The Mick & Pat Show - Dungeons, Gunpowder, and Wild Game

0:00 Well, I found a book, and in that book was a recipe for gunpowder Shit Human excrement. I took over the wasteland, one shit at a time, letting it bake in the sun, urinating on it until it became like fine powder, and with that shit powder I killed men. Ask yourself is that how you saw it ending for you at the end of a rocket powered by shit?

0:41 dude that, uh, that'd be like a very good memeable, like short, like sketch, you know, you know, like the short animated sketch, green text videos from uh 4chan that people read oh, yep, yep all right, are you ready, ready all right, all right, bro, pass me the sauce man. Mm-hmm, how's it? Do you think this music's too loud? I? think it sounds good Cool, all right. So, pat Sir, I'm curious have you had any feedback at all about our little Dungeons and Dragons, you know?

1:28 Audio book experiment. Not from listeners yet, but I've showed a few people like those clips and I think it's sweet. Yeah, dude, everyone I showed it to, I was like hey, be honest, I know that sounds a little janky robot voice and I've everyone I've gotten feedback from said no, dude, that's really cool, especially that you made it in like 24 hours. Yeah, like that's crazy how much you can do in 24 hours. So and it wasn't just, uh, dungeons and dragons, people I showed. I showed antis and pros and they were all.

2:08 Everybody thought it was like they were impressed anti like what do you mean? Not anti, just guys who are like I'm. I don't play that, I'm not going. I'm not going to. Yeah, it was crazy is that majority of people still enjoy cool fantasy sword novel you know what I mean. Oh yeah, it's still something you'd like. If that came on the television, you'd be watching it. Yeah, you know, I like lord of the rings. Yeah, I'd be watching that for sure. And so, yeah, it was. Uh, I've gotten some and I've got I have a buddy who wants to come on the pod. Oh yeah, yeah, and he does. I know this buddy actually. You don't, you don't know that, I don't think you do, but he sells um dungeons and dragons.

2:52 Uh, well, characters, I don't know what they're called little, uh, I don't know, I don't know. Basically, the premise is this Lots of people do spend lots of time making their little worlds right. Yes, painting and building and buying and building a character Hold on, let's just yeah, because I'm excited. Now I'm enthusiastic, so I want to zoom out just a moment to ask questions, so I'm following properly. Just a moment to ask questions, so I'm following properly. There's Dungeons and Dragons, as in the game and all of its materials, which is like you know, settings, books, actual physical models, miniatures, terrain, tables, sound, whatever.

3:51 There's dungeons and dragons, the novels, like lore, like actual pick up, read a book or listen to the book, and then there's, like I guess, all of the you know creative side of like design and you know all the, all the intricate, like actual infrastructure, so like there's computer programs and stuff like that. It all goes into like building some of these things. When you say people that could be, yeah, like he copyrights characters, right? no, so yeah. So I will say too, like the, so they, like what you just explained was you can get, you can go full on, you can go it so in deep, you can make your own universe your own world your own deal, right, but to the layman or the guide wanting to get in yeah, that feels a little ominous.

4:31 Oh yeah, that's a big undertaking, big time commitment and with the the game has grown in popularity hugely over the oh yeah. So what he sells is he sells these basically, like I think it's some terrain table stuff. So this is a physical touch with your hands. It's a touch with your hands thing. But it's what it is. It's an entry level thing. It's a thing to get you in the game, get you going it's. It comes in because it's it's inexpensive and it comes in. It's cardboard cutouts, little pieces, game pieces so you can like so no, it's not like 3d printed multiverse of all the of all the things.

5:18 Right with your hope, but this is like for a dude who's like. I want to get like my bros together and start doing this. It's little cardboard meeple. Yeah Right, Exactly. And does he like hand draw them or graphic design them and then print them out on paper or something he has? it's a, it's a company of his. He has people work for him. It's like there's multiple people involved. So he has designers, he has graphic people and they're making these characters. They're making little cutouts in there. Um, basically, yeah, it's. It's a way for people to have, uh, and have a foot in the door into dungeons just by. Like, I want to get started. I need some, like, some semi-creative material just to get the get the juices flowing.

5:59 I need to be able to move some pieces around and have something to hold and have, but I'm not about to. I can't go full. You know full nerd. Yet I want to, but I just can't. No sure, yeah, it sounds great yeah, it sounds like he does all the heavy lifting of like the. I don't know what I'm doing, I don't know what, to where to go from there. I don't know what to create. And then he's like all right, here's all that stuff, now you just take it and play with it. Yeah, yep, and then it's like, all right, here's all that stuff, now you just take it and play with it. Yeah, yep, and then so it's great, that's awesome. Then you can start to, and then, once you're in there, probably after a season or two of that, you go all right Time to get out the cape, you know. Yeah, I mean. Put on that cape while you start. You know paper mache and stuff machaian stuff yeah, I don't.

6:49 I mean, don't get me wrong, I I'm. I'm never here to yuck someone's. Yum, I've never had the real desire to dress up or anything for dungeons and dragons. I have like thought, like I have worn goofy. Yeah, I mean, I've worn this outfit, the outfit that you know, people see me in on a regular basis. Uh, I see them, you know, wearing a cowboy hat in poncho and, you know, just comfort clothes. I also wear sweats. I also wear, you know, death metal shirts. Wear, uh, my big silly fish hat. You know what I mean, but I've. But the only costume thing I've ever wanted to do was I actually wanted to make a very, very sophisticated, high-end, uh, vocoder where I could wear it over my face and people wouldn't see my mouth so they're not so like when we're in the middle of like dialogue and they're engaging with the character.

7:42 I could hit a couple different buttons and just go between different character voices, so that way it's like less about like. Oh, mick is pretending to be a chick right now like I have to like, do like a oh yeah yeah, but gallivant. But uh, you know, like legit doing a vocoder through some of my ai programs I've written and just having them like literally reiterate my words live audio wise back to people and then people could be like, oh, that's that voice, because that's and that's that character and it's a lot more like immersive right now never done it because I just don't care that much, but it'd be cool.

8:24 I've, and I've been thinking about building it, but I'm also not an engineer, so I don't really know what all goes into wiring of a coder and you know, making it something you can wear on your face. So For sure. No, I think it's about time I need to see what it's all about. Bro dude, you really should. I need to come, need to see what it's all about, bro dude, you, you really should come on a little mini campaign and uh, I'll dress up, I'm not afraid well, yeah, of all the people I know, you probably have the most costumes. I do it's. You know what I mean. It's weird, so I shouldn't, but I do well, I mean, also, you're a dad and you do a lot of costumes like you uh, you do like the big um costume party things here in our local little town and you do like the annual stuff and you also, of course, do like halloween with your kids.

9:12 So I think it makes sense that, of of everyone I know who's only like maybe one or two of them, or dads it makes sense that you have the most costumes because, you've been the dad the longest. And it really mostly stems back from my like youth ministry days of like skits and things like that too, just having like coming out and being goofy and whatever you know, being silly and having fun. And so the I'm excited to show, I'm excited to hear what people think about the little. You know, what is it? What is it that you made? That we made together? Oh yeah, I guess call back here.

