The Mick & Pat Show - Horror Films, Faith, and Fiery Debates

0:02 How many of the true brewing beers did you guys go through there's? quite a few. Those are all ones we've tried. Well, those are the ones we've tried together. I have several more that. I've ventured on my own Is that eight, probably. Those have all been done on the show Nice. I like how they're all demonic. What? No, dude, they're not demonic. Yeah, they are. They're darker. Not a big symbol guy huh. Chapel of ghouls. That's not demonic. You think that's evil? That witch coming out of the water, siren, the siren, and we're rolling, we're in it. That doesn't make it demonic, that just makes it evil.

0:43 They're all evil Gothi. The only one that's not, I think, the only one that I'm like Blood Axe is that evil. I think it's pushing evil, but I like that golden sword one. What's that one? I can't see it from here. Skull Seeker. Yeah, that's pretty brutal. Is the sword going through the skull? Yeah, never mind. And there's a sword going through the skull. Yeah, never mind, they're all Dude. The Nazareth is not demonic. That's just like a wasteland traveler, that's true, you mean the yeah, but he's like the gas mask guy. Yeah. The post-apocalyptic gas mask? Are you the kind of guy that thinks that horror movies are not demonic? What do you mean like not demonic? There are definitely horror movies that are like around demons horror movies are demonic I mean, I've never felt possessed or anything by one, but I do.

1:34 I do enjoy horror movies a lot yeah, I I think they're cool too. I just don't watch them anymore because they scare you, because they're demonic yeah, I, I, I too have. The only reason I watch horror movies is for the show. I do it for the kids, sure, but um, I don't, uh, I don't engage them because I agree that I think they now, I think occasionally not that big a deal and certain ones they're just bad for your soul, but I'll do it for the kids here on the show. You know I'm saying sure I get what you guys are saying. I guess I've just never felt that way when it comes to horror movies. I feel that way more when it comes to like brutal true stories that are like just I feel awfully like jaded and nihilistic about like a hotel Rwanda.

2:24 I honestly don't think that one is that, no, but I definitely think like there's a, there's like a vein of films that I feel like are just purely glorifying the like consume everything, give nothing and accept you die alone in a tub. Sure, you know what I mean. Mm-hmm, I almost would say this I feel grosser watching most like autobiographies than I do horror movies. All right, Because I also. I just Because they get into the gross detail of these people. Well, I filter out horror movies that I think are just like if a horror movie, if a horror movie's purpose is purely like shock factor, body horror, gore sure it doesn't one, it doesn't scare me, it just is like unsettling and I'm not interested in it.

3:16 But like horror movies that are legit, like metaphorical or even like based in truth, like that, I think, is like I think, it's exploring a deeper, I think. Yeah, it's like a more man yeah, it's a more human like a thing for me, and I guess it's also one of those things like I remember being a kid and having nightmares, right, and I just had terrible, terrible nightmares, terrible night terrors. I couldn't watch horror movies as a kid because I was just like I wouldn't sleep. I couldn't handle the fear and the anxiety. I just remember someone telling me, I can't remember who, but they're like oh, you're in, you're in total control in your dreams, like you can. The things in your dreams are only scary because you give them the power to be scary and like you can have authority over that stuff.

4:01 And I was like, okay, I'll try that and sure enough, that's like 100, true? Um, if you can develop the uh, like actual, I would say like habit of being self-realizing your dreams, right. Same thing, I think, applies to like truly like the most darkest evil, like which is like spiritual warfare, right, and I think I truly believe spiritual warfare is a hundred percent real. I truly believe I have seen, you know, evil, twisted things that I wouldn't, I don't even know like. The term spirit is right, because I truly view like spirit as like a human soul that goes on to an afterlife.

4:44 Right, like things that are like, have no purpose or have no place, being on the same plane of existence. It's like supernatural, I would say yeah, I would say like I'd say ghouls. I'd say I'd seen some fucking ghouls in my day. All right, Some, some, some demons, scooby-doo term I think I've heard all week. Well, because you say demons and immediately the connotation's religion, right, which all three of us are very devout Christians, right. But I think if you describe it in like I would say I don't necessarily believe in quote-unquote, well, I shouldn't say that I do believe in ghosts. I do believe that there's a very thin narrow margin for ghosts to occupy in, and I believe that's contextualized in scripture.

5:33 Right, it's the, it's the ritualistic summoning and calling upon, just like um Saul does when calling. Solomon. Yeah, but I don't believe in like a soul that isn't somewhere else, that is just roaming earth, but I do believe in like malicious and also benevolent supernatural beings that will at times occupy like our material plane and I, whether that, whether you want to be scripturally based on it, say like demons and quote, unquote devils, depends on you know, if you discern like there's only one devil and then there's a bunch of demons, right, there's a lot of variation of definitions here.

6:23 And then of course, angels or other celestial creatures, right, other celestial beings like, um, you know, angels is grouping, of course, a ton of like the seraphim the cherubims, stuff like that right, it's so. It's like one of those things, like I believe in all of those and I believe I've seen examples of each to a degree more so that darkness evil and I've also believed like it is through my awareness of like faith and like how those things are, like what the rules are around those things, is why I feel like I don't fear them or and I feel comfortable watching things about that, like I don't watch it out of like the oh, this isn't real, this is just fun.

7:12 Or out of the oh, man, if, maybe we should summon a demon to test it. Like none of that stuff, right, but it is out of like, that thing of like perhaps like I've heard it phrased by a more spiritually wise man than I, but he phrased he's like there's a degree of like. Do you watch other people's? You might watch it like a movie about people hunting because it helps you relive the hunt. Or you watch like a movie that's an overlapping experience because it helps you process or relive that. I genuinely think like demonic horror and stuff like that. There's a degree of that that I find almost like not comforting but just maybe cathartic and like yeah, dude, that's real and that happens and like that provides validity to.

7:57 I feel like some, my experience is the experience of others. Maybe you view it through a different lens than just someone sitting there who wants to be scared, like like people who just love the scare, that sort of thing, sure I do enjoy. I do enjoy the feeling of like, I like, okay, they, they, they nailed it. I believe this is real and there is a there is an excitement to that, but I it's been forever since I've been scared you know, or I settled, by no means would I say that there's like there's a lot of horror movies that are like good films, sure right like they're well made, they're well written, like not taking that away from it all, but uh, I like look at it like when you do things you're opening, you're opening spiritual doors.

8:39 Yeah, right, yeah, that's like. And to say like all right, well, if you're in control, then you can do it. That's like all right, well, if you're in control, then you can do it. That's like saying like I can smoke crack because I'm in control. You know, like I'm just going to try it because I know that after I'm in control, like I got this crack. Okay, I mean, I'm not even going to lie, I'm not even going to disagree with, not even gonna disagree with you. Sometimes, when I'm like like there's this movie that came out called uh, uh, what was it just recently, I can't remember. Um haunt, though I don't see it demonic haunt is, like, I think, schlocky entertainment like I do think there's a lot of horror movies I enjoy because they're just like very schlocky, entertaining, like classic run for your life from a serial killer to dean's point, he's just.

9:30 He was using the, the umbrella term that we would use, like when you're engaging in putting, letting the portals of your soul, which are your eyeballs, engage in naughtiness and or destructive things, demonic in that of like horror movies. It's just meaning it's like, yeah, you could be like, yeah, the exorcist, demonic, haunt, slasher, whatever, but like sure to your point being, if I'm assuming right, was like overarching, like this is just a a thing you got to be careful about putting into your soul. Yeah, yeah you're opening. You're opening spiritual doors and in the same way I would say, like pornography is the same that was well, that would be. My other is like I've never felt guilt watching a horror movie and I've never felt shame or something from it.

10:15 I have left like asking questions or perplexed, but I still avert my eyes from any kind of nudity and I out, I go out of my way to not watch like films that are heavy in like sexual content, right, just because I do feel like that is opening the door to allow myself to be like spiritually tempted to watch pornography or something like that, right. But like, if I watch a horror movie, I feel no temptation to engage in any thing other than a thought experiment of you know what does God's word say about that you know X, y, z thing? Or, honestly, like even for a lot of other horror ones, it's just more of like I see them as like creative what's the term?

11:02 I guess I just see them as like a creative expression that is like borderline enjoyable. Creative what's the term? I guess I just see him as a creative expression that is borderline enjoyable. Some people would say that at a good old classic porn film. No, no, you're right, I'm not denying that I'm not going to deny that, king Dong. No, no, that's a good point. We watch Portrait of God. Um, bro dude, uh, no, no, that's a good point. Um, but I let me. Yeah, we watch portrait of god. Yeah, and that was. That was a scary short film. It was a scary short, but I don't see that as like yeah, uh, uh, evil thing to like open and like can take, take part, and I see that as like a, as like a appreciation of like wow, this is a very like, this is a very well done film with a very eerie point to it that I am not gonna like invest anything, I'm not gonna be like wow, actually, yeah, god is an evil, malicious creature, but I see it and I'm like, damn, that was like really well done, like that, the concept was very well executed yeah, and I think that one.

12:08 What's demonic is whatever just came out of your dog. That that is. That is a wretched dog fart right now that I'm experiencing. No, dude, that's a dog, but anyways, like some beef liver dog fart. it's like beef liver and duck jerky Last time I almost got executed. Well, because you cracked one of these on a bruiser review before we did the thing. That's true, and if you guys haven't noticed, there's three of us here. Oh yeah, Sorry Dean's here. We got Dean in the house Dean's back. He's our number one guest. It's been a while On attendance. You know it's been a while On attendance you know it's been a while since I've been here. I mean outside of. Did he go by Wayne?

12:48 He did go by Wayne. Outside of Wayne, you're my favorite guest. Wow, Wayne ranks number one, just because Wayne's Wayne bro. Yeah, but also we got Mr Paul. Okay, I mean Paul's cool too. Right, paul's also awesome, but I'm not like lifelong friends with Paul like I've been lifelong friends with this dude. That's true, I hear you, I hear you, I hear you, but the—. This guy just immediately knows what to do when he comes on the pod. He just knows to get in the groove. Yeah, we didn't even say we were starting the show, because welcome to the Mick and Pat Show folks. Little bit of audio for you. We're just having a conversation about some, you know, little porn. Yeah, porn and angels, um, and demons, um.

13:29 I wonder what youtube will do with like what the ai will do for our description as we talk about that. It's like a little like rom, jeremy, like cherub, um, no, but the I think what I was going to say was, in the context of this, like would be, you know, all things in moderation, right, yeah, and then that, just that blanket phrase, and then also like the age of someone, of their ability to deal with it, and so I do think of like engaging the topics and the things, especially that horror movies bring up. Um, I don't think it's good for very for, like, young people to watch them and, to, and to consume like excess amounts of them.

14:16 I don't think you're also appropriate for, like an adult, to consume excess amounts of them. And because we can like you to your point, you're saying I know this is a movie and I can appreciate it for its storytelling, its deeper message and all these things, versus like 12-year-old watching the Exorcist. I don't know. Maybe they can't appreciate it or understand or comprehend what's going on. Same thing as, like some people might say like hey, you're 42, smoke the j, sure, sure, hey, you're 10, what don't smoke the j? you know what I mean, like give me the best or first horror movie you saw best or first dude. I can't even remember the first one because I couldn't finish.

