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Welcome.
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Welcome to the Mick and Pat show.
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I'm Mick.
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I'm Pat.
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And thanks again for joining us again.
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We always appreciate it.
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I've received some very encouraging feedback from the last couple weeks of our content and episodes and just happy to be sharing our stories and life, and all that Even on a week where, you know, I don't really know what we're going to talk about, until it happens sometimes.
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And, pat, you brought some delicious, interesting beers.
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I actually have had these before.
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I think my buddy grabbed them for my birthday or like the day we were celebrating my birthday, but and we tried them, and these are two of True Brewing, because we love True Brewing here.
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These are two of their like fancy bottled.
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What is this, you think?
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Oh, 500 milliliters, um, beers, but they're ones that they like brewed in 2022 and sat in some kegs or food is.
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See the moon, oh, and I got both.
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See the moons I didn't get the other one oh, you got both seasons all right well, I guess we don't even need glasses, we can just drink straight a hot bottle.
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Yeah, um, this one is I'll say this is really good and the other one's really good, but they're incredibly distinct from each other.
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It's a mixed culture, ale which?
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I don't know if I've ever had one of those before.
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Well, I don't even know what that means, because so many you could say a lot of beer is technically mixed culture ale.
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You know what I mean.
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Yep, yep, and I picked this one over the other one because I can't remember the ingredients.
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This one's got the uh, jasmine flower and uh something hops, that's a weird font but the um, the other one I forgot what it said on it, but I was like I'm going with this one there is one of them literally made my tongue numb.
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Like it's one of the most oddest experiences I've had with a beer like and, and both of them have like three or four distinct tastes.
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Like you're gonna have an immediate taste and then a middle taste, and then you're gonna have like a swallow and the first breath you take is gonna taste like something else.
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Um, it's pretty, it's pretty interesting.
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But uh, yeah, these are from True Brewing.
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I don't know if they've done this before.
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You know, like, if like this is a specific thing they're doing all the time, part of me does wonder if this is like a revelation.
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You know what I mean.
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Because, isn't it like the great dragon in revelations comes up and swallows the moon?
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I think you might be right yeah, so, and this is straight up a dragon flying, breathing.
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It's got some like satanic looking horns and the beer is called see the moon, so maybe it's like a reference to revelation, but, um, anyways, uh yeah, it's pretty good, um, and I'm stoked to see pat go through it because it was definitely like a very unique experience first time I had it.
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So um the uh.
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The woman is, in revelation, depicted wearing the sun and with the moon under her feet, but so, and I guess he's like, has his mouth open at the beneath the woman to catch the baby.
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So interesting.
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Yeah, that's the uh um, the old, real revelation there well, this, this dragon on here.
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It's holding hops and barley, yeah and Yep.
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So I don't know if this is the one that's trying to eat Jesus, um, but any news.
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Uh, pat, I think you should crack it open, all right, because I really want to see you experience.
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See how it's pretty crazy, man.
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See the moon to the sink Is this is this beer legal in all 50 states?
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It definitely has a strange, strange taste to it.
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It definitely took me two or three sips to really figure it out.
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Let's see.
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It's still carbonated in there.
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That's good.
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Oh, it smells good.
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It does smell good, true man.
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I'm always excited for the true.
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Those smells like come out like just pure soda.
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It's hard to explain like.
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It's like a fermented soda beer yeah, that's, that's good.
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Going through the, how many flavors are you getting?
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It's changing because it was at one point it was like I was having a sour, I think that was in the middle.
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At the beginning it was like I was drinking a light summer beer.
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Then it turned into a sour and at the end it got kind of thick, like that creamy, bready taste, you know.
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But I honestly don't know how they could do it like how do you get those flavors distinctly, one after the other, versus like them just all being layered on top of each other?
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I don't know, that's.
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I like that.
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The each other.
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I don't know that's.
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I like that the cultured ale.
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It's good for your gut health.
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Is this what we're doing?
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This is healthy, maybe For the old belly.
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Anyways, should we give it a swish test?
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We're not reviewing this beer, by the way.
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Yeah, we're not reviewing this beer, by the way.
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Yeah, we're not doing like a specific brewery review, but Might as well.
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Might as well, do it.
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Swish test.
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If you don't know what the swish test is, you take about a tablespoon amount into your tongue I mean not into your tongue, into your mouth and you let it roll over your tongue, go over.
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You let it roll over your tongue, go over the back, over the sides, go under it, kind of just moving your tongue around so it can get coated.
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Then you start squishing side to side and then you put all the beer in front of your tongue and push it with your tongue through the, the front teeth.