9:52 It's uh, the whole concept is just that, um, you know these games, role-playing games, they're just like serial television. Every week you meet up with your friends, you sit down and you play an episode, but sometimes because of scheduling and stuff, you don't play for a long time and you can easily forget and have a hard time keeping track of stuff. So I keep really good like outline notes, you know, and I, while things are happening in the game, I'll create bullets to describe, like what a player did right. So if a, if a player is like all right, well, let's go over here and check out this first, because over there seems a little bit too dangerous, like it's a little suspicious, I will put a bullet. Like players went here and that notes helped me keep track of, like what happened in a session and reference it back and it also I shared those notes with them so they can reference them.

10:42 But then I was like what if there was a way that was more engaging? What if there was a way that, like I could make something that is digestible in a reasonable amount of time for my players to listen to? That would be like almost like seasonal right, because this summer we didn't play at all this campaign I'm running because people were out of time and stuff. We were playing another friend's campaign for the summer and so now we're about to pick it back up again and it's been like five months since we played. You know we paused in May, and so I was like what if I put it in a digestible format where, like, they could just press play on their phone and they could just listen to it while they're driving or doing homework, or just something like that, and it's like an audiobook and it's again not like a full audiobook.

11:30 We're not talking 10 hours, right. We're talking about something, you know, in the format of like I don't know, maybe a whole year summarized in like a couple hours and have it be in a digestible episodic format. So I started with just a one shot that some players did, and that was the fun part about it too, was that the one shot all it was so long ago and it was like the thing that kicked off this campaign with only a couple of the players that all of us have forgotten a ton of details and I'm operating off of like sticky notes that were tracking turns in combat. I was like, wait, was one of you guys named Jimothy, who was Jimothy?

12:10 And someone was like, oh, I kind of remember Jimothy, I think I was Jimothy, and someone else was like I was, I was a warlock. I remember I was a warlock and I my head. He was this like young black guy warlock, and I was like, all right, let's see who's out of my notes. And you know like, uh, going through those things and creating this, more of it started coming back to mind and then when I played it and I had those guys listen to it, they remember it was like light bulbs, they were like holy crap. I remember so much from that one shot now, like I remember, legitimate, like feelings and motions. So, all that said, what it is is just a 20 minute ish, maybe 25 minutes, um, audio, like short story.

12:56 You know it's, it could be it's in the format of a, of a audible book, of an audiobook, um, and it's just supposed to be like the preface. You know it's, it's the preface, introductory, setting the tone of the story. Best way I can think of it is think about the opening scene of game of thrones, which you know pat is a heathen and hasn't watched yet. But the opening scene of game of thrones is with people, that is, with no main characters. The opening scene of game of thrones, very much, is just you see these guys, they're ragged, they're wearing armor and leather in a very cold forest and then they start getting picked off one by one and then the last guy lives to run away and tell what happened and he's executed for, uh, leaving his post.

13:41 And none of those people are important, but they all establish immediately like okay, one, like up there it's cold. Two, there's dead things that are alive now. Three, they like to position and leave weird signs of body parts and stuff in the snow, like this is clearly like it's not good. Um, and that's exactly that's like that is the opening game of thrones, uh, plot device, and it is also immediately tells you what the ultimate plot's about. It's about bad things in the north are gonna be coming south. Yeah and uh, that's kind of the idea of this is like this opening preface story is that for the players, even the players who weren there, they can listen to it and they'll be like, oh, especially after playing for a while, they'll be like, oh, yeah, okay, so that's, I know that name.

14:34 Oh, I know those bad guys. Oh, yeah, that setting, that scene, the desert. You know the bannerless blades, yada yada. You know, um, the banner was blades, yada, yada. It is just to be like kind of a more uh, an intriguing concept than them just having to read notes on a document, right, and I think, and I only put six minutes of it, it was 25 minutes long. So we only and it got yeah, and that was just like a teaser for the teaser, because it, like you know you went on to, there was battle scenes, there was some really good metal sounds bro, and some really good of the arrows dude. I love the archery sound. We had some. We had some good, like you know. We heard. You could hear magic and you could hear people breathing heavy and there was bad guys introduced but, also monsters, the you know the that's the in these worlds where there's an abias monster, that shows up in the middle of a battle Chaotic neutral.

15:29 It makes things a little bit more wild. So all that happened in there, because you're going to kind of keep maybe working on it more, make it longer and refine it, and so eventually the plan is to kind of throw a whole thing out for people to be able to listen to the whole thing and hear like and like. The cool part about it is like a lot of it's done with ai but without like a lot of it is done with ai to make it accessible and doable on the financial scale that we can afford and the time scale we have. But it's like that final bit of polish that makes it go from oh, this is clearly ai just reading off the script and it doesn't have cadence to oh, like this is a story and this is a story with a lot of like considered timing to it and like it's that final polish that, like you know, in all credit pat's the one that who puts all the final polish on.

16:27 I give him the music and the audio and then he puts in the sound effects times. The music does all the transitions, but that final polish, I think like really made things go from oh, that's cool to oh, this is engaging. You know so and I think, as long as that's fun, we should do it, which, on that note too, made a lot of progress on the horror story. And so the horror story which I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna air it out here, we're I'm working on a horror story that you know we mentioned a long time ago. We were working on it, um, and making something cool, but we decided it wasn't finished enough and it wasn't. It was less, it wasn't that pat didn't have the right sounds or anything for that or we didn't have the right music, but it was like I just wasn't satisfied with, like, the stylistic approach to the way I had written it and I I really wrote it originally to be like in the form of screenplay.

17:23 So you read it as a screenplay and it's everything is descriptive, like it would be from a scene, a scene play or it's like reading. He would even script as he. As he said, it'd be like camera pans out and then you'd keep going with the narration. And now I've been rewriting it, uh, in the style of Kurt Vonnegut Cause I think Kurt Vonnegut, cause I think Kurt Vonnegut if anyone's ever read his stuff like white noise, that was always the. That's the book I read of his the most. Um, I think I've read it three times now, cause it was just very interesting. And how it takes such a very boring, dull situation and makes it like an observational entertainment, almost satirical and grotesque thing, it's weird.

18:04 It's weird, it's hard, it's hard to say, it's hard to describe it unless you've read it. Um, and at first I really hated it, but his writing is so well done. When you realize it, it's just like the first time you're in it you're like it's just like microwave timer 1239. And like that could be the sentence. You're just like what the hell? That's not a sentence that should be in a novel that I have to read for a grade, right. But then, like you get used to it and you realize like this is simply like detailing the like factual, observational, you know what the observational facts are of the scene and setting and and like it, can I. It can be kind of weird because, like the violence, like there's parts I remember reading that was violence.

