The Mick & Pat Show - The Next Four Years

0:02 uh, we survived, pat. We survived another us election which these used to be the most boring thing when I was in middle school and I don't remember anyone giving two rats. you remember how boring the obama mccain election was like. It was like why are people watching this? Why don't we just go to bed Like Bush-Kerry, yeah, yeah. And last night, though, dude, something pretty crazy happened, and before we get into it and offer our opinions, we just want to say first, welcome to the Mickey Pat Show. Happy that you're here joining us.

0:44 This is, of course, recorded November 6th, post the election We'll see when it gets out because we had a very, very special interview with a certain bow hunter, paul Navarro, that we were privileged to talk to him and hear his point of view, and so we're editing those episodes. Probably, right, pat, two episodes. You think, yeah, it's a two-par. think, yes, two-parter two-parter yeah I don't know if anybody's in for the three hours, yeah it's a. It was a great interview. It's worth three hours it is, but we'll break it down into part one, part two, so it's a little bit more digestible, and, uh, you can. Uh, part two is pretty much just going to be the the hunt story him telling good old hunt stories and part one's a little bit more him educating us on the nature and politics of getting into bell hunting in colorado and all that.

1:34 But anyways, um, you know, before we got too far ahead, man, and got really into these things, I saw something at the store. Really yeah, I was out there tonight actually it was right after dinner, on my way here. I saw it and I was like it made me really think of you, really yeah, and I hid it here in the studio so that way you wouldn't see it. I just want you to know you're not going to be complimented, you're not going to be flattered, and those who are long-time listeners will recognize what this is. After I pull it out and you hear Pat's reaction oh my gosh, what could it be? well, it's a new variety pack from New Belgium.

2:14 Mmm, really, yeah, it's got a trapel Belgian style, which I love a trapel. It's got the voodoo ranger juicy haze IPA. The voodoo ranger juicy haze IPA the voodoo ranger, Imperial IPA and the holiday ale, oh, the holiday, ale you have to. I want to watch you drink one, and I want to. I want you to tell me it's still only one thumb down I want you to look me in the eyes. I think we need to blind grab in and whatever you pull out what you have to drink oh god, I'll do it. I'll do it, just since we're already gonna be going over a nasty subject like the election, we'll be all right.

3:01 All right, fine, fine yeah. So, for those of you who might not know, we did a uh, you know, uh, christmas beer review. A couple, a couple, uh, last year maybe, I think it was when we did the the holiday ale and uh, it was, uh, it was not, um, it was bad it tasted like not good. I said it tasted like someone poured piss beer into a potpourri bowl and just let it sit there and the rub is because I gave it I. I gave the worst beer I've ever had on this podcast. A little bit of a point just for um, for the marketing factor, I think, because that's what got, that's what got it and it's a rough one um, even like the new belgium guys, when I went on a tour there and I was like, yeah, so what's up with that?

3:50 did something go wrong with that? Like that tasted so awful and he's like no dude. I don't know who passed off on that. That was the grossest beer I've ever had here and I was just like dude, you know it's bad, like when the tour guide's not even like trying to cover he's just like no, it was garbage. Uh, he wouldn't even give you the fake news which I respected. I expected him to hold it up to and not trying to hide from it telling you the real deal. Oh man, so are you gonna put three and three types in there, just three at the top, just three at the top, and one is one is the bad? Yeah, all right. All right, we'll see how it goes. Man alive, the uh it's, uh it is. We're are approaching the holiday seasons, though, which I'm excited about.

4:31 We got a tiny dusting of snow today down at my, at my folks, neck of the woods, and so I think, uh, we went straight from, uh, uh, just summer to winter there's not a lot of fall here and, by the way, mick just was mixing those like they're like the dread pirate roberts. Oh shit, I got the triple. Yeah, let me mix these up. Oh shit, I got the trip-o. Yeah, let me mix these up, so that way it's still fair, alright.

5:17 Damn it. Oh man. Alright, here you do a little bit of mixing and I'll draw from it all right, you just honestly need to just have a cooler all right, here we go. There's the choice, it's the big draw. What's he gonna get? Oh, he got the trapel also no one has to drink it yet um on, in like two weeks from now, if we keep playing this game, we're gonna end up with Just have Dean come on again and just be like Dean draw for a beer and this is only those left. Well, it's going to be like playing Russian roulette. We're at the end, like you know, the bowl is coming. Yeah, there's no more. There's just three in the bottom, oh man.

6:07 Before we get into election stuff and all that, Pat, I feel like it's only right that you, since hunting's been a topic lately, do you got anything you want to give us debrief-wise from your elk hunt? You had two elk tags this year. I did. I did. I had two elk tags and I got to take. I went out with two buddies one who I've been meaning to go on a hunt with for like literally 10 years. Like 10 years ago we talked about going on it, we just never made it happen. Is he a hunter? He's a hunter. He's like, yeah, he's a hunter, he gets out there. He wouldn't consider himself like an avid hunter, you know, but he's like, he gets out and hunts. And then the other fellow was a new guy who to the hunting world and he was super gung-ho this year, super fun to watch him be all excited about getting all the gear, finding, you know, uh, doing, uh, you know, e-scouting, finding spots where the elk might be, and all that.

6:57 And so we put together a trip. The three of us went out there and we did what a lot of elk hunters do, which is we go spend a week in the woods hiking with rifles. And so we nothing better than, yeah, buying a gun that you don't get to shoot it but you get to hike around with your gun. A lot. Yep, that's why you should get a light one. Yeah, doesn't matter how hard it hits, but the um so no, we like it was. It was a good hunt. Um, I'd say the success from it. We didn't harvest this year, but we did every day. We got closer and closer. Like starting off day one, we didn't even see any elk poop period, which is like. That means you're, you're in the wrong spot. You're in the very wrong spot, because I spent most of my time not killing elk, just walking around on top of elk poop all the time.

7:42 Yeah, it's like you, if you're like, like, even if you're getting skunked, you're at least like seeing tons of sign. Yeah, but then, like you know, day two, we got in a better spot where someone had killed one the day before and stuff like that, and we got closer and closer until our last morning. You know, the flaw we made was it was like day four or five and we'd been up early and grinding, hiking every day and I was sick starting the trip off, and I got both the other bros sick, which is a bummer. It was kind of inevitable, though, sharing like a small camper, you know. Bro dude, why were you kissing them? I know, right the camper. Yeah, that's what hunters do.

8:22 That's what hunters do. That's what hunters do we tuck our buddies in and give them smooches. Goodnight, exactly. But we were getting pretty smoked like that last day, Like all right, let's sleep in. And so we slept in half an hour, Then we snoozed our clocks like another 20 minutes. So we ended up hiking in to our spot about an hour late where we wanted to go, and we'd marked a spot on the map. We'd put an X on the map and we hiked into that spot and that morning, as the sun was coming up, we were just a little too loud, a little too fast getting in there and a little too late. And literally on the X we had marked there was six elk. But, we saw them just leaving the area as we had kind of blown them out of there so close.

