The Mick & Pat Show - Summer Night Check In

0:00 I just had two and a half beers on Sunday night after we moved a ton of our stuff in, and I just felt poisoned the next morning, bro, like I woke up and I was just like, oh my gosh, like not even hungover but just like, oh yeah, gross, warm, kind of feverish almost, and I'm just like it's crazy how, if you, as soon as you stop like, as soon as you stop having it nightly and even moderately nightly or whatever it's like the whole body, where you like, just reorganizes itself in it, like the way it processes that stuff, it re-recognizes it as poison yeah, because now, like I did, I'm just like I did that and I was like, oh, I can't do that again, man, I'd like I gotta pace it out, like give it more time feverishly and sweaty is the feeling I have right now, at this very moment, because we're coming to you, live At the moment.

1:05 We're live when you're listening to this. It might not be live, this might be 400 years in the future, but at the moment we're live from the Mick and Pat World Headquarters in the underground, in the loft, sweating bees, because it's summertime. It is, it's summertime and Pat is not shelled out for an air conditioner. That's all right, though I don't expect it when I come here. I just expect you to let me complain. I think my makeshift airflow thing right now is not helping. Has it gotten hotter since I did that? I don't know bro, I don't know Is it in my head. I'm just trying not to think about it. I'm just trying not to think about it. I'm just trying to chill, joe Rogan should be in the corner doing his hot yoga routine, sweating with his crazy eyes in his little tight semi-European bathing suit.

2:01 Are you talking like the one that he wears, that's, an upper torso and lower torso bathing suit? No, not like a 1920s bathing suit. But there's this one video of him getting in an ice bath and it's so funny cause, like I mean the dude, like he's not really trying to, but like it's just full imprinting his junk his nutso's, yeah, and I guess the man's got, uh, he's got the business, does he Like? The comment section from the females was out of hand it was out of hand. That's funny, bro. Don't say that I don't like. Five female listeners are going to go look up Joe Rogan. I know Getting Joe Rogan Ice bathing.

2:42 Ice bathing, yeah, and anyways the man's, he's not regulated, he has to regulate himself. On the extremes you know ice bathing, hot yoga trips with frog venom that make you have death experiences but hey, he has been like the most sane voice in America for a long time, in a lot of cases too, so I don't know what the deal is. Well, okay, all right, let's just be easy. The most sane voice in america for a long time, in a lot of cases too. So I don't know the most sane voice. I'd say the most if you had like a. Don't forget that like just it was like only a couple years ago, joe rogan was like we should get rid of all guns. I know. But what I'm saying, I'd say the most listened like, like influence, listened to influence and like yeah, that's pretty like, based like sure, if you join those together, I mean, I think it's.

3:28 I think he's changed a lot over time, right he's? definitely. It's funny now how he's like a 45 year old man talking, not a 29 year old man talking about like things and oh yeah, your tune changes. It's funny how people say like people say, when you have kids, there's a good chance you might become a little more conservative. Yeah, like things like that or whatever you know it's like. Or if you become like a business owner, you might become a little more conservative or you know you just you have all these different thoughts about the other side, whether it's liberal or conservative, and you're like like I know for him a big thing. He was like, ah, dude, I just Texas is full of a bunch of super far right crazies.

4:09 And he moved to Texas and everyone was like no one cares if you smoke a J dude. No one gives a dude two shits. And like he was like okay, wait a second. Wait a second Like you can see that he realized he was like okay, I'm actually way more conservative than I thought I was, you know. And I'd say too, it's not always a swing from the left to the right, but it is also, in general, like a more broadening of your view and like and or being less hardline. There's certain things you get more hardline about and other things you care less about. So it's like if it's a you know, yeah, just in general, it's just like you have less.

4:51 There's certain things that you really do care about and you want to instill that in your kids, the people around you, your circle of influence. Then there's other things that you're like nah, it's not as big of a deal to me as, like I used to die on this hill over. You kind of start shifting, hmm. Well, welcome, welcome, ken, to the Mickey Pass Show. I'm Mick and I'm Pat and it's been a hot minute since we've been able to record. Our lives have been very, very busy and you know it's just good to sit down and be able to get back to basics here with one another. We hope all of you have been doing good. You know, before we forget, we're just going to remind you that you can always reach out to us on the YouTube channel, like, comment, subscribe, let us know how we're doing, dislike, do anything you want, as long as it's interacting.

5:41 We love to. You know, just have an interaction, uh, with our fans and listeners out there. Uh, you can send us fan mail, by the way, now, um, and it's like fan email and all that stuff through, um, our websites and, as well, you know the usual voicemail stuff, um, check out our sponsors, uh, trinity, freedom, lawirm, podpage, all that stuff. Check out Audible, because Pat and I have been on a pretty big book grind lately and I got to say man East of Eden changed me. That had more of a profound impact on me than I think any other book I've read outside of the word of God.

6:22 Wow, what, what do you? I I'm pretty much in agreeance really in that. Yeah, I mean, like you know, just it's uh, it. It's one of those great authors do this thing where they dive into a story that really doesn't have much of a story comparatively to comparatively to like how we are used to now. This like perfect story arc, action, packed things, a perfect to resolve, and like in your, you know, eighth grade language arts class. You learn, you know, you have the introduction of the protagonist and then you have. You know the rise, and then you have, you know, oh, you know, all the different parts of that literature story.

7:07 You know all the reaching up to rising action, climax, resolving action and resolve. You know right conclusion it's in this wave, yeah, you know, and so the. Uh, then certain authors, they just they're able to do this thing, where they take you on this journey. That's like so mundane. It can be very mundane at the same time. Could have been the story of 10 000 different families you know I mean, it was so, so mundane that was on the premise. Oh, yeah, for sure. And so I think that, like the, because we're gonna get into this, because we're gonna do a big old long gotta do a dog ear dialogues for this one podcast. It's just entirely too long. It's gonna be so long. Yeah, we gotta do so, I think that we gotta do four parts, one for each part of the novel. Yeah, you know what I mean, just because it's it is massive, but it's like it's.

7:51 What's weird is that like it's less hours than, uh, lonesome dove yeah, which I, I know we owe it to our fans to do a lot of dove dogger dialogues but it's less hours than that. But it does feel like there's way more character, like I don't know, like there's just more details about the characters to flesh out and dive into and like the allegories of them. It is kind of an Epic in the way it. You know it does bring in characters, close out characters and stuff. You gotta, you gotta treat each thing um with. Uh, you know what the author intended in his full scope of it and there's very like, very simple concepts in it that take a whole lifetime to understand.

8:40 If oh yeah, so I'm excited to get into that because I think that it was uh, it was a great book, um totally came out left field for me, man, I just downloaded it because I've like, yeah, steinbeck, he's a classic. I just started listening to it one day when I was like I gotta, I gotta put a book on while I'm hopping in my shower. I can't take a shower without listening to an audiobook and so I was like I guess I'll start this one and see. And I just like in that shower, the first 15 minutes I was like this is gonna be a good book. I can tell right now this is gonna be a great book. Yeah, anyways, I don't want to get too stuck on it, but that's my plug for audible. Yeah, right, check out audible. We got our link, get your free 30 day trial and all that and I'll say this too if you're one of those people who always says like, people ask like hey, do you read the books?

9:26 Or read this book, and they're like I'm not a reader, listen, you don't have an excuse anymore. Do you spend, do you shower, do you drive your car, do you do anything by yourself? do you go to bed? Do you need something to silence those thoughts at night? exactly. Some of these books might not help you silence them isabella did for me it was so easy to fall asleep to richard poe narrating. He's got a great voice. He's got a great voice, the uh, and so you don't have an excuse anymore audible, get it. Listen to books. And because here's the deal, uh, all those like um reading lists from elementary, middle school, high school, all the ones that I pretended to read and spark noted. Here's the deal, uh, all those like um reading lists from elementary, middle school, high school, all the ones that I pretended to read and spark noted.

10:09 I shorted myself, I did not take the benefit of them that I could have had True Younger Now also. At the same time, I might not have been able to have the same perspective as I do now. And also, at the same time, some of those books suck. I don't care who you are, I'm going to say it. Can't remember the name of the book. It sucked the one that Leonardo Craig Gatsby Dude. That book sucked. I don't care what anyone says, that is not a good book. It's brutal. It's brutal, it sucks. And so what you got to do is revisit some of these things, because there's gems in there too. Yeah, there's gems that you can uncover, and instead of doing whatever it is, you do doom scrolling.

10:51 You know, stop checking your phone at the stoplight. Guess what you don't do at the stoplight if you're listening to a book? True, you don't check your phone. You know what you do. Do, though, if you're stopped at a stoplight listening to east of eden, wipe your eyes because you've been crying, uh. Anyways though, uh check them out. Those are our sponsors also we kind of have a newer sponsor well, not a sponsor, we have a newer, you know, affiliate partnership, who provides uh parts to help you. Look, you're talking about primary arms. Yeah, those guys. It is true, primary Arms is an affiliate with us. Now we're partnered with them and, yeah, we're going to have links for you guys to go through.

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12:19 Oh, yeah and um, it's great. You know it's only a one to eight x, but I've been able to punch out to 300 yards with it and, like you know, keep all my I'm. I'm an amateur long range shooter and I've been able to keep 300 yard groupings inside of a dinner plate. So, oh, I said, you know that's what's good match ammo. But um, you know, speaking of firearms, pat, you know we got some. Are these here right now? Is this a simulation? Yeah, do my eyes deceive me? Because I see something on the table that Is not sold by Primary Arms. Not sold by Primary Arms. But I'm going to buy something from Primary Arms to put on top of it. Heck, yeah. So maybe on the bottom too, yeah, and the other day I was just minding my own business, working, being a working man, being a working I receive a text message from old mick and it says the raiders are in stock and instantly I was screwed.

13:18 There was no chance that I wasn't gonna to immediately, when I had a moment, go purchase the Raider. The. Flux Raider Is that really yeah, is that how you feel, man? You felt stuck. What was the first thing I texted back to you? I think you said, oh, no, you shouldn't have sent me that Exactly. No, it was. I was like, oh, because this is like you know, this is a thing that's been, uh, for people who follow it or know about it, um, it's been really hard to get. It's always out of stock. Um, they make a lot of these. Um, what's, what's the generic term for chassis? The chassis chassis for your pistol. yeah, chassis you, you put your pistol in it and it's supposed to enable your pistol to have some support.

14:04 Yeah, have some support with it, whether that's a brace or a stock or a little bit more of a grip, and it's supposed to kind of add more weight and control to the recoil. It pretty much, you know, it's the difference between going from you know, your standard handgun pistol to an MP5. If you can't, afford an MP5, get a chassis, but also the scalping prices for Flux, because they're unobtainium. Are the prices sometimes of MP5s Right? You know what I mean, yep, they've been marked up. And I'll say this too about chassis Chassis by and large, 95% of them are garbage, gimmick garbage.