18:50 It was so brief Cause it was just like metal chinking into metal and blood slicking the floor. And then you're like what just happened? Did someone have a knife? Did someone have a gun? Who? Died Someone yeah. But, like you know, it goes into more detail. But it was just like there's a lot that is stated that is observational but leaves a lot up to like the audience to infer and imagine and kind of fill in. And so I kind of taken that approach instead and like filling it out. So it should still read very cinematically, without a lot of extra wordiness of you know adjectives to it.

19:35 Um, but everything is written present tense, observationally everything, and the whole story is essentially like a horror story. So all I said I'm really excited for it's called wings. I've decided to just call it wings. That's a good name for that yeah and uh, dude. My favorite is the opening. Still like I keep on reading through the opening and I've rewritten the dialogue several times and I really am excited to hear how it sounds after we have all the recording done but especially like I really do think the concept of the initial dialogue being in vietnamese and then fading and the vietnamese is in the background and the english translation of the vietnamese is being read over.

20:15 I think that's a very like snappy and like engaging to the dialogue, definitely, and it's like a classic way they used to do movies. Now they have to feel like, they have to like just keep the whole, the whole entire season in that foreign language which you know. I get that. But also it's like I'm if I'm reading captions, I'm not really getting the vibe, but when it does that thing where, yeah, the first couple sentences, okay, it sets the stage. I know what this language is, okay, I'm in this culture, I'm in this place, and then it shifts to a language I understand and I can remain in the story. You know, then it's like, you know, it's a, it's the way they used to do it, like on tv, different things, a lot too, you know.

21:00 And so now it's. I think that's a is a great way to do it and it's a. I think it's a too, you know, and so now it's. I think that's a is a great way to do it and it's a, I think it's a like a maybe a lost art form of bringing people through the story. That I always thought it was really cool, because the only time I've ever seen it done on tv really like in the way I imagine it is the show lost. Did you ever watch all of lost? There's that. It's an opening scene before the classic, like you know, like it's like the lost letters coming in. Yeah, and it was the opening right before that for this episode. And Charlie is having a dream and is it Charlie? No, hurley, the big guy, curly hair.

21:42 He's having a dream and he's in the bunker on the island and he walks in and is eating some food out of a jar and then he turns around and he sees Kim. And Kim is this Korean man who only speaks Korean and never in the show does he ever learn English or care to learn English. And he's very hostile to a lot of people because he only speaks korean and his wife is his only means of translation and communication to other people. And hurley looks at him in shock because he's like caught literally hand in the jar, yeah, and he's like, oh, hey, kim. And kim's like hello, charlie. And he's like you speak english. He said no. He said no, charlie, you're speaking Korean.

22:25 And then like he, wakes up from the dream and I was like, oh, that was kind of cool, like the inference of like that's the language they're speaking, but they just speak it fluently and so, as the audience, that's how we hear it, and I thought that was a really, really well done thing. And I've heard, like listened to radio shows like I said, gunsmoke and stuff, where they've done that effect in the past, where like initially someone's speaking a different language and then they, they're like speed, like the translator begins conversing with them and they just switch to English Right While they're in conversation, and I thought that was always really cool, but anyways, so that's what we're working on and the horror thing, I'm really gonna try to have it done, because every year we've done some like halloween stuff, yeah, and I think it'd just be sick to have this and just like drop it for halloween, pump it up.

23:14 I was thinking about that today, putting my pants on to come here. I was like our halloween episode is about to come up and this is gonna be our third, one, third, ha. And then I was thinking when did we officially launch our first deal? I might have to look it up right now because I'm like are we at? I need to see, like are we? I think our first episode aired in November, but I think it was recorded in September. Right, because we started early. I'll scroll down. And I got to know Because, like, are we sitting on a I think we're on season three. Now this this might be the first episode of season three watch season three right now. Let's see yeah, you're right. First one came out. Uh, yeah, you're right, november 22nd 2022, so we're approaching.

23:58 When was season two, our first season two episode? Because I think we started season two earlier because we knew I don't know, I'm looking fast. Season one was still, let's see, september was still season one. Season two, episode one, was on november 7th. Okay, all right then we can keep it all right. Well, I don't know, let's let season three start November. All right. This isn't season three. This is just the twilight years of season two. Maybe our Halloween episode will be our new like you know, Capstone finale Like finale.

24:41 Yeah, which is funny because our very first that is though, because the Halloween episode Is the end of October and if the new season starts in November. Then that makes sense. And our first Halloween episode came out, actually on Christmas, because we were so back. We recorded a lot and then we were putting them out. It's been fun. We've been doing it for a little while. So I think that it would be fun if we got that done In time to have that for a little while. And yeah, so I think that it'll be. I'd be fun if we got that done in time to have that for, uh, for a little Halloween action. It's crazy when you think about it. Like, for the most part, we've been very consistent with recording on Mondays. You know what I mean? Yeah, or recording at least once a week, if not on Mondays.

25:23 We recording at least once a week, if not on mondays. We missed a few. We missed a couple but that's because we were out of town and stuff like that. Yeah, but all I said is weird to think that we've been doing that like just about every week. I've recorded a podcast for almost three years now that does feel weird. We have enough audio of ourselves to ai model ourselves. Oh, way more than necessary and we we could retire. We'll just let the. You don't know if you don't know if yeah, even in this moment, you don't know if this is a human talking to you or not. That's true. If we already have, we already transitioned. We should see if we can make a fake episode and if anyone catches on to it and just see that'd be fun, kind of like when we did our uh, um, we were first messing around with ai.

26:09 We did the oh, it was uh, don lemon tucker, carlson, uh, uh, tuck your lemons tuck your, tuck your lemons episode where we did some ai there with their responses. That was just all text, but we could do it. We could do a a little. Make him pat um uh. Addition to that, that'd be fun, for sure that would be hilarious. So I've got this new guy. New guy for me. Yeah, oh, yeah you got the new guy working for you and so, uh, my uh, I uh do, we do we give him a nickname. I think I'm gonna call him new guy, just new guy, because it's, I think that's fitting, because I think it's fitting too and so, um, easy to remember. But so, uh, you know my company, we do.

26:50 Uh, you know, we, we spend a lot of time in, in crawl spaces, attics, you know, doing some kind of labor stuff, and we're always in these different places where there's there's there's insulation and dead mice and cobwebs and things like that. And I realized I need to start putting some new, I need to put some new verbiage on my applications, which is like one, like lots of applications. It's like are you okay with heights? You know, if you're on ladders and roofs, right. So if you're okay with heights is one. You're on ladders and roofs, right. So if you're okay with heights is one. But the thing I'm gonna add now is are you okay with depths?

27:31 And so, because we're in these like creepy crawly places, um, and so a new guy I hired, um, we were in this, we were in this rough crawlspace. His first day, first First day, we did a wretched crawlspace. And I hear him over he's on the other side of a beam from me. It's so tight you had to breathe out to pull yourself through the gaps and I was kind of worried. I'm always worried about the safety of my guys. I'm afraid a guy get hurt, whatever, and so I'm always want I'm safety conscious with my fellows and so got this new guy over there and I hear him going oh, oh, are you okay?