9:07 But no cigar on on the elk this year did either of those guys have a tag or were they just there as support and to help ruck and ruck it out? no, we all had tags, we all had cow tags. And then I counter uh, the cow tags are a draw. So we all had cow tags and I had an over-the-counter bull tag, so could have come out of there with you know a lot of meat four of them. But um, yeah, that was uh. You know, that's usually how my elk hunting goes that's how I feel like most people's elk hunting goes, unless you're paul. Unless you're paul, you hear, like the fact that he's like, yeah, the last 12 years I've gotten an elk there. I'm just like what? Yeah, it's super impressive.

9:48 I mean, he uses a bow and arrow, he's not a spring chicken and he gets it within 20 hours. Can you imagine what it looks like to see him get into coverage? I imagine when he's telling this story and he's like, yeah, she's, my wife was back at the car, and then I just run down and starts creeping up on it. I'm like, does he just like disappear with the wind? Like. You know what I mean. Like like cause I'm just trying to picture how this guy, this 84 year old guy, he's not. He's not a small man size, man size, I think but like he just gets down in these bushes and like army crawls up to him. I'm just really trying to figure out, like how that guy he's sneaky yeah, I met he's he's like a little little gnome you know what I mean little, little sneaky goblin he just yeah, like, just, it is like he can disappear like a vapor and just reappear.

10:42 But yeah, and I think, uh, one of my big like he's got to be a patient guy. That's my problem too. I get impatient, like, oh, I can just rush up in there. No, you gotta like. You gotta, sometimes you gotta like, take your shoes off if you're doing archery, like, yeah, sometimes you gotta take your boots off and cover 40 yards in one hour. Wow. So it's like that's, that's patience. You know, know, that's slow and then the and then the key there is also knowing when to not do that, when you have to be like all right, we got to cover a mile and a half right now yeah and then sneak for two hours like it's, like the in the intuition there, knowing when to do that. That's the little instinct I don't ever, have never been taught.

11:24 But yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I mean because I also know guys who I think you know, like I said, I've never been hunting more than small game stuff. But I think I know guys who I think are like good hunters, like they are dudes who every year without fail go out to hunt and they have stuff hanging up in their houses of the things they've hunted and those guys do not have remotely close to the consistent amount of kills that paul gets right like I. I mean, when he was saying those numbers I was just like that's crazy to me. Some of these guys like they'll get 12 elk their entire life if they're really lucky, like really really lucky, and so I was just like listen.

12:09 I was like this is a dude who's like an expert in his craft, which makes sense. I mean, he lives and breathes by it. So it can be fun to shoot bows with him, just to like, because, also like once it's not a done deal. Once you snuck up on him and then, when he's taking him with a recurve, yeah, it's like that's because the recurve is the one that doesn't have the like. you don't draw it and it looks. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't hold weight for you. Doesn't hold weight for you. So? you got to draw it yourself and you can't. Can you imagine what he looks like with his shirt off, his chest and back? He looked like he was pretty ripped. He was a barrel dude. He's a barrel of a man.

12:51 At 85. Just getting after it, super impressed and and he's just like I don't know, also not braggadocious or more serious, he's like one, not not braggadocious, or yeah, he's just like. He's like one of the nicest guys. Nice Humble man is super, super cool to get to talk with him. Yeah, I think if anything like, if there's anything that like, I'll say this if I can figure out some way or method to literally do, you know, I'll do whatever is in my power to get him that shot at a big horn like I'm. I've been reading into it a lot and I know you're wondering, like if the tags are like um, not tradable but like transferable, transferable yeah, something like that.

13:37 And like I'm just like dude, like hell, just like even give them the opportunity, like the donate opportunity, because it's not like there's a hundred, or even like there's not even like, uh, 50 other guys right now who have gotten the big nine bow hunting and are alive and are ready to go for the bighorn. You know what I mean. Like they only like there's a ton of people who apply for the bighorn, but like he's the only one probably alive in colorado today. He's got nine out of ten with the bow, yep, and the rest of the people are working their way to that. But I'm just like dude. It would be a crime for this guy to not get that shot and what's crazy is like the hunt aspect on.

14:20 That's like it's up there on cliffs and really high elevation yeah like the, it's a strong young man's game it's, yeah, it's not just like so it's, it's, it's gonna be, uh, um, because he and he's, because he's already taken one bighorn, rocky mountain bighorn now it's gonna take desert bighorn the desert bighorn. That's on just the western slope, though right um, like it's all along the western slope on that side, more towards grand junction and stuff I honestly don't know, but I'd assume something like that or even that, even maybe further south, and you gotta think that's a little bit easier open terrain wise not as brutal as the eastern side.

15:01 I genuinely think the eastern slope versus western slope is like night and day difference. For people who aren't from Colorado and haven't spent much time there. I really do think the western slope looks so much more approachable than when you're looking at the eastern side and you're like good God, how did people get over those? But anyways, good stuff, good stuff. As you can tell, we really loved our interview with them, so go ahead and check it out. This is probably coming out after that episode's release, or maybe before, I don't know. We'll see what happens. Yeah, and if it looked long, like I said, we're going to break it up into two parts. I think like they'll both be a little long, but they're they're worth it.

15:43 Yeah, um, onto the big news, of course. They just occurred last night. For us, donald Trump, 47th president, and not only that, but I'm pretty sure we have majority Senate. And did we get majority house as well? Um, I think so I say we. I guess that just gives away my leniency. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not like a diehard Republican or anything. I'm definitely conservative in my values. But it does feel good to know that we have two years where we could probably get some good stuff done. There's something about. Yeah, it so if you've got a supreme court, house, senate, congress and president who are all aligned, it's like at the, I think honestly, if you had a more moderate left, then it could be great too as well.

16:39 Just to have like not having this um filib bogged down can't get anything done. Government shutdown, bureaucratic caca, you know, it's like. Bro, what needs to happen? I know this is not going to be popular, with a lot of people who might listen to this, but we need to have the government gutted. It needs to be gutted like a freaking pig, just like the way down in uh, it was in south america, I can't remember. It's not chile. Um, maybe it was chile, no, um, where is it? Where's patagonia? that's not in chile, that's in argentina argentina, yeah, the argentinian government, their new prime minister or president.

17:27 He just totally disemboweled the government in all of its departments and just threw them all out, cut off funding day one, dissolved them and like there was, yeah, really high unemployment rate rate for a little bit. And then, guess what, the commercial market has come in and swept up and they're now like argentina's like already debt free in like only two years he's been president or prime minister, yeah, it's on, and they were so deeply in debt. Um, and I know that's like exactly kind of how uh trump and elon were mentioning like the financial approach to the uh government audit, because elon's gonna be the uh auditor apparently, which bro like after what he did to twitter yeah, but guess what?

18:18 like twitter's still standing and, yeah, there was an ugly. You know valley for twitter, but I think it's a better platform today for it. As someone who doesn't use it, I don't spend any time on it For sure. We've got 2.2 million full-time federal employee people, and that's a lot of people. Dude, and there's so much bloat around all of it. As someone who works as a government contractor right, there's just so much I see that is just bloated and slow and it's just like wow. Also, there's just people when they get the job, dude, they never get fired.

19:02 The government never fires people it's so like that people have to be dismissed from their jobs because they royally f up. Um, I've had people in the consulting world tell me like oh it's dude, it's, it's. Green welfare is what they call it, because you get a job working for the federal government and you just know like you'll never get you might get like furloughed for like a season of a government shutdown. Yeah, you'll still get paid and like you, just, you just don't have to come into work and, like you, just whether, whether you work for the post office all the way up to a tippy top, you know you'll never get somewhere in dc. You know it's like yeah, and so I think that I, like one of the most savage guys around it was Vivek.

