The Mick & Pat Show - The Big Snip and Life of John McAfee

0:02 well, I'm less of a man since the last time you saw me hey, don't say that, man don't don't talk to yourself. I like that not in a sense of masculinity, but they're just. There's literally a little less of me oh, isn't there a little less of all of us each week? or more depends on how much, how big of a firehouse sub we order, that's true, but there is definitely less of me this week, because I looked underneath the little towel after the doctor left the room I looked in the hemostat there was a little, uh little piece, a little piece of me pinched in that hemostat no way because this week I got the big old uh snip, snooze, snipper rooney.

0:47 And so I'll say, the morning of I was, my palms were a little sweaty, I was a little nervous, I was trying to keep it together, just like it was like catching up all of a sudden it's like, as the moment was approaching, was this the first surgery you'd ever had? No, I've had other ones, but the other ones were necessary. Like, like you know, like this is just so elective. Yeah, you know, that's part of it. Just be like you had other ones, but the other ones were necessary. Like you know, like this is just so elective. Yeah, you know, that's part of it. Just be like you know other ones where you have a health issue or complication, or you know an oral surgery, wisdom teeth, that sort of thing. It's really not so elective, as you know, when you're just deciding, hey, cut my old B-sack open and snip around in there for a second and it's not going to improve, like my personal, like health, or like make sure I live, or something you know yeah, yeah, it's not something that like helps you forego cancer, or something um but you know, for the, the uneducated, what pat pat is referencing um is a vasectomy, getting his balls and their highway to his wiener ding dong uh blocked permanently.

1:56 It's like the way I always imagined it was, of those aerial views, of those like round, not roundabouts, but those like, uh, right lane mergers onto the highway, you know, and like you take a right exit and it just comes around and then merges onto the next one, yeah, and you just keep shooting forward. I always just imagined it from like an aerial view of like, just like c4 detonation, just like ceasing to allow those things to merge. It's not wrong because they do dude, they uh, they use flames to get that thing done. No way, not truly. But I mean yes with a laser beam. They cauterize it. So wow, so you get in there, you lay down and uh yeah, step by step, walk me through this, all right.

2:38 So, like I said, I had a little bit of sweaty palms prior to. Yeah, so let's take a few meds an hour before. So I just you know, you know, you take one little diazepam, whatever. It makes you a little less anxious, a little relaxed, and you also take hydrocodone or Vicodin or whatever. Oh yeah, so I pop those an hour before. Bro, they give you Vicodin just to, like, chill you out. That's unreal. Well, no, no, no you out. That's unreal. Well, no, the ones to chill you out. The other one is for the pain, oh so they give it to you before the pain, before the pain. So you just so you get kind of just. You get a little bit, a little bit relaxed, you're pretty stoned if you're taking vicodin and it does also the doctor. He was like, he was like, um, he's like it's very uh. And the doctor's like totally like professional, he's like, he's like, um, it's, it's.

3:20 It's actually really cool how you know how, how the scrotal tissue reacts to Vicodin. It relaxes the tissue and allows me to do my work and you're like alright, it allows me to feel less of you touching my scrotal you know what is the scrotum, Because I know people who think it's like part of the shaft and I I've always believed the scrotum was like the tissue that holds the balls. Yeah, that's it right, yeah, but at some point, when, does it change? Like calves to ankles, exactly. If you have a little cankle scrotum going on, what's the Scrotum to shaft to Scrotum Scraft For sure.

4:00 Then there's a clear differentiation on the tip. But that's a whole other thing scrotum scraft for sure then there's a clear differentiation on the tip but that's a whole other thing. I'm out of my depth on this one, yeah, and out of my length but the um, but anyways. So you know you take a few pills before get to the doctor and uh, got there. My appointments for 11. I got there at 1045, at uh, 1047. They call me back there. I'm like oh, that's crazy, and got there my appointment's for 11. I got there at 10.45. At 10.47,. They call me back there. I'm like, oh, that's crazy. On time I was like sitting my butt in the chair like ready to wait 15 minutes. I'm like Mr Pat and I'm like oh, right now, like we have to do this. Now I was like okay, like I thought I had 15 minutes to kind of calm down, wow, down, but wow, uh.

4:41 So this older lady walks me back there. You know, older nurse, she's like all right, you know, um, and she has, like she's holding a razor and then a box of instruments, wow, and I'm just like all right, like did you? pre-scape the night before I did, knowing I did I pre-scape mindful thing. So I pre-scaped not a very hairy man as it stands, but Sure, sure, but still I took some work upon myself, yeah yeah. And then, but I'm like, oh my God, like is this old lady about to shave my balls? Like I don't know if I'm ready for that. Yes, I. Just this is not something I'm particularly. I feel like I'd be okay with that, you know, because, like, I feel like I could like with that, you know because, like, I feel like I could like, just like, at that point I mean I wouldn't be okay with it but I guess I could be like it's better you than anyone else yeah and so, anyway, she sets the razor down, sets the utensils down.

5:38 She's like, alright, like you know, date of birth, whatever. And then, okay, please disrobe. And like she said that, like, as like she also like she said that and then finished the rest of her sentence. Yeah, and I was already like pulling my pants down and then she just walked out, but she like, so she turned and left. As I was like pulling my pants down, I was realizing like, oh, like she opened the door yeah, but, yeah, but I was also realizing like oh, like I wasn't supposed to get naked in front of you yet. Good thing you just turned and left, because I was just dropping trout, right now for you. Okay, you know, because I'm confused. I bet that happens all the time. I bet why she turned so quick. Yeah, she's like and please disrobe, and just like walks out. I'm just like wait, so what's happening now?

6:19 So the shaving thing? I have no idea what's happening now. Come back, come back. I've only heard stories. Aren't you going to shave my balls Exactly? Look, am I supposed to do it right now? Just dry, just dry shave. Yeah, the surgeon comes in there. I'm just dry shaving Like sandpaper, oh my God. So, anyways, pull my pants down and, as she leaves a second later, knock on the door like come in. It's like my, my doctor. He's like all right, like go ahead and sit down. So it's, this is not in a surgical room, this is in a doctor's office. And nuts are out, yeah, and I'm just standing there Like I didn't wear it. Nuts out, yeah, and so he comes in and he just like, like, so I sit on like the crinkly paper, but um, so I sit on the crinkly paper and the soft pad from like the 70s, it's on all doctor's benches or whatever.

7:11 Yeah, he's like all right, lay back. So he lays me back and then he's like, as I'm laying back, I'm like all right, like kind of getting, like just getting settled, um. And what was impressive about this dude is he walked in in a full suit oh wow, like a suit, not a suit, not even like his scrubs on. He was wearing a mask, but he was walked in. He was just wearing a suit like dress shirt Guy in a mask in a suit came in. Yeah, did he have a full head of hair. Yes, yeah, this is. Christian. This is Christian Bale from American Psycho, bro. Yeah, that was not a doctor. He's just in there to play around with you, exactly, but it did kind of give me some confidence. Oh, this guy's just like he's sharp looking. I lay back and he starts like he lays me back, brings me up and he kind of starts building like a.

7:55 He puts blankets or like towels, like around my business. So it's like, you know, the work area is the only thing exposed, yeah, but as that happens, this young lady walks in. I'm like, oh God Right. So I'm like, so then I like young, attractive lady, I don't know because I locked it down so hard. I will say Hell yeah, I was afraid of getting an erection during this procedure Right. I don't know what you know. I still don't know what's happening with the razor right now. Option one old lady's gone. Now I've got a young lady and a guy in a suit. He's looking pretty good himself. I don't know what's about to happen. Oh, I'm a little bit, you know, a little high on this Vicodin. I'm just, you know. So, anyways, I'm staring at the light bulb like dead, just like burning a hole in my retina.

8:38 And I see she comes in and I like glance at her and she like, I mean like, like, like a 0.000 nanosecond, like glance, like who is that? I'm like, oh, like young woman, okay, like staring straight at the ceiling, staring straight at the ceiling, and then I don't even remember what they said. They exchanged like two sentences. She handed him an instrument and then she left. That's like, oh, thank you. Like the coast is clear, here we go. And she did take this thing and like a big sticker and stick it on my thigh. That's what she did. So she did approach the thigh area. So then I was staring at the light bulb. What? did the sticker say. It was a big metallic sticker with a wire sticking off of it that goes to a box. I wonder what that, what it does.

9:18 Me too, I was wondering, too. I'm like what is this for? Like it grounds you from what it is grounding. It does ground you. And I was like is this, in case I start like is this a part of, like an AED? Like what's about to happen? Like how serious is this? I don't know. So, anyways, she leaves after she sticks a sticker on my thigh. Now we're in the clear. On the boner alert. At least Hold on me. Ask this at this point have they put up like a thing to shield you from them, just lifting up, you know, the trunk of your wing and examining what to do? No, no, so there's nothing blocking you from seeing them taking like glinting metal objects toward your don't. So I can't see my business because I'm laying flat on my back, you know.

10:01 And so with my head back, there's a joke there, but I know no. But I wonder what I'm saying is because? no, because there is like a part where, like sometimes, like yeah, like you would put a shield up so you can't see it. But I could see the instruments, but I can't see my business. I would still need something up I would need. I can't see them at all I wouldn't be able to see the instruments or them. I'd have to be like there's nothing going on down there I. I did see a guy. What I could see is like man in a suit, putting on gloves and grabbing like a needle and like clearing it. And then just like heading down south with it, right, why don't you just pull your? shirt over your head. I would have been like a pure coward. Hey Doc, I'm just going to pull my shirt over my face, oh, OK.

10:41 I guess. And so no, this guy was such a pro though he's like um, he talked me through every single thing he was doing and like um, he's like all right, here we're doing this all right, like little, we're gonna all right, we're gonna numb all right. There we go like all right, can you feel this? Like yeah, a little bit, all right, numb me up some more, all right, and this is gonna be a sting like oh, yeah, yeah, that stings. You know whatever, um and then um, and then he's like, and then he kept. He was like all right, like I'm gonna find the vaz, like the vaz devrons. He's like I'm gonna find it and I'm gonna kill it. Like kill it. Like that's what he's talking, it's like all right. So he's like he's what is the vans, the vaz devrons? Is the? Is the highway? Oh, it's the highway. Is the little, the little ramen, noodle it? runs up to the to the intersection. Yes, um, carries your swimmers to the juice.