14:56 I would say like quote, like borderline, the first horror movie I ever saw, that I watched the whole way through and I know you're gonna laugh at this, but predator dude predator, predator is like at like third grade predator made me go from like oh yeah, this movie's awesome. It's an action movie to like. It's out there in the woods bro. The first predator predator movie that I saw was actually alien versus predator, which was not that good, but it was still great as a kid. It was awesome as a fifth grader. Yeah, and sure you know I didn't see any horror movies till high school. Pirates of the Caribbean was like 16, 17 at that point. Pirates of the Caribbean, actually, I will say that would scare me.

15:39 That would scare me bad when I was a kid. The zombies. Yeah, would scale to be bad. When I was a kid, okay, when I saw how old the zombies yeah, the, particularly the monkey, the monkey one, all right. So I was, so we did. We watched pirates of the caribbean. Yeah, what, how old I mean I was, oh, six, maybe, yeah, so like I was like sixth grade, fifth grade pretty young. Yeah, now I, we watched that movie. I guess you could say as the first horror movie, because when he sticks his hand into the moonlight, yeah, oh yeah, and that turns into a skeleton, that's the first time you go. This isn't just a disney movie, you know, like this is like I've been used to pocahontas and snow white, you know, and whatever dude, I had nightmares of them coming up out of the tub yep, yep, like because they come out of the water when they climb on the boat.

16:23 yeah, and, and they're just like yeah. And that scene where they just they're at the end when they're ambushing, yeah, and they're just walking as skeletons. Yeah, I mean, because I was fairly young, that might classify as my first horror movie, because also remember when the monkey comes out as a skeleton, as a jump scare, yeah, that got me so bad and I watched this with my parents and I did. You know, I might have been a sixth grader maybe it's a little too old for this I was like fifth or sixth grade, but I was like dad, like I was worked up. He laid in bed with me. Oh yeah, yeah for sure. Also, I had a curious george stuffed animal. Oh, yeah, it was like know, it was over on the wall.

17:04 Curious George is tainted now. Well, my dad couldn't resist the opportunity. No way, we're like say, and we're talking and. I'm all calmed down and then he grabs the monkey and out of the corner of my eye he goes and I lost my mind, dude, and I mean he got me so bad. He thought it was hilarious. Well, he did for about half a second till you realize like, oh, like that was funny for an adult and I feel bad for what, like I was put in the moment, vinny. so, personally care being, I'm gonna go with first horror movie that came out in 2003 actually, so if you saw it in theaters you were like third grade yeah, okay, okay. So I wasn't, yeah, because I was young enough that my dad laid down on my bunk bed with me, kind of like you know, but then he got me with the monkey.

17:52 Oh, I remember that to this day. That's funny. And then it wasn't until high school that I started, you know, like mostly watching those movies so that you could hopefully like hold, hold a girl's hand or like you know yeah we'd get together as a group of all of us high schoolers, and you know scare them. I think the first one I actually saw like I I saw jaws way too young. I don't remember it at all. I think I saw it like before I saw as my brain was still at the age of development where it could like black, block things out. Yeah, so like my mom, because my mom said that I the age of development where it could like black, block things out. Yeah, so like my mom, cause my mom said that I was terrified of taking a bath or swimming in the pool. Afterwards I have no recollection of any experience of being afraid to get in the tub.

18:33 That's how you know you did something wrong. You're like damn it Like. Do you like like? my mom and she swears like I was scared as I'm like dude I. I can remember the first time I watched that movie with my grandfather in sixth grade when we rented it. But the real first horror movie I think that I saw was with my grandfather and he was like let's rent the birds. Oh yeah, I watched that with my great grandfather. Got me dude, dude. I remember I was watching it. It's a black and white movie. You're like classic, boring black and white movie. Then a jump cuts to the dude with his eyes pulled out and the birds pecking in his skull. You were like, oh dude, the image of that guy's eyeless face with birds eating his like brains was that hitchcock.

19:19 Yeah, in in like black and white is so seared into my brain like I can see it clear as day. Still, I don't think I've seen that movie actually dude it was a decent movie, yeah, and what's crazy about it is it was like one of the first apocalyptic movies. If I told you this, I'd be like here's the story and it's in black and white, old-timey movie. It switches to color at one point, yep, yep, but like just to be like old movie. You know, here's the deal. What's it called the birds. It was just like listen blackbirds, just like come to a town and like attack people. You'd be like not scary 1963. Yeah, you'd like not scary, but it was.

20:01 It was scary. It scared people. I remember, I remember I watched it with my great-grandfather and my mom. It freaked me out, got me pretty scared. Yeah, and if we're going with other uh, other scary, like because of age, I did my mom which funny is my mom, like conservative christian, protected me from a lot of things, um, but what's funny is she just didn't realize. She sat me down by myself and I watched jurassic park when I was five see I, I was same age. Yeah, no horror, no fear at all saw, just pure amazement, pure wonder. Yeah, I was like, oh, dinosaurs are cool, like I, people screaming as they're eating. I'm like that's fine, yeah, I I was.

20:41 I wasn't ready for that. They're hungry, it's okay. I wasn't ready for the for the real people being eaten when I'm supposed to be watching barney you know um for real I remember, like it, it was within that like two hour runtime of that movie. Whatever its runtime is, I went from being a I love construction trucks, I love twack. Toes To like these are dumb. Give me dinosaurs, give me dinosaurs, give me dinosaurs and army men. So dude, I literally just entertain myself with my dinosaurs eating army men. For decades. Yeah, yeah, four to seven decades, we don't know yet it's still going, actually.

21:22 I'm still entertaining myself with that. Actually, it's just, I do it with friends now, and every friday night it's called dungeons and dragons. But like, um, no, dude, I love those movies. I will say all right to your point, though, dean, my favorite horror movie, those are like the first ones I can roll my favorite one, though, is a very, it's a very dark movie it's, but it is very much on the spectrum of like spiritual warfare reality, um, and I'd say I'd say it's tied for two. There's one that's called where evil works. That is like a. They're both foreign actually.

22:02 Uh, this one is like a out of mexico, I believe, or argentina, and it's really weird. It's not like overly stated, but there is some kind of transmitted like epidemic of you know, a demon. Like you can, you can literally contract some kind of demon possession and there are certain people that are older now that remember the ways of how to get rid of them, and no one lives in the cities anymore. Everyone lives like out in like small, more rural village and communities and it's like there's immediately no like debate of like what is going on. They just find this dude really like fat and bulbous and infected, like it's like straight out of like the old testament, and they're like oh, he's, he, he's one of them and like they.

22:52 The word they use is weird like it's, it's like the spanish word for like consumer. Yeah, no, seriously, yeah, and like and like. They're like. There's a special way you have to do it, because if you don't do it the right way, the demon gets to essentially continually like possess and move from host to host throughout, like this community, right, um, and it was just unreal how well done it was and it's like clearly a small budget. But you watch it and you're like, yeah, that could, that could be for for real, like that in the future of people who are like not spiritually prepared, like you have no idea, like what the end of the world is going to be like, you know in the end times, you know according to revelation, right, and it was just like a very sobering take on like and there's some, there's some pretty crazy stuff, uh.

23:38 And then the other one is about this cop who's undercover as a priest and he's investigating a like romanian monastery where a ton of women have been like disappearing around in the in the area, and, uh, I don't want to spoil that one, but it was really good too what's the name of that one? I gotta look it up, uh, but it was that one was like all like. It was constantly on the knife edge of like. Is this movie going to confirm supernatural? Occultism of possessions, or is this a stunt and this priesthood is actually kidnapping and murdering women? Kind of like that first season of True Detective where you're like is this happening or not, I don't know, but either way it's bad, I don't know, but either way it's bad.

24:29 I don't think that I saw any quality horror movies as a kid because they were always like. Actually, I saw one and I will say this is a pretty good movie, but there's a collection of the first One of them that I think was the first one I saw was a collection of a few of them that I think were amongst the first that I saw. One Jeepers, creepers, oh, classic, yeah, two of them that I think were amongst the first that I saw one jeepers, creepers, oh classic, yeah. Two, so entertaining, uh, not even more of like a horror slash, just like odd movie. But freddy versus jason, oh yeah, that's kind of almost a comedy now, yeah, yep. And then, uh, the texas chainsaw massacre. Those were like the first three that I saw g1. Yes, I, I. I had to wait until like two years ago before I had the courage to watch that.

25:09 I watched it when I was five. That's brutal dude, and that's maybe why I actually hate it, and you were probably fucked up. I watched that like two years ago during the day, I was like man, this movie is like all over the place and doesn't seem to be very coherent. The sound design is really off. It was definitely made for like $1,000, $10,000, right. But you see that and I can see very clearly like you watch that and you have no idea how to make sense of it, and you're just like old houses in rural parts of wherever, never going. In them, yeah, yeah, in them, yeah, yeah. Well, and then the. The next one was like, uh, definitely like more quality, but still as strange, right, like, because there's like you have jeepers, creepers and you have fray versus jason, which you can like look at those and be like these are ridiculous, right, but, like as a kid, there's some like frightening aspects to it jeepers, creepers.

26:03 Couldn't finish it turned it off as a kid. There's some like frightening aspects to it Jeepers. Creepers couldn't finish, it Turned it off as a kid Dude. I remember like the truck honking as he's chasing them on the road. Yeah. I turned it off because I was like I did a lot of road trips with my mom and I was legit so scared seeing that I was like, oh my God, someone could drive us off the road on a road trip. And I remember turning it off at like and I think I actually saw the second one before I saw the first one with the high schoolers, yeah, on the bus, and what I remember is driving the blockbuster with my dad in his like old ford yeah, to probably go get another horror movie. Yeah, and like, just I'm in like this, like this spider-man costume that I had for my birthday when I was like four, and I'm just all I can think of is I'm just about to get ripped through the roof of this car, like claws are gonna come down, just grab me by the shoulders and just tear me out like all the high schoolers on that bus.

26:53 That's terrifying. Yeah, no bueno, yeah you don't have a you don't have a favorite one that you ever saw where you were just like that was an objectively good movie honestly that when I, when I think of a horror movie that I'm like, oh, this was like a, a good movie that I like, enjoyed, enjoyed watching. They're actually more comedy than they were horror. It was like, uh, like the first, like they're not even horror movies, they're like they're mockeries, like the scary movie, like tucker and dale versus evil you ever see that? uh-huh, that is a great movie, it is a good one. Tucker and Dale versus evil you ever see that? Uh-huh, that is a great movie, it is a good one. Tucker and Dale versus evil is like I think. Maybe that movie will get rid of anyone's fear of horror movies. Yeah, that's, that's why I liked those kinds of movies. It's like you like watch these horrific movies and then you watch a comedy of them and it like really lightens the mood, you know I'm gonna save this.

