a kid or someone who's struggles with this in school, if they listen and read along, you like they will start crushing their class. Yeah, yeah, like. You buy them the book, buy them the audible, and then they, if they read along while they listen, it could be a huge game changer the comprehension, I think would be pretty, pretty high. I wish I had it. Yeah, comprehension goes through the roof and just depends on, like the type of learner you are, cause we know that schools aren't geared towards every individual and how you learn.

1:41:40 They're geared for the masses and for particular types of learners. So, if you can like, change that, um, that style and change their chances of you know, taking that kid who's completely uninterested, and then you know, I think there's so many people out there who are just like. I hear so many stories of people who are like you know. They were bad students in high school but once they finally found what they wanted to do in life or how they were interested in things later in life, they could crush it. That was mostly like a learning style issue. Yeah. So like just get, I think that I really wish I had something like the audio you know option, because I think I would have got it done.

1:42:24 For sure. What else, pat? What else is on like your list of gift-giving guide kind of recommendations? For sure. I think I'm thinking of less like particulars and more like strategy, and more like strategy, which would be, you know um, it can be hard getting gifts for people who have a lot of big hobbies, because the next thing they want it's a thousand dollars or it's $5,000. Right, so it's like it's really hard. So it's like, um, if you take a little bit of time to research the, the things they're into there are, there are always small items that, um, that that can, uh, really be kind of like heartfelt gift and like intentional.

1:43:16 Yeah. It's just even like, for instance, like okay, so like take your, take your gift, for instance, a duck call and some things like lots of duck hunters spend thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars on gear yeah right and so this was not that much like. This was not in that range, but it was like, for instance, getting like let's say you were an experienced duck hunter getting you a personalized duck call is still like way, way cheaper than getting you a new duck hunting boat it's 30 grand right so so, um, just like, if it feels like you can't reach the price tag of what people are after like I think so many people like gifts that feel like they speak to them and stuff they like to do and if you can't, you know, get them the whole kit and caboodle, you know, get them something that's like, you know, uh, in the, in the realm you know, that knows.

1:44:10 If it says I know. If your gift says I know who you are and I know what you care about, that goes beyond you know know? Yeah, well, I mean on the note. Like all of my gifts on my gift list this year, I put an Excel spreadsheet together. Oh yeah. And I put the prices and the links to them. All of them are just D and D stuff Dungeons and dragons and it's just like. Hey, like anything here will be put to good use at a table with a bunch of people having fun and laughing and bonding together. And there's, you know the price range, I think goes from like 150 bucks down to like 20 bucks.

1:44:53 Right, those would mean you know something to me, and not only just to me, but they're going to mean something to the other people who I put on it. Uh, an event for a session for right, um, and so it's like, yeah, you don't need to get someone the one thousand dollar kit of whatever it is they're looking into, because if you get them, just like the twenty dollar thing or whatever, it can be applied and utilized. And I think that was kind of like. My next strategy in peace was also we're losing our ability to have conversation, to engage with other people, to be present with others and so get people something that forces people to be together, like even like going old school board games, you know, or whatever, like going with things.

1:45:47 Going with things that, um, force togetherness is like socialization exactly that like. That's a gift that um will be valuable, you know yeah well, hey, ken, hope you uh enjoyed this show, hope it was a value to you. We talked about a lot of things, but it all comes full circle around to these times and during the holidays, um, and just being considerate and thinking of others, um, and just knowing who your uh audience is and making sure that you're getting something that means something to them. It's personal, and you heard that here.

1:46:31 I mean, we just had our gifts, pat, I don't know. I hope you feel personally recognized. Oh yeah, I feel recognized and we hope that that blesses you guys going into this holiday season, um, and you know you can apply that going forward, but with that pat anything else till next time.