14:47 They're not worth your time, they're not really safe, they're not going to work. Well, I know we got homies who own a Ronin. I love you, your parents love you. I hate that thing. If I ever see it, I'll kick it. I'll kick it like a dog, yeah. And so we got ourselves some Flux Raiders, and it's the Flux Raider X, the new one, the new one, cutting edge. Yeah, glass reinforced polymer body yeah. Sorry, I'm so stoked and so we have one in here that's just blank Ready. It's a blank canvas, yeah. Here's the thing. Yeah, everyone, I'm in the zeitgeist, okay, guys.

15:28 Uh, I've watched everyone else see it. I've watched everyone's video like use case for pcc that's a pistol caliber carbine or pistol caliber chassis um, and almost everyone's like there's not a real use for this. There's not a real use for this. There's not a real use for this. But then the flux came out and the tune, diddly darn did change. Yeah, and everyone's like this is it, this is the pinnacle. There won't be a better one than this for a long time. Um, and the way it works is that you take the serialized part of the SIG P three 20, which is just the trigger system. I serialized part of the sig p320, which is just the trigger system.

16:09 I'm dumbing this language down for people who aren't as familiar with firearms, so some of the some more of our gun familiar guys might be like well, it's not the technical term, right, and so I'm kind of doubling it down. The fire control group. Or, for those of you who don't know guns, inside the gun is the trigger. The trigger is the serialized part for the p320. It's what the manufacturer, the atf, says. That's the gun is the trigger. The trigger is the serialized part for the p320. It's what the manufacturer, the atf, says that's the gun. So if you just take the trigger out of the pistol and put it in a chassis, the gun is still the gun. You just have rehoused it um, and as long as you comply with the atf's rules and regulations, it's's still considered a pistol. You don't have to do any paperwork or anything like that. And so, though P320s ubiquitous, they're in stock everywhere.

16:52 You know they're like it's like they're the Honda Civic of the handguns right now, like that's not a diss on them. You know Honda Civics, they're the reason they're the number one sold car in america. And now what the p320 has done is it's become versatile and customizable, so like it's not just one, it's not just a gun yeah, so you can have. There's so many different options for it. Um, it's almost. It's very similar to an ar build yeah, and that you can get all these little parts for it that are going to be. You know, you can trick it out or keep it simple or whatever it's not to the level of, like glock, aftermarket support, right, but it's not going for it.

17:33 You know what I mean. They're trying to keep a lot of it, uh, like in-house and like more kind of less sketch you know what I mean, but they, they do look sick. I sketch, you know what I mean, but they, they do look sick I, since those are so available. I haven't even bought one yet, right, I haven't even bought a fire control unit. Uh, for the from the p320 to get for the flux, because I know the flux is the much more difficult part to obtain. Um, and I don't have that much interest in carrying a 320. Excuse me, that'll probably change once I have my flex up and running. Um, just because I think it's it's makes sense to have, like, if the flex is going to be my backpack gun, truck gun, yada, yada, right, then it makes sense to have a handgun concealed carry that shares the same magazine system, right, you know, I mean, that's kind of my logic behind it, so, but anyways, so I got mine.

18:25 It's not set up, it's this blank one hasn't been done yet. But, pat, yeah, you already got it. I've kind of built it out, and one thing about chassis in general has been that they've. Usually you just stick your whole gun in it. This one, what we were saying is you take it apart and put it, and that's why they really revolutionized. There was you could buy different polymer essentially lowers or grips and put this stuff in, and some genius was like I'm just gonna build a giant lower polymer grip and that's why this chassis is is winning and I've, I've, I've built mine out, but I've built it out with just like the parts I had, you know. So essentially, um, but I'm excited about it. So it's in the bag, I'm gonna I won't make fun of it, but so here's like this is a small backpack, that's a standard.

19:11 Uh, you know, basic what I would expect like everyday guy backpack, like it almost looks more like a mechanic backpack, you know. I mean, like exactly what he's bringing his lunch to work in. Yep, and I have this. This middle pocket's actually open right now, right like, but that can't see it. That's the pocket it's in. Wow, everybody's like grabbing the right part here. So it's all. It's all built out and the. The way this thing's designed, is you you're able to put a? We'll describe this as best we can, since we're no video. You know me and mick get to enjoy looking at it. Y'all don't get to, but just open it up on your phone, guys exactly so.

19:51 Um, you're able to throw a big boy optic on top as well as a flashlight on the bottom, because it's got the rails, it's got a spot for um, you load your mag just like into a normal pistol, but then where your forehand goes is going to be on a secondary magazine. It's not a foregrip. Yeah, it's not an angle foregrip. That's what I said your forehand. Yeah, I'm just specifying, Doesn't it say on it? I'm pretty sure it says on it. This is not a foregrip. That's funny. Yeah, it does. It says it literally, is in there.

20:32 They're not a foregrip. You just put your hand there. But, it's not a foregrip. It's June. Everybody, you get to be what you want. Okay, that's all I'm saying. All right, the flux might identify as Dude. The flux is influx. That's the reason it's named flux. I'm just saying there's some things around language we use around gun stuff that is maybe very similar to like the other language. Also other languages, other stuff, people use to circumvent um whatever uh law. So so uh here the uh I'm gonna play this noise for you right here, ready, listen to this.

21:12 That is the um, probably the best part about this the brace, the brace. When you hit this, button it out and you're able to then brace this weapon, and so I'm going to hand it over to Mick here so he can look at it and play with it. We've got to get this sight on. So I've got a red dot on top here, got a little light on the bottom, and mine's a .40 cal, which means the mags are incredibly hard to come by the mags are also unobtainium. Yeah, so how much? How much does a 40 cal 320 mag cost you um? 60 bucks. So don't put this mag in here.

21:55 This is for show. This mag doesn't fit, by the way. Okay, all right, why not? Um, because it's not, uh, quite long enough oh yeah, yeah, it's a 15 rounder it's just not long enough. We're not going to speak to capacities. Yeah, that's right. Good, good point, but the um uh, bro, you ever load up 50 357s in these mags, uh I I could and should actually they. I don't think a 357 works with my uh slide oh gotcha yeah, but have you um so charging it that going to be the most difficult part Charging. It is difficult, but they make an aftermarket charge for the front site. Yeah that. Are you going to go sideways? The sidewinder I might, or the top one, if probably top, because I'm lefty and so yeah.

22:38 So the way that so cause I don't know if they make a lefty version. I'm sure they do. but oh yeah, you're right. I don't think they do yet. Yeah, bummer, but try the mag swap on that. But here's how you do it. You see that Think like this long one, ak, ak, like button on the back of your foregrip thumb. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, click it Like address the weapon, though, just like you're using it Like get your. Okay, yeah, okay, now it's time to reload. Okay, push it once Now, push it, nope, push it harder. Yeah, there you go. Okay, all right, I see what you're talking about there. So the cool thing about how you change mags on this is it's one button to drop your.

23:20 It's all right, it comes. Drop your, it's already comes out. He put the mag in there. I told him not well, I did it. I wanted to get the full vibe, yeah, but I just I I'm using my, my flathead, don't worry, there we go. No, it's fine, um, but you're able to do a mag change super quick. I mean, a monkey could do it so fast. And so the cool thing about guns these days is you don't even have to be good. They've made so many advancements, you're going to be good. It's hilarious. Put a red dot on there. Put a flux on there. Is this a left-handed brace now? Left-handed brace. Put it on. Yeah, I can see, because it really braces right against your forearm. Yeah, it does as God intended.

24:02 Oh man, I'm so excited and like the weight of it is like very, it feels very balanced, like it doesn't feel it's weird because like you hold a handgun and you don't really think too much of your handgun being forward heavy right because you have the mag in your back right but between this you know kind of metal railed brace, the optic behind the actual grip and then the double mag up front, like you really do feel the difference in weight it wants to excuse me, but it feels like the weight distribute the balance is like feels pretty center, like right on where the uh, like right where your pistol grip is. For sure that's pretty much it that's it it's right there, because I will say, when I bought it, I will say when I bought it, um, and I got out of the box, I was kind of like I made a mistake, no way, really.

24:53 Just like feeling it. Like feeling stuff rattle, being like this is all plastic, some metal, like I had a little bit of buyer's remorse initially. No, but listen, I'm just saying. And then I built it out and I was like this is so sick, that's super awesome. So that's just a warning. If you get it because it's not necessarily cheap, you know. So you get it you might feel a little bit of that buyer's remorse too, just like for a second, but it's awesome and once you build it out, it feels great. Definitely, listen to watch their instructional video on how to put it together instead of doing it the man way.

25:34 The man way is we don't look at instructions, but the man way can ruin your flux, and I almost did when I tried to build mine out. So watch the YouTube video, yeah. Yeah, I mean, dude, I'll say this Once I have my slide figured out, like what slide I'm going to be running with the barrel and the comp and all that. I've just seen some people do some pretty sick paint jobs on them. That's what I'm just going to go for. Because with it collapsed collapsed. The length is 12 inches yeah, right, and here's the thing too, you know, like I'm not gonna say, like I'm not gonna stand on the hill and be like, yeah, this is your daily carry, right, like one.

26:20 They people make holsters for it, but it is a big ass holster, it'd be silly like it, like you could, I mean you could have it on a drop like holster. I think it could kind of serve in that capacity of like a firearm that you pull out of the holster right for like a security personnel, something like that maybe. Um, but like, if you're, if you're doing security and you're using this, you might as well just go full up to like a, you know, just a carbine. Yeah, like five, five, six carbine or something. So all I said, though, like the, what I see it for is honestly like a very practical, like covert, covert, like emergency gun, like it's that extra step of like beyond your daily concealed carry.

27:11 You know, if you think of like that pyramid, that's like you know what's that guy's name Hierarchy of needs guy. You know he did the. He wrote the hierarchy of needs for people. I don't remember well I'll look it up so, yeah, so, while you're looking that up, I think that, um, like like you're saying, this is not a concealed carry gun. You don't necessarily like, like it and it's really not necessarily, it's not a self-defense weapon in my mind. Oh, I think it is meaning this, meaning this like like when I think self-defense as far as, like, immediate action, I think, like, like this oh my god, this situation just happened so fast.

27:55 You know, it's the, it's the, the guy with the hey, give me your money. Or it's the like I see like someone rounds the corner approaching me, like honestly, you're not going to get this thing out in time, hit the button to extend the sure, um, the brace. And then also it's honestly, if you don't have the aftermarket stuff, it's hard to rack. Like get into battery. So like, if it's not already in battery, you're done. Um and so like I do see it as a it's still to defend yourself, but it is would be for a more offense in an offensive situation. Meaning like okay, I've had time to get this out from like beneath my, my, my like seat, or get it from out of the bag, check it, make sure it's charged.