27:42 I have a good story about scary story. I mean not scary stories, a scary movie and stuff. Uh, because that, to your point, that's 100 something I had had as a kid. Pat, where were you gonna say four favorite yeah, favorite horror movie? I made you watch a couple good ones. We've watched a couple stinkers I, I'm gonna go with the Saw series. I just liked it, the series as a whole. I mean like the idea of it. Yeah it's maybe one of the best series. Like it fell apart. I will be honest, I loved the first movie, Saw 18, you know. The first movie I thought was great. Yeah, everyone. After that I was like these fucking suck. Well, because these might have been the first ones, I really sat down and just watched like I was like a senior in high school, like whatever like, and so it was like the, especially the first one particularly first one's great yeah, so the rest, like, probably won't lump the series together as much, as just like there was something about the, uh, the idea of the movie, that and I haven't even watched it again since I was 17 or whatever, but like I.

28:43 I just remember watching it and being like to your point about, maybe, why you the parts of horror movies you like, but just being like, oh, this is, yes, this was, this was gross. People died, people who shouldn't have died maybe died, or, in Saul's case, they're supposed to die. Like they should be dead. He's giving them a second chance, maybe if they're, you know, criminal. So, like you're dealing with nuance, not just like straight good and bad, and you're dealing with, um, personal choice, personal decisions, like all these things were like I was old enough to comprehend what the story was telling me, and not just like, oh, these are scary things happening over and over again.

29:23 Yeah, and so the like. I think that that one you know, the, that's probably the one that's maybe liked the most stuck with me the most. Then again, never watched it again after. It's conceptually one of the better like series ever made. It was just so poorly executed I mean, I think the first movie does it perfectly you know, the first movie is like everyone has the opportunity. No one has cheated out of the opportunity to survive, and the people who do survive are the ones who play by the rules to survive Right, and the people who die are the ones who can't like bring themselves to, like you know, overcome whatever that crux is, yep. Every movie after that, though, no one is allowed to live Like.

30:04 If you watch the other ones, you're like oh, these are all designed so they so the people die. There's just no way out. And the Saw purists? I've talked to some of these people who are like you know, they're obsessed, they know every single detail, they know the set designers for each trap, and they're like no, no, no See, that went too far with the traps. And jigsaw punishes her in saw five. I'm like I ain't got the time, yeah like I'm watching this purely to see if they can escape or not, and and that too, being that I don't like demonic horror movies, I don't like them I don't want to mess with those, I'm not into them. And so the one like this one in this case was like, yes, dealing with evil, but we're not in that, like supernatural space. And so the one like this one in this case was like, yes, dealing with evil, but we're not, in that, like Supernatural space.

30:47 And so I could, like I could, I could jive With it. I'm more unsettled and afraid of that. Like I know the name To say to make demons Fear and shudder, there's no. Yeah, no, no, I'm just saying like, there's just like there's nothing you can do about truly evil humans like and maybe I feel differently because I've seen, I've looked in the eyes of truly like chemically imbalanced, absolute, like evil people and I've come to grips of like, okay, I should be scared of this person. Like the only thing keeping me alive right now from this person is a steel door with locks and like a like very shatter resistant reinforced window.

31:34 The other stuff, like anytime I felt like that presence of you know evil, like demons or whatnot. I have felt that I can take refuge in christ and my faith, and I've heard that also repeatedly, over and over and over again from so many other people who've encountered that stuff. Now, I think the opposite might be true for non-believers right. The concept of like demons being real and having no authority or control over them, being at their whim, right, which is what we always see in the plot of horror movies. Right, I think that's why paranormal activity exactly the most frightening series, the victims of paranormal activity are never believers who can just call them the name of jesus.

32:16 They're always like people who have are pretty much like they have no hope from the get-go, because they have no toast, or like just accept death. At that point, yeah, a brutal this thing's been stalking you since you were seven and, yeah, it's over baby um. But like I, I'm genuinely I'm genuinely more disturbed by the concept of, like, a truly deranged individual making their whole life revolve around stalking me and my wife. I think that's more horrifying to me. I think that's why texas chainsaw massacre was so frightening to me, because I'm like span, literally cut people's faces off and wore them and he was real.

32:56 And he was real like leather. Yeah, that did. That was the scariest part he was just one of those deranged people in texas, like living in the middle of nowhere, that just like preyed on people to happen to come past him. You know like yep, there was a my friend when she was growing up. Her friend had a like barney or barbie dvd. Like case was the barbie or barney dvd. Open it up. The dvd picture on it was whatever barney pop it in porn. Texas chainsaw massacre that's a weird, weird thing to burn onto the dvd. It was just some sort of like someone burned it, or it was a chinese copy, just or just who knows?

33:42 yeah, but they, I think they got a lot of money in a settlement. No way you sit your kid down. Put in Barney. Put in Barney, leave him Come back in there in leather faces, wearing people's faces. For a four-year-old and yeah, they got a big settlement from it From that, you know. Honestly, that's probably like you're in a factory. That's like making these DVDs and some guy's like. I'm about to mess some stuff up. Exactly, I'm about to do some damage, that's why I think they had grounds for it. It's like somebody did this, you know, because you walk back in and as a parent that'd be horrifying, because I do put a lot of effort into not letting my kids see any of this stuff.

34:30 And back to my what I said before like one needs to be in moderation. Two, you got to be of an age to handle it. Like yeah, imagining my like kids, like seeing or engaging in any of these things, like nope, and especially because, and like they are so multiple and like kids are also just more open to like the spiritual realm I think you know I like and I think, just in the same way that they're sponges for uh, they're sponges for everything, including that that evil stuff is just like. I gotta keep that away. Like I had a, I had a, uh dated a girl in high school who she like she watched so much law and order, svu, oh my gosh and so that shit will fuck you up and so many swear and so many horror movies like all the time.

35:23 Guess what she constantly was dealing with? Extreme anxiety, really, and fear all the time and I'm like I wonder why yeah, maybe it's because all you do is watch movies about, or movies about scary stuff, and then a tv show about girls being raped, movies that tell you you're gonna die exactly and like it's just like it was like, exactly. You're going to die and we're not going to catch them until way after the film. This is not healthy for you. This is not good for you. And then, chances are, your family is going to die too, because somebody else is going to find them. Exactly. I think that all that stuff has just got to be, do you guys? make an exception for horror movies that end with the good guys winning.

36:11 You all that stuff has just got to be. Do you guys make an exception for horror movies that end with the good guys winning? Uh, you know what it made me. Let's talk about saw made me think of this one movie called um, uh, like untraceable or something. Oh, and it was like very saw-esque where, like, a guy is like I think it's on Traceable, I could be wrong. But, this guy's killing people in very Saw-like ways and he's doing it on like live stream. Yes. And the FBI is trying to catch him. Yep, yeah. And then, man, one of the craziest ones was the main character. This FBI agent, her partner, gets captured and he's in a giant tank of water and they mix it with some sort of compound that basically turns into battery acid.

37:01 Yeah, turns it from water to hydrochloric acid. Yep, and he's slowly sitting there and Right Turns it from like water to hydrochloric acid, yep and uh, these like slowly sitting there and like they just start pumping it in, and by the time they get to him, this guy's like yeah, head and then a skeleton, yeah, and I remember that that was just like I was like oh gosh but they killed the guy In like a not very eventful way. To be honest, it was not a great way. The movie was super far ahead of its time. Though, see, there's something about like just like I guess, like horror movies too where, like I do see in the end that like good prevails you know what I mean Like I do enjoy. There's a special exception for those for me, like, even if they're rather, you know, upsetting or disturbing partway, it's like knowing that, like, in the end there is justice, in the end there is something good that occurs.

37:53 And that's what there is a difference. Yeah, in movies that like can engage in like extreme evil and horror, horrifying things, but like hard thing about like majority of horror movies where it's just like there is no hope, there is no like there is no like like the girl's going to leave the shotgun again Like oh my God. Or even like, and there's just like or that ends so like, and I get it, it's part of the genre. Just end the movie and leave you feeling empty. I do appreciate Stephen King, sort of like horrors, though what? Those are. So I'm sorry, my knee-jerk reaction is just shock, because I feel like those mostly don't end with good endings. Yeah, but they're just funny. I guess they are funny.

38:34 Have you seen the Mist before? Yeah, that's brutal. That's not how it ends in the book. Really. No, I didn't read the book. I didn't read the book. I didn't read the book. No, that's not how it ends the book. I can't remember exactly how it ends, but he doesn't just execute, fucking everybody and not have ammo. You get to the end of that movie and it's like damn that's a brutal one time. To watch an episode of friends yeah, that's what I do after those movies. I always put on something because I'm always watching horror movies with my wife, billie Jean God bless her and my buddy JB. It's just pretty much whenever JB comes over on Tuesday nights, sometimes it's movie night and I throw in a spooky horror film and I love watching it with them because it's the classic.

39:21 They're scared the whole time, they're getting mad at me, they're getting unsettled. Jb's turning me like bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, yeah, and billy jean is like you said, this wasn't gonna be that bad, and I'm like grabbing me and shaking my arm. I look at her and she's like not even looking at the screen, she's like just face down, pillow in front of her, looking like the plot of the movie on like wikipedia. I look at jb. Jb's just like looking at the floor, heads over his eyes, and I'm like the only one still watching at points and then at the end of the movie, without fail every time as soon as the credits were like yeah, it was even that scary, that was dumb, why we watched that, that wasn't even that.

40:02 And I'm just like you guys are dorks. So I think that's also probably why I enjoy it, because it's just like a cathartic rhythm in our group of friends, you know. Yeah, and that's what Mace Windu. She can't even handle a bad episode in CIS, yeah, so if we do anything actually scary, like like the uh, stranger things, stranger things gotta, they're starting to get some scary parts in there, you know, sure, and she just can't. It's like full pale frozen like, like like like I mean like just frozen in fear, like maybe one tear, like just I mean like just can't even, just can't even, and so I've have you guys watch my?

40:48 my wife is similar. Have you watched uh um, uh severance? yeah, I love severance. Billy, jean and jb and I all watch it every tuesday yeah, my wife like after that, like can we, can we watch an episode of, like Brooklyn Nine-Nine For real? That's crazy. I mean, I'll be honest, the latest episode of Severance was pretty spooky, did you see it? I don't know, I'm pretty sure I did, but I don't remember it being that spooky Dude, the freaking guy in the goat costume. Oh, okay, that part was like it was weird, it's pretty unsettling to me. Yeah, initially because you're like.

41:30 You're like what the heck is gonna happen, and then it honestly made me think of like very demonic a black goat yeah, yeah, I don't I don't disagree, that's. If you want to make anything scary, black goat, add some goat horns oh yeah, yeah, makes it feel creepy. It made me, it made me think of like first season true detective oh yeah. Yeah, that's. A lot of people don't know what the that horror is based in first season true detectives and a lot of people have a hard time describing it. Uh, hp, lovecraft is lovecraftian horror. It's all based in the like horror of an old and very powerful entity that is essentially waving its hand and got a cult of dedicated followers.