11:26 So the swimmers go to the juice. The swimmers go to the juice. Yeah, the swimmers are people on a bus. Yeah, the swimmers live in the juice, and then it all goes where it needs to go. Yeah, the swimmers are taking public transportation. Exactly. And just because you detonate the highway doesn't mean public transportation isn't still running. That's true there, just ain't nobody in it there's nobody on. And just because you detonate the highway doesn't mean public transportation isn't still running. Sure, there just ain't nobody in it. There's nobody on the bus At least hopefully. Yeah, just got one lone one in there about to ruin the whole make it all not worth it. That'd be funny. But he's like, yeah, are we going to kill it? And he's like, all right, can you feel that I'm like I can still feel that? Can you feel that I'm like I can still feel that he's like I'm ready to numb you up more, or else you're going to really feel this next part? So he like numbs it up some more. And now is each numbing another stinging shot.

12:09 Uh no, after like the first, like every, it progressively got to where, like I could not feel it. So he starts with like lefty, so it's one incision where he opens it all up big Like I'm you can get to both sides spreads it batwing yeah, he's, yeah, he's going batwing. He went right in the middle seam now he can go both sides and he's um, um, but, and then there's, just like it looks like a humidifier, like a very active humidifier is coming between my legs, just because he's carterizing that thing, oh really, which is what the grounding pad was for. Because he just has this thing and he's like he just did a quick, like could you feel that? And I was like a little bit. And he's carterizing that thing, oh really, which is what the grounding pad was for? Because he just has this thing and he's like he just did a quick, like could you feel that? And I was like a little bit. And he's like all right, numbs you up some more.

12:49 And then he goes full, like All right, and then like does a little more things. He's like all right, like time for the other side, my God. So yeah, and you can. I'll tell you this. You can smell it. Now, some guys have been very disturbed by it. It smells like burnt hair. Oh, okay that's all right. So it's not that bad. But if guys aren't ready for it. There's certain guys who have, like they get real freaked out about it. Like they're like, I can smell my nuts burning. Man, I can smell them. I'm like, eh, like it's, you can deal with it, but if you don't know about it's a little surprising. So, anyways, moves over to righty, and at this point, like it's all pretty numb, he's like shooting up, he's like numbing even more like.

13:31 So how far has the numbness spread? Like is it? Is it to the point where you're like I actually can't feel my thighs, I can't feel my? knees anymore. I would say everything was numb as far as like the only I could feel when he grabbed the string, but I could feel it in my belly butt, yeah, you know, like getting hit in the nuts. So I could feel that just like a little tugging, but below that I couldn't feel anything was that as bad as? uh? He told you it was gonna be. I said it went better than he said he like. I think during the consult he kind of gives you the like the worst case feeling and I think I also went really smooth because it can be bad for other guys. If you can get a, you know it can be. It can be a lot of like cartilage or fat, or not cars, but fat around stuff and it's like it's hard to find.

14:12 There's nerves in there. They can hit and stuff, and so, anyways, once he's moved on to the right side, now at this point I'm like I'm doing good, I'm fine, and I'm like should I watch? Like should I sit up and watch this next part? And I wanted so bad to like sit up and watch and I didn't. Good, but I really wanted to. I was so tempted to and I was like, I think, like because, because I was holding it together so good, I was like let's not ruin a good thing. Yeah, I'm doing fine. Now let's not look up. You just see your shriveled, terrified wiener yeah, and then you see one nut smoking and the other one's getting cut open. No way, dude, you're not in a million years disemboweled because at that point I was like, all right, we're fine. I was like you know, you know what we're just gonna.

14:53 We're doing good, we're gonna keep it clean here. So, anyways, he finishes up that one real fast, gets everything you know cauterized up and he's like all right, put one stitch in, puts a stitch in, just one. He didn't feel that, which was very nice to not feel a stitch going through your old, your old saccharine, because I'll back up to the part of, like the manscaping prior to I did nick myself twice. Oh yeah, and that made me even more nervous. I was like, because those nicks hurt and I was stinging a little bit. But for, like people who are too afraid, like it's not like you're going to nick it, and then it's like it doesn't hurt that much, but it hurts enough that it was making me. I've done it in the past and not thought much of it. But now I was thinking like, oh my God, if this hurt that much, how bad is tomorrow going to be?

15:37 Because you're like this little tiny electric razor barely did anything. I'm screwed tomorrow. So, anyways, but at this point we're good. He got it all, he sewed it up and, um, he's like all right, get the stitches taken out, or it's just it's just one stitch, it dissolves, and he's like he's like all right, like we're all done, like good job, and like he's like so I just stood up on my feet and he left the room. I put my pants on, you could stand afterwards. That's what I'm saying. I've heard a lot of people say they were too numb to stand no, he was just like. He was like all right. So I just stood up, put my pants on. Like it's surprising, like no one was in there to like make sure you don't fall and hit your head and out the nose, just like. All right, stand up, put your pants on. Stood up, put my pants on and at that point was when I saw like the, the little medical table with all the towels on and I was like I got to look under there and I'm like lifting it up and peeking under there, and that's when the hemostat was.

16:29 I saw a little pinched, pinched piece of a tube in there, a little bit of blood, a little bit of you know stuff. But as I'm doing that, the door opens again and now it looked like a weirdo. So like I put the thing down and turned around. I just figured I had to eat it, yeah. And then I walked out of there and, like I said, it was 11.45 when we got there, 11.47 when I went in, walked out to get my ride home and it was 11.03. Wow, that's crazy dude, bing bang bong. You think he just picks a suit out and then he's like this is my actual, like cutting nuts open suit.

17:12 The rest of these are my consultation suits. Well, I think he probably actually was just straight up dressed for how he dresses that day, like I think it's so routine to him he doesn't even care. And one thing that gave me confidence where I was like I think it's so routine to him he doesn't even care. And one thing that gave me confidence where I was like this guy's not even concerned about getting blood on his. He didn't roll his sleeves up. You know, like yeah, like he just keeps it clean and he just operated, did what he knew how to do. That's when you know you're good at something, bro, when you can do something that's messy like that and you know you're like I'm not kidding anything, I will say, there was a drop of blood on the floor. So like I did like there was, you know, it's like there, how cinematic, though just one drop, yeah, I know, but it just was like, which is kind of like I was looking at, kind of like oh, I wonder if he's like ocd and he's like just thinking about that all day he's like son of a bitch.

17:59 That was almost the cleanest one I've ever done it's like eating a chipotle burrito without dropping one piece of rice. Oh gosh, but I was just looking down and I was like that, that that be from my nuts, that's my nut blood and uh. I uh pulled my pants up and I walked out of there. That's crazy dude. All right, so now, after everything wore off, did you feel any pain or achiness? No, I mean I no feeling of getting kicked in the nuts a little bit. So it was like that day I just went home does it feel like blue balls. That's what I hear. A lot of people wonder um, nope, doesn't feel like blue balls, not in my case. I went home and I iced on and off 15 minutes on, 15 minutes off, the whole rest of the day till night time, watched like two or three movies, rotating the frozen peas in and out, and uh, um, and then also throughout that day I did take some more like vicodin, it like in the afternoon and then before I went to bed, and then now it's been three days and that that was the only the only the first days when I took like pain meds.

18:59 The next, the next day, I haven't taken anything. Since I've been out and about. You don't have any weird reactions to vicodin. Uh no, I I hallucinate yeah, I just like I lose my. I just wake up the next day, blacked out and I see videos of myself on on the evening news. Yeah, that's funny was uh, was mace windu nice to you, was she a good nurse oh yeah oh, yeah, she helped make you food and rub your head. She mostly she was. She exchanged the bag of peas in and out as needed and got the kids out of the house. That's the number one. The number one killer is like just keep the kids from jumping on your nuts. If the kids gave me the flying knee to the crotch then I would have had a serious like issue.

19:39 I think you know. So yeah, I did last night. I was like you know. So yeah, yeah, I did. Last night. I was like all right, like the mother-in-law was in town, she watched the kids. I'm like okay, like I'm gonna get some Christmas shopping done, because I I rarely get it done before like the 22nd. I'm a bad Christmas shopper. I'm gonna go get it done. And I ended up at Walmart for one of the things and I was walking back in there and this was day two, end of the day, no painkillers and I did like get a cart and I walked back and I made it to the back of Walmart and I was starting to hurt a little bit. And I was like. and then in the back of my mind, I'm like I'm going to get stuck back here. I'm not going to be able to make it back to the car. It just keeps progressing keeps progressing.

20:27 But I was fine, but that's funny. Yeah, man, that's funny, man. Well, do you feel older, do you feel like an old man now? Um, do you feel like? This is something I feel like? a lot of guys get done in their 40s I know I feel a little bit kids late, it's a little bit early, a little bit early, not not that old for it, but uh, I I feel fine, but I feel good about it because you know we have. Well, yeah, it's got to be an agreed upon decision. I just meant, like you know, if it was like sinking in with you and you're like, wow, like the, the making babies part of my- life is over. Yeah, no, there is like a little piece of that. That is like there's obviously the man pride piece and things Guys like oh, I don't know if I can do that, you know, spread my seat, whatever. But like also, you know, there's like that, but what really?

21:07 It is surreal like I've had three kids going in there being like um, when the older nurse was in there, she had me sign a piece of paper and you know we just called a vasectomy, you're getting sniffed, right. But then she's like this, you're signing. She's just like you're signing this paper agreeing to be sterilized. Today I was like sterilized, no, I'm just getting snipped. That's too heavy a word. We can undo this though. It's the heaviness of, okay, this is a somewhat serious decision and there's a piece of it. Okay, there is consequence, and there's a piece of it. You're like, okay, like there is consequence for like you know what, what's happening, um, and so, yeah, there's a little bit of like you know, definitely there's like acceptance of a stage of your life, like, okay, we're like we're moving to the next stage, like we're not going to have more kids and that's fine and and like things can be shift around and you can you know, can get it reversed.

22:04 It's not necessarily that easy, but you can get it reversed. And also, in my mind, what I'm resolved to is we've got three beautiful kids and if we really feel like someday another one is in store, there's a lot of kids out there who also need a home. So it's like there's other options, other ways, other things that can be like a part of our future. But there is, yeah, pete. So some guys are like well, welcome to the club. You know you're in the club now, and so we were talking earlier too about how this was an elective surgery and it's not like it's keeping me from getting cancer, yeah, but on the flip side, it is maybe keeping someone else from getting cancer, and that would be old Mace Windu.

22:48 The biggest reason around it is get off the pill, get off birth control, these things and be able to just have natural body function and not be on that for a long, long, long time. When did Mace Windu stop taking the pill? Um, she hasn't yet. Oh because, well, because the uh, um, she will soon, cause you got, we got to go get the. So after a couple of weeks, after you got to go get your stuff tested and make sure that it worked. Yeah, because sometimes it doesn't work. There's guys who don't ever. Basically, you got to take some jizz in a cup, drop it off at the freaking office and be like here's my specimen, if you all use medical terminology.