19:44 Yeah, like that was like you know, like he was talking about cutting it, like I was like that may be a little bit too much because we didn't have to slow down on that cutting, but Right dude. I'm almost I'll say this like I've heard so many good arguments for cutting stuff like the Department of Education, like literally quartering the Department of education and being like, all right, we can keep one quarter of this because the rest of this is freaking bloat. Um, I was just like wow, that's, that's bonkers. But like I'm also like when I'm hearing out the case and the cost of it, like okay, I don't see why not oh yeah, like and gosh like.

20:27 If you cut out the bloat too, the actual needs in the vacuum will be filled by the private sector too. Will be filled by private sector. And this is the thing that everyone keeps on talking about. They're talking about how, like the government's so in debt and taxes are high and they need to, can't? We can't get rid of income tax. We can't get rid, we can't reduce taxes, because if we do, the government will default on the debt it owes. But the truth is is if the government guts itself, the cost of maintenance and operation for the government drastically declines, therefore requires less taxes to operate and it can therefore stop spending money on different departments and personnel, and that money then goes to paying off the national debt.

21:14 Like we make enough money. Uh, let me see, let me pull this out. I'm just gonna make sure to double check my stuff, but I'm pretty sure, like the? U the united states of america, like the federal government's uh, ebita is, this is more than like our current standing debt. Like if, if some really brutal gutting and stuff occurred, we could probably pay off the national debt in like four years with some good like conservative management and conservative spending yeah, and like what was the stat? I don't want to totally like talk out of my butt on it like what do we owe right now, however many trillions?

21:55 I think right now we're at like I think it's over 70 trillion, I believe 70 trillion. how many zeros are on $70 trillion? A lot, one, two. Sorry, I wanted to do. What I was looking at at one point was this sounds off now that I'm thinking about it. It was like it equates like every American being like if every American paid $100,000, we'd be out of it. That's got to be wrong. Yeah, no, we're deeper than that. Yeah, we're deeper. We're deeper than that, way deeper. Yeah, I was like when I saw that stat I was like we should be able to get out of that.

22:35 But yeah, scratch that, I was fed some false information by somebody. I don't know about that. It's fed some false information by somebody. I don't know about that. Well, do the math. Do the math 370 million times 100. How much is that? Ask the Google so, that way it'll automatically tell you what those zeros mean. That's true, that's true. Here we go. All right, we are calculating oh need one more zero Times 100,000. Oh, it gave me a To the power, so I don't know, I can't do that math.

23:21 No, put it in Google. What is it? Let me do it. It gave me it Give me 100. Out of high school. So long I can't do any powers. Times 370 million. Come on, google, give it to us All, right. Well, it also just gave it to me whatever this I feel like this should be the problem is. Okay, I'll say this it's funny like I can. I've barely gotten to the point where I can wrap my head around like the difference between a million and a trillion and like a billion.

24:03 Like it's funny how now, like everybody, like just to buy a house, you got a million dollars, but 37 billion, 37 billion, that's it. Huh, yeah, that leaves us a little short, so the math is off on that one. All right, dude my favorite is what they're like. What the hell? Look, the government had like a you know it was something silly Like the government's like money sent to Ukraine. If that was divided amongst every American, we'd each get like a million dollars, and I'm like nah bro your math is so off. We'd each get like 105 bucks. Yeah, like maybe, and that was with the same thing, with something about Elon Musk's like and like.

24:48 Someone said like if he gave everybody like split his money evenly, everybody would be like millionaires, and it's like. That's just not true. Yeah, just not true. And speaking of Elon, it's crazy, like okay, so did you watch the Trump speech last night after? Sorry, hold on. I was just before we get too far. I did watch the speech. I stayed up for it. We're at 35.95 trillion dollars in debt. I don't know where my 70. I think my 70 came from the budget for defense, because I think that was 70 billion. I thought we were 70 trillion we're 35.95 trillion in debt. okay, but anyways, maybe that's just because of how much trillion in debt. We're $35.95 trillion in debt. Okay, but anyways. Maybe that's just because of how much the stock market went up last night after it was declared.

25:31 We just cleared that much debt in a couple hours. But so we pull from taxes in 2024. Taxes provided the US government $4.5 trillion, that's a lot. Yeah, it's so hard to wrap my brain around what that is like and like that they spend over that every year. Like that's it's so hard. And like I mean, you have you ever seen like the breakdown of, like the biggest expenses for the federal government? They're all like the first one is like um, social security, and then after that it's like the payment of employees and staff in the federal government and like contractors and consultants, and then everything after that is like spending on spending on departments and development and infrastructure, right, so it's like.

26:30 It's like one of those things if you're just like okay, well, there's no way that makes sense for the social security thing, just because spending that much versus like you know, if everyone on social security is making quote-unquote like roughly around like 2500 a month and it's like mostly tax-free to the majority of them, then it's hard to imagine like okay, so you're telling me the 60 million people on social security are eating up a majority of the uS government's budget. That doesn't add up because we have like the math doesn't work out to how much they collect in taxes, right, and so it's one of those things where, like, it's just interesting to see like how they determine like what expenses versus non-expense.

27:19 But apparently social security is the number one expense for the US government. And some of my uh bro, uh bro economics on this. I was wondering should we be putting, like this, all the social security money into the market? no dude, because the government just takes it while we pay it to them and then they loan it out or they just spend it right. So like that's, the craziest thing is like if they had, if every time you spent social security, like every every time social security came out of your, your paycheck, it was invested in the stock market and it just remained in the quote unquote social security fund.

28:03 That'd be unreal, bro. Our capital markets would be so powerful and strong. But because the government started spending social security as a means back in, like what was it? World War II, I believe it was. Like social security was developed for funding the war. Like it's one of those things of like. I get the premise of like well, we need this money now to spend it, and it's a way that we're going to take care of all those who come back and like can't take care of themselves, and it originally was looked at like helping the elderly veterans. Yeah, which they already got va well and so it was. It was one of those things we're like. I just never thought it was really properly thought through, because of course they were like we're only going to do it for the war.

28:53 Well, and it worked well when you had the baby boomer population, a huge population to support the greatest generation, a much smaller population. So that's what I was. So I don't know, I was thinking that's what I was thinking of in my bro economics. I just was like that should all be at least like filtering through the market. It's only gaining, right, you know, but but it's too risky. It's also risky, but hey, I don't know. I also thought it was crazy. You could, you could vote or you could bet on who would win the election this year. You can do that most years. Yeah, I just didn't. It's just way more popular now. Yeah. Now it's like you want to know what's crazy Because of the boomer population the estimated transfer of wealth from boomers to millennials.

29:43 Do you know what that's going to be? The great wealth transfer is estimated to transfer is the estimated transfer of wealth from baby boomers in the silent generation, to younger generations. This transfer is expected to impact millions of families over the next two decades. Hmm, take a guess what the total estimated monetary US dollar value of wealth transferred from them to us will be. It's either going to be, is it disgustingly low? or is it just an insane? amount. It's unreal. I mean trillions and trillions and trillions $500 trillion. No, no, no.