42:15 That is just beyond the reach of real life right Anytime. I see the goat. I just think of the spirit of Baphomet, which is the classic Baphomet, which is like the classic baphomet yeah, the baphomet no the true detective didn't have a goat in season one, but there was the man in yellow is what it was always referenced right in the spiral wasn't? didn't the first person who died have like some like weird horns and stuff? she had bramble like antlers, like deer antlers and stuff. That's what it was something, something creepy, and hp lovecraft. He looked like a weirdo well, most horror, I think. Like writers are weirdos, yeah, but yeah, he's true, like, yeah, he's like a wild looking.

42:56 Hey this beer. How do we feel about it? Uh, it tastes to me like blueberry yogurt. That's what kept me like really confused. The first like three sips I'm like damn, I'm drinking. I'm drinking a danimals yogurt it. It smells like uh, if, if you left captain crunch in a bowl and then like in the morning the milk. Well, in the morning you had captain crunch in the bowl and then around noon you came and smelled it. They make this because they throw entire pies like into that's not real into the process that's not real. Someone just told you that same thing with their fruity pebbles. They have like a fruity pebble sour and a fruity pebbles IPA. They just like load up boxes of fruity pebbles and toss them in. That's not real. I think I'm warming up to it straight from the brewery.

43:38 They told me that well, yeah, they tell you that that I cannot imagine you can throw fruity pebbles into like beer. Why? wouldn't you? because it's just grain and sugar, some beer, some red five, you're just dude, you're just a hater yeah, I am. I will say I'm on my third sip. I'm not sure yet, but I just wasn't ready I'm like I'm down to the third left. Yeah, I, I just I was open the second one. I was yeah, you should have it. I was having my shiner buck, so I just had a hard shift, that's all I'm just you went. You went from diluted like water beer from beer. Yeah, water, beer. I've like, I've had this before, so I know exactly what to expect this is. This is more beer to me than shiner buck. Shiner buck is very, very water beer.

44:22 Shiner bucks water, yeah, but yogurt, yeah. Yogurt pie well, it's not supposed to taste like yogurt. Very water beer, china box water beer, yogurt pie Well, it's not supposed to taste like yogurt, I think. I think it's supposed to taste like blueberry cobbler, but it's the mix of it. Being a liquid, it's the closest thing my brain can associate. What were those yogurt Gogurts? Yeah, gogurt. Do that again. Do that motion again with your hand, put your mouth on it. How do you? How'd you? What'd you do with the yogurt? like slurping um, it tastes like a gogurt yeah, yeah, hey, by the way, this is what I was gonna say. One the movie that was really good, that I liked. Uh, about the polish undercover cop hellhole, hellhole it's got, it's got.

45:04 Is it a Polish movie? It is. It's got mixed reviews because a lot of people didn't like the ending it's in Polish. I enjoyed the ending. It is in Polish You're just subtitling it out. Hell yeah, I respect that. Helps it be less scary. Just focus on the words down at the bottom. God damn what did you just say. I also think here's one thing that I think is the benefit to foreign movies that, like foreign horror movies, you don't know if they're good or bad actors that's true, you have no content, but, like you know, someone's a good or bad actor in an english horror movie. Anyways, um, did you, did you watch? uh parasite I did.

45:46 I didn't think it was a horror movie, I thought it was kind of boring, just a general movie I did not think it was nearly as good. Uh, our buddy, uh what was his name went on here on the podcast last time he came on I don't know he was just on. Uh, we talked about camp stories, it's not Ty. Yes, he really loved that movie and he overhyped it for me and I was like I don't know. I didn't really love it, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. I didn't even thoroughly enjoy it. Here's what I liked about it as a foreign film. I did not think it was Emmy winning as a foreign Grammy, winning whatever it was. They made the dialogue in it really simple so that it could remain as a like as a Korean film, like with subtitles.

46:33 Sure, the fact that you can have a foreign film that does that well in the U? S is actually pretty impressive. I think that guy's a movie about the train circling the globe in the forever winter was better with Captain America. Is this one of those things where you give me like a winter soldier? No, no, no, no, Okay, all right, so that guy, whatever is, I'm going to look up. Chris Evans. Chris Evans is in this movie, he's the lead in the movie. And, guys, this movie, you guys aren't going to think I'm telling the truth. Every time I see Chris Evans in a movie that's not Captain America, I'm just like. This guy's not Captain America, like he's like. He has to pull out his shield any second Okay.

47:15 Snowpiercer. Snowpiercer by Bong Joon-ho, who also Bong Joon-ho, did the Parasite, and a couple other ones. Guys, snowpiercer, I think it's just a sequel to Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, and I've seen someone make a video and the case for it is unreal. But you watch Snowpiercer the first time and you're like, okay, what the fuck am I watching? Is this? like. What's His Name? Making a really good case for Top Gun just being like a homoerotic film? No, it's not that guy, but it's kind of the same thing, not that guy, but just like same idea yeah.

47:59 I mean, top Gun is a homoerotic film. What are you talking about? I love watching that movie with my homies. Snowpiercer is crazy. It's literally like at the back of the train are the poor, impoverished people in cars, and I don't even know if there's work for them to do. They just have to freaking, occupy themselves all day, living inside train cars, because outside they will freeze instantly to death or something like that is what they're told in the train operates on a nuclear engine and just circles the globe constantly and is using momentum in the orbit of the earth or rotation of the earth, yada, yada, right, it's just like fictional stuff, right.

48:42 But as you move up from the back of the train, each car is progressively better off to do. And then they get to cars that are just like full cars, that are just restaurants, cars that are just completely devoted to aquariums, cars that are just like devoted to like early, comfortable children's education and like some cars are like dedicated to just being like one person's whole house. And you watch it and you're like what the hell, what? There's no way they'd waste a whole train car for like this weird tiny elementary school, for like the five wealthy elementary kids, and you're just like capitalism's dope but yeah, exactly, I think I should like you should be communist you're watching.

49:28 You're like, bro, this is literally like if, like people crawled out of jakarta into, like you know, like boulder, colorado, and like they'd be like there's whole blocks just of restaurants, whole blocks. These could be houses, like you know what I mean like it is one of those things that is just like insane when you're watching it and you but like it's, it's very entertaining. Chris evans is okay in it, but he's not even remotely close to the best part in it. Uh, but it's, it's really good, it's really good, I'm still stuck on the charlie and the chocolate factory thing yeah, that's why you need to watch snow piercer, so that way you understand that it's a sequel to charlie and chocolate factory all right you know that he ends up in the factory right.

50:14 Charlie, yeah, yeah, and Charlie ends up understanding the debauchery of mankind and understands that it's only so long before mankind annihilates itself in a deposed destruction of the environment through climate change. So he uses his wondrous technology to build an infinite engine. He gives out tickets to join the train and the tickets are given out through candy. I'm going to recreate this series of tasks so that the poor people can just continue to dominate. Who knows, were they poor people or were they wealthy people that ended up drawing short sticks and having to ride in the back of the train?

51:02 The final train car is just the four grandparents in the bed. Yeah, I think about that all the time I'm like damn that's gotta be, Honestly. I think, like damn that's got to be Honestly. I think that's pretty cozy looking. Yeah, it's looking pretty good bro. They've got to be staying warm in there. The fact that Grandpa didn't know how to walk. How long had he been in that bed, dude? Like where he had to learn how to walk again. Oh, grandpa Joe, I loved that movie, that original Charlie and Charlie. I always remember that movie was taking place in england. Uh-huh, it did not take place in england, no, yeah, but in my head I'm like, yeah, that's in england. It's in europe. Yeah, vaguely european, vaguely european, just like all the other christmas movies, yeah but what was it just like?

51:44 uh like like chicago, industrial age america, which looks a lot like eng. Yeah, oh, my goodness. Okay the way. There was one more thing I was remembering oh, the scary movie. right, Like a scary movie makes horror things less scary, scary movie series. I was in a cabin in elementary school. We would go up to the this, this guy who owned a restaurant. His name was Old man Trujillo and he owned what was literally called Mission Trujillo, like the tortilla company. You ever know what I mean? Oh, wow, he had a restaurant that was called the Mission Trujillo and it was awesome and he had several cabins up in like Deckers, colorado, and he would just let family friends have them for a weekend or whatever, or even like a week.

52:36 There was times in the summer where we would go up with food and you could drive into like the main, like little kind of tiny town of Decker's to get more groceries if needed. But some of the cabins had zero power and other ones had like power and like water and stuff. But we're up in this cabin and there are. Of course, this is at the time. You know, hey, kiddos there, there was no wifi at the time, right, and there was for sure no damn internet up in the mountains, and so you just get there and you got whatever toys you packed, maybe like your homework or a book or something, and then you have whatever the cabins vhs's were, oh yeah and there was always something so eerie about being in this like, like in someone else's cabin and like this guy has horror in a cabin, exactly, exactly right, because like we're out there, there's no cell phones, there's one landline in this one cabin and but there's not a landline in any of the other ones.

53:33 So, like you kind of know, like there's other people who would come around maybe looking for that phone or need it. Right, if they they got stuck and they got, you know they'd come. There was like literally people who would come and be like hey, can I use your phone Because they're, you know, kayak flipped and got away from them and their car is like two miles up up the road or whatever. Um, anyways, so the feeling I remember of like being in this cabin this was the one with power and it had a couple multiple bedrooms in a like a basement, downstairs level, but its bathroom was an outhouse and the outhouse was that classic like colorado outhouse of like a carpet cup, carpeted covered toilet seat you know what I mean and it's like you just piss into the abyss and like there's just cutouts of magazines just sticking on every inch of the wall or moving itself like it, like it's one.

54:24 It like literally like you close the door and like lizards are running underneath the door into the cabin, or like beetles and I mean into the outhouse or beetles, but uh, it was one of those like things. So I'm in the basement, this cabin, in this bedroom, where there's, like the tv plugged in the one tv right and I'm opening the cupboard to it and I just see all these various vhs tapes right, and there's, of course, the like, family ones that are like marked off and written on and like I have no idea who this is and what these dates are. But then there's the ones that are just like someone bought them, brought them up here, whatever. And my cousin sees one and grabs it and she was much older than me and she's like oh, let's watch this and it was the ring oh no and bro, she, she and her sister, and then my stepsister and my younger stepbrother.

55:17 We were all watching the Ring and while it was playing, yeah, in a cabin in the woods, right, and it does that like weird. Have you guys seen the Ring? Yeah, have you, pat? I don't know if I have but, are you familiar with the concept? I've talked about it enough with my friends when this came out. Yes, so there's the there's the video. Yeah, in the movie that you watch and that's basically in the opening the movie you watch the video and this video curses you. It's a vhs tape that curses the sound of that static. Well, it's not just static, like there's weird sounds in the background, it's all obscure imagery. And then it says seven days, sorry. You get a phone call as soon as the video ends and when you answer the phone there's just a voice on the other line that says seven days.