23:38 Here's my sample and they test it to make sure that the sectium was successful. But there's guys who've been in the short term. There's two parts to it. You also have to to use some more medical terms. You do have to ejaculate a number of times to make sure that you know Really Clear the chamber. You got to clear the chamber. That kind of makes sense. And then, in the long term also, you have to. You do need to get it tested to make sure it was successful, because there's some guys who in the short term didn't clear the chamber, get pregnant again. Also, there's some guys who, like seven years down the road thought they were good and then get pregnant again.

24:18 And that is surprising when you're like your youngest is like starting middle school and then you have a baby you're like what in the world. So gotta get tested, gotta make sure it worked, um, yeah, yeah. So at that point, that's when we'll kind of, you know, phase out all that, you know, other other contraceptive stuff, so sure yeah, well, that makes sense. That makes sense. I am, uh, I'm feeling like an old man. Oh yeah. Yeah, I got some aches and pains today. My back's just been killing me and I was just thinking about that of like when I was coming over here. You know, I'm gonna hear from pat on how his vasectomy went. That's kind of an old man thing I was like I just had my young, beautiful hot wife doing yoga and rubbing my back out and like doing you know, it just was like one of those things where, like she was helping me stretch it out and like do the bean microwave bag on it, all that stuff, and I was like I walked my dog for like about a mile and I was in so much pain I was like I might have to stop this walk and I just saw myself in like the reflection of like a window on a storefront, walking my dog, yeah, and my posture was just stiff.

25:40 Oh no, my legs were stiff, looking a little hunchy. I had that, yeah, seriously, and I'm like what's happening? What's happening to me right now? Um, so I just think we're starting to get old, dude, did you? do something, or you just need to. No idea, you just need to get on I think that's the worst part get back in. That's the worst part it's like I didn't do. It's not that I didn't do it like a young man thing, it's because you're doing nothing. It's probably because I'm doing nothing. And so it just sucks. Yeah, it does. It sucks so much. Oh, man, about to hit that big 3-0. God.

26:21 Yep, got to get back in the old gym, old gym stretching. I gotta get back, dude. I've been out for a long time you know, but your job keeps you active well, it used to before you had all your peons doing the hard labor yeah, and part of the problem is it is somewhat labor intensive but it's not like a healthy exercise. It's like you know being like hunched over, crawling or like you know like whatever. Yeah, I lift a 50 60 pound roll of vapor barrier, but not in like proper form. You're like literally in a crawl space, like, yeah, like you know, like when your back's extended too far and you're lift, like you know, lifting something like that's, like, that's all right.

27:06 So the uh, I gotta get back on the game. You gotta do something yeah, I gotta. I mean, I do think, like walk my dog has been actually great, like I feel really good. There's some days I do like all three of her walks. Other days, billy jean will do you two or three of the walks and we take her for five to six miles a day basically and that definitely feels good. You know, now it's just like I got to start doing like body weight and weight bearing things again, you know, and just get back into the routine of that. For sure, especially if you're anywhere out there. If you've got a type of desk type job, whatever, it's easy for it to sneak up on you too if you're in a lot of sitting well, I just never get.

27:51 I've, I mean, I've been working from home, sitting at a desk on the computer or whatever for, like you know, eight hours a day and I've never had pain like this that I can remember, like just sneaking up on me. So that's why I'm like how does this happen one day? Why wasn't it kind of hurting yesterday? You know what I mean? Yeah, just all of a sudden it happens. Backs are weird that way, man, backs are fragile. Yeah, and I'm going to sleep and then it's going to go away. I'm going to forget about it. You know what I mean. Like go to sleep tonight and it's gonna be done, yep, but um, anyways, there's, there's some stuff we're talking about. Oh yeah, um, you asked about, uh, when we're getting ready for the show.

28:32 You asked about the drones and what my thoughts on the whole drone situation were. Yeah, so I guess I just want to let you, I guess, describe to me what you're really asking. Yeah, you know, like, because there's a lot of drone context stuff, is it? You know a lot of people are like all these drones are flying over new jersey. You're on camera and then you watch a couple videos. You're like, do people forget what planes are? Oh, yeah, you didn't know. Like, some of the busiest airports in the nation are on both ass ends of germ, I mean not germany, ass ends of jersey, and so like it kind of makes sense that like there's a lot of planes, but like you watch those and I'm just like, dude, those are planes, those are planes coming down to land at an airport.

29:15 Like what are people smoking right now? Um. But then there's other ones I've seen of like yeah, that's definitely an object hovering in place, you know, low elevation, um, or it's demonstrating like zigzag behavior. And then I've seen ones that were, of course, recordings of like the quote-unquote orbs around the washington dc capital, uh, you know, around around the White House and the Capitol building, and they aren't. I don't think they're floating, unidentified floating orbs. I genuinely believe they are drones. Yeah, but also here's one thing a lot of people don't get is like you can see planes landing and taking off every two minutes from JFK there.

30:06 You know what I mean, and maybe not JFK. What is that one? It's not JFK. I can't remember the super busy airport right next to the Capitol In Newark. Yeah Well, I know it's out there, oh no, in the Capitol yeah. Yeah, and bro, I was recording them taking off and landing when I was there recently and the. I was there recently and the cloud coverage was really low and swampy and foggy. Yeah, it looks like alien lights flying overhead, but I'm like dude, these are planes. What are the people smoking? Like? It's a. Anyways, all I said I will what? What are you referencing when you say the? drone. Yeah, I mean over the past, like you know what, four or five days people saying you know there's been lots of drone sightings in new jersey, lots of things going on with it, lots of pictures coming out from.

30:52 You know whether who knows if it's there somewhere else. There's a picture from little like a dji drone type. You know all the way over to like the huge, like, uh, you know the big one or octagon. Octagon like the eight uh, eight prop um drones are about the size of like a, you know, human, like six foot wide, and so you know I was. And then, like some people have speculated that you know there was some nuclear material that did go missing in new jersey over the last couple days interesting, and so they're wondering if they're, if they're trying to hunt down like where that went. Uh, basically it was a piece of hospital equipment that had nuclear material in it. When it showed up to be disposed of, um, the crate was damaged and empty, so it's gone.

31:35 That is not good and so, and that's kind of, like you know, the phrase nuclear material is a could be a little bit misleading like I don't know how much hospital equipment out there has enough nuclear material in it to, uh, really do like big things with right or whatever. So, like you know, and so you know, I'm speaking out of my bro science bro cap here, but you know, it's like I don't know if, a bunch of if. Like you know, I'm pretty sure if hospitals had equipment that had enough nuclear material in it to make something dangerous or do something bad with, I think people would be robbing hospitals all the time. I'd be headed down to the local one and I'd be hawking that thing over to Iran right now.

32:20 Yeah, no, it's like I've looked into this as well, because a lot of people use nuclear material Like a lot of people don't realize, but like we use nuclear material for all of our like concrete and essentially like dirt testing, for like before we lay a foundation for something, and that the material is highly regulated and you know those devices that do that testing are monitored and locked and secure day in and day out. But yeah, you can't just get one of them and then build uh, from what I understand you know, a nuclear bomb with it, you know, or uh, atom bomb, like you have to acquire quite a bit of material.

33:01 The concern with, I think, that other, that other material, that like radiative, radiation, material radioactive um is because it can be used on a non-nuclear way, right like in a dirty bomb, where you put it with other stuff and then you blow up in a pipe bomb and then now you have radiated nails flying, you know, over a quarter mile radius into a bunch of people and now you got a lot of people who are getting radiation poisoning and the whole area is contaminated and needs to get locked down. And it's one of those things where, like I believe, it's essentially like conceptually, um, you know, it can be used to terrify a population, but also like shut down a whole area because now they have to do contamination cleanup and that's a pretty invasive and technical process.

33:56 That's true, and some articles I'm seeing here are saying drones were not tracking missing radioactive material in New Jersey Like four or five articles on that. So half me thinks all right, they weren't. The other half of me goes well, then they definitely were. If that's what all the articles are saying but you know, yeah, like we're saying, it's not like someone lost a suitcase nuke, it's not 20, an episode of jack bauer, 24 out there with the drones, yep, the and I think the part that lots of people aren't. The reason why lots of people are interested in it is because the United States isn't necessarily just going to let a whole bunch of drones, large ones and in certain airspaces, just be flying around at certain altitudes and all over the place, like even your little consumer drones.

34:57 They can only go so high. You can put them up there pretty high, but they do have governors and certain things on them or different settings or warnings, and they're relatively small, you know. And so if you have a whole bunch of actually larger drones up in the sky around, patrolling like somewhere like New Jersey, on our coast, in a super high air traffic area, I don't know that one one, the government's gonna not see it through monitoring or to not do anything about it. Which leads us to the other question is why are they saying we don't know what these things are?

35:39 Because if anybody knows, I'd assume it would be the people who have all the equipment to know what they are. Yeah, so, like I saw this posted on Reddit, which you know is not my reason for source or anything like that I do know of this device. Essentially that was used just for tracking and understanding how fast we can be tracking from satellites and how small of an object. And there's essentially the equivalent thing of the size of like a baseball, and this is a device that's like in the, I believe, atlantic Ocean and it's used every once in a while, especially like testing satellites and like if everything is working like program-wise.

36:29 It's pretty much like go find this specific baseball in the ocean and track it from 6,000 miles up in the atmosphere. You know what I mean and a lot of people like don't know it, but that is like a way we, a way we essentially government wise are testing and like, um, training new people on how to operate the satellites as well as like making sure the satellites operate, uh, correctly, and so it's, it's a pretty technical marvel it's pretty awesome. Yeah, so you're saying we can, we can find a baseball if we can have a satellite doing that. It can do that for other things much bigger, moving faster, uh, and a much more easier to locate area. Specific location.

37:11 Additionally, this whole thing with these orbs, drones by the White House. It's like that's easily the most monitored airspace in the world. There's not another place on the face of the of planet earth with a more closely monitored and tracked airspace. Um, I cannot imagine there's any single thing flying around there that they aren't immediately aware of and able to pinpoint like one. Where did it come from? Where is it going? Who built it? And yada, yada. Right now I do see these weird things where they're like trying to show you know two drones and everyone calls them orbs and it's like, well, it's just a light on the bottom of this thing, right, um, and they show them interacting and then one flying away and zipping around and it's kind of interesting.