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It really aerates, it really foams it up, it brings out all the flavors and pat is looking like he is going through a lot of confusion right now it looks like he is very confused by everything he's he's experiencing which I forgot what that taste is at the end kind of like a lemon drop, I think it was like a.
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It's like a.
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Yeah, it has like a like this.
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It's not super sour, but it has this as it finishes off it's, it's.
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It's like is it a lemon drop?
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Is that what it is I'm trying to?
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figure out what that, that flavor is.
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It's like it was confusing.
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It was very familiar, like the beginning is for sure sweeter and the middle is like kind of floral ale you expect, but that the end of it is like a weird total kind of mind f.
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Yeah, it kind of makes my tongue numb.
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That's what you're saying earlier exactly.
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Yeah, yeah, getting on your whole tongue the other one is like got mint in it.
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I think it's mint in something.
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Mm-hmm.
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And that one is really numbing because of the mint on your tongue.
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But yeah, no, these it's a good beer, um anyways.
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Uh, pat, before we started you were saying you were talking about this movie you've been hearing a lot about, called Warfare.
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Yeah, yeah, we started.
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You're saying you're talking about this movie you've been hearing a lot about called warfare.
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Yeah, and I think we should.
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I think we should review it.
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I've heard a lot of good things about it because, like the guy who came out with, I heard a lot of his friends pushing it like out there, ray mendoza wrote direct the film that's based in the kind of uh, battle Ramadi, like 2007-ish I believe, which would be like post the American Sniper story.
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These guys were the ones that came in, actually after Chris Kyle's team and all that left.
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They came in right after.
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So lots of like the you know, that Task Unit Bruiser group has gotten a lot of recognition.
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They got lots of podcasts, whatever out there.
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Jocko's that, that uh testing and bruiser group has gotten a lot of like recognition.
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They got lots of podcasts, whatever out there, chaco's, people like that.
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And so the.
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I've heard like those guys say like this movie is awesome, you got to go see it, right.
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And then I was like you know, you hook, you help your friends out, you tell people to go see your friends and movies, but then there's been like other you know people like I think, think, uh, the biggest one I saw today that was like, oh, I need to see this and then I was gonna see it either way, but it's like maybe we should do it for a bruising reviews is because, um, it was a critical drinker just came out with the video and he was like, yeah, this is it, and he's critical of everything.
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And he's, yeah, and he like he's, he's kind of to be fair, he was critical of the last movie.
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That what's his name did?
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Is it Alex Garland?
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I can't remember if it's Alex Garland or not, but this is the same guy who made Civil War, which I enjoyed Civil War.
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I don't remember if you enjoyed it or not.
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Did we do a bruising review on it or did we just briefly talk about it?
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Is this one where it's just all about the reporters?
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Yeah, it's following the reporters.
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It's not about the reporters.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But if I had known that going in I've been happier versus like I.
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Just I thought it was going to be war, War.
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All the time and then it was just like, oh, the journalists are the heroes of the day and I'm like thanks for, yeah, sponsored this film, bro.
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Like literally, he like did he really?
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I'm pretty sure this is one of the ones.
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He was like, yeah, let's make this one.
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It's because, like, the press is the press is good for you, interesting, whatever.
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So anyways, kind of like my little side hair brained dude, I liked I liked civil war, because there was like that whole point where they could have just made the gun tubers like the boogaloo boys.
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They could have just been like, yeah, let's just show them getting clapped.
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And then the boogaloo boys won.
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Dude, the boogaloo boys won their little skirmish and I was like oof that I wonder how that went over with like advisors or whatever.
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You know what I mean.
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Um, but uh, anyways, yeah.
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So this is uh, apparently by him as well.
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Is it Alex Garland?
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I think it's Alex Garland, yep.
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So I'm looking forward to seeing it and I've only heard good things from friends who are not huge movie people that went and saw it, and also from people who are very critical cinephiles and really enjoyed it.
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So I think it's probably going to be a home run, which is good.
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We kind of enjoyed it.
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So I think it's probably going to be a home run, which is good.
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We kind of need it.
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We need another non-cringy, non-propaganda, just good storytelling war movie, and I also watched the cast of the movie breaking down a scene in it.
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And I think that really also sold me on seeing it, because the dudes that were in the cast seemed very I don't know.
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They seemed almost like stressed, still, oh yeah, like they almost seemed traumatized from like doing this movie.
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Like doing this movie because I think I mean they did the workout.