28:13 Yeah, hey, are you all right over there? He's like oh, and I'm like hey, hey, like is it all right? And he's like there's a cricket, a cricket. And he's like there's a cricket, a cricket. And I said, oh well, you're all right. And he's like there's a cricket. I'm like are you okay? And he's like yeah, yeah, yeah, I just have a thing with bugs. And I just laughed and I said well we're to like I said something like you're gonna have to get over that, or something like that. It's so, uh, because I mean, it's like, honestly, at this point I'll, um, I'll see a black widow on one of my guys and I'll just like wipe it off their shoulder and kill it with my bare hands.

29:02 That's crazy, dude. That's crazy. That's absolutely insane to me. Or like when you're crawling through the cobwebs. Like you know, it's been a long summer when at the end of the summer you just usually we get like a stick or something knocked down the cobwebs. When you're just like when you crawl just face first through and you just use your face to knock down the cobwebs, you know that a new level of either apathy or courage. I don't know which one it is, but I uh new guy was at this crawl space with our fellas and I pulled up and I just saw him like out at the truck getting a water break and he just looked like he'd been beat down. He looked like he was like had a long day. It looked like he was maybe reaching the edge, oh yeah.

29:44 And so I was like he's at the limit right now. He's at the limit, yeah. And I was like didn't know what was going on. So I talked to one of our other like more senior guys later on. I'm like, hey, how's the new guy doing? He looked like he's having a rough time and he just starts chuckling and he's just like, oh yeah, like he's. He like he's like first of all, he hit his head down there like a lot of times he kept new guy kept banging his head on the beams. Yeah, that does. That takes it out of you pretty quick, because there's that thing when you knock your head yeah, oh yeah, but it's primal you feel you have to kill something. You don't know why I mean there's that one, but then there's the one where you knock your head and it's just like you feel like your brains just fell out, like the bottom of your head, yeah, and you're just like you gotta take a minute.

30:26 Oh my gosh, yeah, like it's not. I can't. I don't even think it's like the same feeling of a concussion. I think it's more like you know, it's like it's like someone put a ice cube inside your brain oh yeah. And so he, as he's, he's chuckling to get his head a lot down there and he's also there was a, there was a spider down there. And so he goes talking to our guy and he's like, he's like, yeah, he knew, guys saw a spider over there. He's like there's a spider, there's a spider, and so spider. And so he's like, so I said, well, kill it. And you could just hear him like it's still alive, it's still alive, it's, it's still alive, it's still alive, it's alive.

31:21 But he just kept repeating over and over again that's awesome, and my buddy was just like. He was like I had to hide my face because I was just laughing over there oh yeah, and hey, we've covered the arachnid subject on here a couple times. Listen, sometimes it's a, it gets. Listen, my thing. If it was a snake in that situation, I would literally be in the same like I would be, losing my mind. I do the same thing. I'd be freaking, I'd be, I'd have that clammy, sweaty feeling all over me. Do you ever look at these cords on our table and think of snakes? No, no, but like just when I see that that little slither through the grass. Oh yeah it gets me like right now, my, now that I brought up snakes, my hands are kind of clammy.

32:03 Really they are. They're kind of sweaty. I keep on meaning to bring in a rubber snake. Oh yeah, It'll get me, it'll get me for sure, but then I don't want you to bring it. You're the type of person who I think might bring in an actual spider like a real spider. Well, I don't have to. They're all around this. Yeah, I've been. I've been breeding them, collecting them on the, on the outskirts of the property. Yeah, no kidding. But we get done with the day and we're, uh, we're recapping the day, and I was telling my, my buddies how I was playing around with this, this ai song generator, and we're like, all right, we just got to make a song, uh for for new guy, how he's gonna, you know, be triumphant. And so we gave it a prompt.

32:44 You know about, uh, you know about what we do every day, being in crawl spaces, and you know, I said you know a dark, dingy crawl space covered in cobwebs and a and a man who triumphs over his fear. And I said, do it in the in a cinematic epic, uh, rock ballad. And so the uh. We don't have to listen to the whole thing, but I wanted to play just the first. I wanted to play through the first chorus. I'll let you know when we cut it off, but okay, okay, I want to listen to. I'll pull it up. It's called crawl. I just love the AI.

33:28 Loves good intros and guitar solos. I like the thumb, mm-hmm and Deer's been to it Cobwebs and spiders haunt Heart pounding echo roars. He rises as he taunts. Shadows scream his name. Fear grips tight, but can't win Facing down the frame Strength will rise from within Crawl space conqueror Facing fear no more.

34:13 Crawl space conqueror. Yeah, rising from the dead, that's awesome. He's stronger than before. So it goes on from there. But the Crawl Space Conqueror, I'm going to make it my new ringtone. I'm going to make new guy listen to it every morning, just to get a little pumped up, get a little. Bro, I don't know that I'll get him pumped up. I think he'll be so embarrassed. I think he's going to listen to this. We're going to send it to him. Make him listen to our timestamp, yeah you gotta listen to this. He really did love our ai music episode he told me that no, he's a new guy's doing awesome, though actually he's a.

34:58 He's a lot younger than all the rest of us and he's just hopping right in there. He's learning stuff every day, which is a big part of like what I want to be doing when I have employees is like, and these young men I'm like. I want you to learn and grow, and even bigger than just the, the job we do is fairly simple. It's not like super technical, but like just in all the areas of your life, I want you to become capable, and so it's a great job for a young man to come in work with his hands, learn how to use tools, understand how a building works, build stuff, accomplish things, do some hard work. It is hard work and then, on the backside of it, you come out a little stronger, a little grittier, more capable.

35:43 A little stronger, a little grittier, more capable, and so, um, you don't ever have to. You know it's like listen, working in crawl spaces. You're never gonna like get to the point where you're just like chill yeah, yeah, exactly like you're never gonna get to a point where you're like, yeah, I'm totally okay with this someone's like hey, bro, you want to come? come to the hot tub. You're like no, I think I'm gonna head down to the crawl for a little while, you know hey man, you want to come over play xbox um you got a crawl space right uh, yeah, I guess. Um, yeah, no, that's uh, that's cool man. Um, that's uh really good to hear that he's doing well.

36:23 I'm sure he'll be encouraged by that. Um, but you know, pat, I did get a little bit of, uh, jealousy this week really yeah, from what I need. I need to know why are you giggling? it seems like you already know what I'm going to say, so I really doesn't even need to be encroached here? No, I honestly don't. So I'm kind of excited to know. You honestly have no idea why I might be jealous about what your employees get to do with you, and I don't. Oh that we sometimes go have fun instead of work, yeah. Yeah, yeah, see, I find out that.

37:03 What was it? You guys went to the range and then you just were like all right, this is a work of bonding event. And you guys shot clays, Didn't you do? skeet and trap. Yeah, we went and shot some clays. Yeah, that's cool. Where'd you guys go? You go out to the great outdoors. Actually we got one of my employees. If he had told me this in the interview, I would have said stop right there you're hired. Does he have a gun range on his property? pretty much, yeah, wow, and and with he's got also access to water, which everybody knows. Fish, old the fish is one thing, but for old pat it's all about that waterfowl yeah, you know, uh, so did you do waterfowl on his prop not yet.