30:24 Keep in mind the USs government's 35 trillion in debt yeah, but I just think, like every house that's owned and real estate like the, the whole, the total, dial it back like I said also before, which would be once we get past a billion. Yeah, your concept is no, I don't have a, there's not. I don't think there's 500 trillion dollars worth of natural resources in the world. That's true. That's a good point, that's a good point. I think the Earth is worth like $400 trillion in natural resources. I'm pretty sure, that's what the total value of something like all that is. No, it's going to be $84 to $90 trillion, okay, distributed about $27 million, to be 84 to 90 trillion dollars.

31:07 Okay, distributed about 27 million to millennials, 30 trillion to gen x, 11 trillion to gen z, 4 trillion to baby boomers, and that's just, you know, the long-lived younger boomers, right? Um, and they think about another 12 trillion will just be good, we'll just go to charities and nonprofits. Um, it's expected to make our generation the wealthiest generation in history, but it's also like a lot of people are theorizing right now that's gotta be the gap. It is the gap right now, like, but the gap even being greater, right, like what? do you? mean like the wealth gap growing even greater as that transfers. Like because like that's not going to everybody right, like that it's not equally doled out well, no, but like.

31:49 The issue is that we're gonna we're gonna see probably a super strained collapse as all the boomers alive enter into social security dependency right and all of them are collecting off of it and the strain to support them is going to hit everybody. No matter how wealthy you are, everyone's going to have to pay more and pay more to support that all that wealth transfer is going to suck back well and well then. Once they die off, though, and we start seeing them in droves pass away year after year, people are talking about estimations of like full on geographical impact and redistribution, florida's going to be empty.

32:34 No, dude, I'm not kidding, you're right. People are talking about what cities will be ghost towns, like people are talking about what cities will be ghost towns, and there's already commercial consultants going to businesses, consulting businesses of where to pull out of the market and when to do it, because the people who buy their products in that location will be dead for 30 years before millennials get old enough and the the I. The concept too, is like there's gonna be. The reason like land and houses are and all that are worth a lot right now is because there's a low supply. But when people, when all the boomers pass away and we're talking like what happens to bill gates when he passed, when he's dead, right, his stuff's going, his stuff's probably to go into some kind of trust fund of some kind under corporate locking key, but that money means nothing and has no value.

33:31 If there's, I mean not money, but those assets like real estate and land don't do much for banks, because think about it, dude, do you really want to sell your house to the bank. No, you know you're never going to get good pay from the bank, right? But you know that you can make good money off of your like hard assets, like that by selling it to other people, and the bank knows that too. The bank knows, like they don't get to make money off of owning land and property that isn't commercially used and uh, there's not consumer practices on that commercial land. And so, like when they're just, when the bank just is holding private land, the bank frigging needs to get that out of their hands and churn it, because the bank makes money by you taking out a mortgage to pay it back in interest to the bank.

34:19 You know, so that's the thing. So I think'll see like I think you and I, pat, and then these other millennials that are like it's so hard right now, it's like bro, I don't think they understand that if we just hold out like another 10 years, by the time we're in our 40s there'll be so much damn land for so cheap. And if you got the means, if you've got stuff in the market and invested and you're ready to like pull that out for down payments, dude, we will be able to be the next big landowners. Like it's just, we just gotta like, because, yes, this, the boomer generation, is living longer than any generation before it and they're so big they own majority of the assets.

35:00 But when they pass away, all that needs to be handed down and put back into the market for the market to make money off of it. So because they make up like 25% of our population which is unreal Like look how much like the like great or the silent generation holdovers from World War II when they were going into retirement age made up something like 10% or 11% of the population. It was just drastically lower. Yeah, it's going to be wild.

35:47 I mean, imagine that, imagine that colorado, where real estate is an unreal expense of that, like it'll become. Yeah, it'll still be an expensive investment. You're still talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars in a mortgage of some kind, right in a loan of some kind. But, dude, if you get the money that you can liquidate out of investments like stocks and stuff which you can buy now, that's going to put you in a place where you're the guy who's got cash in hand and can start doing down payments. Or, even better, you maintain those assets and the brokerage that you do that like you have those assets through, or the bank you have those assets through, or the bank you have those assets through, like if you're investing through, like, say, you chase bank account, the bank allows you to take a loan out against your own assets, right, that loan is then used to buy, like, put down payments on anything and you can then, you know, essentially just cover the payment for the loan and you get to then buy, cover the payment for the loan and you get to then buy because you're not buying houses, right, you're probably going to be buying freaking parking lots, malls.

36:53 You're going to be buying states, you're going to be buying apartments, right. And so it's like, yeah, I'm going to take a loan out against my stocks so I don't have to sell them. There's no taxes on debt, so you don't get taxed on your loan against your own assets. And then you just use that loan to get a down payment on revenue generating property that the previous owner's dead and the bank's like we're not making any money off of this. We'd make more money if we had a loan that you had to pay back on. And then you buy the apartments or the you know the parking lot, whatever, right. And then you're like, okay, great, sweet. Like we're making money here now, right, my whole dream is essentially to buy a strip mall.

37:38 And just I can think about the people who own strip malls. Dude, they don't have to do any of the maintenance for the dry cleaners. They just charge the dry cleaners a monthly rate of $3,500 to rent the spot, right? Oh, yeah, I don't know, man, my dream is owning that. Or parking lots. I'm constantly looking for a parking lot to buy. Oh, yeah, I'm just like, dude, if I could get a parking lot, that's like the best passive income generator. That's hilarious, I love it. Oh, that's great, oh man. Anyways, sorry, no, yeah. Back to the election? I guess no, I think the speaking of boomers and other generations.

38:20 I think there's one person I'm particularly excited about being in their position RFK Jr. Well, him too, but JD Vance yeah, jd Vance crazy that he's there, he's so young yeah, and one thing that's crazy is that we think he's so young, meaning he is young, but he's 40 years old I mean, I think that what's the last time we had a president that was 40 years old, but obama? Was 47. Was he really so? that's what's crazy is like did he look so much older than that after this first presidency? exactly so what's crazy is, obama was 47 years old. Uh, bush was 54 when he took office, excuse me, and so over the last you know, uh 8, 12 years.

39:11 We've like really gotten used to some really really old folks uh being around yeah and so I'm excited for, uh, jd vance. And, yeah, age is one thing, but also, like I think that what's needs to be, if jd vance was on the left, what would be being celebrated even more about him would be his rags to riches story. Oh yeah, you know, and so I did you watch his interview with trump or with uh? Um, he was, who else was young, he was on a comedian, another comedian's on pio von's yeah, and like his isn't.

39:57 His interactions with them was so like blue collar. He said it was crazy. I was like, wow, this is not an act. Yeah, this is this dude he said, he said man and or dude a couple times and I was like like dude. You know, congress is crazy and I'm just like whoa, that was like not like. That was not steve buscemi like. Hey, there, use like, are we skateboarding later? You know what I? mean Exactly, exactly, or like this totally fake politician speak that so many people use now. And so I think, like I appreciate his, I think he's genuine, I think he's just found himself at the second to the top seat all of a sudden.