38:03 Someone was like, oh, this drone flew up to this orb and then the orb electrocuted it and then the drone fell down and crashed and the air force said no one to approach these drones, excuse me, because they're radioactive and yada, yada. Okay, what I'm saying here is that there's a whole lot of rumors. I haven't read anything anywhere of a psa or found a news story anywhere where the air force or anyone has said hey, don't go near these drones because they they're probably radioactive, and I can't find a single video that people are talking about here of the drone being electrocuted and shot down by whatever the glowing orb is.

38:44 I do see videos of what appears to be multiple drones flying around and flying up to other drones. Uh, I see, like I said, dude, there's so many videos I'm looking at that are just like someone was like glowing white orb turns into drone and that's just a plane flying overhead, banking, and then you see its wings, yeah, or like it's so unreal to me how dumb people are and or like a drone, even if a drone is light on. I was thinking about tonight. I kind of wanted to take my drone and tape a high powered flashlight To the bottom of it and go fly. Also, here's the deal too. How many people would try to shoot?

39:25 at it. I know I'm not the only person who owns a little drone. And I'm not the only person who thinks this way or so as the hysteria grows, I guarantee you there's people sending up their own little things. Oh, yeah and if I you know, yes, I could you could put a high power, a pretty high powered flashlight on the bottom of my drone, send it up 400 feet in the air and cruise over Northern Colorado and I could get some lady on the next door app or or the city Facebook page taking pictures of it, talking about what they saw It'd be even better if, like we just like, had changing lights on it you know Like does not like.

40:09 I saw it changed to red and then examine and then move on. Yeah, it's like, yeah, okay and also I'd also like have like a little cup, a solo cup, of dry ice. Oh so, it looks smoky, so it's smoking, and orby, oh yeah, I mean, I mean, this doesn't take a genius, it takes my dumb ass with, like, like you know, a couple materials to make it pretty wild. Um, that being said, I think there is something going on here. I think there's also people playing into the narratives, probably people also launching their own little drones and doing little things, just even to be silly. Um, yeah, there are. They are saying that people are. They're asking people to stop trying to take down the drones, because lots of people are using laser pointers to try to take down the drones, which won't actually really take down a drone.

40:58 A laser pointer, yeah, but laser pointers do jack with pilots flying airplanes and we can mess up those guys. And so, anyways, they're like, please stop. You're just shining these on planes. Yeah, and that's like a federal crime you know, to blind a pilot, oh yeah, um, so anywho, yeah, no, this is pretty silly. Uh, here's a great, here's a great one. Right, I'm looking at this thing, this video that says drone approaching an orb in los angeles, now, even at night. This phone camera recording this on december 15th in los angeles has such bad glare from the street lamps that it looks like there's three or four orbs that are just shimmering.

41:43 And then there's a flashing like a drone image. It looks like approaching some kind of possible other hovering drone, and then they back away. And the person with the most logical answer here is like that is venus, the orb is venus, the drone getting near it is a plane. And then the plane is banking away towards the airport and like you watch that with that and you're like oh yeah, that's totally what it is. And everyone's like come on, why couldn't they just test these in secret?

42:26 Another person's like I don't know, wouldn't the simplest answer be that the government have seen how drone warfare has escalated in Ukraine and these orbs have been created to be a defense, the drones interacting with them? Again, is the government testing how successful the orbs are against the latest aggressive drone tech? They're not going to admit this, though they don't want to announce it to foreign powers, although it's clear that this is happening and it's just like uh, no, it's, it's just, it's just the north star, it's just venus and planes, um, but no, and like that's, of course, downvoted, like anytime someone says that. It's like guys, this is, this is just planes, and someone's like, okay, I just saw four of these videos posted back to back to back of the drone approaching a glowing orb, a spot of four orange orbs, yada, yada, and people are just talking and it's like, wow, no way they.

43:20 You mean to tell me four people recorded one of the brightest objects in our night sky, another planet and planes flying in the sky at night near it, like how hard could that have been with perspective? You know, so it is. It is just kind of um, we're not dealing with, like the most critical thinking analysts here in regards to, like, the potential, uh, potential, like results of this. Um, a lot of people are saying that uh, dgi, dgis are known to go up to like 1600 feet. Yeah, you can send it high. You have to turn off the governor. You can take them up there yeah, and like you again, you put a lamp on that, you fly it up there like you are gonna have no comprehension of perspective between that and a plane and and honestly, 200 feet yeah, you don't have to go that high because it's so small.

44:12 Yeah, you know it's so small, the way it's moving. Um, yeah, Some of these videos like I'm looking at one right now it's like this looks like, uh, it's not that high and so, yeah, either it's huge and it's up there or it's it's like 200 feet up there flying over the trees. So I guess I think there's a lot of different things going on, but do you think that there's any real validity or spooky things going on with drones? Well, who was that chick that was just on the Sean Ryan show again? What's her name? Sarah Adams, is that her name? I? believe it is on the Sean Ryan show. Again, what's her name? Sarah Adams? Is that her name? I believe it is, but you know she used to work for the CIA and she's talking about how her, as a consultant, with all the other people she's working with, are essentially consulting and informing the government and other agencies about the insanely high level the US is at for a terrorist attack.

45:10 Like it is unreal how insecure we are right now as a nation to another 9-11 event. um, just like basic precautions have been avoided and neglected and um not taken seriously did you say something along the lines of like there's like known of a thousand like al-qaeda members in america or something like that. That's like and it was like something like that, and that's of known like why aren't we getting rid of them, right, and that's like why aren't we just posting their names? And addresses and, as we've known, anytime, whatever a known number is, usually the real number is different a little bit more, usually particularly larger.

45:51 Yeah, um, well, here's the thing too, even from like an outside thing, like Usually the real number is different. A little bit more, usually Particularly larger. Yeah, well, here's the thing too, even from an outside thing like bro did you see the latest Taliban training video that she showed Sean? Yeah, I saw it when they posted a couple weeks ago, wasn't? that bonkers? Oh yeah, I mean Dude. I'm going to be honest. That guy's more squared away that Taliban shooter Now you know he may be in the top 90th 95% of Taliban shooters. That guy was more squared away than like 90% of people I know. And you're my friends, right, yeah, yeah, and no for sure. And yeah, and it is a video so you can redo takes and things, but at the same time, it was not not not what we saw when we were kids of any sort of like footage from yeah, it was not goofy jokey.

46:41 Yeah, it was not. It was not man jamas, yeah, and a rifle from the 70s dude was wearing like 511 gear and running an AR and a transition pistol setup and fast fast, fast and like yeah, and to her point in that podcast she was like and these are like the, not the best guys, Like that was Taliban, that's not Al-Qaeda, and so Taliban, you know? To her point being that, like you know, Taliban has their guys, what they're doing, but Al-Qaeda is the next level. They'd spend way more time training. They spend way more they have way more uh, um, uh, resources, you know, and what they do, and so and I've thought about this for a long time actually watching a lot of gun tubers and stuff.

47:27 I'm like you know, if you lots of gun tubers get flack for, like you know, kind of just like being unrealistic or certain things, but I will say, like youtube, university can teach you a lot of things and you could just go on there and if you wanted to take a group of people who have no idea how to operate a weapon or how to move through something, you can watch a bunch of channels of americans who yes, they really were special operators, who really are showing you how to operate and move through something you should play jerry mitchell lick videos on repeat with dubbed, like a farsi and it that will make them better.

48:10 Oh yeah, and they. It's completely open and accessible for them, right? So it's like there is an underbelly to like the. Oh, it's cool, I get to like watch. How to, you know, reload faster so that I can be a better airsofter, you know, or whatever. But also, you're not the only one who's watching these videos, yeah it is pretty crazy. It is one of those things, though, that, like I do believe that we will see a deep, deep shift across those organizations to a to go. I think they will go for more of like the um, scattered like wide area of effect, as much as possible, with as little training as possible to like man.

48:58 We've really put a lot of time and effort into training these dudes. Like we should be more of a scalpel, and I think we may see that like we're not going to be getting as many like suicide bombers or as many like give dude full auto machine gun. He doesn't really know how to use it that well, he's not probably precise, but he just goes to a club and just starts shooting people up. Right, he doesn't need to be accurate because there's, it's a opportunity environment, um, or target rich environment. But then now, if you have these guys that you're putting, you know, thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars of equipment into and training, you start thinking like these guys might be able to do something, like in a place where we can't just like get precise, like in a place where, like we would used to be, like all right, well, let's put, you know, three guys in car bombs and drive three cars at this building.

49:55 Maybe one of them gets through and they probably won't kill who we really, really want to kill. Right, they'll scare the hell out of them. They'll kill other people, yeah. It's like, it's like, of course, the Taliban or Al Qaeda now, like there's no way we're getting a car bomb into the White House. We could get a couple car bombs probably, like you know, within a few blocks before they're neutralized and that would scare the piss out of everybody. And now they're probably thinking but what if we had this, you know, highly equipped, highly kitted, highly trained team with that's having like drone coverage running for them, and we try to do, you know, some kind of scalpel surgery here.

50:35 Maybe we start small and we accept we're not going to get into the white house, but we probably will get into the capitol building in, I don't know, houston, whatever, right, right, and it's one of those things that like, again, this is all me, just yeah uh, what's the word? theorizing? Theorizing, yeah, gaming planning exactly. Yeah, like I don't have any real intel to support any of this um other than like what we've seen and our common sense, like if anybody wanted to be like how do I want to complete my mission, and if your mission is what these people's mission are. They're refining it and like and the scary part of it is like I do like one of my buddies I'll won't forget he was in the first wave that went into afghanistan uh, army guy and like when he came back he was just, was like he's like.

51:24 If any of those guys had a quarter of the training I'd had, I'd be dead. Really, yeah, he was like. He was like hands down, he's like, he's like. The only reason I lived walking into a lot of things was because they were shooting from the hips, spraying and praying and we killed him. But like he's like. He was like if they had any remote training compared to that I had, like I would have died coming around so many corners really just because there were so many of them and they were like the ambushing mentality yeah. And or just like, and it was early in the war too, but like, just, you know the fact that, like you, you know, when some dude just pops around a corner and shoots with his rifle over his head, yeah, you got to, he could hit you, but there's a pretty good chance he won't hit you too know.

52:09 So it's like, but if some guy comes around the corner, just even like he said quarter the training, shouldered and aiming correctly, that changes the whole game. That means that he's accurately firing at you, and so so take that to the next level. It's like okay, you know, core training, half train, three quarters of the training, or whatever you know. Maybe to be like, okay, this is a whole, nother thing. And then also take the fact then, equipment wise, where we don't own the night anymore, we don't, you know, own um they. We share battle spaces, and especially with uh and the onset of drones too, where it's like I mean uh, a 60 million dollar chinook can be taken out by a $800 drone.