56:02 And then in seven days you die after watching the VHS. She crawls through the freaking TV. And here's the thing I didn't know was and here's the thing I didn't know was that my uncle or someone I genuinely think it might've been my cousin's boyfriend at the time, but they somehow coordinated like wherever he was in town to call or whatever Cause. The phone rang right after that part happened and everyone was like no, no, no, you answer, no, you, someone answer, somebody answer. And then my cousins because they were older right there, like in like middle school, high school at the time and I was like elementary they were like mick answer, answer the phone, like they were like getting mad, like I was in trouble. I was like I don't want to be in trouble and I remember picking it up dude, I was like hello and the dude on the other line was like Mick.

56:51 I was like yes, seven days it hung up bro. Oh, no, dude and I remember hanging that phone up and I just remember going stalk. No scream, no wailing, just that's it. I'm fucked. I just saw what happened to people. It's over. There's nothing I can do. I should die, I should die, I should fucked. I just saw what happened to people. It's over. There's nothing I can do. I should die, I should die. That scarred me, of course, because I started forgetting about it when we got back away from the cabin. But then I remembered and I was trying to count the days. I'm like, oh shit, it's 10-9. But eventually Get the TVs out of the house.

57:32 Eventually, the scary movie that makes fun of the ring comes out. I think it's scary movie. two the ring and the grudge. Yeah, the ring and the grudge are in the same one that they make fun of. Yeah, because remember the grudge was scary, because it made me afraid to take a shower. Yeah. The grudge has. This scene where you know I'm talking about pat, you don't need me, okay, right, um, but anyways, they, they smack the ring chick with, like a shovel back down the well and that move. That alone, that scene alone, gave me the courage during the uh, uh, during the funeral. Doesn't she come out of it, doesn't she come out the tv because the old woman dies, or something I can't remember it's been so long since I've seen scary movie, one of the funniest things about the movies when uh, when cindy goes, she's, she's like watching, she's like a caretaker of this old woman in this house and there's a scene where the the little asian kid from the grudge is like up at the top of the stairwell oh yeah yeah, oh yeah, it's like Yoshi, yoshi, no care yeah you just say like random Japanese, every job, every like Japanese, and they're like having a full conversation.

58:48 I still get that on my Instagram feed once in a while. I just I just can't hold it together. That's why those movies are great as a kid because you see them. And it was weird, like every horror movie that scared me as a kid was in the next scary movie. Right Scary Movie 3 was signs and signs. that just effed me up and I was like, oh yeah, aliens will come to Earth and aliens will be terrifying. And then I watched Scary Movie 3, and they have like shovels that have shotguns in them and they just like beat the snot out of aliens. They like piss out of their fingers. Yeah, I was like okay, there's nothing to be afraid of it completely diluted, like every bit of fear that came from those movies. Classics Gosh.

59:29 That's wild classics gosh, that's wild. Oh, we might be living in a horror movie these days. You think so, pat. I think so. You know we've had uh, there's wild things going on out there in the world I mean, I'm definitely not. I'm feeling a lot better than I was about under the previous administration I feel, less horrified now than I did then, yeah, there's some crazy stuff right now the uh um. Have you seen, uh, what trump said about uh? Basically gonna take over gaza. You see, that one I don't know the legitimacy of what he's, what he's saying, because I'll say I did. I saw a lot of people had making headlines about, and then I saw Netanyahu speaking about support to secure Gaza, but not like US owning Gaza, maybe like US assisted occupation, I'm not entirely sure.

1:00:22 Just BlackRock going in there buying every. Yeah, oh no. So what did he say? Do you know what he actually said? He said just a bunch of crap, you know. And just like you know he actually said he said just a bunch of crap, you know. Or even just like you know stuff trump says just, it's like. You're like, did anybody read this before he came out and said this? You know it was. It was one of those. He hasn't done a lot of those lately which, because we don't even talk to him totally, we've talked about him. It's just been like you know, I feel like he's made a lot of progress on, like how he does stuff. And then he was like and uh, then he comes out with like we're changing it to the gulf of america, and you're like, bro, just leave that alone, just just take all your wins, don't like push the buttons. You know that one is already done, though, right, I think google's already updated it to a couple I'm like a couple spots they might have it, but it was just funny like the like just why did you do that?

1:01:11 like he just can't help himself. He can't help himself. It just makes people mad right. So same thing with. So for instance on this stuff. Yeah, exactly. And so with the Gaza piece, like it's kind of like, it's just like, bro, you got to be careful what you're saying. And then there was a couple of conspiracy theory videos come out today on, like you know, as far as in times go, the old this region of the world is involved. Oh yeah, right, and so. Did Trump say he was going to rebuild the temple? Not necessarily. You say about the red heifer. He didn't say anything about that. But there is the red heifer piece. There is, there has been.

1:01:51 There's a millionaire in Texas who has been breeding red heifers to have. That was like the original reason for the terror attack Hezbollah. That was the whole rumor, right? The original Hezbollah attack was caused because that guy had delivered the red heifer to Israel. Have you not heard that? They were I don't know if it was a conspiracy theory. For sure I haven't know. It's a conspiracy theory. I haven't seen it validated but they were like lining up where they were trying to get red haffers to israel. Yeah, right they had indeed shipped a couple of them, but the, the, the, that october 7th attack would have no effect on, like, jerusalem and up there, but, but, the but, pieces of like, talking about like basically anytime. I think I remember as a kid, like obama's first term, people being like he might be the antichrist, and then like, and then like whoever's the next guy he might be the antichrist.

1:02:40 But then with like, for instance, with the trump, stuff right now is some conspiracy people, you know, throwing out the old antichrist verbiage on stuff. And then you're like no, that's not true. And then it's also like wait, no, bro, don't. Like, don't mess with israel's borders. Like, yeah, you know, just kind of like, hey, man, like that's, it's kind of big consequences, you know it's it's hard to say, because there's there's oftentimes, when he says something kind of like he gets definitely hyper fixated on things where you won't hear something. And then you hear him talk about it and then he like it's just like, he just like goes up this ramp where he he's always thinking about it and then he's not gonna stop until something happens.

1:03:22 And I think the the thing with california and and the la fires and um, essentially the the water flow going into central california the fact that all right. He can't. He cannot stop thinking about it like it's it just, it's just gonna have to happen um, I think, I think it's one. The california thing is this we talked about that actually a couple weeks ago with ty um, but that one's crazy to me because I thought trump went too easy on him when he went to the panel and sat down and I know he kind of called out the mayor and kind of called a spade. A spade of like hey, look like you cannot cover this up and to the credit of a couple people there, a couple people owned it and like we're taking action now.

1:04:06 He's like good, should have taken action before. And they're like we know. It's like well, just because you say you know, doesn't excuse you of the responsibility, right, but it was one of those things where, like I felt like he should have been harsher and I think I think there should have been like true, legitimate, like criminal investigations into just negligence and negligence embezzlement, bribery, right literally can like not conspiracy of sedition, but conspiracy to legitimately defraud the state of California and the civilians of California from their own water rights. Yeah, and so that's the thing that gets me pretty pissed, because you look into it, man, and there's a reason those hydrants were empty and it's because California sold that water to private firms.

1:04:51 Well, one private person, quote unquote. There's a reason those hydrants were empty and it's because california sold that water to private firms, essentially well, one private person, quote unquote but it's essentially like wrapped up in firms that have the water rights to it, and that's insane. And they could have released the water too, like they could have, like, helped support the fires, and they did it because of how much money it would have quote unquote cost them, and I would think 10 times out of 10, whatever the insurance companies are doing are a really good predictor of what's going to happen. Yeah, no, kidding right. That's like the pinnacle of where the money is going. If the insurance companies are doing something, they know what's up Like they're not like, they're like, very like, very particular about what they're spending on.

1:05:31 So if you see that they're like, very like, very particular about what they're spending on, so if you see that they're pulling out of something, you got days, you got like days, until something happens. I said a conspiracy theory that I'm waiting to come true. I said a couple of weeks ago Pat was here. Pat seemed to look like a skeptic. I couldn't tell if you were really skeptic, remind me of this one. So a lot of these millionaire, billionaire properties aren't ever insured by private insurance companies because the cost to insure them and even a moderate risky area is just too high. Because if anything ever happened, um, let's say, even someone commits insurance fraud in the in the insurance company can't prove it.

1:06:16 They are out hundreds of millions of dollars sometimes. I'm actually not aware of a property that is like uh, is not commercial, that costs over 500, 600 million dollars in the us. You think this is a rezoning conspiracy? Yes, because if you look, um, paul rand has done actually this presentation several times. You can watch several different videos about it where he's gone and spoken at uh events, but he's also spoken to congress about it where the federal government has insurance and you can essentially pay the federal government to insure your house and your property as long as it's in a.

1:07:00 I can't remember the exact technicality around the classification of the property, but most of these millionaire and billionaire's homes are not insured by GEICO, they're not insured by Allstate, they're not insured by Allstate, they're insured by the federal government. That's pretty crazy. And think about this, think about the collapse of the California housing market. Lately, california's property values have been cratering compared to other locations. Because of the exodus out of California it's harder to have a job and maintain it, and the crime on the rise in California has destroyed a lot of property value in tons of neighborhoods. And so with that, I genuinely think there could have been not I'm not saying everyone in a neighborhood right who, once the fire started, they greased palms to prevent the fires being, uh, essentially stopped as quickly, right of like, actually we should let it burn.

1:08:01 Let's just let it go down, because if it burns and we get our payouts from the fed and then we can take that money and we can buy new property elsewhere, not in california that's going to be a better investment. Do you know the slight upside to some of that land being rezoned? Like hopefully goes back to wait. Wait, what do you mean? Slight upside? Well, like slight upside of the fire or slight upside of them, rezoning for the federal government to ensure it. No, no, for for so say like, so say like so say post, post-fire, post-fire. A lot of those properties get rezoned. As for commercial use, yeah. One of the biggest issues in LA and most major cities in California is, time and time again, people have shot down like proposals for like apartment buildings or any other commercial use because that ultimately will decrease the value of their own homes and neighborhoods.

1:08:56 So this is kind of like the loop of hypocrisy, right, like the people that they'll vote for. People to quote unquote care for the needy and the poor but as long as it's not in their own vicinity. We vote for people. We're going to create programs that take tax dollars and fund like programs to take care of the needy and the poor and keep them off the streets and help them, but also not in our neighborhood. We don't want them in our neighborhood. And I don't want my house losing any value whatsoever. So you go in like. Not in my backyard. Right, so you go in like not in my backyard right like places like san diego where like properties are skyrocketing because there's there's no cheaper like housing or apartments or like any rental opportunities being produced in those areas, so like we could very much so see the prices in california become much, much more reasonable in a way that they've never had been before, because these, like entire neighborhoods, just get rezoned as commercial use.

1:09:54 Bro, I genuinely think, though the LA fires could have just like catalyzed LA into becoming the next Detroit, like I would not be surprised in like 10, 20 years from now. La has become essentially like primarily a like primarily a like blue collar labor class, uh, and like um industrial zoning area for manufacturing or whatever, because it's right there on the coast near the harbor and it is far cheaper to kind of have that manufacturing there than it was ever, like inland in, you know, detroit and like the other great lake areas, and you just kind of have that manufacturing there than it was ever, like inland in, you know, detroit and like the other great lake areas, and you just kind of have that rebuild structure of a collapsed economy and lost value because so many of those companies like think about the businesses that just got pays payouts for being like insured properties, right, and now they don't need to worry about liquidating their stuff, like they're like actual stocked shelves, right, they don't need to worry about anything, they just back building burnt down offices burnt down.