40:39 Not that he hasn't worked hard or he doesn't deserve it, but like I'll tell you this, 15, 20 years ago, I don't think that was his goal in life. Yeah, 20 years ago, when he was a marine yeah, 15 years ago, when he was a lawyer heck 25 years ago, when he was, you know, figuring his life out, leaving, um, you know, trying to get out of a life around poverty and surrounded by, you know, drug abuse, things like that. Like I don't think he had some grand scheme. Like, someday, maniacally, I will be in charge of the world you know, it's like, or whatever, like I will be powerful.

41:19 Yeah, I think it's like. I think he's just along for the ride and found himself in a awesome, cool opportunity. And so I think more people, I want to see more people like that in our politics and in our government, who didn't set out to hold that position, but they do have the merit and the capability to hold it. And and that's going to be the big key changes that we have to see in our um, in our government, leadership is um, people who aren't like heading towards that as a career goal, people who find themselves in that as a for, a for, a stint of their career, but who have the leadership and capability to do it.

42:08 You know, and that's really, I think that's really important and the way that it was like really set up in a lot of ways, and I think about, uh, remember this was a while ago, but remember when I read that uh letter from George Washington on the podcast about him, like basically saying he was hanging it up, yep, and it just like I thought it was like even so, our first president we had, he it's. He came to the conclusion of his own volition it was time to be done. Let other people lead. He'd done his service, done his time and now he was going to enjoy the rest of his life. And that was the intent at the birth of this country and the way we set it up, because Unlike Nancy Pelosi, who just now became, she got her 20th elected Senate session.

43:00 Hey, who keeps voting her in? The Californians, bro. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's from there. Also, what's whack with Trump winning? Her portfolio took off. Oh yeah, because she's. She's an insider baby, she's fiscally conservative. She's like all about them liberal policies, but invest fiscally. Conservative. Yeah, she's like all about them liberal policies, but invest fiscally. Uh, on the conservative side no, exactly it's crazy though that, like that's the sorry I don't want to get, I agree exactly what you're saying, like there needs to be term limits, bro, and that was like one thing I was talking about was like we need term limits so bad in this country, right, and we also need upper age limits, like there is current.

43:44 It's crazy to me that there exists no upper age limit, um, even with, like, modern day health care. I understand the concept is like well, people are living longer and they're maintaining their faculties longer, right, are able to serve longer. Like yeah, george washington, I bet he, I'm gonna guess here that he died before 84 and like shortly after retiring from politics. Yeah, I bet it was like a year or two before he was like croaked out at 33. Yeah, no, but um, it's one of those things where, um, there, there needs to be a limit to it of like, all right, is the best of the nation going to be those who are 20 years past the retirement age of the military service or in, or like it's just not would nobody else hire you for a job anywhere else yeah, yeah.

44:40 You know, just like, because it's time for you to be done. I'd hire you as a librarian, yeah, and there's a lot of value and wisdom that can be brought to a job too of consulting, whatever. But like what I think too, would be what I think is beautiful about the Washington example, too, is like a self-imposed term limit, and I do think we need term limits because we got to get it, uh, the ship righted. But wouldn't it be cool if people, more people, were just self-imposing those term limits right? yeah and like had the decency and integrity to just be like it's time I retire exactly like I.

45:21 I came here. I don't know why they're southern. I don't know why they're so southern, because that's where you get some honorable folks from I feel like that's also where you get some like dastardly law criminals. I would have gone away with it too, if it wasn't from these men looking kids Exactly. Here's the weird thing is like. I still think my grandfather is probably the wisest man I know. And he's 82, 83 now, and he maybe shouldn't like run a Fortune 500 at the moment, or maybe he should, I mean no, I think he'd be willing to give consultants to it.

46:03 I I don't think he has any desire, with his energy levels and what he wants to prioritize on with what time he's got left, exactly, exactly. He needs to be the guy that the CEO calls once a week for a conversation. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, no, I 100% agree, and it's just crazy. But yeah, I mean, and like I say this too is like am I happy Trump won? Yeah, am I like pretty concerned he's not going to survive his four years. 100%, I think Trump's going to get. I'll make a bet now I think Trump's going to get assassinated or die in office, not because I think he's so frail and geriatric, but he is 84 and really it just takes, honestly, when you're at that age, like it really takes, like a shit.

46:47 It takes covid, bro, like you know what I mean. Like when he got covid, everyone was like damn, that's not good. Um, and like it's one of those things, dude, covid biden got covid and like a week later they're like all right, so you're not running anymore. Yeah, like uh, so it's like. I guess that's why I do love that jd vance could be our next president in the worst case scenario, right, that we have a, a young, strong, uh, you know, man of integrity with a strong service record, you know, and he's just got like a. He's got a firmness to his personality and there's, I mean, it might be just like his RBF, right, but he's got a sternness that just makes you think like all right, it's going to take more than a breeze to knock this guy over.

47:35 We're probably not going to see him falling up the stairs to Air Force One, right, and so all I said I guess I am enthusiastic about him being in that position. I'm very enthusiastic, though. Here's the thing I'm most excited about. Here's the thing. While I was like having a hard time wrapping my head around, like why wouldn't you vote for Trump, I say that as someone who voted for RFK. Don't care what people say. I've explained to you why I voted for RFK, and I guess I'll just say here, like in colorado, trump got 38 percent of the vote. I just didn't think it'd be as significant to our constituents here if trump had gone 39. I thought it was more important if they saw a third party candidate got one percent or more, yep.

48:18 And so I think a lot of other people felt that way too and voted rfk, because now it's like whoa, rfk literally, like in many states, got one to two percent of the vote, which is big, like, I think, for a lot of, for a lot of third party candidates, um, but anyways, uh, if if you were gonna vote harris and you're not like a very liberal, I just don't get why you'd vote for Harris when she has one of the most extremist senators of left-leaning politics she herself is rather extreme in left-leaning politics whereas Trump has demonstrated to be a very moderate conservative, to be a very moderate conservative, he has Elon Musk, who has demonstrated to be a very moderate libertarian with overlaps in both conservative and liberal parties.

49:10 Jd Vance is not a classical conservative. If you ever listen to him talk about his policies, he is far from right wing. He's pretty moderate conservative leaning as well. Tulsi Gabbard and rfk jr both classical left-leaning democrats, left-leaning in policies, but are now on the transition and probably going to be likely appointees to the cabinet of advisors, like we're looking at a team of very well-rounded moderate. I would say the most conservative, far-leaning person out of his cabinet is probably Vivek, and Vivek is also a very classical conservative, not like Romoli.

49:56 You can't say Vivek's right wing when he's you know he's a Pacific, not Pacific Island, know, and then he's probably he's in, uh, pacific like, not pacific islander, but he's like from pacific, indonesia or indo-asia, I mean, and with that like if he's the most conservative guy and he's a brown guy right you know what I mean. Like it's really hard to make a case that this is extremism and this is a bad vote. Like it's like there and I felt, I think, like that's the only reason, like I said, I didn't vote was because I felt like it was more important to my state to see people vote for a third party candidate. Um, but I do think, like if you were a someone who's like, well, I just want what's going to be like a well-rounded, you, you know, administration with really good, um, balance of council on both sides.