37:50 We were out there in preparation for it. We went out there to saw all the shit hung out downstairs in the garage yep, yep, we're getting ready for it. So we basically went out there to see, like if we, if there's a good spot to like build a blind or like kind of scout the property, and um, I definitely don't want to like abuse it and use it too much. But he said we can go there and hunt it, and so is it shared with anyone else or does he just own the all the water? rights. He doesn't own any of it. He has. He has permission to go on it. So we got I gotta be careful being, you know, third party, fourth party access right. So like, yeah, but at the same time I'm like this is a good chance to go hunt some ducks and so, yeah, I definitely want to like, respect the people who own it and respect him and like, but at the same time, yeah, so we were, we were out there checking it out and you know, this week we or last week we didn't have a full day and we got back to the shop and I had the shotguns and some clays in the truck left over from a bachelor party and I was like, well, we're all done today, so let's go shoot some clay.

38:54 So we ripped out there and it's only about 15 minutes from right here and we went and shot some clays and it was good time. So we'll see. I'll see I'm a little jealous, I got to say you know, I'm a little jealous, but I just joined a nice gun and rod club. Oh yeah, yeah. But they don't have actually any water, they say, because there's no lakes anymore in the land, they're leasing. They're like the rod stands for cleaning rod. That's hilarious. They used to have like ponds and stuff. Yeah, they used to have like ponds and stuff. Yeah, they used to be located up in estes park and they had located yeah, they relocated for land lease stuff, but it's pretty sick gun range. I'm pretty, pretty excited for like a lot of the class and stuff that they got going on.

39:36 But, um, one thing I want to ask you, just because I, I uh, I'm trying to get into hunting, hey. So pheasants, yes, I showed, I showed some people on the internet's my uh bird gun just trying to figure out information about it, you know, and everyone was like do not take that hunting with for a waterfall. And I was like really, and they're like I was like it's an over under 28 inch, you know 686 beretta silver pigeon. Like why wouldn't I take it hunting? It seems like it's the perfect choked up bird gun. It's got five different types of chokes. Yeah, uh, and everyone was like because that is a over under silver pigeon, that is a like very high-end skeet trap or upland game.

40:27 That is not what you take to get muddy and junky and wet and let the stock get soaked up and corrode and I was like, oh, you know, I didn't know you get that junky when doing waterfowl, but it makes sense because you're in the swampy marshes. Yeah, in swampy marshes some days like I will stand in the water for like a couple hours with the butt of my gun under the water, oh wow. So, like you know, just like, that's just, it pays off to have a synthetic, synthetic is where it's at um, and if you're gonna have wood, you just know it's gonna kind of get through the ringer and then, yeah, you don't take nice upland pheasant over hunters in there now.

41:08 Now there might be the occasion where, for the day, you know you're hunting like a blind where you're up out of the water. That's fine, but like that's why, yeah, there's lots of there's days where you're like in your waders, stepping up to your like ankles or shins or knee deep in like mud, you fall and like I mean there's plenty of times where, like guys, a guy's fallen and stuck his whole gun in the mud, yeah, in the water, where it's just like. So, if it's a, do you? think? Do you think not to cut you off, but do you think the practice of resting the barrel of your shotgun on your uh boot came from waterfowl hunting, to keep from accidentally setting that and like getting mud in it?

41:50 Because I've seen so many fuds put the barrel of their shotgun on their boot like it's a habit and I'm like what are you doing, bro? lose your toes. Yeah, I, I think that's probably just bad, that's just fud just I think it's a little bit. It seems like it's an educated thing, like no, my granddaddy did it, my dad did it, my uncle did it and now I do it. I mean, I will say this like having a sling on a gun has not been a thing for a long time now. Now, at the same time, yes, you like world war ii you had that big leather sling on your m1 right, but for the most part like hunting and stuff. You like you didn't have a lot of slings on your guns now, and like big game hunting on your rifle, sure, but even still like lots for the lot for a long time.

42:40 So, like slings on your guns and slings almost being like a mandatory thing on your guns is a relatively new, like newer practice, and so I think like a surefire way of keeping a mud out of your gun is resting it on your boot. Um, it's better than like one guy I hunted with. He hunted with, he'd set the bear, he'd set the butt down and rest his hands on it, both hands on the barrel, and he'd sometimes put his chin over it. Hell yeah, and I was like bro, like that is. You know who does that? Someone who's literally like death, like so much like someone who's death incarnate that's what I mean, like oh I can't, I, I can't die because I'm literally, literally death.

43:24 You know, I mean like that's, that's an insane level of confidence it's that full. Yeah, I mean, I'll say he wasn't an old guy. He was, yeah, he was a young guy, like you know. But so I don't know, I don't know? did you ever show him what happens when you drop a shotgun on the butt? Oh my god, you think a lot of people don't know Almost any shotgun nowadays. I've yet to see a brand of shotgun pass this test. But if you take a shotgun you can load a blank in it. It's not hard. You could find shotgun blanks for like 25 cents there or 28 cents. You can load it in and rack it so it's around in the chamber and then just literally drop it from like shoulder length onto its butt.

44:06 It will go bang because of the way it's. The same way like how like most 1911s will go bang when you drop them. It's the way the floating firing pin yeah, well, the firing pins like, uh, it's not fixed behind a wall or a gate, the firing pin is retained by a spring. So if you drop it and there's enough inertia, that spring pushes down and goes forward and it and the weird thing is is like it will do that, but then if you pick it up and pull the trigger, it will still break. It will still have a trigger break, yep, and so that's like I don't know. It's one of those things where, like a lot of people I've seen, just like think shotguns are tanks and they are tanks, but like they are also the gun that will go bang when you drop it, more than anything else.

44:53 So I don't know why you're resting your freaking face on it. Yes, you know what I mean. Safety on Doesn't matter. About to become a poet, a world-renowned author, about to join hemingway. That's a joke about him anyway, because he shot himself in the face. I know, okay, I know he killed himself with a shotgun, with a shotgun. Yeah, no, yeah, and uh, there wouldn't be much left to speak of, or no? Open caskets there yeah yeah. So I think, uh, the I don't know, I don't rest your gun on your foot, just get a sling, sling it up, that's like yeah, honestly, like there's no excuse now with how cheap, like literal paracord or like you can you could use duct tape and cord and make a pretty great sling allen brand sling 7.99 yep, okay, like, and if you want to be cool, you can get the vickers choco chip sling actually can't anymore, they're sold out and I've been seeing people resell them for like 300.