1:11:02 Those employees get a severance package because they can't go to work. And we're not gonna, of course we're not moving our like hourly wage workers, right, uh, so now we can just take our money from that and we can invest in austin, we can invest in houston, we can invest in denver right, yeah, we can invest in billings, in you know, idaho city, whatever, and it's one of those things where I'm just like there is no going back, because what does la produce? uh, a lot of douchebags born, so even and even so, yeah, so entertainment right like right I don't know, they're not known. I maybe I'm wrong, but I don't know of anything else, that's coming out of there right where, if you look at, like the past 10 years of uh streaming and or like independent stuff and like, uh, everything's not coming out of hollywood entertainment wise, or even like music see the latest music production.

1:12:00 All these things right, and so you have, because you can have two guys in the middle of nowhere with. If you have an internet connection, you can do whatever you want, right and so like? did you see the woody harrelson and uh matthew mcconaughey commercial in the vein of true detective about moving all filming for like big productions to texas and they've already started in vegas and that's, and like that's what I'm saying, like you can go everywhere and like, yeah, it's easy to hop on a plane, get anywhere you want to go. You don't need huge set stages. It's all fake, it's all green screened, or you go to a site, so you're going to. Either you don't need to be in LA.

1:12:41 If you need to go to a specific site, you're going to fly everybody out there. Or you're going to do it all on a green screen stuff, whatever, or just like. Production is just so different now. Music production too, so different now, where you don't need to be in the mix in the middle of an immediate proximity, literally standing next to somebody, you can pick up your phone, dm them on Instagram, collab, whatever. So that compounding where everything's been heading, compounding with things like this fires, like it could be pretty interesting for LA as far as like what is it? And like now, now the rest of California, mostly an ag state.

1:13:23 You know things that aren't talked about a lot. It's like you know the grand majority of what that state actually does is is ag and other stuff and that's you know all off the coast, but let's but stuff and that's you know all off the coast, but let's but site specific stuff you know along the coast, like this spot it could yeah, why live there? What's the? I mean, isn't it like though? Don't you think that's like the best? A lot of people don't remember, but this also happened with the chicago fires and the san francisco fires a lot of people don't remember that people started lighting their like their businesses on fire when the fire broke out, because if they did that they knew that essentially like they could get their insurance collected on those buildings and then they could leave Chicago or they could leave San San Francisco and like open shop elsewhere.

1:14:10 I think we saw a lot of people. Just there was a lot, a lot of fires just getting started out of absolutely nowhere. Ab you need to be careful saying that, man. There's a lot of people who are very almost militant against that argument. It's, it's crazy. I I have actually seen people in cal in California being hit and smacked because they were inferring that this was man-started, man-caused. There were people starting fires and people were like no, this was climate. No, this was man-caused through climate change. And it was like, bro, there's videos of people tackling guys with blow torches, trying to start more fires, like what do you need, and even if on its initial onset it was natural, sure um people took advantage, and it's never let a crisis go away.

1:15:04 It'd be the same thing as being like no, people didn't during that like civil unrest. People didn't just break windows and take Jordans out of the shoe store. They didn't. People didn't take. You know, pull TVs out. Like, what are you talking about? Like, no, yes, like, and all the way up from where you have like, like you're talking about on a high scale. Okay, I have a $10 million house. This is the most it's ever going to be worth, because things are going to hell. House, this is the most it's ever going to be worth because things are going to hell. Let's burn it down and get out of here all the way down to like just pure, like, anarchy. Like I've got five dollars in the bank account, I don't care about anything. Sure, I'm gonna keep it. I think you have like the whole spectrum potentially what's crazy to me is when you see homes in in california like some of these, just like some of these homes that are worth like upward of 50 million dollars, that they just cannot, like people cannot sell um, and how long they sit on the market for, and how much of a of how much of a hit that they take like what a what a perfect opportunity.

1:16:08 You know, like my house is valued50 million, I can't sell it for the life of me. People are not going to come and buy it. Let's just put it up in flames. No, yeah, I 100% agree, man. I'm not saying that did happen, but I am saying that it would be a very convenient opportunity. I think it happened. I think it for sure happened, without a doubt. I mean, it's happened so many times before in these other great fires that occurred and areas where property and everything's overvalued, that I'm sure that is exactly what happened. But okay, dean, I don't think you've heard of this right, or what's going on. Maybe you have, and I was telling Pat a little bit about it earlier today. This is really, honestly, the scariest thing I see happening right now in our country, which, again, again, I will say this I personally feel awesome, like I feel like I've never been more safe and like I've never, I've never, felt more like I have a group of people that have my back than I do right now and like, also like just in the eyes of society or eyes of the cultural norm, I think I think a lot of people during the last Biden administration who I'm not even saying are right-leaning or far-right or whatever, but that just weren't on board with the agenda of a lot of organizations and things and a lot of the direction we were going in I think a lot of those people felt like gosh.

1:17:33 I wonder if anyone else feels the way I feel, because this is lunacy, this is insanity. But if I speak out, I'm afraid of being ostracized or even losing my job or something like that. And now, all of a sudden, like everyone's talking about it, everyone, it's totally okay to not agree anymore. It's not okay to hate, it's not okay to be like a bigot, right, but it's also okay to be like nope, this is insanity and I don't support it and that's okay. I don't need to support it. You can support it. I don't, um, and I think that's why I feel so good, like, feel like safe and stuff like that. You know what I mean like I don't feel like we're in danger, I'm not worried, I don't have an anxiety.

1:18:14 Also, there's a lot of people freaking out about what's going on in the government. I don't know anybody in the government who's freaking out about it. Okay, like that's, like, that's a, that's a big thing. Um, I would say that I do. That works for, like the Fed that's freaking out. Yeah, really, please go into detail In full discretion. I have heard of, like, some things basically down the pipeline. This was actually a really good perspective for me because, from my eyes, like you see, like the state of our government, you, the state of the country, you see the debt that is looming over our heads and the only option for survival is to just start cutting things down.

1:19:00 Right, like you really wonder, like when we were not saying this guy was a good president, but like under bill clinton, it's crazy that we were in a surplus, and that was not that long ago. Right, like, how could things have gotten to the point that they are now? How could our spending have gotten so out of control? Yeah, like, this is what happens when things get neglected for so long. You have to cut back at some point or you're just gonna like like it's just going to implode. Yeah, um, now, the downside of people being so negligent for so long is that ultimately, at the end of the day, like people that probably don't deserve it will start to lose their jobs as a result.

1:19:44 Like, and these are just standard people, they're just trying to take care of their family and take care of their kids. Um, they're just trying to take care of their family and take care of their kids. Um, most these people probably don't really know like the overall bureaucracy of like the agency or like where it is that they're working. That's the majority of these people. They're just people trying to do their jobs, but there are like a good grouping of this managerial class across the board of people that are just absolute dog shit to the country and in their own agencies, right, and the people below that are just trying to do their jobs like they have, we'll see. They have to suffer the consequences of those people. Ultimately at least that kind of sucks.

1:20:25 Yeah, yeah, um, I do feel for like the individual in that case. You know, like, like, and and. Well, the other part of me would be like also for most of those individuals be like yeah, bro, but I think you were like. Your facebook post in 2020 was like super pro socialism. So like, take one for the team you know, like, you know, like, you know what I mean, like like, like, put your money where your mouth is. It's funny. So I feel for the day-to-day worker, the grunt guy who's just sitting there going how am I going to provide for my family if I lose this job? I do understand that, like the fear and the and I do think, like almost always, that's who gets hurt when huge, like who's this?

1:21:17 who's this, though? Because I I right, and I say this is from the perspective of like, I have an inside perspective on who these people are, I guess, right, not like actual individual names, right, but like what I see them do from day to day. And I'm like, when you guys say the guy who's working is a job, the lady working her job to put food on the table, who is that? Because, I'll be honest, I see a lot of people who work and will do and like they do their job and they have not lost their jobs yet. Their job and they have not lost their jobs yet. I am seeing a lot of federal people who have not worked, not been in office, not been available, not answered their phone, right, and they are losing their jobs, sure, and that's you know like, so that's why I'm like that's why I'm like I, I'm just not entirely sure I understand who you guys are talking about.

1:22:06 That's not a bad thing, but from the person I'm not saying you guys are saying it's a bad thing. A family at which you used to live with is now on the end of. People around them are losing their jobs in a snap of the fingers just because of how recently they got hired, and it's making their jobs two, three times more difficult because the structures at which they put in place are ultimately collapsing due to the negligence of spending. That it's not their problem, not something that's within their, their realm, and they're kind of suffering the consequences okay, you gotta give me. You gotta give me more concrete things, dean, you gotta give me like you used to live with them I don't know them.

1:22:46 I don't know any of the people who lived in their home. I lived in their home or did we share the? home. No, you lived in their home. I lived in their home for a short period of time for a short period of time. Oh, yes, yes, I understand what you're talking about. Yes, Okay, I think I figured it out. So are you saying they're losing their job? No, no, no, no no. So are you saying they're losing their job? No, no, no. But they oversee a great deal of people that are going to be losing their jobs due to just nothing of how they have been doing their jobs, but likely where they live and the time at which they got hired. No that's like bottom of the pipeline.

1:23:27 Sure, I would say that is a necessary problem. Like that is a necessary thing that needs to happen. It is just unfortunate for those people well, it is unfortunate system's been messed up that way right and to your point. I think we're getting that for those listening like we're not wanting bread to not be on people's tables. No, but what we're about to talk about is like the system's got to be redone. I'll say this I was probably one of a dozen people who worked at that location and was present at that location for about nine months at any eight hour shift period, and that's, I think, what is probably catching up and biting that organization in the butt.

1:24:15 That organization, it is a federal government organization. During COVID, a lot of people were not required to come to the office. They kept their jobs. Post-covid, a lot of people still didn't have to come back in and they continue to get paid the same thing. They got paid and there's not anything, when it comes to investigation, to justify their seat at an empty desk, especially when a federal auditor is walking through and trying to see like hey, uh, I've just gone through the last five floors and there's about three people in each of these 100 cubicles on these floors. Also, where are the people who are supposed to be in these uh, you know more hands-on environments?

1:24:58 Uh, actually doing the hard like labor work, because I see the same person every day when I walk in here and there's no one else other doing the hands-on work other than them. Yeah, shouldn't they have a team and like? And what I'm saying is like, that's not a reason. I've to like. Not, that's not a reason to not have empathy for people in a situation or something like that, but that is a true like experience thing of like when it comes like you have to do a cost evaluation, it's like, okay, what is the value in these people here who aren't here? Yeah, and so something I'll say is a legitimate statistic here. Can you guess what percent of federal employees work remotely?