28:41 Like extend it, go through my way. Like everything's good to go now I'm in it. Versus this, like you know, pull bang, it's not a pull bang. Yeah, you know what I mean. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I think it could be. I think it occupies a place where it could be, right, um, and it really depends. But like, so, maslow, maslow, right, oh, yes, uh, he's the one who does. I agree with me. Good name for a cat. That is a great cat name, like most psychologists. Great cat guys, yeah, like great cat name guys. Um, but at the bottom of your hierarchy of needs you have your most basic, most common needs, right, which is essentially just gonna be like flux raiders, yeah, exactly, um, but you're gonna have like your food, shelter, water, down there right, and then past those, you get to, like you know, the next level of needs, which is like warmth, clean, like cooked food, and then like permanent shelter.

29:37 And then the next one up is that is like social, uh, like social needs, female companionship. And the next one after that is like mental needs, right, right, and like, when you're at the top of the hierarchy, the like need is, like you know, occupation of free time, right, you know, like, at the most is like that's like the highest part of the triangle and I think like use cases for a firearm of like situations you might need a firearm, kind of also function from like a scale of like situations, you might need a firearm kind of also function from like a scale of like most likely to occur at the bottom and, uh, most like unlikely to occur at the top and the top of the top to p point of the triangle, and the firearm you will need for that situation or not even need, but like the best firearm, because Cause I'm not going to, I'm always going to err on the side that it's totally appropriate to use your AR or use your shotgun as a self-defense firearm right.

30:35 Like every firearm, could be used as a self-defense firearm. So, I'm never going to say it's wrong to use that, but I'm just gonna say you're more likely at the most common thing, which is someone is threatening your life or the life of someone else. The most common firearm you're probably going to use is a handgun concealed on your body Right. That's more often than not the most common way begins to, I think, occupy in that triangle just past the uh most common situation of like criminal encounter to like temporary instability.

31:16 Yeah, and now I'm not even saying like societal, I'm saying it could be just personal instability somebody didn't assault you, but like let's say uh, you hear gunshots. If you have time, this is what you want and you're in your home or you're in your car, yeah that. This is the thing that you can grab very quickly, covertly, and it can still be concealed very easily. I was watching people run it with uh jackets, yeah, you know, and just like a sling underneath the jacket and it's like okay, until I find the threat. I don't really want people to see me run around with a gun. I don't want the police to shoot me accidentally, so I'm going to keep it underneath my jacket or the other guy with the flux ray.

31:56 There's so many possibilities. These days. But you know, I in like, I think it occupies that space as well as, like you know, when I think instability, like temporal instability, it's like I think COVID, like COVID was a, we now, like on the other side of it know, is a temporary instability, like when it first happened and everyone was panicking and loading up trash bags into their car of their clothes and food and just fleeing and just fleeing. I can't tell you how many people I saw flee their rental house in our little college town here to go somewhere where there was, I guess, a bigger home with more family. It was insane, dude. The day our city announced they were doing a lockdown, oh yeah, just so, like the whole neighborhood, everyone who had a truck and like family or you know whatever friends, they just loaded up, they just left, dude, and I was like okay, all right, so like, we'll see how everyone else reacts here, right?

32:50 Um, something like that, that where, like, you're unsure and to be walking around with an ar again, not gonna say that's wrong depends on your situation, but to be walking around with an ar or shotgun visible makes you much more of a target. To, like those trying to maintain the order, like they see that immediately as a threat and those and or those who are trying to overthrow the order sure, yeah and like, I mean and like, but like, that's exactly like the thing. Like. I always reference katrina. Everyone forgets that in kat Katrina, if the government saw you with a gun, they were legally allowed to shoot at you and they were allowed, like they had full martial authority, to confiscate your firearm from you.

33:35 Now whether or not that's justified is a whole nother conversation, but everyone forgets that the, the National Guard, went door to door, taking everyone's guns. Martial law is a different thing than everyday civil liberties. Yeah, and the other thing about you know, like having anything, even if you're open, carrying in general, like any time, a thing I always live by is like a firearm always escalates the threat. Oh yeah, for you and them, meaning you know the consequences go up, yeah, and and it just means like if, uh, if I see a guy with a carbine shotgun, okay, that's like I'm like my threat, like my immediately aware, yeah, I'm very like, that's like I'm I'm spiking spidey senses.

34:21 You don't have spidey senses, apple, you don't need them. You can see the guy, but like, and so the anytime you can, as an individual in the situation, be a de-escalator, that's better, but at the same time, be very prepared with something they don't need to know you have, and hopefully you're not going to need it, but you have it. Yeah, that's what this thing really can cover the bases on. I agree, yeah, so, anyways, I I'm gonna try to get as much rain time as possible with it over the next year. Like I, I'm really stoked about it, um, and I'm gonna try to become uber duper proficient with it. Yeah, uh, because I really do want this. Like, this is gonna essentially live in a role where it's going to be in a backpack and it's going to be in that backpack unless I pull it, like it's never going to go in a gun case.

35:04 You know, like it's's going to be in that backpack unless I pull it, like it's never going to go in a gun case. You know what I mean. Like it's always going to be in a vehicle or in it, like in the backpack, in the vehicle or, you know, by the desk or whatever. So that way, like in a moment's notice, I could grab it and go Um, but is it always going to be on body? Probably not, right, right, um, anyways, super stoked, stoked about it. If you guys haven't seen me should watch some videos. They're pretty exciting. Flex raider, uh, you can find them on gun broker for sometimes fifteen hundred dollars double, triple the price, or you can set an alarm 7 pm on thursdays, 7 pm mountain time on th, 7 pm Mountain Time on Thursdays, and that's usually when they announce restock and if you're quick you can grab one off their website.

35:50 So all I said, let's get on to some of our other topics. Dude For sure. We're talking about violence. And violence comes in all sorts of forms. I mean, aren't we always talking about violence? Isn't that what we always talk about in this podcast? I don't know, maybe it's in my nature I'm not even a violent guy but I like to talk about it, I like to think about it, I like to see what's going on in the world with it. Sure, and we've mentioned this guy on the podcast. Actually, he might be the second or third most mentioned person, probably.

36:30 We talk about a lot. You know um and the uh mike glover. He's a youtuber, business owner, ex uh special forces green beret guy. Um, he was arrested about a month and a half ago for, uh, domestic violence charges and leading up to now you know that he's been a very outspoken person around mostly around preparedness. He owns a company called fieldcraft survival. They sell med kits and classes on, you know, being prepared and they sell also stickers. You know they sell all sorts of stuff. This is a standard youtuber, preparedness stuff they sell. And so he's kind of been making his way in the world post a military service, building a business and other things.

37:14 And he found himself in a bit of a pickle and so far you know the story goes. You know it came out that he was in prison, jail, jail. He was in jail, prison not quite prison, um for domestic violence charges. Um, the short version is that his girlfriend slash partner slash baby mama, um was. There's two sides of the story, obviously, but the kind of non-biased version is they had, they were having a husband-wife verbal argument and the wife or you know this girlfriend says it says some things and takes the baby to the bathroom.

38:03 He came upstairs, he was angry, broke the door down or got into the bathroom he wasn't and then in the initial police report says that he grabbed her wrist after busting the door down and said I'll break your wrist. And grabbed her wrist really hard After x-rays showed that she did have a broken wrist and police uh grabbed her wrist really hard. Um, after x-rays showed that she did have a broken wrist and uh police came. He was arrested um and was facing uh four felony convictions for um, you know, felony domestic violence, uh committing domestic violence in front of children on three accounts. Uh, he has two children and one with this lady and then the.

38:46 The fourth one would be I don't know legal term, but the judge said don't talk to your wife. There's like a non-contact order is not a contact order and he broke it. He tried. He like. First phone call in the jail is to a buddy saying, hey, can you, can you contact her? Yeah. Yeah, and via the secondary police report yeah, because none of this has been to court yet and there's been no final ruling made on the situation. And so you know, mike's the guy who I've followed for a long time. I think I've got like some close connections to the guy, so I think that, like I want to see the best forum in it and, granted, I've never met the guy, and so it's like I think that you, you let you you know people who work with I know I know people who know him.

39:41 Yeah, yeah, so yeah, so, like no people know him, and so it's like I. I do feel somewhat. You know, it's what I've. He's not my buddy, but I just I feel mildly it's a weird thing you can kind of feel mildly connected to someone. It's a I'm a friend to a friend of a friend yeah, the degrees of kevin bacon yeah, exactly, exactly, for real. And so I think that like and also I'm always cautious when entering into these things I try to be cautious on like making a personal state, like making a public statement or making a personal judgment on it, because so many things can go so many different ways and I think all parties and both parties in this thing have there's probably blame to be had on both parties and peace to be made from both sides.

40:32 But you know, lately the newest thing is that these charges have been dropped. Hold on. Before you do that, go ahead. Just to let's make it real quick, cause that was a lot. I know I was kind of rambling. No, it's good, it's just Mike Glover. He's a former Green Beret Beret, right yeah, or Ranger Beret Beret and he's been with this woman that he calls his wife, but they're not technically married, has a kid with her Not his first wife that he had two kids with and, uh, she seems to have grabbed a kid, ran upstairs to the bathroom, locked him in. He broke through the door this is, seems, right, this is what was reported and he broke her wrist, like and then the police showed up.

41:19 Um, he didn't beat her, you know. He grabbed her wrist and it wasn't like he was smashing her face against the toilet, right right, he wasn't trying to kill her or harm the child. Um, all that said, before we go too far, I think the other side of that we should say too is like his side of like you know, before things came out recently, it's like his side is like hey, this chick has tried to self-harm herself. She's mentioned stuff about self-harming her and the children and I was worried. She was taking our child up. She said I'm going to give him a haircut. And then, after we had had an argument, ran up the stairs, locked the door and I was afraid she was going to drown herself and the kid right, because once one thing to note that he said in the first police report that I think is worth like noting, which I'll say this I like to be naked but, uh, this picture of, uh, what he described does raise some like hairs on the back of my neck.

42:23 When he said I saw her at the top of the stairs fully nude and the child was fully nude and she walked into the bathroom. Yeah, there is something of a like. It feels like a scene from a movie yeah when the crazy person's about to do exactly like, uh, the like it. Immediately, when I was reading like his report of it, I was like, oh, that sounds just like the chick. Uh, leonardo de caprio was married to, in, um, that uh, island movie what was it called? Shutter island? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like that. Yeah, okay, I might kick the door in too right, because you don't know what's going on uh, but okay, so latest, give us the latest. That was this I just so, that way everyone's on board. Latest update yeah, and so now the kind the kind of a and you can go watch videos and breakdowns on this stuff because people have been talking about it.