45:48 Oh, my gosh, dude, it's good to know. I'll keep mine yeah I got mine for 50 bucks for real we're gonna resell that when larry vickers dies in prison? oh yeah, um but we gotta all right, if you want to get in hunting, we'll get out hunting, I do, but I don't have a bird gun the. You got a pheasant gun. I do so. What is upland game? Because I kind of want to do like, I kind of like to go for turkeys too. And is that considered upland? Because they don't. They don't hang out in the water. Right, they're not considered upland, but they you could hunt them with that. That'd be fine what else do you hunt them with, if not a 28 inch steel shot shot? you know number eight, load or whatever. Yeah, no, it's the well, because lots of guys will throw like a red dot on there.

46:35 You want like sometimes you want to be able to have three rounds in there. You know it's like. So it depends on your pierce. It'd be fine for turkey. You probably wouldn't be getting it wet. But then, yeah, it's like you've got pheasant quail. You know those sorts of stuff where you're walking a field with Dick Cheney next to you. Yeah, and there's some dogs in front of you Dogs are flushing out. You're like literally all you need to hunt gear-wise is a gun and an orange vest, and you just walk through grass and fields. You don't need a dog to scare him up, because I was wondering. It's very nice to have a dog. You don't need one. You just need a friend out there with a stick. So your friend's in front of you.

47:17 No, in that case, basically, what's going on is you're flushed. You get a couple buddies and you walk shoulder to shoulder and you push through and then you flush them out instead of the dog Whereas. But that's a close shot. So you have a small pattern or by the time your pattern's big, they're up to speed Versus if you have a dog dog points and then you know they're there. So now you're on them and then you tell your dog to flush them right about. It's perfect. They flush them out 20 yards in front of you as they're coming up out of the grass, boom down and also once the bird goes down. You know they're a lot easier to find with a dog. Dog goes and finds and brings them to you do you have a uh preferred um shotgun load?

48:01 because I've seen so many different loads about different birds and like weights and all that and like I've never really cared what I bought. I just buy target shells or I buy man killer shell. Yeah, you buy buckshot or basically nine or eight shot. So it depends on the bird, it depends on what you're hunting and then it depends on the distances you're planning on shooting them at. But generally speaking, you you know the smaller number of shot size, meaning the bigger the pellets, the bigger the animal you're going number number number one is larger than number eight, yes, yep, and so, like, if you're doing dove, also doves, another great like kind of upland type, so you can go walk fields and shoot doves.

48:47 That's where you can use that number eight, number seven type stuff, six, and then, once you get into four, turkey and three, and then turkey's an interesting one, because turkey has a maximum size, you can't use buckshot on turkey, you can't use buckshot. Unless you're in Arkansas, I think, I think Arkansas allows you't use buckshot on turkey. You can't use buckshot Unless you're in Arkansas, I think. I think Arkansas allows you to use buckshot. It depends on the season too, but if it's a fall or spring season and where you're hunting and hunting, regations per your state. But usually it's like number four, where when I hunt ducks I use three or two, if you're hunting geese, use bb or triple b, which is you know big, big shots for.

49:29 But not big animals not buckshot um, and bb is literally the size of a bb bbs six millimeter right or something like that um no, it's gonna be small. It's smaller than that, you know smaller okay I thought we were talking like airsoft bbs. No, like, like a, like the bb. You get in that little milk carton like metal bb that goes in your red rider. Yeah, yeah, so like a quarter of the size of an airsoft bb. Um, but the um. And so with turkey, what you do is, with, you get also it's not just your shot size, you also get larger shells. So you shoot like a with a turkey.

50:11 You can only go four, you can't go larger. So you usually shoot like three and a halves. So you have a three and a half inch shell which has more charge in it, more load, longer shell. Yep, more powder. How many shotguns are made for three and a half? Neither of the shotguns I have, I think, are chambered to hold three and a half. They both are stated to be able to do three inches and under Yep, but they can't do three and a half. And so that's why I'd say, technically, your gun's not a good turkey gun, right? So like you have super mags which are like where, like the receiver, the ejector, you know, takes three and a halves, have more power.

51:07 And then also your choke matters too, because you know. So you're dealing with all, you're dealing with your, your shell size for that powder load as well as your shot size, for uh, shot size comes into play a couple ways too, because the the bigger you go, the less dense your pattern is. So you want to find a happy medium with whatever you're shooting at. You want to have big bullets hitting them, or big, you know big projectiles hitting them with the densest pattern possible, with the widest spread on that pattern, if that makes sense. Within your circle. You want as many BBs as possible but you want to push them as far. So it's different for each bird, different for each place you're hunting. You know it's, it's, it's different for each bird, different for each like place you're hunting.

51:48 But you know it's like typically speaking. You just got. You know, typically speaking, as you go up in the size of animal, you go up as up in that um size of shot, but then, like in the duck world or other places too, of stuff flying where you're wing shooting, you're also good, because also turkeys are stationary usually comparatively so you're it's a little different, but that's why I just like I just can't imagine it'd be that hard to get turkeys and I say that as someone who's never tried. I have gotten, unofficially, I've killed a turkey with the club. Wow, yeah, I mean, I just I just fucking slung it and it just took that thing out. It would have been a city turkey.

52:29 It was at Lake McConaughey, they're just everywhere and it was in the summer and they're just everywhere and you could borderline run up to them and snag them. There are just so many. And I just remember I was like these dumbass birds. It was like a summer where I was really a survival man. I it was like a summer where I was really a survival man. I was catching frogs and making frog legs Right, and I just was like I bet I could get one of these turkeys and I just had this dried out. You know, lake McConaughey dries out the trees that have been in the lake for gosh, I don't know 100 years, gosh, I don't know A hundred years, and then when the water recedes low enough, you can literally just pull out full trees that are just like dried out sand wood and you can just break them into these big, huge, long clubs that are very light but very durable, like they don't break easily, you know, because of how dried out they are.

53:25 You know, because of how dried out they are, and I just broke one and I grabbed it as like a club and I snuck up on these turkeys and I just like threw it like you would throw a boomerang, like a sideways hatchet, and they were like, and they like started taking off. I mean, there was like 30 of them and it just went into one of them. Like I went over there to finish it off, nothing. Wow, that's impressive. Now we didn't eat the turkey and I was told to make it disappear because it was not turkey season. It was july and I was in big trouble, but all I said I still did it, and so like, that's why I'm like scratching my head at like surely it's not that hard to get it.

54:06 Well, I'm looking at this and I'm like why the hell would I spend $5 per shell For turkey shot? That makes no sense to me, but it must be something about. Like you know, I'm seeing stuff here like it's like copper plated, premium heavyweight TSS 12. It's 5 rounds for $70. That's a little bit. 3 inch. Number 9 1 and 3 quarter ounce. Turkey shot shells rounds for $70. That's a little bit. That's a little bit, Three inch number nine one and three quarter ounce turkey shot shells From Federal Premium Heavyweight Heavy shot Magna Blend 10 gauge. You say 70 for five rounds. That's 10 gauge $68.99 for five rounds. Also, you're looking copper, so, yeah, the copper gets you. That's the other thing too. Like versus if you can shoot steel at turkeys.