50:43 Like I don't want us to swing the pendulum super far right and dude you. Why wouldn't you vote for this if you don't want the pendulum to swing one direction or the other? Like we're looking at a conservative presidency that's one of the least conservative in our nation's history and is really just like a centrist. Like a presidency like I think we're going to see things not swing far right at all, which I don't want to swing far right. I think we're just going to see things return to center. Like I will not be surprised if, like, a lot of policy comes out you know, essentially not, uh, taking away the right for a company or a platform to moderate speech, like I still think they'll be able to do that, but they won't have the federal support and like kind of precedent of like political correctness you know what I mean Like there won't be the censorship of like hey, you can't say this and you know we're canceling people, right.

51:45 Like I just think that's crazy, that that was up in our government at that level and that the government was literally going in the direction of canada and the uk, where you could go to jail for thinking about something that was not quote-unquote politically correct. Um, so and and for and I do think like, uh, just like during, uh, 19th century stuff we had with Rockefellers, carnegie, you know, like Vanderbilt, um, jp Morgan, we had these, uh, robber barons, these people who had completely monopolized the industries. And things came into place to knock that down, to re-disperse the, the power, uh, to the people and and it had become, we had oil barons, railroad barons.

52:38 You had, you had extreme monopolies in this country and things and rules came into place to not allow that and bring competition. And the new version of that is tech companies, yeah, and especially around censorship, and things is some like to your point, some yeah, not that these companies don't lose their autonomy to do what they want to do.

53:23 But there are certain companies out there who have gotten so big and so powerful they do have to submit to the authority of rule. You know, yeah, and I think I think with that too, like classic example is Amazon, amazon turning off your thermostat, amazon locking you out of your house. We've not heard about that. No, no, dude. So this is not like a Jeff Bezos overlord evil thing. Right, like Jeff. Jeff Bezos is, I think, more moderate than a lot of people think he's just. Jeff Bezos is, I think, more moderate than a lot of people think he's just the CEO of a company that has a lot of bad agents and bad actors in it. But Jeff Bezos recently got blamed because some of the people who work at Amazon underneath the umbrella of Amazon, for Ring ring, doorbell or some of the other, like Alexa, uh smart house stuff.

54:07 Yeah, they had found out someone had said something online or they thought, oh no, no, what it was. It was like someone called and while on the phone, like I guess they just had to speak with customer service, and the customer service rep was like, yeah, they were racist and so they punished them by disabling their systems and like that is, and like it got totally sorted out, that employee was fired, right, because, like it was investigated. Of course it was like, ok, they didn't say anything racist, they just said you. They said you were, you know, a really shitty customer service rep and let's say they did say something racist, so what? It's their house? Let's say they said whatever they wanted to to you over the phone, well, and here's the thing.

54:50 It's like well, it's their house, but it's our product and our service and it's like yeah. So that's why I'm like, I'm really much of the I subscriptions, this idea that, like it should be, like you buy the product, it runs indefinitely. You know what I mean? Like there's no like subscription thing that they can be like boy, yeah, and there shouldn't be like yeah, we're gonna turn off the functioning of this product because we don't really like what you see on Twitter and it's like but that's like been happening, right, and like they've had. People have had their, you know, in a smaller niche if you niche it down. People have had their Amazon Prime account suspended for quote, unquote, politically incorrect reviews and comments on the Amazon Web Store, and people have also had their Twitch accounts suspended and they're no longer allowed to stream or view on Twitch because of their comments and things like that.

55:47 And now on Xbox Live, playstation, the Call of Duty game, the latest Call of Duty game listens and uses speech to text transcription to identify when you're saying improper speech in order to then censor and it can literally boot you from the game and put you in a timeout and you cannot play the game if you go around saying you know to everyone, we all know we were in those lobbies. Yeah, but like yeah, isn't that unreal, dude? Like it's so. It's like it's like one of those things like but I, but I was paying, it's my money, so give me my money back.

56:27 It's like no, no, you agree to the terms when you use our service and our product. Like we have the right to suspend it. And like you were just paying a licensing fee. So all that said, anyways, I think all of that is like very weird and how they can do that and get away with it currently. And the, yeah, the, the dynamic to like those old school barons and our current tech company and like um interactions in our everyday lives now is very eerily similar. I think you know cause, like if that back in the day, if that Baron didn't want you in New York, bro, you were gone, you were going to be put on a boat and the coppers are going to be like listen here, buddy, don't you set foot in New York city again?

57:14 Yeah. And you're gone, Like you're, you're like all right if you're lucky yeah, and so it's kind of weird, like how overlapped those things are nowadays. Um, I really do like the idea, though, that the us government is like, yeah, no, we're not getting involved in that like, uh, people can sue you and it'll go to the supreme court and we'll be settled there, precedent wise, but like we are not making speech policy here. So I don't know if you heard, but like there's that pastor in the UK that got or no, sorry, in Ireland I don't want to say UK, I think it's in the actual independent nation part of Ireland that was arrested because he said I'll pray for you.

57:58 And he said that to a woman who is, or a man that's, trans, I don't know. I can't remember the exact interaction, but he said I'll be, I'll be praying for you. And the police came up to him and said did you tell that woman that you're going to pray for her? And he was like is that a crime? Like you're under arrest for hate speech and the motive of hate, and they literally here's the thing If you don't believe in prayer, it's a thought then. So they arrested him for thought crime. If you do believe in prayer, that they arrested him for talking to God and like that's what he got.

58:38 He got out, he got off and he had people. He had a couple organizations come to his aid to help pay for the court cases and hearings and all that. But it happened in the first place and it's recorded. Bro, this is recorded. You can watch the interaction. The police be like did you say you pray for her? And he's like it's your crime, crime governor. That's not Irish, I know that's British, but they not Irish, I know that's British. And they're like you only arrest for hate speech and hate think and it's just like oh my lord, this is real. Have you read 1984, officer? Yeah, yeah, it's my favorite book, identified with those we only use newspeak and we arrest those for thought crimes before that crime can take place.

59:24 Listen, listeners, if you haven't read or listened to 1984. It's so short. It's so short. What? Four hours? Yeah, listen to it and be disturbed the whole time. But that just gets my kind of goose bumpy hackles up, because I feel like here's the deal. Lots of people are like with Trump being president-elect, people are like Jesus is saving America by putting this man in office and like hyping it up in that spiritual direction.

1:00:08 And, as we've said here multiple times, we're not about that Christian nationalism stuff, you know. So, that being said, that caveat, I do think there is some validity to the direction the country has been headed around these Orwellian, 1984 type thought crime, scary stuff like this that hopefully will be curbed over the next four years, years and then going forward, bringing us back to some common sense, you know, and because we have been bordering on some cuckoo stuff and you know, and so and honestly, even during trump's 2016 um it wasn't as cuckoo, though it wasn't as cuckoo, but we were still trending the same way with a lot of the hyper leftist silly stuff, and so yeah, but tell me this, bro 2016 and 2018, those are great years.