52:54 Yeah, I mean here's. The thing is that those, all of those, the thing that's common with everything in the air is that it all has to come down at one point or another. Right. And the truth is is like, yes, you don't try to catch a drone up to a Blackhawk helicopter, up to a Blackhawk helicopter, but you do put the drone down and have it touch down right outside the fence line where the Blackhawk helicopter needs to go and refuel, and then you wait until you see a team of guys moving over to it, fly that drone over there, take it out the moment it starts coming off the ground. Right, you know what I mean. And that is just like, uh, again, it's the mentality here.

53:36 Doesn't take it an expert to evaluate, like the approach to how to find the most opportune moment to disable, you know an asset for for combat, but anyways. So, all that said, we're incredibly vulnerable right now. I do do expect we'll have a similar attempt, like a similar 9-11 level attempt or success. I do think we'll see it attempted several times before it's given up on, or we'll see it succeed a couple times because we slipped through the cracks and I think maybe finally enough has come in that there's now truly an effort of this quote unquote drone, iron dome.

54:21 I do believe the US is viewing drones and how easily they can be made and disposed of. I do think, like we talked about like Palmer Lucky, you know it was Andrew. I do think, like we talked about, like Palmer Lucky, you know it was Andrew, like he, his idea is to build an iron dome wall of disposable drones that can not only just go and take out, you know, targets in a defensive manner. Right, if someone is driving a car full of bad guys to a concert to shoot people up, andro's designed a drone to engage them and neutralize only them when they're on the highway With minimal. Yeah, yeah. And it's one of those things where that is a defensive tactic that's used, that's an offensive defense, right, right.

55:10 And it's like we're not sending these drones overseas to take out these guys before they come here. It's like we are aware they're coming in with an offensive, so we meet them before they can get to the location. And, additionally, there's the other ones he wrote like designed, right, the barracudas that are designed to intercept missiles, um, and probably now other drone ieds, um, and then I can't remember the last one, but it's the one that like, can't intercept other drones and then, or planes and aircraft and then return back without the drone itself being destroyed, but all this is being created as a drone like iron dome and andreal is winning contracts and you would be off your rocker if you think there's not someone from andreal working with the department of defense to look at, like, how they can be used to protect the airspace over the white house.

56:03 Oh yeah, I am confident, I I am. I will say this I am like 99% confident that what we're seeing is war game preparation of. You have bad side drones, good side drones and one of these orbs, right, these things of light in the sky on some of these instances are going to be the target drone that is there for operating and engaging uh, they're the offensive drone. And then the defensive drones are the ones that are being seen being more, um, erratic in movement and engaging these other ones.

56:46 Right, and they, they probably are at the stage right now where, yeah, people are like, well, we're not seeing them blow up, we're not seeing them crash into each other. It's like, yes, because what's the first thing you need to do in a scenario like this? This is not a rhetorical question, but I do want to know, because this is, I know not how a lot of people think. I think from a statistical, testing and evaluating mindset, but what do you think is more important in a scenario like this? Um, getting it right when you have a, an offensive drone or offensive aircraft coming in, and getting it right when you shoot it, or getting it wrong?

57:28 So, like a, a true positive or a false positive? you're saying, like for the, what do you mean for the false positive? so, yeah, so what's more important is is it like oh yep, that's a drone, dgi, with a you know hand grenade on it? Right, and we intercepted it. That's a true positive right, properly identified and neutralized right. False positive that's a drone flying in. There's no hand grenade on it. It's jim bob's drone from the park and we just blew it up, right, or like johnny's cessna, exactly yeah a civilian aircraft yeah, so, yeah, so what's more important? Yeah? well getting getting true positives or true negatives right, eliminating the false positives right.

58:15 Yeah, it's in a peacetime environment. You gotta be sure about that stuff. I would say at any time, bro, there's nothing gonna be more detrimental than having this thing zip at a glint in the sky and it takes down a passenger airline right what I'm saying, yeah, so like, what I mean is, during the testing, during the like operations and seeing how stuff's worked, yeah, you gotta like really be on it. And then if you're in a situation where let's say that you're in a situation where it's a battle space, it's different yeah, you know meaning, like ukraine yeah, meaning like error of margin is a lot safer, right like well, we, we're pretty sure anything in the air is like bad margin.

58:57 Margin of error, yeah yeah and so yeah, no, it's definitely. Uh, you got to be right yeah, and when? and the truth is is like where the us is. Just the us has not had a legitimate, actual like on-ground uh war effort since world war ii. Like world war ii was the last time we had enemies in our airspace, in our seas well, not in our seas, probably, but like you know, I mean like, and like even remotely close, like an on ground effort, right, and so, nowadays, like we need to accept that, like the truth in the likelihood is that it should be that we should err on the side of making sure true negatives are adhered to and accept the risk on essentially false positives, right, right Of just being like, okay, like we think that's one, oh, sorry, false negatives.

1:00:02 We think that's a safe one oh, it's not a safe one. Okay, it blows up. Like that's probably going to be less detrimental if we have even a one to two percent, uh, false positive rate, right because, you have a one to two percent false positive rate. In an area like in an area like dc bro, you're dropping, you're killing a thousand people a day dropping marine one on accident. Yeah, yeah, so that's, that's like the thing is like you get like, we just have to understand. So I think the testing right now is that identification part, the false positives, true, positives, true negatives, for sure, and what's crazy about drones in general, too, is like the United States has not like really experienced on a large scale or wide scale, or we haven't done a lot of drones like we like.

1:00:56 Yes, we have our own predators, reapers and stuff that we used, but we have not experienced what like goes on, has been going on in ukraine and like or like a peer-to-peer situation who have the capability back at us, and so that's's where the tiny drone, the FPV drones, all this stuff that's all new to warfare for even us and the DoD has to admit that and realize that and know that they have to, and I'm sure they're realizing it watching all this stuff come out of uh different places around the world where I mean, uh, it's, there are a lot of people out there saying, oh well, like this technology's been around for a long time and everybody know, and like I'm sure there was, there were special groups using this, and that it's like, yeah, but not on, uh, not on a scale where it's like every single unit has drones, it can drop grenades on stuff, or you know that sort of thing.

1:01:51 So, like the, in general, the whole drone conversation has really and drones are pretty wide word, it is right, you know are you talking about your little RC helicopter? or are you talking like an actual you know something? that's kind of since film drone or yeah? Are we talking about something that drops? hellfire. Yeah, you know it talking about something that drops hellfire. Yeah, you know, it's the weight of a small car lifted by eight rotors, right and so, and so it's a. It's a broad spectrum, and we really, truly haven't had to combat that or deal with it or see what that's like, and so I think that it has to be figured out. And especially, what's what's interesting about I've always wondered about the, the dji drones is they're all from China and they all get all of our information.

1:02:36 Oh yeah, it's free, for, like you know, free geo imaging and information for China, they get it all. Yeah, it's unreal Anyway. So that's my theory, you know. You know what would be cooler though, aliens, if it was aliens, aliens, it'd be so much sicker like I imagine fine, like, like in everything that's happened in the last few years, we just ultimately like yes, so the aliens are floating over the white house trying to make contact, to communicate with us. It's like holy shit. Like you Like you know what I mean. Of course I'd be sick. That's not what's happening. Like you wouldn't be able to keep that quiet man.

1:03:18 People have the ability to like, buy a thermal optic off of online night vision things like that. They would be plenty and plenty of civilians and also whistleblowers Like dude, we have people whistleblow all the time in the government about every single freaking thing you can imagine. Like there's no way they're keeping it down lock if there's UFOs floating over the White House. Yeah, and then I'll get to just stand up in Old Town Square and just give the speech from Independence Day. Yeah, but what if they're not trying to kill us? I'm going to give it anyways. The one by Gosh. What's his name? Not Bill Paxton?

1:03:59 Yeah, but the other guy, Kroger, brand Bill Paxton. He's Star-Lord from, not Star-Lord, he's from Spaceballs. He's a star. What's his name in Spaceballs? He's a star. What's his name in? Spaceballs? I can't remember. Hold on, gosh. But we're not fighting for our freedom, not from tyranny or oppression or persecution, but from annihilation. We're fighting for our right to live Bill Pullman. Yep and to exist. What's his name in freaking space balls?

1:04:40 Ah, I need to watch that movie again. It's been a long time. Space balls is pretty funny, I don't I see your swatches bigger than mine it's. Those movies, too, are like. I need to watch it and see if it's as funny as it was then it was, it still will be to me yeah but this is one of those like you'll show a 19 year old and they're like I don't get it. Lone star, lone star. Yeah, because it is a lone star. That said, dude bill pullman, I do think is a fantastic actor, actor and I think everyone should at least watch season one of the center season one of the center is phenomenal. Season two pretty good. Season three pretty good. I haven't watched season four yet, but season one is unreal and it also showed me, uh, the band called big black delta.

1:05:28 Oh, really called Big Black Delta, oh really, yeah, and Big Black Delta is like a great new age electronic band and their song is like very vital to the plot kind of of season one, but like it just plays over and over at points and it's like a hauntingly beautiful song and you're like dude, like it's just burned into your brain. After that season of like this, this song is like a trigger for remembering a good show, um, but uh, anyways, um, unfortunately it's probably not aliens, no, um, but you want to know something that's just as crazy as aliens.

1:06:11 John mcafee because this was this this was something I brought up, uh and pat was like what are you talking about? I realize I'm uneducated security company guy. I'm like, yeah, the owner, the former owner of mcafee security. Um so, pat, tell me just what you did. You even know his name was john today, I didn't know his name was john. I didn't even know it was a person. I knew mcafee was a thing before I switched to the dark side, had my macbook when I had the old, when I had my old gateways and my dells and my hps. It was always popping up to update my mcaee.

1:06:51 And then you're wondering wait a second, like at first. Yeah, you have a McAfee subscription. They protect you from, you know, trojans and spyware and spamware and cookies and all this stuff that was, like you know, we're all worried about back then and. But then all of a sudden it became a thing where I was like, wait, is this a fake ad? Yeah, is this a thing popping up that? Am I being double agented, where, if I click this thing that pops up on my computer to renew my McAfee stuff, that's actually spam. Is it just actually a virus? That's actually a virus. What's happening. So I do remember my main memory of McAfee would be as a kid my dad would spend so much time on our old family computer like defragging the computer and then also trying to make it work right, and then um, and then after that making sure the virus protection was right, and I just remember him always like kind of struggling with the virus protection and feeling like it was a necessary evil that he has like had to.