54:47 Copper is copper and bismuth are two like the big, like copper is one that is the leading thing right now for, oh sorry, it's not copper, it's tungsten, stainless, stainless, stainless. Yeah, so bismuth, tungsten, stainless copper. Those are the rounds that they're denser. Well, either one there's, there's two things guys are going for. Either one they want to be the most environmentally friendly and so they're shooting these expensive copper loads, or two rounds and so you've got more stopping power in those BBs. And you know, for years grandpa was in a flannel, you know, whacking the turkeys, which actually isn't totally true, because turkey hunting actually in the 70s sucked and it got really good in the 90s Because they were reintroduced.

55:41 They almost got smoked out. Oh, really Did we almost kill all the turkeys, the? turkey. Reintroduction was actually a huge undertaking. I mean Wild turkey, that's a whiskey, right, mm-hmm 101. Oh, It'll get you. They got reintroduced in the 90s though. No, they got reintroduced through the 70s, oh, but then they really like by the 90s. By the time the 90s came around, they really were like. That was like the golden era of turkey hunting. Yeah, I'm just looking at these tungsten stainless steel payload 22% denser material than standard tungsten, 56% denser than lead Flight control flex.

56:26 And hey, people are posting Five stars and pictures of their dead Turkeys. Great stuff, expensive, but worth it. I guess you know, if you think about it, if you only have to fire once and it's 13 bucks, and you kill the turkey, then it's like well, I guess it did pay For itself right. At the same time I got To imagine the premium. $ dollar per round stuff is also just as good, like for people who are not initiated. You could buy just about any kind of shotgun load. Uh, you could get like a bottom of the barrel buckshot for 50 cents a slug I mean not slug, technically 50 cents a shell and you can get target load to shoot at clays all day, uh, or even like dove, like stuff I've seen online.

57:12 Like, like small game birdshot load for like 30, 34 cents a day. I mean 34, 30, 34 cents around, um. So the idea of like a dollar per round is like the stuff you buy to kill a bear or pigs or deer elk, and then the idea that that stuff is for birds is just mind boggling to me. But I say that as an uneducated person. For my duck rounds I pay like a dollar fifty a shot. That's what it's come to now. That's a little bit. Yeah, it's $1.25. You know so it's kind of rough, but also that's a different conversation around.

57:57 Like ammo prices have gotten insane. Yeah, they have. I remember going to Walmart back in like 2015, no, 2016. No, yeah 2015. I'd go to Walmart and buy a box of 112 gauge target shot and it would be like gosh, I don't know. 15 bucks for a box of 100, which is just crazy. Now, yeah, Now you can't even buy it at Walmart. Yeah of 100, which is just crazy. Now, yeah, now you can't even buy it at walmart. Yeah, and I should. I should correct myself because big time turkey reintroduction was through the late 30s 40s, but then they continued like efforts through up and there were big pushes also through the 70s and then, and then the 90s is considered, you know, definitely heyday of turkeys and so, yeah with round.

58:46 Uh, you know that's. I guess you got to think about it this way too. Like, especially when it comes to like a turkey. For instance, like it's that one time a year in spring you have a turkey tag. Like here in Colorado you have a turkey tag and you go out to kill it. You only can get one. You can't get more than one In Colorado, one In other states, you can get more. I was going to say so many people in the reviews got two Other states. They get up to three, but Colorado. We also have lower turkey numbers, but here in Colorado you go out there to get a turkey. Whatever. You've gassed up your truck, you've patterned your gun, you've bought some expensive ass camo you, you paid for your tag, you go out, you bought a call, you do all this stuff to like get yourself positioned to kill the bird and then you're gonna let like say, even ten dollars stand between you and like success.

59:41 That's where. That's where the marketing gets you to, though yeah, a lot of it's marketing too, though where it's like, hey, man, like let's just it's the same thing with like especially, listen, gun guys. We're, we're suckers for the marketing on certain things, on the gear, especially gear guys. You know it's just like oh well, if it I'm a dirty, dirty, little slutty gun. Hoe yeah, when I see a lightweight forend or rail Right and it's got more than three notches in it to allow me to mount stuff Right, ooh. I'm a bad girl and it's like oh, this was like three ounces less than something else.

1:00:23 Yeah, Okay. When's the last time you rucked with your gun for three days? You? know, what I mean. I can't say that. It's like you took it out of the case in the back of the truck, shot it at targets and put it back. You know like put it back. Yeah, but what I noticed is that it was a lot lighter doing that. But you know, so, yeah, yeah, I mean, I listen, I'm, I'm guilty, most guilty of anybody on those things, but so that's where I get. I get totally sold on these things too. So, yeah, you ammo, um, and it's funny, once you get into these, even like so broadly, I think what this is like the gun world or the hunting world, once you get into it. Then there's like these deep, deep rabbit holes, oh yeah, of, just like I thought I just today decided I wanted to be a hunter, and they're like oh, that is the most broad thing.

1:01:17 Like you're like, let me take you down this rabbit hole, this rabbit hole, this rabbit hole all the way down to where there are forums of guys arguing about down to the grain of like, literally the grain weight of their archery arrow. Oh yeah, what's gonna get the get the elk, you know. And eventually you come out on the other side knowing how to like, at least have the right gear for the right situation and knowing it's basically just on you to be a better hunter to get the kill, because if you can shoot your gun straight, you can be sneaky, and you know where they are. You're gonna get it done yeah, well, and I think you know I admire that, I respect it, like I mean, because the truth is is like I've talked to a lot of hunters who, like I've had to do like the nice polite smile and nod my head when they just run their mouth about the pistol they carry or don't carry, or why they don't carry.

1:02:14 Dude, my favorite thing is listening to like hunters be like, yeah, I don't get why so many of these freaking. You know they always say kids, even if they're like still in their 20s, but I just don't get why all these kids are, you know, going around with their glocks and their pants pointing at their dicks. Like, imagine being that afraid that you have to go around the world carrying a gun every day. And I'm just like whose side are you on? Par partner? You know what I mean. But like I just smiled, not, I'm like yeah, yeah, and meanwhile I'm like sitting next to them with my gun like you know, they don't know it and it's just one of those things where I'm just like I understand, like the you get really rooted in your thoughts, especially when you live in a echo chamber, um, but I say that as someone you know who's gone around the whole lap you know firearms of, like thinking guns are cool and then thinking guns were bad and then thinking it'd be best if we got rid of all guns.

1:03:14 Then learning firearm safety, getting educated on fire, like shooting a gun properly, then shooting guns and thinking this is the coolest thing in the world and then becoming, you know, a more technical user Right, and then now I'm like all right, well, I feel pretty good with the technical side and I'm actually feeling like I've got the technical stuff pretty nailed down. Like, and everything else that I might be interested in pretty much starts falling into the realm of like it has a big overlap with hunting, like I just got it, you know, ar10. That can pretty much you know it could do. If I'm on my a game, it can definitely do one and a half, one inch uh groupings with your weight at 100 yards.