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You know, they did essentially the full uh, um, black hawk down routine of like training every day together and doing the seal training and getting into the mindset of communications and stuff, and um, they did a lot of their own stunts because they were like no, like we can do this now because we, we did the training.
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Like it's not like it is not like they're doing crazy stunts where they're like no, we can do this now Because we did the training.
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It's not like they're doing crazy stunts where they're jumping down mountains or something.
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But where they're just like all right, we're going to have a grenade, come in the room, you're going to roll off the table and kick it over, so that way it covers you from shrapnel.
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And Alex Garland, the director, was like yeah, this is a nightmare, because these guys all wanted to.
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Just they never wanted to step off set because they wanted to stay in character and I was afraid they were just going to smash their arms you know like rolling off of a table onto a stone floor or something and then the other co-director, co-writer ray mendoza.
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He was actually.
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He was the seal that the story's based.
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Yeah, he was there, so I think that helps like and it's apparently, as far as I can tell, true story.
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But you know what?
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They got me with Operation Red Wing.
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They got me with Lone Survivor.
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Oh yeah.
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So who knows what true stories are?
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Yeah, Did you not hear that Lone Survivor is almost entirely fabricated?
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Yeah, lots of pieces.
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What you're saying is, back in the day, when you first saw it, you're like this is legit.
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And then now you're.
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Now, I believe I believed it was legit until like six months ago when marcus latrelle went on the podcast and just like was like he kind of just wanted to tear it down.
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He's like no, that's true.
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Like I pretty much just said what they were telling me to say, based off of what happened on the operation because they wanted to make a film in a book and like use it as a media piece, right, I was just like oh my gosh what.
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And then like pretty much went off without like no real coverage, like no one really flipped out about it.
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I was like dude for the last.
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Like 10, 15 years, people have been joining the military based off of that story.
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I don't know, maybe sad yeah it was definitely one of those ones where there was a lot of extra um, well, I mean, basically they took like it happened, but then it kind of didn't, though.
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What I mean is like the people who died died, like the people who died died, and like the like things have, like the, the operators who died, the rescue that came in to get them, like all that happened, but then like all the like Hollywood details of it really didn't like play out that way, like yeah, and so it was.
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It would have been a fairly tragic, a fairly tragic, boring movie of the version of you know, like yeah, he escaped, his friends died were they all together the whole time fighting it out or not?
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who we?
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don't know.
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Yeah, then you know, was in a village for a couple days till he got rescued I think he was still there for like it was actually like six months oh, and that time he was there.
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Yeah, he had like a long recovery and then you know, with um, and then, yeah, like you know, the helicopters came in to rescue it, like to find him maybe, but then they did get shot down, they all you know pretty much all died and they did all die, but like that happened, but the yeah, the all, the most the fighting and everything, and that's you know pretty well uh stories.
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And have you have you seen, have you watched the um uh footage from the other fighters point of view?
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I didn't know.
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There was footage from the taliban yeah that were there during operational.
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Yeah, oh, operation, right, yeah it's really it's pretty rough.
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You just hear like you don't see any of the guys, but you can hear them like yelling to it.
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You can hear the the guys yelling to each other, the seals like yelling to each other, crying out for each other, and then like less voice.
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It like really you can just tell it's not going well over there, it's not like that opening scene where they just start roasting me and then like, because then there is.
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Then there's pictures the Taliban had of like of their gear, of a tattoo that Dietz had, like that's what I confirmed they had like all that stuff.
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But they put all that stuff.
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So there are some videos out there of like Red Wings and it's like classic, like full shaky cam taliban.
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Yeah, crappy footage but that's crazy.
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But the the most like disturbing part of that is listening to them like yell for each other and they were like they were pretty young.
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They're like boys, you know.
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I mean like they were men but like they weren't.
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You know it's weird now that, like you know, I mean they were as far as they're pretty much in their early 20s, right like I think yeah, I think it will.
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I think marcus and axe were like approaching approaching 30, but d danny deets was real young.
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Yeah, uh, I remember that.
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But um, anyways, all I said um warfare sounds exciting.
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It's based on a true story.
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If the you know, we'll see if the story's true.
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But that's unfortunately what happens when you cry a wolf it always casts a shadow of a doubt on stuff.
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So we'll see.
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But all I said, I'm excited, I kind of want to go see it.
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Everyone's saying to go see it and go see it in movie theaters, not at home, because it's sound designed for cinema and so I kind of I really want to do that.
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I imagine it's going to be a lot like a top gun right where it's you know incredibly explosive echoing sound, for you know 24 speakers yeah, I think it'll be a good one.