43:10 But now at this point not all charges have been dropped but the felony charges have been dropped. After a judge and prosecutor looked at kind of all this stuff, they determined that it wasn't warranting felony charges, part of that being because she did recontact the police and recant her initial statement and told another story, and it's worth noting that they had both not been in contact with each other when she told her side of the story again, because he told he she initially at this at the at first he said one thing, she said another.

43:57 When they were separated he goes and is locked up, he is no longer talking to her and then she recants what she said and gives another statement that then matches up with what he said. So you know, uh, the it could be assumed there's two versions of two trains of thought to go down on this, which would be one would be she could have been intimidated into saying a story that matches up by him or somebody else. Right, so to like to get charges dropped. But the way that the timeline played out was. She actually pretty quickly re-contacted, told, retold the story um and talked about her own mental health issues, and he had not been in contact with her at that point.

44:47 So there wasn't necessarily a chance for that kind of the stories to get realigned right. And so when two people who are pretty much totally separated give the same story, at that point, in general that story can be more trusted than if they'd been in the same room, you know collaborating, and they did not have a chance to collaborate in this story, so and and I think it's important to say like there were things in the initial police report that were just straight up, not true. Right, like the initial police report said that mike broke the door down to the bathroom, they literally went to the house to take photos on the case for evidence. The door was not broken down there was actually no sign of like the door being broken at all there was like a crack in a hinge, but not like the way it sounded.

45:33 It wasn't like he kicked it off yeah yeah, exactly, or just bull bulldozed through it right um there was the other one too, where she, like they said, like I guess corroborating her words too, but like they said, like I guess corroborating her words too, but like what they said is like she actually broke her wrist, falling on the bathtub. A dirt bike accident. Oh, she did say it was a dirt bike accident. Yeah, instead of that incident. Yeah, because what she initially said was Wow, that makes so much sense with the jokes. So she walked it. So the initial story was he came in and said I'll break your effing wrist. And then grabbed her wrist and snapped it. But also her x-rays were from. The x-ray showed a hairline fracture of an injury that had happened prior to that moment.

46:16 So one a hairline fracture. The type of fracture could was from an impact type injury, not from someone twisting. And so you know it's like she said that to hey, you know this, my wrist actually is hurt from. You know I wrecked it last week on dirt bike accident, which you know. In other in in the city, you say you fell down the stairs, and in the country, you say you had a dirt bike accident. I don't know, like, like, like, you know, like. So I'm still trying to give this story a full fair shake. But also I'm a fan of mike lover and I think that I, I think people mess up too. There's there's so much to say about this whole thing, but the, the facts we know now would be that, um, she changed her story to line.

47:00 They lined up with his and also the um, uh, the big thing that happened to him, where he tried to contact her through the, where he broke the judge's non-contact order. The prosecutor and the judge listened to his conversation and said that wasn't actually a breach of the order, like that wasn't a breach of the non-contact order, whereas what happened initially was the invest, the police investigator. When they heard that recorded phone call, they took that to the judge and the way they'd written the report seemed like yeah, that's a break of contact order. Then the judge and prosecutor listened to the phone conversation.

47:41 They said no, that's not what he was doing. So I think that one big thing to to talk about in this is like how the police reporting has been done on the guy and the investigation has been done as well as um. Then there's also there's like tons of things to actually break down in this whole story. Um, but at this point he is he's, he's not in jail right now. He does still have misdemeanor charges, no felony charges, but for him his world has been really turned upside down and he gave a update like two days ago, publicly shirtless, just the hat on up close to the camera.

48:26 yeah, hey guys, mike here, just I mean, it couldn't have been a worse image in my opinion. Like, dude, like the approach of it is, like again, I haven't even said my opinion on the guy, right, right, I'm just saying, like that is not the update video, you do? Oh, yeah, you know what I mean. Like it just doesn't look good, kind of looked like, you know, again free country, but kind of looked like he'd been drinking, like he was hot, overwhelmed, stressed, you know, and it's just like, bro, maybe, just maybe, you don't need to make the video. Yeah, you know what I mean Maybe not. Maybe don't need to make the video. Yeah, you know I mean maybe not. Maybe you don't need to come out yet because one thing, especially since you can't talk about it.

49:09 You can't talk about the case yeah, one thing me and you talked about a couple weeks ago uh, on this offline, on this was we were talking about how people who are in the spotlight always seem to they can't help themselves. But to come back out into the spotlight. He's not like a senator, I will say his livelihood does depend on his following in many ways, but, at the same time, so many people who go through different scandals or different hard things over time including whatever, senators, presidents, all these people, um, public figures, celebrities now YouTubers, influencers they for some reason have this need to come out and do a public thing, a public video, and I don't know if it's like, is part of it the uh, like hubris or like narcissism that does drive, even initially pursuing such a career as making yourself the face of something?

50:10 Um, or is it that they don't see a different way and they feel like they do need to come out and make a statement? I don't know, and I think that both can be true. Um, in this case, with his update video you know it was I feel like it was very much like partially sincere on the back. It was funny as the back half he did give like advice for other people who are struggling and sometimes when you're struggling, it's not a good time for you to give advice. Just just shut the hell up and, um, say what you need to say and get off. You know, if you do need to give an update to let people know what's going on, do it and then get off. You don't need to like don't be preachy If you're. If you're not, if you're not in a good place to preach, don't be preachy.

50:52 You know, and like sure, that was my main problem with that video was the back half for him on that, where I was like hey man, like the first few things you said was I thought're still around. You kind of gave us a brief update where you're at, kind of emotionally Sounds like you're getting help. And then like but it was like I've been praying a lot. I've been. When I was in jail, my cellmate told me about what to pray. And is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah, that first half he did. He did mention spirituality, reengaging his. He said prayer a lot. He mentioned spirituality, re-engaging his. He said prayer a lot. He mentioned prayer a lot. He mentioned re-engaging his faith. Um, he mentioned he. He did choke up around saying he hasn't seen his kid in a long time, how his family's totally broken and devastated from this, you know.

51:36 And so like the things he came out and said I think were it's a part of like it was fine. It's fine to come out and say those sorts of things. But then also you, you know, you don't always. It's like how people always like right now, I don't, we're not going to give the phone number for the domestic violence hotline. It's like, or like the suicide hotline, like there's like people for some reason, like it's like a thing where people feel like they have to, um, give something of offering. But if you don't have anything to offer, just shut the hell up and don't offer anything. If you want to pour out yourself and where you're at, that's fine, like tell us where you're at, sure that's good. But then also to be like and, by the way, if you're struggling, like call 1-800-222-222.

52:19 And also like it's really worth getting help in these situations or whatever. And then, and then he from there he continued on into like kind of like, just like a broad message to all people struggling, which the what, what, what. What he's doing psychologically at that point is um deflecting and um projecting his issues on the rest of the world, because then you are no longer othered. In this situation he's felt super othered and super isolated as someone who's done something bad and something shameful, something harmful, but now, by being kind of preachy and telling other people about it, you are therefore, um, you are uh, unothering yourself.

53:01 You think you're helping others, but what you're actually doing is saying, like, what I? What you kind of are saying is, what I did isn't uncommon, or maybe not that big a deal, and so therefore it's okay, even if and if you have this problem right here you go and and they're and I'm not even saying they're doing that, um that they're knowingly doing that. I think it's a subconscious thing that people do as self-preservation. That's why everybody hates apology videos, because for some reason, people just can't give a sincere apology out there. Yeah, well, yeah, it's because they're trash Right and they are. But I think there are people who do give in themselves a sincere apology video or something, but it's super ill-received and they don't even know why it's ill-received.

53:50 And it's because of this deeper subconscious thing where you know sometimes people try to do something, where you know he's trying to relate. I don't know, does that make sense? I mean, that was a lot. It was a lot. I certainly don't feel the same exact amount as you do. So, like I get some of what you're saying, some of it I'm like I could see that you know what I mean. It's just because I think I am even, like, more removed from it than you are, you know. So it's like a little bit more tertiary, but I mean, yeah, I get everything you're talking about and I think that tracks I like you know. I'll say, like one person who I like really did appreciate their apology video was, uh, chris d'alia.

54:34 Chris d'alia just came on, made a video. He was like I was a sex addict. Uh, you guys all know the truth now about like stuff, about, like you know, girls who are underage claimed like he was chasing after him. All that stuff kind of came out and got cleared out. Like that wasn't really the case, yada, yada or whatever. I'm not here to defend him. I'm just saying like I did, like I used to listen to his podcast a lot. I thought it was hilarious. When all the scandal stuff came out, I was like, oh geez bro, like I'm just gonna, I'm gonna take a step back and let it sort itself out. Like I hope all the best for him. He seems like a guy who decided to be a dad and family and all that. And then he came and just did apology videos like I messed up.

55:14 I got a lot to own up for. I'm going to help, that's what I'm doing. And he didn't like, as far as I can remember, he didn't do like a and you should get help too if you're struggling with this, something like that, because I know it's not, I know I'm not the only one. You know it wasn't anything like that. He was just like I cheated on my wife, man, I, I'm a sex addict and I would just try to have sex with you know I got a high off of it of having sex with people who idolize me, yeah and y and yada, yada, and it was just like. And then, like, I went and saw him and like saw him in tour. After that, my wife and I got tickets to a show and his show was pretty much just about like his family and how he's kind of recovered from that.

55:57 It was a little self deprecating, but it was really funny, right, like you know what I mean and I don't know. So, like all that said, like I think there can't be good apologies like that. But and also I don't think Mike's was a bad one. I'm just still on the fence about everything. Right, like there's a court case going on. I'm happy to hear charges were dropped for what seems to be like non-bullied reasons. Right, seems like I'm gonna be honest, she sounds a lot like a section 8 lady and if you've ever heard of this section, the wives of the housewives of section section 8 it's a funny meme, yeah, but the housewives of section 8 kind of are like it's a bit on, like women who marry a dude for a lot of money because they don't have anything on their own and then when they start not getting what they want, they threaten to do things to the man, like take his kids away or claim he hit them, things like that, right, and uh, they, the section eight housing is like it's just, it's a common trait of like women who heavily rely on welfare.

57:03 Section eight, right, right, that's the kind of whole meme part of it. Um, but everyone's joking about her how she's a section eight wife and or section eight gal and as soon as mike stops being the, the hubby or boyfriend she wants, if she's not getting the clout or attention she wants, or the money or something like that. Her, her mental games might be kicking in of like what to do. Um, I don't know her, I only know her, know of her from what we've seen in videos, right, and I'm flipping flabbergasted that Mike like how could he not see that as, like all the red flags, right, like she just comes off as like a woman who is grifting, yeah and um, not to mention like pre-existing suicidal tendencies, threats, you know, to harm oneself, to manipulate him, and things like that threats to harm him or the kids or take them away from him forever.