1:07:58 You have to have it, but it's a real pain in the butt to make sure it's always working right yeah, and it didn't do diddly against limewire right hey, limewire, I still downloaded every freaking song I wanted and I still plagued that computer with probably viruses, um torrented whatever shows and comics I wanted to read. Um, but anyways, john mcafee man, john mcafee, this is the story of john mcafee. I sent you the link so you could look at it on your phone and kind of follow along here. But, like for those of you in our audience who don't don't know like john mcafee lived the life of a freaking, like 21st century legend, like he he is.

1:08:40 He's the first high end, like unreal, larger than life Silicon Valley bro who, just like snorted Coke, did LSD, coded into the AM and then made millions of dollars. You know what I mean. Like this dude. This dude lived a life. He like I. I imagine you know what I mean. Like this dude, this dude lived a life. He like I. I imagine these guys are the equivalent of like the uh naval captains back of in like the 16th century that just became pirates. They're like I'm I shine too bright to be contained by one. You know one nation like her majesty be damned. I'm taking this ship in my crew. We're sailing the seas, baby, we're getting gold.

1:09:22 Yeah, like that's exactly. John mcafee is just the pirate of our like turn of the century here. So, um, starting up, you know, uh, this is all kind of gonna be covered in the netflix documentary that's coming out called running with the devil. Actually, I think it's already out, um, I just don't have netflix anymore, sorry, yeah, it's already out, um, but uh, running with the devil the wild world of john mcafee, um, so a lot of this came out of there, but essentially um mcafee. He's born, um in gloucester, which I I think is in England, the good old UK, and his dad was apparently this drunk died by suicide.

1:10:07 Mcafee, though, started working in mathematics, and he got his degree in mathematics in the 60s and went on to start working at NASA and Apollo, like the 60s um, and went on to start working at like nasa and apollo um, and he got more involved with computer science and coding as computers were becoming more of a forefront and uh, you know, requirement for doing a lot of high-end mathematical jobs, started working for lockheed martin in the 80s and as the computer industry was rising up, viruses of course started popping up. And viruses back in the day, you know, there wasn't much of a point to the virus, right, because you know this is like pre-internet, right, this is pre-global wide connection and so most of like the government operated on like an internal internet.

1:10:56 And most of the government still does operate on an internal internet, right, it's not that different from the internet you and I have, just with more security and protocols. But back in the day it was like, okay, a real virus would be like you download, you, you code something at home or someone else codes it, and then they swap it out with your floppy disk. They swap it out with like whatever drive you're taking in for the day and then you plug it into the machine and it's scripted to download as soon as it plugs into whatever the next machine is, and then it steals information. That person then still has to take it out of there without anything being detected of it, like copying information off of those devices, and then you steal it back from that person Right off of those devices.

1:11:41 And then you steal it back from that person right um. But in the early 80s, as the internet started to grow out, um, he realized he's like, hey, viruses are going to be a big issue, like if everything is connected, viruses can pretty much be transferred, you know just like they are from people right like, and they're gonna, you're not gonna have this isolation and security of um mate, like being able to silo it onto a specific device. And so he started building computer virus detection. That would just do a simple thing. It just detects essentially a software program that shouldn't exist. That's all it's really doing is saying like, hey, this program wasn't here yesterday and it's not one of the approved programs on this list, let's squash it, delete it. And of course, as he was building that, more and more virus sophistication came out of it and he kept on building you know new workarounds for the newest viruses and eventually started his own company called um mcafee associates, uh, and it is said that by the start of the 90s this company was earning mcafee.

1:12:41 Now it's not said if it I don't really know if it's mcafee himself was making this much or the company was but five million a year in the 90s. Bro, that's money. Hey, that's unreal dude, that's so much money. Um, there's some failed mergers, um and uh, but like mcafee kind of became this like first Silicon Valley guy. You know the first real dude bro in Silicon Valley of like tech stuff, kind of hot-headed now, like he's. He wasn't like your typical, he wasn't like your quiet, soft-spoken nerd. Like Elon Musk is like a you know he's a stuttering, rather soft-spoken nerd. He, he does some things that are kind of cool and but he does. He's very like wasn't that cool, yeah? And like mcafee was like snorting coke off a hooker's ass, like hey, let's go do some cool stuff.

1:13:26 And like shoot guns at the like military base to just scare them. You know what I mean. Like this dude was wild, out of control. Um, now I exaggerate there a little bit, but like he was known to do a lot of drugs off of with a lot of hookers, um, but um, and he was also a really big gun guy, I guess, um, but anyways. So these mergers falling through, but he still had a lot of capital and he was investing in a lot of these like startup companies One of the ones that I know still around today, cognizant. I know, actually, a couple of guys who were working there Um. But then he started doing like the big cryptocurrency gold rush stuff and like being a really heavy pusher of cryptocurrency, trying to get big financial firms and people to invest. And in 2017 this is great.

1:14:08 He had this quote. He said, uh, that bitcoin would be worth five hundred thousand dollars per coin within three years. He said that in 2017 and he said if not, I will eat my own dick on national television. Oh wow, I remember when he said that. I was in college and I was like dude. I would love to see this guy eat his own dick. He wasn't young, no. He was like 70. I don't know if he was 70. He was born in 1945. So what is that? Oh yeah, 75. He died like 70. I don't know if he was 70. He was born in 1945. So what is that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, 75. He died at 75. So he's not, he wasn't. It was like it wasn't like a young, like it was like an old grandpa saying so cut off this my dick and eat it.

1:14:52 No, no, he's pretty cracked up, bro. You should watch some videos of him. Like his voice is pretty eccentric, um, but uh anyways. So, uh, he continued to kind of be increasingly erratic and eventually started kind of catch up to him in a way where, um, the IRS was like, hey, actually this guy hasn't paid taxes in a long time, um, and he's worth a lot of money and he's got it wrapped up in a lot of assets which is easy to liquidate. And so they started going after him. And then they also started building a case I believe it was the fbi building a case of fraud, because some people were like, hey, this guy made me put like eight million dollars in a bitcoin and now bitcoin went down and it's worth only like now I only have two million dollars worth of bitcoin and that's the.

1:15:37 We know that now with history, that that's the cycle of bitcoin right, that's just what happens now they be rich now. But and like, here's the thing, no one has ever lost money on bitcoin if they just held on to it. Uh, people only lose money when they sell. Yeah, um, but uh, anyways. So, um, he starts believing that you know he's gonna face some, some jail time and the courts are corrupt, and he starts saying some crazy shit. He starts saying, like I have stuff that will put all these people in jail and prison. You don't know how disgusting the elites are, and I don't think that really worked in his favor. I think he was hoping that would make people back off and that just made more wealthy, rich elite people be like dude IRS.

1:16:18 Lock this guy up. Yeah more wealthy, rich, elite people be like dude irs, lock this guy up, yeah, um and anyways. So, uh, he received a dui in possession of a firearm charge in tennessee and then it was like, all right, I'm getting out of the country. He went to belize and in belize he meets this dude who's his neighbor. Uh, he's living in a mansion, uh, on the ambergris kai beach, which I'm just gonna look up what that looks like real quick. The amber amber geese gay beach k beach, I think it's k, not gay and uh, is it when you're talking about these like elites? it's like bro sounds like he might have you know he's throwing out this like you don't know how disgusting the elites are, but, bro, you are one of them, well.

1:17:02 Well, and he maybe didn't have like the yeah maybe he wasn't a pedophile. The blackmail to back it up. You know, you know, of course they got old epstein two years later too. So it doesn't matter how much blackmail you have on them, they're gonna get you yeah, they're gonna get you man. Um, I will say this john mcafee, in my eyes, is like. He's kind of like uh, I don't know, he's kind of like deadpool, yeah, like he's kind of a villain, yeah, but he's the villain I'm rooting for to kill the other villains, right, and I kind of think he's funny. Um, you know what I mean um, a little bit of the tony stark part to you and just kind of like like the yeah, tony stark's character though, for the marvel stuff was based off of john mcafee.

1:17:46 Like the facial hair, oh, really, yeah, like, don't get me wrong like, yeah, tony stark looks like that in a lot of the comics and stuff too, but you can definitely see the erraticness, the wide eye, kind of drugged, um, you know, philanthropist, playboy, right, it's just john mcafee from the 90s, yeah, and then they're like, yeah, let's just make that robert downey jr's character for iron man. Um, what's this island about, dude? It's freaking beautiful. It's the classic. Like sky, light, blue, turquoise beaches here, um, it's beautiful. Belize is a beautiful place and mcafee's down there, which is also ironic because my uncle spent a lot of time down in belize fishing, huh, and he also didn't pay his taxes, um, okay, but anyways, um, um, uh, okay, um, he claimed to have been the target of police, um, and was arrested for drug manufacturing and, uh, possession of an unlicensed weapon, um, but he was kind of like able to kind of get off those things.

1:18:51 I bet grease the wheels. But ultimately his neighbor, greg fall, you know, don't know who greg fall was really like, but he had a mansion next to mcafee's in this place and, um, greg and mcafee didn't really get along and they they ultimately had a conflicting uh encounter apparently. Uh, greg said hey, your dogs harass my parrot. If you don't get these dogs under control, I'm gonna kill him. And McAfee was like I lick my ass, suck my cock, and like he literally said stuff like that all the time. If, if everyone wants something crazy, shane Gillis, before McAfee died, had McAfee on his podcast, where McAfee Skyped in, yeah, and he was just talking loony stuff the whole time, but it was awesome, oh my goodness.

1:19:40 Um, and shane gillis, he could tell us he's like I don't even know what to say this dude is too funny like I can't come up with anything funnier. I can't keep up with him like uh, it's like theo vaughn's brain in a genius's brain so it's just overloaded, exactly and the um. It's hilarious that these two guys, who are like clearly very probably well-set individuals, yeah, are having a classic neighbor feud classic like what classic neighbor anyone can encounter, like from the wealthiest neighborhoods on belize to the most slummy inner city ghettos of chicago. Everyone knows what it's like to yell at another man about his damn dog.

1:20:21 Yeah, but anyways, McAfee says that stuff. Next day McAfee's dogs were poisoned and killed. All of his dogs dead. But a day later, fall was found dead with a gunshot, one gunshot to his head. Oh, man, and socafee was like yo, I didn't do that, but then ran and left belize. He's like, yeah, I'll just leave it for, like something not related to this. Um, don't ignore the gun, ignore the gun I just threw into the ocean, um, but anyways, so he uh, so he left and that turns into essentially him kind of being on the run and he's going on the run from country to country.