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So, yeah, I think, yeah, well, I want to catch it in theaters before it's gone and we talk about it on here.
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I feel like it's those movies it might be a movie that's like the types of movies I like that haven't been coming out for a long time.
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Whatever has been coming out, I'm not really sure what to call it genre wise, genre suck it's just like direct to streaming, I guess like you know like designed for direct to streaming stuff, you know so much of what I've heard that's come out is just like trash, dude, it's just like it's forgettable, mindless, like garbage.
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Um, and I feel bad saying that because I know a lot of people are putting you know effort into these things, but that's just what I'm hearing.
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I mean, I'm not even spending money to go see any of this stuff really anymore, right, and it is just crazy to me, like when I see these reviewers that you know have their whole career based on movies, and like it's just one after another after another of them just being like dude, it's just slop.
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Like they're literally making this movie, giving it a theater release, but the whole movie is designed to be just saturday afternoon netflix background stream you know and like that.
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That makes me so sad, because it just makes you think like there's nothing original in it, you know, and people are just sleepwalking through their performances I think that's where cgi has become the the big crutch of like yeah, part of it being like uh, what did I watch the other day?
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I think I watch heat you know and like and just like, just like being like watching one watching like a cars crash together, whatever being like that costs a lot of money.
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That costs a lot of money, you know, like every time versus like now, like I'm so watching val kilmer do the most perfect reload mag changing, yeah, yeah, and so, like just watching all that stuff, go it like, basically the.
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What I was thinking was you, you don't need a lot of money to be creative, but when you have these big budget films, really big budget, and a lot's on the line for them and they're not planning on it being a stinker, you have more skin in the game, you have a bigger.
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Hey guys, we only get one shot at this building coming.
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This building's going to come down.
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You got to make it happen.
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Say your line, look at the camera, the level of professionalism and dedication versus like, we'll fix it in post.
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I saw a clip from a Marvel movie where they AI'd her voice, they AI'd her mouth.
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I think it was on Corridor Crew.
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They didn't even need to cut back to her for the scene.
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They could have just had her speaking.
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Oh, and I know, you know, and it's like they ai'd her mouth.
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Talking was like what the heck?
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Like why even bother?
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Why even bother?
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What was that?
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That was like that.
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So that kind of like mentality is just like well, that's why you're also gonna, so you're, you're going to get smaller budgets.
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Studios would be less risky.
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Um, there's less, less at stake, you know, and so then it's like then the creativity like yeah, demand for it goes out the window.
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I think I like in some ways have you heard about the electric state?
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it was a movie that just came out on netflix that the uh brothers, uh, russo brothers that did all the avengers movies they uh, were trying to make, essentially the next big, oh, the chris pratt one, yeah, franchise.
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Chris pratt and millie bobby brown yeah, oh dude, and it just stunk like I didn't watch it but it like it made no money rotten tomatoes cost 320 million dollars that's yeah, yeah, so, yeah, yeah, like to that point, like the.
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That's where is there?
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Are these huge?
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There are these huge ones where they are just throwing tons of money at it and they're like dude, like I gotta imagine a hundred million of that was funding the funko pops line and all the other, like merchandise that was supposed to make this like something that everyone wanted to be a part of yeah, yeah, the rotten tomatoes score on it was 15 even on like audience and critics, or what um, let's see, I haven't clicked on yet, but but I mean, that's brutal dude.
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It's hard to get like actually under 50%, like it's pretty hard to get that bad.
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Yeah, it's bad man, and so I do think you have to have a healthy pairing of it.
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It's not just because you, like, are throwing hundreds of millions at it, and it's also not just because you have like the heart behind it, cause you do have.
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You have the Napoleon Dynamites, the $30,000 budget and, wow, that really worked, you know.
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But then also I'm thinking to like the kind of the star Wars, lord of the Rings, like these were cost a ton of money, but the directors themselves, even at that level of money they're getting, they're getting, they still have to like beg, borrow and steal, scrounge for it, like really work for it, go on set for, like you know, freeze their nuts off.
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Like, freeze camera crews, stop, delay stuff.
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What's crazy.
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When you like, look at lord of the rings and like what the lord of the rings would cost today to do all three movies and how much they made back versus what electric state costs, you know what I mean.
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Or like, or like some of these other ones that are just like and people are like oh well, it's, it's cheaper to do cgi armies and it's like well, dude, yeah, the original-in painted actor army duplicated over and over Right Size-wise.
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It wasn't a fake, it wasn't just slop, it wasn't two fake guys that they then created into 10,000 things.