1:01:08 Those are some damn good years to be an american for sure for sure, but we still had this like uh um uh, especially in like academia, certain places like oh yeah like pronouns, whatever. All this stuff like this is when all this stuff still starts like I don't think he's the, I don't think the he's the end-all, be-all for anything, um and anything like that. But I do think this does help us push the pendulum back to the middle and I do think it's going to be something that's uh, um, I think it's good for the country. I honestly do think that him being president is going to be good for the country and I do think it's going to be good for the world. I think there's a lot of things in the world that need to be straightened out, and I don't think he's the savior, but I do think that he can bring a powerful presence to things in the world and, like we've said previously on this show, is that since, especially since, like his assassination attempts and things we've seen trump become more and more, um, humble, and that's my main problem with trump that I've always had with him is he?

1:02:08 just lacks an ounce of humility. His ego's so huge and this time around I don't know if it's just his advisors and his little committee told him, hey, you gotta like, tone it down. So he did it. But here's the deal. I'll say this trump was so trumpy I mean you could use, like, like his face next to the dictionary for, like you know, ego, um, he wouldn't even listen to if it. If an advisor said, hey, if you want to be president, you got to tone down this stuff, he wouldn't even listen to him for it. He would have, um, just kept doing his thing. But he really has expressed, like, I think, genuine care for the country. I don't think he I honestly don't think he's in this for himself at this point.

1:02:50 I would say 2016 election he ran to see if he could become the president of the United States. Oh yeah, Hands down. At this point, eight years later from that now to date, and it'll be 12 years later from the time he exits office, I think that he genuinely feels like being a responsibility to it. I'm not going to completely erase his competitiveness. I think he couldn't. He couldn't. He couldn't put away the 2020 election and just walk away, but at the same time, I it's a different man in office, for sure and so, and as you were saying earlier, with, like, the cabinet, we're potentially going to see and hopefully we do see a conglomerate of multiple different, you know, places being filled with people who I don't.

1:03:48 I don't think that this election I mean some people are losing their mind, but I don't think it's going to be as volatile as, like, the 2020 election. So charged. I think a lot of it depends on if the people in power can accept like they no longer are in power and that that's like I I see like a five percent chance of really, really bad stuff happening.

1:04:35 I don't see that as, like I said, I just said, five percent chance. I don't see it as a likelihood, but there is, I think, a good 5% chance that the people in power now see Trump as too much of a big threat and they refuse to certify the results. And if they refuse to certify, that's bad, that is bad news. That's where it could go bad for sure, and I think as I was reflecting on it this morning, and I think, as I was reflecting on it this morning, I think people are in general tired of being so anxious, wound up and caring about it Like. I think that people have woken up, I think that everybody's ready to just chill out a little bit and you're still going to have your extremes on both sides, for sure, but I think that the grand majority is just ready to chill out from the last eight years of elections, covid, civil unrest, um, and maybe I'll eat my words in two weeks from now sure, but I think, well, I think it'll be later than that.

1:05:37 You know what I mean. Like, yeah, because the, the certification and essentially the passing on of that all happens on january 6, I believe, or whatever. The first yeah uh monday in january is yeah for sure. So we'll, we will see. Um one thing another part that I'm excited about is the fact that he's he doesn't have to worry about a re-election. Now I know some people are afraid of him, like some people have been. Like he's never gonna ever, he said he's gonna be a dictator. Yeah, I'm not worried about that. I think he'll be ready to be done. He's gonna be an old dude by the time this is done too. What I do like is what I like about a president any president, left or right.

1:06:20 In their second term, they don't have to worry about getting reelected, so they can work the next four years. They can work and, yes, they'll get out and support their you know the person, who they want to be the next president. But, really they can focus on the task at hand. They don't have to. I mean, let's be honest, you gotta turn on the uh campaign engine two years before you're like oh yeah, oh yeah. Well, I remember thinking trump was late on it, right. I remember it because I think he really only turned it on like a year, like a year ago. And I remember when I was like damn is he really?

1:07:02 Are they going to make an official announcement? Because I really thought Trump was going to endorse, actually, vivek, because it was after the GOP first debate, before Trump announced his running, like his intention to run again. So it was kind of interesting that way. But yeah, no, I 100% agree with you, man. I think, again, the biggest thing we'll see that matters is those in authority right now conceding it. It's just odd. Kamala has to certify her own loss and hand over the presidency to Trump. It is Kamala, president of the Senate, which is her, just like Pence had to hand it presidency to Trump, like it is Kamala president of the Senate, which is her, just like Pence had to hand it over to Biden.

1:07:47 So Kamala said, you know, to her credit and I know you were telling me this earlier, but like to her credit, and I want to give credit where it's definitely due, because this is something people didn't do with Trump, right, but, like she said, there will be a peaceful transition. You know we concede this and it was fair and square there will be a peaceful transition and we want there to be peace. Did she say probably under like throwing conservatives under the bus? Probably. I bet yeah, but like you know, it was a stab. It's one of those things of like, great, awesome, hey, knock our socks off with it though, like show us just how peaceful, really peaceful. I'm not talking peaceful, mostly peaceful protests, I'm talking like legit, peaceful transition where no one dies or anything like that.

1:08:37 No, no riots, no burning of businesses and, uh, I'll be impressed. Um, all that said, I'm relieved, man. I'm relieved. I definitely am looking forward to it. I have been wanting Tulsi Gabbard to be in the White House for years now. Dude, she's a baller. Tulsi Gabbard has been someone I've been an advocate for for a long time, and to see her there now on his transition team and hopefully on his cabinet, I think is a huge move. Oh yeah. And then just RFK Jr being there. Not just transfer, but he's already been promised by Trump.

1:09:18 You're going to be overseeing looking into the environmental agencies. You'll be gutting the EPA, the FCC and the FDA. That's awesome. Oh yeah. Like it's like. Can you imagine how they're feeling? I'm like I'm most afraid of the FDA killing Trump or RFK before. January Bro, dude, that's cause that's big pharma man, Big pharma money. It's true. I mean, they, they've got a target on their back for sure, and I think, uh, you, know like oh yeah, you know, rfk is like I'm gonna tear this place up.

1:10:02 Bro dude, I freaking love him so much. Oh yeah, I can't. He would. He would respect the joke. Oh yeah, like he's gonna get him dude. I will say I think we should close out talking about his like his his speech last night, because I thought it was awesome trump speech. Yeah, rfk was sick, I guess I don't know where he was, but I think they said he, they. I think trump literally said I wish him well or I hope he's feeling better and so I think, uh, but that closing speech, I loved a lot of things about it. Um, I haven't watched that many presidential acceptance speeches, but I will say it was a pretty tame party. There wasn't confetti flying everywhere and a lot of stuff.

1:10:43 They just played old. What's his name? Lee Greenwood, proud to be an American. But then he gets up there and Trump just starts doing what he does. He just rambles on, tells stories about like he just starts. This is the best campaign. We are the best people. But then he was just randomly. This was unplanned, he was just going off the cuff. He's addressing the whole nation on every news network in the world and he's just like Larry want to come up here and say something. All right, barbara, how? about you Come up here and say something. You had a great campaign. We wouldn't be here without you. Come on up, Say something. Say something. That was so funny because that one guy was like waving his hands. He's like, no, say something. And he's like, okay, I guess. And he's like we're just happy to be here. And so, and it was so, but then the Dana.