58:01 You know, very like obscure threats, right, like that, like those are just awful and not the type of woman you want to be saddled up to for the rest of your life. I know friends who have had those wives and those wives, you know, I have a friend whose wife literally like pulled a gun and shot and he was asleep and he woke up and he like, to this day he was like they're separated now, but this day he's like I cannot say with full confidence that she wasn't shooting at me through the wall. Yeah, you know what I mean, because she was drunk and just grabbed his gun and shot at him like shot in the direction of their bedroom and it went through the wall, right?

58:41 Yeah, um and uh, it's just, it's just insanity, right? So, all that said, I'm waiting to hear how things come out. Um, could mike have some problems with anger and abuse? For sure I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, um, I'm never surprised when people who have pdsd have issues with um, violence, violence or um, you know, alcohol or drugs or anything like that. There's a hole in you and you try to fill it up with something else to make you feel not hurting or empty, to distract. That said, how many times it's a trope and there's a reason it's a trope.

59:22 Military dudes are offlet picking partners for the most part. I know. I think I know three people who are happily married right now out of like the 15 or so I know who went and served in the military after high school, right, and a couple of them had to make some wrong choices before they found a girl who was the right move to go study with. So, all that said, I could care less about what sounds right or what sounds correct or politically correct, or if I'm sticking up for Mike or if I'm, you know calling him out as a chauvinist pig.

1:00:02 What I care about is how freaking funny some of these comments were. For those of you who don't know, you need to pass a background check to own a firearm. However, there is a class of firearms that you don't need a background check for and that, if you are a felon, you can legally own. I didn't know this. They're known as black powder guns. Oh yeah black powder guns like require no background check. You just go buy it off the shelf and you can load up your musket or your like cap and ball revolver and uh dude, some of the fun.

1:00:43 So look, here's the thing. Even if mike just has um a, uh, misdemeanor domestic violence charge, he loses access to all of his firearms. He's never going to be able to own a gun again. He's never going to be on be able to own a business or be a part of a business like as a um, what's it called limited liability, co-ownership or anything like that he's not going to be able to be a part of if they own firearms. Um, I saw some of the most hilarious comments were there. Like I went back and I was like let's just see what people are commenting on the videos, cause everyone of course on the videos is like woman beater. I'm like you don't know that for sure. Right. Like I'm, I'm.

1:01:27 I'm cautious jump to conclusions, but what I do appreciate is people who can make a situation funny. Yeah, and some people are like dude, I'm so excited for Mike's top five favorite archery compound bows for concealed carry. Someone else is like oh dude, I'm really looking forward to that Mike's how to clear a room with a black powder revolver and like I just found like those comics to be some of the most funny and creative, while like kind of poking fun, but like not really poking fun at mike or not being angry at him. You know that's good form of comedy yeah, I'm sure mike was gonna read that. Be like haha. Yeah, it is funny. So all I said it's a bummer situation for sure, and I, I think too, like because it was like a being pro her, pro him, like, honestly, like I'm pro neither of them, can I say that I'd say I'm pro their family being like good and I'm anti uh, I'm not anti the justice system, but I'm anti like the cops who, uh, maybe just listen to one side or the other.

1:02:31 Uh, or maybe a little bit exaggeratory in their response or like hasty or hasty and or like it's one thing to do reporting well, and then it's another thing to do reporting to put someone in prison Right or like and so, like, I think that you know, like the, because, because I, what, what I see here, what I think happened in this situation, if I was just given like a, if I had to, like, bet my life on a guess, if I it's like mike had two glasses of whiskey and she has mental health problems, they have marriage problems. He, you know, she, said some crazy stuff.

1:03:11 He went upstairs, forced the door in, maybe didn't break it down, but he came in there and was scary and yelled at her because he was, you know, maybe not composed. And then, you know, maybe he did grab her arm. I don't think he, you know, he didn't. There wasn't evidence of him, like you know, beating her. You know, and like, even if he, in some cases too, like he could have grabbed her wrist. And she's a tiny lady, he's a big man like, let's say, he did break her wrist, I don't know, but like, uh, and then the cops get called, get involved, and then this whole thing happens where eventually, one of the kids did get taken away by DHS for a week, all these things. Now you have all these government agencies involved, where there are tons of cases of where law enforcement, government agencies need to get involved to keep kids safe, to keep women safe, to keep men safe, and that's kind of the order of my importance in my hierarchy.

1:04:08 But then there's also plenty of cases of just families having like a shitty day that no one needs to be involved in, and they need to have like good community, good reconciliation, move forward, get help for both their issues and keep moving forward without all this other crap where, like you know, the whole world knows about it and you're looking at like potentially four felonies. I mean that's like looking at tons of jail time, totally erect, erect life, you know, and for her too, with her kids, and for these children too, thinking about, like you know, erect life for these children and stuff. So it's like if it's all been blown out of proportion, it's like, you know, for me, I that's what I'm, just I'm pro them versus pro the system, if that makes any sense, you know, like because I think that lots of people get into these situations all the time yeah, I'll be honest, like I'm more pro.

1:04:59 Honestly, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know the solution. Um, here's what I think. I think they're both probably not the best parents and, I'm going to be honest, it sounds to me like they both weaponize the kids against one another. I think she's grabbing a kid to give him a haircut and scaring Mike intentionally. I think Mike, yes, totally could be in the situation, justified, wanting to protect his kid, concerned about his kid's welfare. But I also think he probably also has had his fair share of pulling the kids, trying to get them, maybe to instigate her, because it's usually not just one parent that does that.

1:05:43 The parents usually do tug-of-war with the kids, and so I'm pro people getting their life together. I'm not sure that them being together is good for those kids, right, and I'll be honest, bro, especially his kids who are not hers. That's super scary. Yeah, she's got those kind of self-harm ideations and stuff like that. It's kind of dangerous to have her around kids who aren't her own right sounds like she could be a moment jealous. You know what I mean. Stuff happens all the time. So, all right, all that said, my final thoughts on the whole situation. Yeah, the comments are hilarious, the creative ones, uh, I hope, uh, I hope mike's okay, I hope his wife, girlfriend, whatever is okay.

1:06:28 I hope the kids are okay, um, and I hope that, uh, it gets resolved quickly. Um, I just I'll be honest, I'm just like it's one of those things that like it's so messy that I and I don't want to get involved in drama like that on the internet because there's there's billions of people in the world and like. What I care more about is like the image it gives to other people. You know what I mean. Right, right, like other people who might be like like I did see this. This is the biggest thing, this is my biggest pet peeve. Right, right, I was like I wonder when we're going to hear about Grantham. I wonder when we're going to hear about Admin. I wonder when we're going to hear about Donut Operator. I wonder when you know like everyone's just like it's just a blatant brush strokes of like all these guys are now going to be woman beaters because all of them are married to crazy women.

1:07:16 You know what I mean, and it's like one of those things of like ah, that's nasty, that's so gross to just paint brushes like that and because all these guys have chosen to align themselves with a certain ideology and or like way of living and then publicize it and monetize it. You know you could very easily like mirror that over onto like religious leaders, meaning, like you know, when a pastor does something, does something. Now, everybody every pastor is bad this every christian and all of his followers every do. Yeah, all that thing. So it's like meaning it's just similarly, and this is a much, it's a much smaller.

1:07:58 We're talking about a much smaller, less, you know, consequential group being like the gun tuber community right, I'm not comparing that to any you know the, you know your, your faith, but the I just think you can with you're saying the broad strokes of that being like, because they've decided to elevate their face to represent more than themselves, they have a greater responsibility to um, you know, basically be in line, which is also like um, which is then it's something that I I wonder if they've, if other people, like grantham donut operator, these guys have thought of that also been like, hey, like I'm bigger than this, isn't just my me and my friends goofing around with firearms.

1:08:42 This is like um like paul harrell says remember wherever you go you're representing a community exactly, and so I wonder if they've considered that in their life outside of you know, this little thing for them. So, yeah, it's definitely a messy situation and we hope the best for first the kids and then these adults to get their crap figured out, whether they end up together or not, you know. And then, um, family is a big deal and a big part of having a family I'm just shifting us over here big part of having a family is having a roof over that family, roof over the family you know, and uh, some people they just go out there start having kids.

1:09:25 They figure it out later, yeah. But those of us who are more analytical, more data-driven and more thoughtful- hey hey, I'm just saying we buy it, buy a house before you, before you have kids. Maybe now pat's not in this case, but I'm just saying Old Mick just bought a house. So I bought a. Yeah, billy Jean and I just now entered into homeownership. How many bedrooms does it have? Well, three, but the basement is finished with like a bathroom and closet. Yeah, so I categorize that as like a possible fourth one day. So what I'm. So I'm just saying, like you want kids.

1:10:08 I'm saying you're, you're, you're, you're planning and you're progressing and part of that's buying a house. So the home buying process in america today is crazy, yeah, compared to how it's ever been, and maybe every generation's always felt like it's crazy how it's always been. But it is exponentially crazy right now. And you did it, you closed, you got the keys it wasn't fun. You know I'll be honest, dude, buying a house is not fun. Like it's like everyone has this dream about it, fantasy about it, and you start doing it. Just a lot of ups and downs of emotions and very easy to like lose your cool, like.

1:10:48 It took me a lot of patience to not like lose my temper in the whole process. Not like get in arguments with billy jean about stuff, and you know we had, we had to have like. You know, this has been like a multi-year thing of like trying to buy a house right and figure out the thing, and a lot of it is like I truly the expression I use the whole time is like you, you, I, from a believer perspective, you have to hold it with open hands and you have to just not want it so badly that you're going to hold on to it tight and make a bad decision or a rushed decision, right, right.

1:11:31 And you know I'm not saying it's God's will you have a house or not, but I'm just saying like trust in God to help you make a good decision, trust in God's wisdom to like like let that lead you when you're like this is not wise, this isn't financially wise, this is an idol, right, that's the biggest thing is what I mean out of like, holding on to it tightly, is, like people make it an idol yeah, so many people make it an idol and like that's something that Billie Jean and I wrestled with in seasons of like is this an idol right now? We don't need it. We're two people in an apartment. It's totally fine, we can, we can deal.

1:12:12 So, all that said, though, I was shocked at I was shocked at how affordable it is in a super high cost of living area like we are in right now. And I say affordable, like in quotes, I guess, right, like it is a lot of money, but you don't need $100,000. You don't even need close to that To get in, yeah, just to get a good house. You know what I mean To get something that you can get set up with well, but you need close to that To get in, yeah, just to get a good house. You know what I mean. To get something that you can get set up with well, but you need to have discretion, you need to be willing to have like, you need to have things that you concede.