1:25:41 This is cheating. I know it because of my job. Go ahead. Well, I know. For the DOD it essentially comes out to like 45% Way higher. For the oh no, I'm saying just. DOD For all agencies. Federal government it's 90%. No, yes, no, dude. I know like I know at least 60% of the people. Post COVID, it is 90%. I'd agree with that from from my job just going regardless of federal or corporate like, because I I do a job where I go in people's houses every day. They're all, they're 90 of everybody's working from home.

1:26:24 Yeah, but no, I'm talking about like dod. The reason I think it's only 45 is because ofiffs and like you have to be on site and clearance. It doesn't include all military. That's what I'm saying too. Like that's what I'm saying, Like I think only 45% of the DOD is remote. Those people are required to go into a base once a month. Yeah. Right. So that's technically not even home employment. They're going in once a month. Yeah, once a month All those reservists. They have to live near a base. So that number makes sense. But overall that makes the upper number of the rest of federal government employees way worse Because if you have the DOD, which is probably the second highest funded asset of the federal government, definitely the number one employer Sure sure.

1:27:11 At 45%. That's pretty atrocious. For the rest of right because now what you're saying is there's, there's, you're. You're saying you're moving away from the talking about the, the plight of the small man. Now you're moving into talking about yeah just how many, but you're now you're talking about how many people are, just maybe are or not doing their job from home right and I'm. I'm here like, as somebody say, that the working from home days are, if they're not over, they're on the course of being over, like there was a lot of they're on the course for being over. For specific areas, I will say this like the consultant realm is forever changed and here's the big reason is that the federal government want, like they can try to mandate that.

1:28:05 How many, I'll guess. I think I've said this to pat before how many consultants do you think are paid by the federal government for each federal government employee? This is a broad thing. I'd be like 10. I'm saying this is specifically based off of the DOD, but you say 10? I'm going 10 to 1. I mean this also includes all the companies out there that make product for the DoD right. No, no, no. Specifically hired consultant. They get paid by the Department of Defense, pays them as a contractor consultant or pays the company as a contracting company that offers consultants, I don't even want to know. 20 to 1. All right, for every single employee of the DoD, including your armed service men and women, there's on average 20 consultants employed by the Fed to support that work and mission.

1:28:57 The federal government doesn't have enough offices on site to bring back most of the federal employees site to bring back most of the federal employees, which is why the cia has just offered, because the cia the cia is man being mandated as well to have everyone on site. They just offered all their employees an eight-month buyout because they need as many of them as possible to take the severance and leave because they don't have enough space on site to like, house them and have them work, which is a lot better than the rest of the employees in the federal government that just got offered to buy out as well well, no, a lot of them got off for the eight months. They're just skeptical if they'll get the eight months right and it's.

1:29:39 it's so hard for me on this and I'm like do we need that many people? I don't know, probably Probably not, I would say the federal deficit would say no Right. I will say I this is also. No one knows who I am, no one knows what I do, no one knows the company I work for. But I will tell you this I have yet to see a federal employee match the level of capability of the competitive market to hire a consultant. Now, I'm not saying all consultant agencies are the same, but I have never seen a federal employee outperform a consultant who knows I'm on contract and if I continue to perform, the likelihood I win this contract again and actually even get more seniority and more money.

1:30:26 Yeah goes up well right, and a federal employee is like I don't have to do dick, I get to work forever and have good health care and I don't have to do anything. That's what I was about to say for me. The hard thing for me is going. Okay, I personally think that let's take feds out, let's go corporate america, remote workers. I think you could get rid of 60 to 80% of that. Oh for sure. For sure. And those are the ones I'm not disagreeing Right right. So I'm going just there, like from a productive like I got a lot of the amount of time I spend in people's homes and I see how hard they work, how much they do, and the amount of people I know who work from home and I see how hard they work, how much they do, and the amount of people I know who work from home not putting in 40 hours, not working that hard, making full paychecks.

1:31:12 So now everybody's got to eat, everybody's got to live. I'm like, even in corporate America, I think work-from-home people, most of your jobs don't matter Sorry, that's the song I'm going to say and they could cut 80% of you and then take that to a federal government standard, to what you just said, which was the fact that those people I think that 90% of the people who should be fired from corporate America still can work 10 times harder than what federal government employees output. That means, yeah, I'm sorry, we can get rid of 90 of all of you, and this is just perspective here, right like and this does come off harsh, but I do- agree with what you're saying because I will say this I our, our mutual friend I know, is a hard worker and has worked very hard right and has been probably one of the hardest working people I know from a government position and I'm blaking statementing these things.

1:32:09 Yeah, me too. That's because every team has one person who's putting it all in, and then there's 10 who are just phoning it in, and that's what I'm saying, like in knowing that individual as well and their work ethic, uh-huh, I still agree with you, pat right like from my experience working with a bunch of others as is mine, like a lot of the times. When I see, when I see people have the desire to work from home, my first thought is I see how little you work in the office. If I saw how little you worked at home, I'd blow a lid and then, on the flip side of the conversation, I would have the same thing to say. Should we be working 40 hours a week? No, like, like the like. You should have other things in your life going on. Like, if you could, if you could, if you can, like I don't like to do hourly stuff anyways Like if you can produce the product that's required of you in 10 minutes, then great.

1:32:58 I'm as as a as a company owner, if I could hire anybody who can do just the same amount of work in a quarter of the amount of time, I don't care. I think that's great. Now you just won back 20 hours a week, baby. Well, and that's that's honestly like. I will be very transparent with you guys. I don't work 40 hour weeks. I'm available 40, 50. I've pulled 60 hour weeks at my current job. When the poll is there, I don't get paid overtime, I get paid paid my salary. But I promise you I've been. I've had those 2 am, 3 am, 4 am nights of coding to deliver and provide the mission right and like and meet the mission's needs. That said, the federal government can be so disorganized sometimes that it can be weeks where I have to make my work.

1:33:48 I have to kick over a bucket of nails, count each nail and inspect to make sure they're all the same length, put them all back in the proper stack so they're easy to retrieve out of the bucket, and then I've got to kick over another bucket. That's literally what I have to do to occupy that time. It's one of those things of like you would probably come to my home, right, and you probably see and be like man, what's this guy do for a living? Wow, he's not working really hard. But there's other times when the government is got its ducks in a row, or you know they don't, and it's crunch time and they need us to pick up the slack and you would come in and you'd like be like, wow, this guy is like he's clearly on a bender and like he's just he's at like hour 30.

1:34:33 You know what I mean? Um, all that said, I truly do believe that the the value from a commercial competitive market like you have in a free economy with, like, the consultants, versus the the federal government, right, where you have less bureaucracy in a capitalistic competitive environment, in eco-capitalism, right, there's no, um, there's almost no bureaucracy, just pure competition, totally and I think in that environment you would see that consulting or consultants are the people who support the fed, do a lot more work. But when the fed is incapable of providing the work, then you just have a bunch of consultants who are essentially like they are.

1:35:20 They got the keys to the kingdom and they are being retained and paid because we know we're going to need them to open that door and if we lose them, no one opens that door and then also that's why your company charges, how much they charge the government. Yeah Right, meaning like you're. You're, that's the hard thing about contractors too. Where you go, okay, if I was a business owner, I'd say, and I'm, my main contract is the federal government. I'd say, okay, um, we're going to charge a hundred dollars an hour instead of $10 an hour, because I know that we're going to sit doing nothing for a long time. I got to pay my people, yeah Right, and so it's just like, and that's the. That's the beauty and the curse of of capitalism.

1:36:04 At the end of the day, is that you have, for the most part, um like, nothing is guaranteed. But when it is guaranteed, you get no bid contracts where the government is blowing cash for no good reason which I say I'm a huge on the anti no bid contract right, we just even, we just, we won a contract and we had to rewind it. Against competitive bids, yeah, but even when there is a, sometimes a no-bid contract is essentially like there's just nobody out there that can do the level that somebody else is doing. So you get charged a soap dispenser for two thousand dollars by yeah, lockheed martin.

1:36:46 Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, like it's a bag of bulls that cost 40 grand, right? yeah, right, and in perspective, like what it. What blows my mind is that this week you can have an agency like usaid get shut down with a budget of 50 billion dollars a year. I was going to bring this up. I have it pulled up on my computer, which is a. Fortune 500 company in this country and it can get shut down in the snap of a fingers in the US economy and us as a whole can just continue to live our lives as if nothing happened. Yeah, like if Starbucks shut down tomorrow, there'd be a lot of people, regardless of the caffeine withdrawals, right, you'd have like so many people out of work, out of you like I think the like which, the, but I wonder what?

1:37:39 I wonder how much start what starbucks is? They're probably not on that level. They probably are like I think that's bigger. That's probably the thing is is you have consumers like comparable. The thing is, you have consumers. Right you have employees and then you have consumers. So when all of those consumers are affected, you feel the ripple effect, because tomorrow you're going to go get your coffee from somewhere else that you don't know and that company doesn't have the employees or the ability to handle what just got shut down yesterday because they just acquired all that business Right. This is something that there is no consumer because every consumer is not in the country. No, exactly what you just said is like I think the the biggest issue with that you know a lot of people have with taxes, right, it's like we live in a capitalistic society.

1:38:28 Let me vote with my wallet, let me consume what I think the best product is at a fair cost, right? Sure, or at least the one that I can justify the cost for. Like, if you're the only guy offering green beanies and I really want a green beanie, I need to accept I'm paying what you want until someone else comes along, or if you've convinced me that's the best green beanie, I'll pay 5x, but the issue with USAID is that there is no consumer. It's just a like have the tax dollars use them for something, but there is no product that is consumed at the end. And there's nobody. There's no consumer, there's also no customer end, and there's nobody, there's.

1:39:08 There's also. There's no consumer. There's also no customer. Meaning there's nobody. Nobody's buying anything, it's promised money it's like it's like all these federal agencies, but popular was like these are all like mismanaged um 501c3 non-profits on crack which, which are at their core just State Department back channels in other countries. For them to be funded to carry out All the stuff USAID was funding Politico, so USAID here are some of the top ones, usaid, and now I'm not going to assign words to if this was wasteful or abuseful, I'll let you guys decide.

1:39:48 One of their highest expenses that they were funding was $1.5 million a year to advance diversity, equity and inclusion in Serbia's workplaces and business communities. If anybody can point out where Serbia is on a map, I'll give them $100. They also were paying. Uh, they had funded black dudes are in serbia they had funded 47 000 for a transgender opera in columbia and a 32 000 funding for the development of a transgender comic book in peru. Now, I will be honest, to me that sounds regardless of, even if it was something I agreed with.

1:40:31 It's not food on some starving Orphan's plate. I'll tell you that much. Honestly, that's just Like if you could take it what it is call a spade a spade. This is propaganda, dude. This is propaganda in a country. Giving that money to anybody in the US, I would say okay. You know what, to some degree that money Is being put back into the economy in some way, but it's not at all. And when you have $8 million a year getting pushed into Politico to continuously support your agenda? Politico didn't meet their payroll. Whoa, and if you, if you didn't know that that means that without the funding, they did not meet their payroll.