1:11:25 Oh, dude, that's the thing, did you? You notice? then dana white's posture. He was out of his element. Hands like, hands like folded together, you mean when he was standing up there waiting to speak. He didn't know he was going to speak. No, you know, he didn't know, but like as soon as he was before and immediately after. Oh, really, because, okay. So dana white, this is big man, yeah, but not here, like not in not in, not in politics, not in these circles. I'm at a poker table. Yeah, big man yeah, you know big man on, you know all his other like in his, in his arenas, big man, but he just. I was hilarious to watch dana white, he was sheepish yeah, he had his hands folded, his shoulders were crunched in and he was looking down like he was like you could tell him being.

1:12:13 I could see him like it looked like a middle schooler. He was like you could tell him being I could see him like it looked like a middle schooler. He was like, what am I doing here? And just like. So it's kind of cool to see dana white, not you know, um, just a pumped up crazy man and all the, all the ego, but he's just kind of like you know, sitting there shoulders over, like, and he had this sheepish face on, standing next to all these like elite people who run our country and Trump's, just like, and Dana White, get up here. You got me on Trump, I mean. I'm Rogan. Yeah, you got to come up here and say something, but then Dana White just whipped out his like, he became Dana White, but as if it was a UFC announcer. And he's just going he deserves this. This family deserves it but then he had nothing else to say, so he's like I want to thank Theo Vaughn, so Theo Vaughn got the shout out all the streamers for having Trump on and then Joe Rogan, obviously, but it's hilarious, and Theo Vaughn has come up so much in the last few years.

1:13:14 It's funny how comedians are becoming also weirdly powerful individuals in our country. But it was just so funny to be like as it played out. I was like you ran out of stuff to say, so now you're going to thank people, which everybody does at a speech, and you're thanking the Rat King Hell yeah, and you're thanking the Rat King at the acceptance speech of this huge, contentious political man. I just thought it was hilarious and awesome. And then he immediately folded After he was all pumped up. He just folded his hands back down, shoulders up and just sunk back into the crowd. And then Trump's calling up people who aren't even up there with him, golfers who come up here and say something.

1:13:55 And then he started talking about Starlink like a grandpa and Elon great stuff he has. He has a communication device called Starlink have you heard of this? has anybody heard of Starlink? What the hell is this? I don't know what it is, but it's a communication device, Bro. It's a you set it down. Set it down to Charleston. It's satellites that give you internet, but he looked like a grandpa, just like I loved it. I loved it. I thought it was so funny and awesome and genuine from everybody up there. It was great up there.

1:14:38 Um, it was great, um, the uh. The only thing I said. My only critique of all those people up there talking was it was all about trump. The only thing anybody up there had to say that would have been awesome because was like, um, uh, like dana white, like this man deserves this, would be like if he had all he had said was you deserve this man. Oh, cause he's going to work for you. Yeah, like, like, what is? Is this about Trump or is this about us? Sure, anyways, any of this, and Trump brought it back around, talking about what he's going to do for us too, but it just was like a. There was a few missed opportunities. I think he opened it with a really great part. I think the opening speech was really good in that like he was talking about how every american, regardless of a political affiliation you know, deserves to live in a country that is strong, and like he's gonna work hard for every american, regardless if they voted for him or not and I was like, that was like the first, I think like like non-polarizing, three minutes from trump too oh, yeah, yeah, and I was really happy about that.

1:15:35 I was like you gotta acknowledge that. Like, yes, you got the popular vote, but like there's a lot of people who you know hate you and have tried to kill you. So, the fact that he did that. I was just like that's good. It was unreal, though the meltdown of Twitter and Reddit. I didn't see it. I stayed away from that. Today, reddit wasn't as bad as Twitter. But Twitter, bro the, it was literally they had to clean it off the front page but, kill myself, was trending and I was just like yikes, dude, that's unreal. And people like straight up seeing the map going red and they're like guys, the map going red and they're like guys, I swear I'm literally gonna sewer slide tonight.

1:16:17 And I was just like I can't imagine being in that position. I can imagine like the worst case scenario being like like if kamal had won, I would be like all right, well, time to work harder. I guess there's gonna be probably a couple more ruby ridges, but that's probably. I'm not going to harm myself you know what I mean they're going to be like. Well, I guess interest rates aren't improving the next four years. Yeah exactly Right. But like people are somehow convinced that like Trump literally wants to like genocide people, I'm like, ok, when did that happen his first time? Who protected you? No one. And when did he do it? Never, it was like you don't need to worry about it. So we'll see how things go.

1:16:59 I definitely appreciate his call to like camaraderie and you know his acknowledgement of other Americans. So we'll see how things pan out, but I genuinely think like the next two years will be an awesome, great step in the right direction. I'm oh I even welcome some, uh, economic downturn. Like I welcome an economic. Where's that? Where's the case of beer at? Don't grab another one of that. We gotta, we gotta draw out of the case of beer. oh, we're drawing from the beer. Yeah, yeah, there's two at the top. There's two at the top. Hold on, I got to stir them up for you. Oh, all right, all right. But, the downturn.

1:17:40 Yeah, the downturn. I just don't even. I think it'll be a quick upturn. Yeah, that's what I mean. I welcome a bad economy for the first year or two if it means destroying our amount of debt and the amount of spending the government does. Certainly. And so, yeah, I think that we kind of said it here where I think that the similar to I really appreciate Lincoln and his oh, I drew it. I drew the holiday. I drew the holiday ale people. All right, I think we're about to close it down here. I'm going to crack this beer as probably like the closing of this show you know, but here's the deal. I think that we've talked about Lincoln before and his ability to build a team around him of people who he disagreed with and just like how in the speech.

1:18:29 I love that Trump was like he was like, and Bobby, stay away from the black gold. He's referring to kennedy like he's like in his speech he's like bobby's gonna stay away from the black gold, don't worry, don't worry, but he's gonna be working on this over here. Yeah, um, he's putting people around him who he doesn't agree with a hundred percent, and that is how you build a strong team. Yep. What was it called for, lincoln? What was the team called? It's like. Lincoln's, lincoln's, like oh, it was that book by that lady. It's a, it was. I need it. We need to read the book and I've like I've read parts of it and things, but you know, essentially, you know to.

1:19:13 Team of rivals, team of you know it, to team of rivals. team of rivals exactly lincoln's team of rivals, and that's what we need. We need that's what we got this year and that's what we're getting. We're getting. Hopefully he continues to appoint people I guess, like it's it's all a conjecture now, but hopefully he appoints people who are his rivals and he can put his ego in check, um, throughout the next four years and actually work towards, you know, getting us where the, where the country needs to be. Amen. Hey, Ken, uh, thanks for joining us. We hope you're doing all right. Um, we hope that you're enjoying this, uh, cool down into November and uh, and yeah, we hope that if there's anything you're looking for, whether it be holiday gifts or anything like that, feel free to check out our links, especially to Primary Arms.

1:20:04 If you're looking for gifts for him, there's a lot of them on there. Oh yeah, We'll probably make a list. Even I think we should do a top 10 gifts for him this season. Make a Pat's Christmas list. Yeah, all right, uh, but anyways, uh, thanks for listening folks, and until next time. Wait, take a sip. Ugh Is it just as bad, it's bad. Okay, all right, hold it, mix this around and I'll draw. Alright, does he want me to draw this one, this one, this one?

1:20:59 No, no, oh, my god.