1:12:55 Right, and you know, for us, like, there was like a priority list and we wrote out the priority list and like, made it down to like what's too expensive. If we're looking at cost per square foot, you know and I tried to keep it I was like essentially like two hundred dollars cost per square foot starts tipping over to like I'm not sure this is financially a good investment, even if it was a three hundred thousand dollar house, 200 square foot is like less than 1500 square feet, right, you know what I mean. It's not that big, much bigger than an apartment. Yeah, now, there's nothing wrong with it If that's what you can afford. I'm not dogging on it. But where we live, you know, $300,000 for a 1000 to 1500 square foot place, good luck, you're getting, you're getting more of like a Gucci thing, yeah, and it's like is that a good financial investment?

1:13:47 Cause, then you got your HOAs, you got your tax, all that stuff, right, and that's probably not the best investment for first time home buyers, right, trying to set themselves up for a family. Where are you going to put your kids when you start having kids? You know what I mean, for sure, for sure. So I mean I'm an open book with questions if you got anything that you can think of. But, like I will say that you know everything's said and done, our total cost to get like a really affordable mortgage for us, um, you know, rent where we're at right now was about to go up to 1800 plus. Uh, you know your, your utilities and stuff, your cable. For what? Well, not cable but internet.

1:14:28 Um, so we were looking at like 1900 to $2,000 for a 900 square foot apartment Rent. Rent money is not an investment. Rent money gets thrown away. So for me I was like the deal has got to be better for for us financially as an investment than what we could be paying on rent. And after shopping around you know it was essentially we got a really good. We paid down the interest rate for the mortgage. We had the closer put $10,000 to buy the rate down. We bought it down with another $8,000. And total closing cost for us was $18,000 to buy the rate down. We bought it down with another 8,000 and total closing cost for us was $18,000 and change Um and that got us a rate of like 5.3, which is stellar right now.

1:15:19 It's good right now, yeah, yeah, and I mean we probably won't see general availability of that rate without buying it down to that for years. Right, you know, you're talking three years out, probably right now with the current market and the current financial economic issues, and so we're sitting at a twenty nine hundred total HOA taxes, mortgage insurance, home insurance and principal and interest, and so with utilities, internet, all that stuff, we're looking at just a little over $3,000 a month for a 2,500 square foot high cost of living area.

1:16:02 Right, is really good. Like most places you look online, especially when you're looking at them like zilla redfoot and they quote you like you know what you might be looking at monthly. Yeah, is like 36 to 4 000, yeah, you know, and so that and that's before your utilities before your mortgage interest, stuff like that. So, um, feels good, you know, it feels like that's definitely within our budget. You know, if one of us lost our jobs, like we could still pay that each month, we'd be pension right, but we could still pay that each month, right? so, and I think that's a super important point you just made, which was uh, um, as we enter the the Dave Ramsey part of the show, where is uh living off of?

1:16:47 One income, the ability to right, you don't have to, but like the fact that, like I think, so many people go out there and overextend themselves in this place where it's like the both parties have to work and have and be making like a decent income to afford just their house. And then I feel like lots of people aren't even thinking about the fact that if they want to work or not which maybe they should, but also they aren't even thinking about the fact, like if they lost their job, if they didn't have that income. So meaning like they'd, like they're only think. A lot of times people aren't thinking like oh, I want to have a job, we'll be fine, versus like wait, what if? Like I don't have a job, yeah, and that can happen.

1:17:30 Like uh, especially like the larger the company you work for, or also the smaller two, depending on like what it is like you could walk in one day and they're like we're letting you go yeah, if it's a huge company, they're like um, your department has been deleted yeah like, like the whole thing. They're like, yeah, you're like, so I don't have a job. And they're like, yeah, you're okay, great, like what the hell did? I do also like in a small company too. The small company can be like um, we're done the company's gone. Yeah, like what do you mean? I'm like uh, we're done, like the whole thing that I so like, so you don't have a job either.

1:18:11 And he's like Nope, like all right. Like oh, my God, so um it, just like those things could happen. So, um, living within your means is so important content within that too. But then also it sounds like you know a relatively like uh, like the numbers you're throwing out there too, for for people's benefit, you know, is like, um, it's attainable, you can get there, you can get in a place. I'm like you did, I bet you did like. I feel like you're a pretty like data driven person. Oh, it's my job, right, so it. So it's like do you like when you purchase something, you think through the ramifications of that in the budget? Yeah, like I've done the budget.

1:18:52 So if we pay right now, I'm even talking about like, just like Like, if you go out to Chipotle. Oh, not that much. I'm not calling you a penny pincher but I mean you're thinking about it. Yeah, I will say that I have a very strong average of expenditure each month that I understand we can operate in comfortably and I know what we can kind of do and fit into that. And so, like I'm not thinking like okay, budgeting for us to go out to dinner tonight, you know, or budget, like I need a budget and plan and foresee like what it's going to cost for us to like treat, you know, the parents to dinner or something.

1:19:38 I just kind of have a general idea of like I know what the cost of this is probably going to be this evening. I know how that fits into our monthly budget. You know, the parents to dinner or something I just kind of have a general idea of. Like I know what the cost of this is probably going to be this evening. I know how that fits into our monthly budget. You know things like that. Um, so yeah, I mean I, yeah I am very data driven. I did like the stuff where I essentially just put out like our income and how much of that we could save each month towards the house, and we've been doing that for like over a year now and we were we were saving 30% from each paycheck to go right into saving for a house, nice, and that's. You know, that's including, like, post investments to your retirement, post, you know, healthcare costs, whatever, right, right, um, and so that really helped me understand, like, what we could afford.

1:20:24 The biggest thing, though, is, honestly, like I think the biggest thing that people just don't understand when it comes to buying a house is just shopping around for mortgage like rate, and you know we're not sponsored or anything like that, yeah, but we did ours through Better Mortgage and they made it super easy. Ally is also like their baby parent company. I don't know. I think Better owns Ally, but you just can answer their questions of what your income and all that stuff is, upload a statement of your income, and then they just have a PDFdf document of pre-approval with the rate you select and what you're looking to either buy down to or not, and so, like, you can just adjust that on the fly, right to like where you're looking at, like financially, and so, like I knew with that, like, okay, now, yeah, rates do change over time, um, but I knew, like this is the down payment is going to cost to get this rate, which will give us this monthly cost, and now I'm going to look for houses that are within that budget or below it, right?

1:21:39 Um, and that's another big thing, dude. I've met so many people who just aren't willing to look at houses below. Right, they're like, no, no, no, I need this, it needs to be this. I'm just like, okay, it doesn't though your first house. This is my mentality too. We bought a townhome. A big reason we bought a townhome is plan is to rent it out one day. The plan is this not be our forever home? This might be our first home. We're in until kiddos are going to school, right, and then we might like hopefully we're financially a point where we can buy a house with, you know, a little bit of land on it and like have that like independent ownership, no hoa or whatever, right, right, and we can rent this thing out.

1:22:22 Yeah, um, and a lot of people I see are in this trap of like the first home they're gonna buy. They've never owned a home before, or maybe they owned an apartment, but now they want to buy a house and they're like I got it, this has to be it. I need to find the house I'm living in for the rest of my life. I was like, okay, like You're looking at something super expensive in a lot of markets. Yeah, those would be good words. One thing you were saying was shopping around to find your mortgage Because Israel. You're the guy who's kind of like knowing. If you're in the back of your mind, you're thinking about the impact on the budget. I'm the magic plastic card guy. I'm like where's this come from?

1:23:05 Nowhere, it's just the magic plastic card. You just tap it, it's gone. So you don't have to swipe it anymore. Yeah, you don't have to put it in now, you just tap it. It's like got it for whatever it is. And it's funny if I buy a stick of gum, what's my, what do I have to do? Tap it. If I buy something for five thousand dollars, what do I have to do? tap it same it's like to me. It's like the same amount of money just left, but it's not the same amount of money and then I like seem to over like the like. I'm also the one and done guy which would be like google. Like I'd google like mortgage. I, that's all I'd write. I'd Google mortgage. Whoever's paying the most for ads, click on it.

1:23:45 And I'm a little exaggerating here, but you know, click on it like fill out the form and just be like approved and you're like all right, I guess that's what it is. You know. And then so um and uh, and so it's good, good to have like your uh, live within your means in mind, as well as like shop around for the right thing. And then the other thing which I'm actually more aligned with you on would be like the you don't have to go, like at that limit or above necessarily, is like for the house. I had a friend once, who they were. They were strapped for cash, so bad, and they were looking to rent a house and they found this spot. That would have been, it would have been a great house for them, a rental, not a purchase.

1:24:29 But the cabinets In the kitchen were from the 80's. Oh my god, who cares? And she said I will not live in a house like this. Oh my gosh. And they didn't rent it. Even though it met every other need. Yeah. Exceeded. And when we're talking needs too, like back to the hierarchy of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, like we got to get back to that as individuals, especially as Americans, westerners, and then as just individuals, like what do you actually need? And like you can live with like need and like you can live with like okay, if the carpet is like stained and stinks and like is disgusting, like yeah, that's got to get torn out. It's a health thing you know and like. But if it's a color you don't like, if the carpet's a color you don't like, you'll be fine, yeah like somebody can fix it and so like, um, if there's not, if the backsplash?

1:25:20 the kitchen might even have a backsplash, but it doesn't go all the way to the ceiling. Shut the hell up. You're 27. Maybe when you're 50, you can get a backsplash that goes all the way to the ceiling. You know, like and so like the there's these things. Like we get in our mind that we just need, by the way, a backsplash to go all the way up to the ceiling. If your husband's worth a dang, he could do that in one day. Or if he has a friend who's worth a dang, you do it in one day. Like, you know, like, just like. It's not like, don't pay $60,000 more for a house because it has the backsplash or the gray floor. Then you know, for whatever reason, what's in right now is the gray floor you know the fake gray floor. Yeah, that's what you need Fake gray floor, floor, white tile, backsplash, and so what I'm getting at is like, for some reason, like people would go spend an extra 150, 200k on a house just because they feel like aesthetics and they'd be like, oh, that's so kitschy, like you know, like I can't do gold milk.

1:26:19 Gold milk so 90s. Gold milk so 90s, okay, okay, listen, does it hold your plates? And then, yes, okay, by the way, a base, the baseboard, is stained a color you don't like. Do you even know what a baseboard's purpose is for? No, you don't so. So it's like, just just stop, like, like, just stop like. It's like um uh with that. Also, what I said before is all these 27 year olds want to live like 50 year olds. It's like we all want to, and I'm guilty of this too. It's like, yeah, I do want, I want to own, like at the moment. I wish I owned two businesses and had a third rental house, and I wish I vacationed in Europe every year yeah. You know, and for some reason, I, part of a part of me does feel like I do deserve that at the moment.