1:41:14 That's crazy, it's asinine and and aid. Aid is for food and medicine and shingles over your head that's to the district. it's not actually aid, I know, but what I'm saying is it's Agency for International Development. What they tricked us twice. It's not even Agency for International International Development. Is that what the word AIDS always meant? Yeah, the AIDS epidemic was the Agency for international development epidemic agency. That was. Whoever came up with that, though? Hire that guy for your marketing team pull him out of whatever hole he's in and say listen, sell these widgets for me, because you are a damn master aid agency for international development.

1:42:06 Yeah, yes, like roads and bridges and donkey carts and freaking corn and gosh dang man. That's so frustrating and and this is what do you think they were giving two million dollars to guatemala for? do you think it was? for like better infrastructure. No it was for sex changes. I was, I know I was about to say gender affirming care, because um which? What a stupid word. It's a sex change. It's called a sex change for a tranny, if you're wondering you can't say tranny bed I know I was getting trouble for saying that it's closer than like the old words, I don't know.

1:42:47 But anyways, the gosh darn man, I mean, what are we going to do? So this is where we start off this conversation, saying hey, bro, if you're at home and you work for federal government and you're about to lose your job, I feel sorry for you personally, that you are feeling anxious and wondering about what's going on. Also, now we've moved the conversation to what the fuck's going on. Obviously, we have to cut everybody's job and rebuild this thing, because it has gone off the walls and at the core of it like if you, if you were employed by the mob and all of the head leaders the mob got just busted in a Rico case and you were no longer employed by the mob and all of the head leaders the mob got just busted in a rico case and you were no longer employed by somebody would you look at that and say you know what?

1:43:35 I knew that there was a possibility. At the end of the day, just because it's the government doesn't mean that what they're doing is legal and what they're doing is is righteous, right like they're. They're ultimately taking money forcefully from the american people, yeah, and giving them to whoever and for whatever they see fit. You are working for the mob and with with some, with some honest introspection on that level too, all the way down to yourself being like I know what's going on. It was kind of nice while it lasted, sure you know what I mean like, hey, all right, buddy, that's fine, learn how to frame. Get out there and frame those two by fours together you could have been running a bookstore that had a, an office in the back that was like a meeting place for some gangsters.

1:44:24 You know, just doing an honest living exactly it's like. It doesn't mean you weren't doing your job. It doesn't mean that you weren't making an honest living. It just means that the people above you weren't and yeah, it's a, it's a. That's a good point, even if you're and because from a standpoint like I've honor and it's a big like thing for me too it's just like that's a great analogy to say, like you busted your ass at your bookstore selling those books, but what was keeping your business afloat was what was going on in the back doors. You know that you turned a blind eye to yeah, I will say this for anyone who knows the ins and outs of the federal government bureaucracy, who just kind of lost their job there's going to be a lot of probably consulting roles open.

1:45:12 Pivot yourself, pivot yourself and start thinking about how you can then come in to consult, how to support the vacuum. If there's anything nature abhors, it's a vacuum. That money's going somewhere. The question is what agency is next? Uh, I think it's doe bro. It just got proposed the department of education to be. It's about. It's about disbanded I was. I was talking with this today what to just straight up just straight up get rid of it, bro. Yeah, what does? that mean for, like my kids, kindergarten school I don't. I'm gonna put this in perspective for you. I was talking about this with a co-worker today. If we're talking about in the realm of public education okay, take the best public schools in america.

1:45:55 Okay, take the worst public schools in america there is a huge, huge gap in between them. How far from rock bottom are the worst public schools in america? From rock bottom, that is approximately how much the department of education is doing. Yeah, which tells me that states and counties are largely doing the work for education right and if they're doing a bad job they can do a lot more, yeah, so on a federal level, we don't need them. So how is it that we spend $75 billion a year on the Department of Education with like there's something close to like 50,000 employees?

1:46:40 Right, and what you're saying is we, locally, you pay your taxes and that goes to your schools. That funds your schools. Feder federally what's it doing for us? yeah, now, now some of the largest issues are around zoning of schools and um limits of where your money goes to. For example, go into chicago now your wealthiest neighborhoods have rezoned their education so that only their money, within those wealthy neighborhoods, are funneling into the local, like public education, whereas like five blocks down the road, you've got the projects with another school getting funded by a fraction of of what you're funding your school for.

1:47:26 Yeah, but all but all of that has been legal under your, your state and cities um policies, whereas that's not happening in the state next to you. So it's like is the department education really doing anything? I. That's the question, right, and I think that's what like. This is also like I'm sure we got to wrap up too. But this is also like I'm sure we got to wrap up too. But the response to this has been very militant and Reddit essentially just is facing sanctions for essentially treason.

1:48:10 People are openly on Reddit calling for the execution of people who are part of the Department of Government Efficiency. They are doxing and releasing their addresses so they can be found and killed. They're straight up just talking about let's go kill them on Reddit. Now that those Reddit users have been like coalesced, reddit is working now in submitting everything they have on these people and what they've said to the fbi so the fbi can conduct to see if there's really like actual terror plots from these individuals to take action because they're, they're, they're I mean, even if you aren't serious about taking action but you release the address of this person and who their name is, like what their name is and stuff You're conspiring.

1:48:55 You're conspiring and someone who is unstable enough to go and harm those people. You're providing them the means to do so and you need to watch out because the FBI is trying to keep their jobs too. Yeah, the FBI is like we got to justify ourselves. They're working harder than they ever have, true that, oh man, pretty crazy stuff. Um, anyways, all I said I want to encourage people to try and observe what's going on, and observe it Not from a knee jerk reaction, but to just like we did with anything else. That's kind of occurred over the last like four years in the previous administration is like there was a lot of things going on that people were upset about, but how often did we see violence be a means to like a healthy result?

1:49:44 Never. It was like. You never saw in the last four years the right having a successful, like a response to anything they disagreed with through violence. Right, and that was never okay. Um and so, with that, like I encourage people right now, if, like, you're upset about what's going on and what is being cut from the federal government and what the federal government's priorities are, violence is not going to get you a sympathetic or empathetic support and it's not going to get you the action you desire. Right, like. So, approach things from a perspective like this is a moment in time. Who's to say what, the, what, the what's going to happen after this?

1:50:25 Trump could do a lot of things in four years. He can get rid of a lot of things, whether they're good or bad, and the next admin could totally bring them all back Right, don't make a knee-jerk reaction that is going to cost you your life, whether that's like you actually lose your life because you do something very, uh, unintelligent, like the dude who just tried to cross the defense to the white house and like immediately got sworn by secret service. That guy's gonna be in a federal pen forever. Right, and like don't, don't do something like that with. That's gonna like cost you your, your life and your freedom. When you could just be patient and decide okay, I disagree with it.

1:51:07 What's happening I am going to seek cost you your, your life and your freedom. When you could just be patient and decide okay, I disagree with it. What's happening. I am going to seek out, like the proper opportunity to better like myself in these circumstance, and when my opportunity comes, I'll seize that for a peaceable way of improving my circumstances. Like a new job. Right, and I lost my job here, but my knowledge that I took from that is going to be super important to this next position. I'll be in right, and so I. I just I'm. The last thing I want to see, even if I disagree with someone politically, is then make a very poor decision that costs them more than what they would have lost if they had just been patient and timing.

1:51:51 You know essentially quote unquote timing the market right to reinvest in themselves, switch careers. I know a lot of people who are in their 40s that just switched to computer science, software engineering, just got a master's degree in it and are now becoming first year on the job, you know, computer scientists or computer engineers. They're pivoting from a lifelong career of like something totally irrelevant, but they they're reinvesting themselves and taking the opportunity to hop on this train, yeah, and make real life-changing money right for their families. Do something like that. You know those opportunities out there. It's not that hard. I did it and it like I was. I knew nothing about coding before I took my program and now I'm a great coder, right and I'm a data scientist.

1:52:37 So if I could do it, anyone could do it, but I don't know. I just want to encourage people to let cooler heads prevail in a time that may feel turbulent to them, cause now you're probably feeling what, honestly, a lot of us felt over the last four years the direction this country was heading and we get to now with, through the bat. Patients seize the opportunities here and take advantage of them to better ourselves and our families. Yeah, and at the like one of the most defeating things is maybe seeing somebody who is being entirely consumed by today's political yeah. Climate for the worse.

1:53:19 Oh, yeah, right, like it, truly like. Eggs are a little more expensive. Gas is a little bit expensive. Maybe you can't afford a house. Those things are frustrating, but that doesn't have to take up 12 hours of your day of thought because you're so angry at what's going on. You know, like the people around you still need time and attention and love yeah like you don't need to continue to consume and consume, and consume, like there's so many things that are far more important than this. Yeah. And we've endured the last four years and whether you're on the right or the left, you'll endure the next four as well, as many others have felt that they have to and just kind of ride the wave.

1:54:10 Stuff is happening, stuff is moving um, and you survived the last administration and the administration before then, so you're probably going to end up okay, uh yeah, just I think that's well put, dean yeah, and the other piece I was just thinking of too is like nothing's new under the sun. The world keeps turning. So if you are yet, I'd say caveat to what I'm about to say would be yes, the decisions that the big dogs make do trickle down to all of us, but also, ultimately, it's on you. You know, like it's on me, or you or like to like, if you want to change your position in life.

1:54:54 You want to afford a house, you want to make it easy to buy eggs. You can't control it. To control, you can control, and what we can control is what we do. So that's maybe you need a second job. Maybe you know vote, do so. That's. Maybe you need a second job. Maybe you know, vote with your money, vote with your money. Get out there, do what you can do. But my main thing like also in this case, like don't be a victim either way. You know to be like um don't put everything on biden, don't put everything on trump. For why your life is the way, it is because people under both people, under all leaderships, have had success and failure. You know it's like, so it's like on an individual standpoint, it's on you and just like you are ultimately the you're you, you have, you're the deciding factor in your future and, yes, people have you're the deciding factor in your future.

1:55:47 And, yes, people have bad luck, we have, you know, economic downturn, those sorts of things, and they go on. But at the same time, it's not owed to you either. You know, like, no one owes you anything, so just get it done. You know, and there's like, that's like exactly, and like and some people would be like, oh, pull me up by the bootstraps. You know, like that bullshit old line. And I'm like like I hear you also, yes, because whether it's right or wrong, that's your option. You know, like that's what we can do, and so and to take, take our own agency. Not let what's going on around us dictate how we feel about it. Not let what's going on around us dictate how we feel about it.

1:56:30 Not spend 12 hours a day victimizing ourselves or getting bent out of shape, and just move forward with it. And Christ is forever and always bigger than the federal government. And it doesn't matter if you're on the right or the left, the right or the left like, uh, there's always hope and there's always something bigger to lean on than your elected officials. It's yeah, it's not something to put your hope in, hands in, because they will, 10 times out of 10, let you down at some point in time for sure good stuff. Thanks, dean, for coming on. Thanks for having me. Always a pleasure to have you, dude.

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