1:21:09 You know these islands that are like pretty easy to just like have a lot of cash and get away with just about whatever you want for a while. Until, like you know, people realize you're there, until, like you know, people realize you're there, um, but some vice journalists started uh following mcafee and they were like he was like letting them come with him, um, and his girlfriend sam at the time, um, and they uh were doing pretty good until these guys, these two vice journalists, of course, they ruined it. They posted a photo saying we're with john mcafee right now, suckers, and it was geotagged in guatemala, um, and that kind of you know is where they started having a divergence of mcafee's like hey, you guys are gonna get me, like you know, in trouble here and I'm getting I'm already like under a lot of pressure being targeted by, like literal national armies, um, and he got, because of that geotech photo, um, he was, um, arrested because he had actually come into guatemala legally, uh-huh, and so they were going to deport him back to belize.

1:22:09 But what does he do? What does mcafee do in this, bro? Does he like plead? Does he offer millions of dollars to grease the wheels? No, dog, he goes. My heart, oh my heart, I can't breathe, oh god. And he says that and they fly him back to america. Uh, after he um, sorry, no, he flew himself, after faking that heart attack, back to america, um, and then jumped straight back into, you know, kind of like the party and philanthropist lifestyle in miami, oh my gosh, um. And he did uh run for president twice, 2016 and 2020, um, and didn't win he didn't win um, but as the us authorities like, hey, actually there's mcafee guys back here, let's get them again with our, you know, tax evasion and the the fraud for these cryptocurrency, because, of course, the fbi never stopped building the case over the like the three years he was out of the country, right, um, and so, uh, in october 2020, uh, mcafee's arrested in barcelona airport by the spanish police.

1:23:14 They're gonna extradite him back to the us so he can be charged. Mcafee also, the whole time is like they're not after me for taxes, they're after me because of the shit I know what. Do you think I know if my virus software is on all of their computers? I know everything. I know exactly what kind of porn they like to watch. I know exactly who they're emailing about, what they're doing later that day and how they're sharing things. He's like I know everything. And he's saying that a lot of people like you're crazy, you don't know any of that stuff. And then a lot of other people like no, no, no, no. But if he does, doesn't it make sense that they're just going to like take him out? And I remember a lot of people at the time were like dude, they're going to kill John McAfee.

1:23:55 They're going to kill him before he can like testifying shit. Um, because he's he would never be a dude. You can like expect to control on the stand you know if he's gonna cross examine and stuff, um. And so he's arrested and his social media posts leading up to the arrest are filled with like cryptic warnings, hinting he would never willingly surrender. You know that he'd go down and be like over my dead body, I would never go and come back to the us, yada, um. And then in june 20, june 23rd 2021, he's found dead in his prison cell in barcelona and it was, you know, of course, a spanish autopsy and they're like he it could have been suicide.

1:24:36 That was like the best they could. They weren't like, oh yeah, definitively he killed himself. It was like could have been suicide and he was dead right after the approval of his extradition to the US. A lot of people you know there's a ton of conspiracy theories A lot of people think that he had some kind of dead man switch on him and, like the dead man switch activated and sent out hidden caches to people across the world about, like you know, these emails and incriminating evidence on people. A lot of people think it might have even been um, like he might have had a hand in, like some of the fbi case stuff for like fc and like his associates and all that um, but anyways, so that all goes out.

1:25:21 And um, his widow publicly questioned. You know the whole official narrative which only helped keep speculation alive. Uh, but yeah, now there's. You know. The lingering mysteries of course, are like did he actually kill fall? Did someone kill Fall to frame him? You know, is there really the data trails out there that he has? Because, of course, if you think about like a security system like that, where it has access to both the internet and your file storage and it's keeping a ledger of every site you go to and what is downloaded from those sites and what's approved, of course it's going to know what the hell you're doing at all times. The speculation over if he killed himself and you know he's still, you know this like controversial figure because we owe what we know today about computer security to him- you know, he paved the path for it.

1:26:18 He was, you know, kind of a man after a lot of people's own heart. He was like any taxation is wrong and illegal, let the people vote with their wallets. Full capitalism kind of libertarian guy. And he was definitely a paranoid outlaw, super down to do drugs and shoot guns, just be a ladies' man and he's just kind of mythology, mythologized, mythologized, mythologized yeah, whatever, that's a word he's been made a legend, yeah, by you know rumors of what he was actually doing and like people who knew him and partied with him were like yeah, dude, this guy was, he's crazy and a of months before he died, he tweeted saying you know, he's basically saying they're coming for me.

1:27:10 You know, if I commit suicide, I didn't. And he got a tattoo that says schwacked on his arm with the S as a money sign. So he very clearly, a couple couple months before this, said I will not kill myself. Yeah, and then he died from killing himself, allegedly. Maybe Could have been suicide, yeah, but all that said, it is pretty bonkers man and a lot of people just think, like Matt Coffey is just like some company with like some nerd that was you know. Know, the company's owned by some family with the last name. Uh, dude, it was just all this crazy kook dude, wild, who lived a wild life man. I mean and honestly like if you're gonna freaking make that kind of money with that, you know, with that brain power like this is.

1:27:56 This is why people think mark zuckerberg is not human, because mark zuckerberg isn't like living life to the most extreme, you know, with his money, right, they're like he's just doing what most people do when they start making like six figures. Right, like he. He goes on a lot of vacations with boats, but he's not like on yachts doing coke off of hookers right or shooting guns in the air and like and like. He is building like a 10 million dollar or 40 million dollar house in hawaii so you can stay inside all day. What a freaking nerd, yeah, but that being said, like the percentage to what he does make. It's like what this is, like this is like when someone's like ah yep, I think it's time to get a little mountain cabin.

1:28:38 Yeah, you know, it's like to get a little mountain cabin. You know like what, bro, like you could have and I mean you could own the mountain. Yeah, exactly, yeah, I mean. So who knows what his deal is? but anyways, um yeah, pretty crazy stuff. You guys should look it up. I feel like a lot of kin out there knowing like what kind of you know crazy things they like to listen to would enjoy, uh, seeing like the whole documentary on them. I do wonder if the documentary puts them in a good light or like a neutral light or kind of paints about to be a wacko, it does sound like it like a fair shake on this would be like he wasn't crazy, but I mean, he was kind of crazy, but I mean like insane yeah he was not insane, you know like, but like he lived, like they live a moral lifestyle.

1:29:27 No, but he wasn't a nut. But did he hurt anyone? Probably not, Unless you count, you know. Greg, maybe old Greg maybe Greg, but Greg had it coming. Dude, if someone poisoned my dog, I'd shoot them in the head. Not real. No cap Lawyers. That was a joke, that was an exaggeration. But if you poison my dog, I will shoot you. No kidding. And so, yeah, I mean we'll see if they give him a fair shake on that. He's a human, you know, he's a human who found wild success and uh, and he's obviously but and made some bad choices, wild stuff I don't agree with, probably his lifestyle, yeah, but then at the same time also like, uh, he wasn't one of the pedophiles, right, it sounds like he got shut up because he died right around the time old old epstein got knocked out and people were, you know, it was pretty easy to, you know, get rid of.

1:30:23 Oh, here's, I wonder there's got to be some theories out there between old Billy, because Mr Billy Clint, bill Gates, oh Gates, yeah, dude, I think Bill Gates is a pedophile. How much McAfee software was running on Windows, all of Windows stuff. And so it's like and then you know, and there's that one interview with Bill Gates talking like about Epstein stuff, and it's either because of his pseudo autism or because he did it. He's just like kind of says along the lines of like well, we'll get to you.

1:31:04 You know, like if you, if you cross us, we'll get to you. I, I don't remember the interview I kind of remember, but he just says this thing that's kind of like oh, oh, that, that's a. Let this be a lesson to everybody else out there it's like this is an autistic threat um I don't know, but it's all the people who go to that freaking owl island, yep and I had. I'm glad I didn't have too much john mcafee in me today, because I'd be facing some criminal charges. Oh, yeah, you don't have a dog I know I came out of. I had a lunch meeting today. I come out of my lunch meeting and there was a boot on my truck today.

1:31:47 Dude bro, I got booted, oh my god, that's you know. It's crazy. We were just talking about this. Who me and you, yeah I think, we're on the air. Maybe we weren't. Maybe we weren't on the air. Huh about how a certain individual I know in my sphere definitely not you, pat, but a certain individual I know just hasn't renewed their. Oh yeah yeah, so their uh registration for over a year. So I'm approaching, I'll spill it because here's the deal. Okay, here's the deal. I have an appointment at 9 15 am tomorrow to renew it, to renew it and it, it being the one, all of my company trucks yeah, okay, all right, so you're doing all of them um, okay, here we go.

1:32:35 My three of my trucks are out of date on registration. My other vehicle for the company is not currently registered to me. I bought it, the title's signed. I just haven't gone down there and got it swapped over, but the plates are still good, but it's not officially mine yet. All right, this kind of was a whole other conversation. I will say this as far as, like, protecting my dudes and people around me, all the vehicles are insured, right. So if we get in a wreck, if we hurt somebody or hurt their property, it's covered. If one of my employees gets hurt in a wreck, they are covered.

1:33:17 Gets hurt in a wreck, they are covered. What we what I'm currently not doing is just paying. You know, whatever the hell it is they're supposed to be doing, like fixing potholes out there. So, ethical line there am I doing my full civic duty? No, but I'm not. I'm not like, fully delinquent, I feel you know I'm not. I'm semi-justifying it. I'm trying to explain the situation, though, to say like I'm, I'm, I care about individuals, individuals, property, individuals, health and my employees health. I really don't give that much of a crap about, um, paying for registration of my vehicles. Going forward, I want to always have this squared away, so it's just not a problem and it's. It's in half in protest and half in laziness that I haven't gotten this done, but I have.

1:34:01 Yeah, I've uh neglected to um register my my truck for a year. Now it's up, it's been a whole year. Me too, well, and I well, actually. No, mine just expired, yeah just expired well expired, I guess at like end of october right, so Right. So I'm about to put you in the pickle now. No, no, no, because I'll tell you about it. It's a great thing. So back to the story, real quick. I come out of the meeting, there's a boot on my truck and I'm like, oh my gosh, like this is because I haven't paid my registration. I'm like freaking out, like okay, they.

1:34:44 I'm like freaking out like okay, they got me 150 ticket, um, kind of pain in the butt, and so I'm like all right. So I walked down to parking services. This is very fortunate. Where my truck was parked was only a two minute walk from the office of the parking services people, so I walked down there. I walk in swipe my card, pay it, and they say, okay, someone will be there in 20 minutes to an hour to unlock your car. That's's pretty convenient, though, as far as like yeah, that's all right, but that's still sucks, but like I would, I thought my car was about to be towed and I guess, get all my tools and personal stuff out. And so I called one of my other guys in the other truck that's not registered and they were um, or I should say that the registration registrations expired on, and I'm like hey, they got me and like where are you at? They're like we're in old town having lunch and I'm like watch the truck I'm like.