1:27:04 Right, like there's a thing I mean it's like that's how my life's supposed to be also, no, it's not supposed to be like that. Like you are starting a family, you're getting your feet underneath you, like you're it's just it's stop. Stop scrolling on. You know, especially like, oh my god, like the certain people's instagram like algorithm. Mine is mine and your like youtube algorithm is pretty much the same in line yeah, but it's like other like I feel like lots of my buddies, wives and my wife's like instagram algorithm is like so many pinterest houses of perfect mormon wives it is the mormon church is investing so much into listen like social media and listen all those ladies, husbands are dentists.

1:27:50 Sorry, we're not going to buy you a house. It's 1.5 million yet, okay, but um, anyways, it's like. So that's the standard. Stops like. And I'm not just, I'm not hard like, I'm not dogging on the ladies too, like, guys too like, yeah, my thing would be like I should have five acres and a tractor and, like you know, in a, in a shop in the side, like you know, like all that stuff, but it's like, it's. All I'm saying is it's okay to have cabinets from the 80s and someday you could fix them for sure. Yeah, no, I in like that's what I mean. Like you gotta, you gotta concede on things like I think you know the. The conceding thing a big one for me was just like conceding like the idea like first time house is gonna have a yard, right, like there's so many houses that we saw that are like new builds and like they're new builds, they're built really fast.

1:28:40 There's a lot of sketchiness about them. You don't get a basement, which, for where we live, is like pretty unusual, I feel like, for, like most homes come with a basement, um, and uh, the build quality is like everything looks really nice, but like you don't know the longevity of that stuff, and it's sketchy. When you find out like, oh yeah, home warranty is one year, it's like okay, but the loan is 30, yeah, like it seems to me like you don't have that much confidence in the longevity of this stuff. Um, and a big one, too, is like a lot of them just don't have yards, like they're in ticky, tacky neighborhoods where, like they have a very tiny footprint, um, so they can squeeze more in. Um, and for me, I just just saw that and I was like, okay, here's the truth.

1:29:24 This goes out to anyone else who's listening, who's like I want to buy a house, so bad, I want to be a homeowner. I feel like, or like even to guys. I know single guys who aren't married, they're not dating anyone, they're just single guys who feel like I financially recognize renting is throwing money away. Right, I want to have a wealthy investment. That's the one that gets a lot of us is feeling like you're wasting it. Yeah, and I'm telling you right now. Here's the good news boomers are going to die and boomers currently own still something like uh, I think it's right now. Currently, they own 42 of the homes in america, all right, and they primarily own homes, not property, is what I'm saying.

1:30:14 Like, they own homes, yeah, millennials, oh, 51 of millennials homeowners but a lot of that is like condos, apartments, stuff like that, right, um, when the boomers die, there are a larger population of them that own homes, real homes, than we do. Someone will need to buy those houses and if, and the person who will get it is the person who has more liquidity, more cash saved up, and so, like, if you feel like that is out of reach, if you feel like the home, the dream home, it's got a yard, it's got trees, it's got a fence, it's got a garage, you know, if you feel like that is out of reach, it is not out of reach forever.

1:31:00 You just need to save money and be patient and have open hands, because when I say this is like I love my grandfather, I love my mama, they're technically both baby boomers, um, but I know just like their circle is shrinking every year because of health, and like people are dying and people are having to sell things, and they're selling their. They're selling their mountain townhouse, they're selling their mountain condo, they're settling their beach house in florida, they're and they're shrinking right, because they don't have the health and ability to go use those things and they need the money, or they want the money, right, they, you know. So they're selling assets. So just give it time, because we're about to.

1:31:42 We're in the next. People say if you want to look it up, look at the 20 like uh, america in 2030, the next five to ten years if you just google america in 2030, you'll see all this doom and gloom stuff about like, essentially, the population crisis too many like, uh, boomers and older gen xers and not enough of us to support them financially. It is going to be a painful burden on taxes and finances to support an older, larger population, but they will die. And then what happens is there's going to be a vacuum and an insane transfer of wealth and material assets. And when that happens is when you want to have the cash and if that and if you're like I need that house, dude, you, that will be the time.

1:32:29 Yeah, now I'm talking like 2030 to 2040 is a time when most people right now who are 25 to 35 are going to become insanely wealthy. Yeah, and between 2035 and 2040. And the other thing to think about if you're savvy is business ownership Yep. Which hey man. I don't know diddly about, because in the same sense that they're like, I would bet that the percentage of business ownership is pretty similar to, like boomer, to millennial. To millennial of business ownership is pretty similar to like boomer to millennial millennial. Now, uh, if you're doing a actual like business to business ratio, that would be way skewed because, like I've done, like seven businesses but like six of those have made like zero dollars right, so like yeah right, right and so, but um, and meaning how everybody, lots of people right now, are starting their own little thing.

1:33:23 But if you're doing like a cash value or like you know, like the, the value of the market, of what, what businesses are making money, it's the, the boomers on those. And so then also, like here's the deal, young guy, save your money, buy a house and then buy another house, buy a service business, buy a restaurant, buy another service business, like. You'll be able to do all that if you like, if you play the game right and just like hit it right and shop. Well like those, things are becoming available oh, yeah, yeah. And I think, like from what I understand about business stuff too is like it's just like buying a house, like you don't need to buy it all at once yeah, like it's, buying businesses can be cheaper than buying houses, for sure for sure.

1:34:09 Um, and usually you don't have to get like mortgage insurance, you don't pay an hoa. You know what I mean, stuff like that. Um, all I said, though, I get like that's kind of like where I'm at and like my mentality is like we just need to get our foot in the door into owning something. Stop throwing money away on rent, you know. Don't. Don't just leave cash sitting in the bank, you know. Save up cash so that way you can put it in an, in an easily liquidated investment, whether that's just like buying s&p 500 stock, like by the spy, I'm like, I'm like don't even don't put it in the bank, put it in straight cash in your safe or make it an asset I mean, yeah, always turn, always convert cash assets.

1:34:58 That's my argument. Never let it just sit, because our inflation is so bad right now that it's not your cash is never going to be worth more tomorrow, and especially with inflation. Here's the cool thing too about it is like I've bought my home. Now I have, you know, I don't know like X amount left on the mortgage to pay off. Right, inflation makes it cheaper. Like inflation lowers debt. So the sooner you can get that debt that you can afford to pay monthly, the better, because inflation like debt, doesn't increase with inflation over time. Uh, you, as long as you're making your payments, you're going to be like you're going to your capital to make that payment will increase over time due to inflation, and so, um, that's kind of my mentality about it.

1:35:48 Is like get your foot in the door as soon as you can on something you can afford. If you're a single dude, there's no reason you should be renting, in my opinion, like with the ability to single dude or single lady, I think. I think more single women should just buy that, buy apartment, like do what you can to just get something now that you can come to own one day and rent out or, you know, leveraged for larger loan to buy a home. You know what I mean, right, stuff like that, so that way you're not throwing that rent money away and your, your, your money's going into an investment, building liquidity, um, and you know, that's kind of like the idea for us. So all I said, though I mean, I've been a homeowner for a couple weeks you did it though.

1:36:31 Yeah, you did. It feels good, man, it feels good, uh. It is weird though, um, and it is, it is uh. So stressful. And now, if you need a new roof, that's on you actually it's not. But if you need a new water heater, that is like you know it's like yeah yeah, no, I feel good. Our water heater is good. The one thing I was researching the other day ac units. Yeah, they don't make them like they used to. Nope, hvac, the hvac community community, unanimously is an agreeance that the days of 30-year-old AC units are long gone. If a unit manufactured in the last 10 years, last 10 years, that's a damn good unit, because they've engineered them to fail after 10 to 15 years, oh yeah.

1:37:20 And the furnace is awesome. I had a hvac guy come do a quote on a house for me the other day and they're just like, um, the furnace had only been in there for like five years and he's like, and we were just trying to get some stuff fixed up and he was like we were trying to get new ducting ran and he's like I can't even run new ducts on this. Like, uh, you gotta get a whole new system. It's going to be 30 grand. Oh my gosh, I was like he's like none of this is to code. I was like dude, shut the hell up. You didn't hire him, by the way. Yeah, it's like oh my gosh. That was for a house that you were working on, or what yeah, yeah so but it's just like uh, anyways it, the hvac stuff.

1:38:06 It's rowdy. Oh yeah, make it last. Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, I mean I'm a big believer in like someone's got to come on eventually to upset it and just make great aftermarket parts. Yeah, to replace them all, but it's just like anything else right now, like so much regulation and stuff um sure, one of my dreams it's a horrible dream is to make appliances that last 60 to 80 years. Um, but I'd go out of business so fast but who knows, man, you know what I mean. Like you have a, you just gotta you just. Here's the thing. As long as you keep it private, yeah you just you have the business business, live and supply until you're dead. Then it doesn't matter anymore. But it's like one of those things of like oh, no one's buying any more new toasters because this toaster lasts 50, 60 years.

1:38:52 It's like, well, that business is going to go out of business. The dude who created that made his 10 mil and died. It doesn't matter if it goes out of business. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I think it'd be great just to come out with like this refrigerator will outlive you. It does cost five grand, which is a lot, but you'll spend 20 on refrigerators in your lifetime at the rate you're going. Yeah exactly. Last thing here, just for all those out there who are Speaking of life expectancies, those of you out there who are zen enjoyers, nicotine pouch enjoyers I've just, you know all the talk about zen being out unavailable and all that.

1:39:39 I just wanted to speak some truth to the rumors and give some options out here for our homies who are struggling. Because what are these rumors? Well, the rumors were that, like, zen was going to get banned, like Jewel Pods were, and that Zen was like the manufacturing plant caught on fire and burnt down, and so that's why there's the shortage. You know all this stuff, but one thing that came up, and this was like some dude just being like, yeah, zen is uh, they're being, they're referring to as the gas station ozempic because it reduces appetite, and people are just zenning so they don't eat and lose weight. And I'm like man, where's the zen at?

1:40:19 Yeah, tell me about this. That will also work as a weight loss supplement. Yeah, uh, because you know I zen regularly. I don't think I've lost weight from zenning. I uh I eat to zen sometimes, you know okay. So back in the day they'd always be like you know, as a child of the 90s I I remember smoking sections and people outside smoking People would be like after a meal enjoying a cigarette. I'm like that's disgusting. What's wrong with you? And then I found, for whatever reason, after a meal, a little bit of nicotine is one of the best things in the world. I just don't agree bro. It makes my stomach so upset Really.