1:35:28 I'm like, get in the truck, get out of old town, now exactly because I'm like if the whole, if the whole fleet gets locked down, we're just screwed right. I'm like we gotta go. So I'm like I'm like swallow that burger fast, get in the truck. We got to come get my tools, you know, and my guys are like this was not my job description. I'm like, whatever you know, it's like they didn't say that, but it's a would be a fair fair sentiment. This is a fun day at work, I and so they scarf down their hamburger, they hop in the car, they're getting out of there and I'm like send me pictures, go back to the shop, get all the pictures of all the VIN numbers, all the license plate numbers. I'm going to go get all this fixed, I'm going to take care of everything.

1:36:10 Go to parking services and I'm like all right, what's the deal? And they're like oh and so I thought this is this whole big registration fiasco. They're like apparently you had a ticket from this, a parking ticket from the summer. You hadn't paid. And it escalated what? And now we booted your car. So I became very unincentivized at that moment to walk another couple blocks down the road to register my vehicles. But you have to have an appointment for now and stuff, so I couldn't even get it done at that point anyways, but um, you're like, wait a second. Yeah, I'm like this doesn't have anything to do with what I thought it had to do exactly I'm like, I'm like calling a broken arrow, yeah, like getting everybody like scrambled, and it's like so you're saying.

1:36:56 And I'm also like so you saying. So you're telling me you still don't know about what's going on here? Yeah, exactly. And I'm like also, and then I also kind of get re-pissed again. Now I was pissed backing up to when I saw the boot on my truck. Guess what? I have every tool you need to get that boot off my car. Yes, I could have had it off in uh, we'll call it 45 seconds. From the time I saw that if I needed off, I had to have it, had it off in 45 seconds. But I refrained, I suppressed my urge, I suppressed my mcafee urges and pushed them down deep inside of me, because you get a criminal misdemeanor if you take it off. Yeah, which is which is kind of silly, the fact that as far as government property damage, it's hacksawing a master lock, yeah.

1:37:45 So it's not like, okay, I'll buy you guys a new master lock, you know whatever. But criminal misdemeanor. I'm like, okay, that's not worth it for sure. And we're kind of stacking things up here and then they're going to find out about the registration thing too. We're kind of stacking things up here and then they're gonna find about the registration thing too. But so, anyways, I did not jack the boot off my truck as much as I really wanted to go pirate mode. I was like I'm gonna take this off. I'm getting out of here pulling my plates dude. The funny thing is, if you do that and then you just go to, like one of those employees cars or just like one of the parking services cars I'll put it with my own. Yeah, boot it with your own luck. And then, just like that, if you saw that I'm I'm pressing charges for damage to property, exactly yeah, put a sticker on theirs it also says like you must come here within the next three days to pay this ticket.

1:38:33 If not, your vehicle will be towed at owner's expense. Blah blah, at the city's expense. We will be towing your vehicle for the damages and emotional damages you caused to our sovereign society known as the town of Pat. But anyways, I also, just so you know, I'm not driving this vehicle. Therefore it's not registered. I am traveling within the vehicle. Yeah, I go where the vehicle goes but I'm not driving it. I have to suppress my sovereign citizen, like feelings all the time yeah, you have to suppress them. Until you watch someone record themselves being a sovereign citizen and you're like that guy's an idiot. I don't want to be in a house like that guy's a dumbass.

1:39:13 Like that's not the sovereign citizen I envisioned. Yeah, because, like yeah, just the same thing we quoted last time. Just like I'm not wearing hockey pads, you know, it's like you, as a sovereign citizen, you're wearing hockey pads. Yeah, exactly, you're not the Batman. Yeah, but anyways, I pay the damn ticket. They come and unlock it and so I'm a free man. But I had to drive by and see me our friend, a mutual friend, uh, I don't, I don't think you know, but he's like it's, and also it's not like a close friend, just a guy who knows me and he's a friend, but it just is like. This is embarrassing, you know hey, what happened you know that type of thing.

1:39:57 But also a number of people drove by and I was sitting in my truck with the boot on it, door open, with my foot up on the you know, just sitting there scrolling till someone's the truck with the business name on it. That's the other part of it. It's, it's, it is, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a blight and uh and a stain on my legacy of my company because part of me would see that'd be like I'm hiring that guy. Exactly, that's a man who's a real American. That's a man who will take a payment in cash. Exactly, yeah, I could pay him cash. That's what that says to me. I could pay him 70% of cash. But dude, I will say this A lot of people in Subarus and Teslas drove past my big truck and kind of sneered and laughed.

1:40:43 Really they took joy at my misfortune and I just was like you know what. They're going to die of radon cancer. One day, exactly, I'm going to show up to their house and see the Tesla in the garage and be like everything's fine here. Yeah, exactly. No, that's so spiteful, that's brutal. That's so unequal. Maybe it wounded my pride, but anyways, like yeah. So what was surprising to me was I was like I was like dang. Like I'm stuck here with my car booted and people are laughing at me. It felt very like.

1:41:23 I felt kind of like a man in a room, having just had his balls snipped, with his pants around his ankles and people looking at you and it's like, hey, man, this is you know. So I got a little bit of reflection on, like whenever I see a boot on a car, I'm like, ah, it sucks to that guy, you know. Yeah, also, I'm like dang, like fortunately today it didn't put me out, I was able to walk two minutes, get it taken care of. I had the means to pay for it, it was close by. But like man, other people, like if I was, for whatever reason, I had to be somewhere important, I would either want to been so stressed, so upset, or two like I would have made if I had to be somewhere, I would have cut that thing off and gone.

1:42:06 I've been like listen, I'll go to court later for this, yeah, and so well, how do they know you're the one that cut? that's true, probably because of the, the drones, but the um, but I just I did kind of some reflection On like kind of your common man, what you're thinking about. I mean this one dude, like slow rolled, made eye contact with me, looked at his wife, she looked at me and at the boot and they both like grinned, not like they didn't like chuckle or like it was kind of like a smile Like Like you or like, yeah, it was kind of like a smile like like you. I'm so happy this happened to you. You definitely deserved that it just was kind of like it was very so, anyways, gross.

1:42:51 Yeah, I was like huh gross, very interesting. So anyways, our town is getting worse. There there is a bit of that going on and I think I was being profiled because I was in a diesel truck. And I'm profiling them because they were in a Subaru with a fly rod rack on top and I think they were happy that the diesel truck got booted. But, all that said, I'm glad I didn't go full McAfee on it, cause I don't have millions and millions to back me up when I make a silly choice like that. And I uh um, also like I was so pissed walking into the parking services office and I was like ready to, you know, let someone have it.

1:43:39 But also it's like what are you going to do? Yell at the guy who makes X amount an hour behind the window. Yeah, no, this is like totally useless. I actually have found I charmed myself out of a ticket with a girl who worked in one of those ones. Oh wow, like nothing like super swell, but just you know know, caught her while she was getting out of the car to uh cite me, yep, and I was like, oh hey, I'm moving actually. I just I'm parked one street too far down. I have a permit for the street up and she's like, oh, okay, uh, well, mean, I drove by this twice now and it was here.

1:44:22 I was like, yeah, I'm sorry, just finishing class, and I was like, hey, wait, do I know you? Did the classic, that one, oh yeah, and it was just like. I swear I know you. I mean, I don't know, I just some other pretty redheaded girl in my class. No, it was a little bit more better. It was better than that, but it worked pretty well. And she was like all right, just move your car. I was like all right, thanks, as long as I don't care. At the end of the day she's like stupid boy, just move your car. It's like that's still a win for me. I don't care if she can say whatever she was and he drove home.

1:45:02 Oh then I yeah, or like you didn't like. You didn't like move your car. I totally lied about everything, um, but uh, nah, dude, um, the one thing I feel really bad for is when I see this is I'm seeing more and more common in our city. It's that suction cup, fold out metal one that goes on the windshield. Uh-huh, it's like do you, what are you gonna do? Like, how do you get that one off? well, I will say because that will like I think you can't drive with that one. I think they can electronically unlock it because on my sticker, um, they had a thing that said like if, like vehicle prevention device with wheel windshield prevention device, you know, call to pay and return to this address, oh so, but I do, yeah.

1:45:48 So I've seen those two before and I've been like what the hell is that thing? But I think I've such a big boy truck it wouldn't have. They can't windshield me, they can't cover my my they. They had to boot it because the windshield one I would have just stuck my head out the window and drove like what do you want to do? yeah, that's funny um oh yeah well, hey, you know I mean this is we cover a lot and procedures, we covered the uh conspiracies of the drones into the mcafee story, into the spirit of mcafee within us.

1:46:32 I don't feel like this is a good christmas episode. I feel like this is exactly what people should be listening to the week of christmas. So, uh, with Ken, thank you for joining us. We hope that you have a very merry, merry, merry Christmas and that you enjoy the new year going into 2025. Looking forward, let's see what the year has ahead. I'm optimistic. I don't know I meet so many people right now who are like doom and gloom, worst case scenario. Really. Even though I'm like, yeah, like I get it, like we're in danger of a new terror attack and the world's on fire and you know all that. But like I don't know, I guess I feel just still optimistic about what lies ahead and I'm really not stressing that much.

1:47:13 So, yeah, I don't know, man, what about you, pat? yeah, I think that, uh, I think it's about to be a new year, new year, new you, as they say. Um and uh, um, nothing new under the sun. This, uh, any experience that's going on is, you know, nationally or individually for you? Just, it's happened to someone else before, it's happened in history before. Yeah, just keep on, uh, keeping on through it. Um and uh. Yeah, I think that, uh, I'm optimistically looking forward to this next year, me too.

1:47:56 I think it's gonna be a good year yeah, yeah, I think I mean, even if there's hard times ahead, like I do think that that's all in the process of better times afterwards. You know I'm excited about our new president's term and I'm excited about just kind of the global direction. Um, I really hope that. You know, everything we're seeing in the news leads to like a winding down of conflict and exhaustion of the war effort in ukraine and things like that, in that, you know, it may be uncomfortable and there may be some terms and agreements that not everyone's happy with, but like, if people stop dying in war, then I'm happy about it.

1:48:41 You know what I mean? Yep, um, and as long as it's not our boys over there dying of war, I'm extra happy about it. So, all that said, looking forward to it. Pat, you got anything else till next time? That was a good opportunity to say till next year, but you botched it.