1:41:01 If I've eaten a full meal, it's the thing for me, and so sometimes I'm like if I want to enjoy a good Zen, I'll go have a fourth meal. It's 8.30, 9.30 at night. I'm going to warm up some leftovers. Yeah that is bad eating habits bro, that's what I'm saying I'm going to eat those leftovers, I'm gonna throw in a nice zen. Uh, so it's not working for me either. As far as weight loss goes, my ritual is right before. I know I've said it before, but like, literally, like I will kiss my wife good night, tell billy g and I love her, and I say I'm gonna go have a zen. I just walk to the bathroom and I just throw three.

1:41:41 Hey man, if I like, if I'm feeling good, if I hadn't had any zen that day, throw four pouches, oh man, just two up top, two on the bottom. It just continually moving that, moving them around with my tongue, and I just sit and take a dookie and after that dookie's done, go to bed. That's how I catch up on my youtubes. That's like. That is like my most like consistent, like dude, literally. The other night when we were last night in the apartment uh, last night we were sleeping there before we moved everything out I was like three zins on taking a duke, uh-huh, and I hear this like pop bang sound coming out from like somewhere in my apartment complex.

1:42:23 I hear, I can hear, because the bathroom is right against the like outside walls to the stairway. I can hear people running down the stairs real fast and I was like in my you guys know, when you have enough zim, like you get the sleepies. Yeah, you're like a little like everything's sluggish and I was like oh, mid loaf. Yeah, I was like, yeah, and I was like all right, I have to pinch that off, because what if that was a gunshot? And I literally like pinched it off, did a wipe, pulled up, walked out, went to grab my gun and like because I don't take my gun off? And then I told him I asked billy jean. I was like you hear that bang? And she's like brushing her teeth. She's like yeah, and I was like I'm going to go look real quick and like when I look nothing going on.

1:43:04 It's like all right, close the door, go back, put the gun away, go back, resume deuce, and like it was one of those things, though, where I was like reaction time is definitely slower. You know when you're when you're zenning, Um, but, but it's a, you know it don't come into my home, man, just like I'm telling this right now. You know you guys are listening. You might think like all right, that's how we'll get mick, we'll catch him off guard at night when he's in 9 30 yeah, no, you won't, son, I'm still able, I'm, I'm on the edge, ready to respond, baby, all right so what was this? what was this garbage doctor doing? Yeah, dude. This health expert on fox is like it's you know a weight loss thing and like by the time I'm down to read it at the end of the article, he's running his own health like clinic.

1:43:47 That is designed around real late. Real quote weight loss treatments in his own proprietary weight loss product called liquid vita. He's like you should do this. It's way healthier for you. It doesn't have any side effects of nicotine. I'm like it's goop in a bottle, bro, like that is supposed to be what. There is no weight loss supplement. That's not goop. Yeah, so the guy who is was standing to profit by he was standing to profit while dunking on zinners. Anyways, I thought that was interesting. Uh, rumors of the fire at a zen factory. So for those who don't know, zen, originally created by a swedish manufacturer. The swedes, the swedes, love snuff dude.

1:44:29 Oh yeah, sweden is like the number one producer of snuff. They invented it, and did they? Oh, I didn't know. They invented it mad respect. It's why they, it's why they have like no smoking. Now they like. I believe it. It was probably like snuff was a part of like they like don't smoke, they just snuff it up. Yeah, people told me like I was reading stuff on reddit. People were like yeah, everyone in sweden babies, babies, guys in their mouth like and uh, lung cancer rates went plummeted, oh yeah oh yeah, um, but anyways, um. So there was a fire at this factory. Just so you guys know, the Swedish company that makes Zen was bought out by the company that makes all the cigarettes. I can't remember the name off the top of my head it's like P something.

1:45:11 The big one. The Marvel company, but they have a factory in Sweden that did catch on fire, but it didn't burn down or anything like that Can you get high from Zen fumes? I don't think so. Here's the thing that most people don't know. I realized this for a lot of these pouches it's salt infused with the nicotine, but that is in like coated on. It's like, what's in the pouches is paper. They call it wood, uh, wood mulch or wood something, and so the pouches just have essentially fine powderized paper in them that has that like hold the nicotine and uh salt on it, and so that's how you can like kind of.

1:45:56 I mean honestly, if you have a zen pouch in for a while, it kind of does feel like you got just paper that went soft in your mouth, right, um. But I imagine a factory with all that Powderized paper can light up pretty quick. You know what I mean. It sounds to me like it's a recipe for fire. My god seasons. Yeah, um, but uh, anyways, so that one didn't burn down. But here's the good news there's a factory in Good old Lexington, kentucky, and that is the producer of all the Zen in America. And the reason someone from their post on Reddit they worked there they said, guys, kentucky Lexington factory's fine. The supplier of the cans and lids had an issue and can't meet the demand and that's why there's the shortage, which makes sense, because I noticed a couple other similar cans of similar sizes have gone out of stock.

1:46:47 My usual go-to substitutes for Zen are running low as well, and so they expect the resupply to be completed by the end of the year. That is too long, I know, but in the meantime we have our opinions on some subbies here, some subs for our listeners to you know zen, to um dude, sesh, sesh is great. I bought three cans of sesh, different flavors, big like fat, like I'm talking like inch and a half long pouches, like a full horseshoe, yeah, and like they were like nine milligrams, and they were awesome. They had such good flavor and I didn't notice a difference between like their effectiveness versus Zen.

1:47:31 But I also noticed that they were out of stock immediately when I went to go buy some more. Like I had them for like one week and then they were gone. So I will, I genuinely think, like more. Like I had them for like one week and then they're gone. Um, so I, I will, I think, I genuinely think, like if sesh comes into stock though again and they're billed, they're more available I might switch to sesh. Oh wow, that's how good it was all right. Um, velo, what's your opinion? Man, you've had some velo. I'm trying. I just tried one now kind of tastes like medicine. It's a velo to me is we're gonna talk about the other one later on. It's like a, it's like a little bit better than on, and it's it's just. It's better than nothing, but it's not what I want yeah, I wonder like the effectiveness of it too it does taste like medicine it definitely has a medicine which is kind of like freaks me out.

1:48:17 You know, I because I kind of I trust zen and what they're putting in it, maybe I should you trust the swedes, I do, I trust the swedes. These other people I don't trust them yeah, dude, I will say like uh, velo, velo seems nice, but velo does come off as like the like more fancy chinese brand. Yeah, you know what I mean. Uh, rogue, I think rogue has a good taste. Um, I've seen that they've upped their like. They're usually pretty cheap. They're trying to always look like tobacco cans, right, like the style and the embossed lettering on them. I think they taste good, but they're weak as hell. Bro, I bought their I think it was their nine or eight milligram pouches and I threw three in and I was like man, dude, maybe my tolerance has just gone up a lot.

1:49:08 Next day I threw in three zen pouches of six milligram. Floored me, bro. Floored me like like I was an amateur rookie. Yeah, like I just wanted to lay down on the floor and I was like okay, so clearly there's a chemical difference in how receptive they are. So the rogue ones, I think, are just weaker. They advertise as like six milligram, eight milligram, whatever. I don't think that's what you're getting out of them, like you would from a Zen. So I've been having to do four pouches just to get my normal fix. That I would get from like two pouches of zen. That's extra expensive but there's more pouches in a can and each cane of rogue is cheaper, so it kind of like balances out is out there um, and then on, on is just like on to me.

1:49:53 Feels I don't know, feels like it's pretty sketch, like on burns holes in my mouth yeah same on is like so acidic in my mouth. Yeah same On makes a scab in my mouth. Not a scab. Not a real scab. No, for real me it does. Oh, you got a scab in your mouth. I got a scab in my mouth from On. That's disgusting. I'm not doing this anymore. Respect. You know when to call it quits. Well, yeah, after I moved to the other side, until it happened again Like an idiot. That's funny oh my gosh dude, yeah, on is like they're tiny, they are like cheap, they're cheap. Uh, you get a lot of pouches to a can, um, but it does burn. And I've noticed like the like, uh, the the axis of like having a good time to I need to go to the bathroom to throw up is so much less predictable with ons, like like I have, like I've been, there's been times where I've thrown like three, eight milligram pouches of ons and then I'm like I'm feeling good, I'm feeling good and then, like sip of water, I'm like, no, not feeling good.

1:50:57 Everything is not okay, everything is. I'm about to poop and throw up and like so I it's not worth the savings, yeah I just, I mean, I just don't think it's worth it if it's the only thing you could get to hold you over. All right, I understand, and here's one I haven't tried I thought about giving a shot on is the black buffalo? Never even heard of it really? So black buffalo is more like traditional dip, but it's not, and it comes in long cut or in pouch of pouch form. So I, if you are like a old school dipper, then the black buffalo can be like the most closest to the real deal. But there's no whatever they say, no add additives, no tobacco, no carcinogens, all that stuff.

1:51:42 So it's kind of like something else that's plant-based. So you get that same feeling, but with, basically, nicotine salts added in. And so I've thought about, I don't know, maybe that if Zin goes down and you can't find anywhere, that might be the way to go. The black buffalo, yeah, let me know, man. So I have to give it a shot. One time I had these pouches they were these Arab dip pouches Because I was hurting. I was out in the Middle East and there was nothing to be found besides cigarettes. And I'll tell you, what you didn't want some Turkish cloves. It wasn't good. They weren't good. What you didn't want?

1:52:23 Some turkish cloves. Um, it wasn't good, they weren't good. It wasn't good whatever they had out there, damn, it was the only like gas station type spot that had chew in the whole country, so I bought it. Wasn't good, wasn't good so yeah, I imagine it's pretty unregulated out there. That's the other thing too. Yeah, it's like there's no rules, but anyways, hopefully zen gets her cancer. I think that they should go for the ziploc baggie method, because yeah, that was a comment like someone was like someone responded to the dude from the kentucky uh-huh. He's like, yeah, I work here. Here's the real issue. So I was like cans, lids, shit dog, just start peddling them in dime bags, bro. It's like yeah, I guess I don't know like what. If you made a reusable pouch, it's you could market for the extreme work.

1:53:08 I don't know you can't a reusable pouch. Yeah, so people have these baggies full of powder quickly turning to cocaine people have these little baggies full of powder and they're trying to pour it in and they're just jonesing for it. That's rowdy people would not pour the powder full of powder and they're trying to pour it in and they're just jonesing for it. That's rowdy People would not pour the powder into the pouches. They're just going to snort it, bro. They go out of hand. There's no problem. We all have our own cans. Just give us the pouches. We'll put them back in there ourselves, Figure it out. Marketing team. That's funny. All righty, that's funny, alrighty. Well, hey, dude, that was a long episode but we had a lot to catch up on, a lot of life stuff and news that we wanted to go over. But thanks for joining us, ken, again.

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