1:03:59 Um, and I got the bug for long range dude and precision shooting and like I want to build out a you know precision bolt gun. All that said, you start building out a lightweight precision bolt gun that's going to, at the end of the day, be looking at like minimum $3,500 with optic on top, be looking at like minimum $3,500 with optic on top, and you all of a sudden have an insanely good and highly desirable hunting rifle that can poke and kill anything in North America. And then you're like, okay, well, that's probably the best application of my long range skills.

1:04:42 I'll actually use this thing. So then it's like everything starts overlapping a lot. And that's kind of how I am with the shotgun. Stuff is like I didn't really care for skeet and trap. Then I inherited my uncle's shotgun. I'm really loving doing skeet and trap and like the proficiency you can see, like improving time over time with it. And now I'm like you know, it'd be better if these clay pigeons could zig and zag. That would really be a good test. And I'm like, well, I guess I just go bird hunting. And then now I'm just at the point where I'm like, okay, well, I guess I should just buy a dedicated bird gun. Um, so I don't know, I'm, I'm kind of in the I'm, I'm just realizing everywhere else I want to go with my firearm journey and like picking up new skills is actually going back to kind of like hunting and fundamentals of hunting.

1:05:26 Uh, because I feel pretty good at the. I feel you know don't get me wrong, I'm not john wick but I feel like I know enough to know what I continually need to practice and improve on and like I know also where to go to get that improvement practice. You know what I mean. I have the people in my life who I know are going to continually be ahead of me in skill and able to pass it on. So for sure and because, like the, I feel like you potentially do reach a point in the, like you know, in the category of guns you use for, like you know, self-defense and shoot shooting in that, in that like area, or, like you know, self-defense and shoot shooting in that, in that like area, you do end up in a lot of theoretical like situations and then just training.

1:06:14 Right, and so then a lot of repetition and you're like you can't do more than repetition Right. You know what? I mean Right, and then that's kind of like, that's like yeah, and so it just kind of and you shouldn't not do that. But then yeah, like the cool, like I'll say this like out of all the weapons I own, my remington 870 shotgun gets used for real a lot, which is really fun. Yeah, you know like, so that's what's cool. It's like that gun I take it out and I use it a lot for real and so that's like that's just fun, like going out shooting ducks, and so it's the well, yeah, I have all the other things I got.

1:06:55 My Is duck your favorite, or the easiest, it's my favorite. And, like you know, it's just like I never hear you talking about going teal. I never hear you talking about doing goose, yeah for sure. You never talk about the other waterfowl. Right, right, pelicans. Swans, don't shoot the pelicans. I wonder there's got to be a place you can shoot pelicans in the US. I've got to imagine in Louisiana or Florida. They're like, yeah, you can get a tag for pelicans make some pelican soup? Probably not in america, really is it? Is it just protected everywhere? You think I assume it's a protected migratory bird and because it's just not, yeah, there's probably no meat on it.

1:07:39 Well, there is, it's just it's yeah, it's just, it's not a table fare animal. You could eat it, though I bet, like I mean, you can eat anything, exactly so. I do like see stuff like flamingo. Sometimes I'm like flamingo, just flaming hot chicken. Oh yeah, you know what I mean Chester's flaming hot chicken. Just imagine, like, what flamingo tastes like. I bet it tastes like fish, I bet it's fish I bet it's like a very shrimpy fish bird flavor. Yeah, that's the thing is, they just eat so many fish and they've been hunted in the past, but they are, I'll tell you this, a seagull.

1:08:20 Shoot a seagull, ew. But here's the deal Parking lot bird, it's going to taste like asphalt, but let's ballpark a range on a fine. If you shoot a seagull and a game warden walks up to you, how much do you think it would cost you to shoot a seagull? How much do I think Are you? telling me to guess? No, yeah, I'm asking you. How much do you think? Are you telling me to? guess. No, yeah, I'm asking you how much do you think have they? walked up. I mean minimum 25K. Park Rangers don't miss Dude Fish and Wildlife doesn't mess around when it comes to fines.

1:09:00 A person could be charged with a Class A misdemeanor and fined up to $100,000. Wow, is one of the on here. So like, which is crazy. Another one also says another place is, uh, punishing people with five hundred dollars, but I've always heard ten thousand dollars. So a seagull, a, you know they hang out at the dump. So anyways, with pelicans you got to be careful what you're shooting and things. But you know so. As far as waterfowl goes, you know, like so teal are technically like a species of duck. We kill a lot of teal every year, but then like so what I like about duck versus goose too, is there's just a whole ton of species of duck and they all look so cool. There's different feathers, just different sizes, and the way they interact with your calls are all different, and then also it's even more so comes down to the atmosphere in which you're hunting them Most goose hunting if you want to do good goose hunting, you go out in a cornfield and lay down in a layout, blind, and that's that's fun and cool.

1:10:01 But when you're doing duck hunting it's you're so much. More often you're in the water, in the reeds, in boats, you know, and you're just. The sun is rising over this. You know this lake or pond or river, while you're hunkered down hidden in this natural vegetation or this blind, you built so like. I don't know ducks for whatever reason, I just have the duck bug and so Do you like the taste of duck? A lot I do, and it does. The funny thing about it is like in general with all game animals, because all we've eaten, like the, in general, what we eat is three.

1:10:41 We only eat three things of meat excluding fish Breakfast lunch lunch and dinner, yeah which is you know I can't believe you get that straight face and they think I'm retarded it's funny, but you know, with you have obviously beef chicken and pork. That's it now. Yes, there's a lamb and you people, some people eat. You know it's people different, different type of eat. Some people eat people. Some people eat whatever dog, fish, cat cats lately lately people been eating cats, I've heard, but, um, our palate is really just not used to to game animals. And the biggest thing when people say oh, it tastes gamey, it's because they didn't take care of the meat right and they didn't prepare it right.

1:11:27 I think the duck. I enjoyed the times I've had. It is like, uh, like the duck thighs that were fried and the fat from the duck had been used for grease to make duck fried or fries and duck grease. You know what? I mean, so is that from like a restaurant or somewhere too, or like yeah, right I just like, and I thought I remember thinking like oh, this is a very like, very, very soft, almost like borderline mushy meat, like it was. It's way softer than chicken, like tender might be a word, I mean, I think there's like tender, but I definitely think duck is borderline mushy, all right, like it's it, um.

1:12:14 And then the other times I've had duck I have thought like this is like mushy meat like this, and it's it's got. It had too much of like a. Really I don't want to say rich right, but something, some something about it just didn't vibe with me and it made me kind of nauseous. Yeah, now goose though I have liked a goose when I had it, and I don't know why, but like when I've had goose meat you know, golden brown goose I really liked it. Yeah, I thought it was like kind of a, not steak, but it did feel more, it did have more of a, honestly, just more beefy taste to it than chicken Right.

1:12:56 And teal is my favorite, though, of all of them. I've had teal eggs and I've had teal breast and dude. I mean, if you don't know, know, go out there and try teal, because teal breast, to me they look like steak and they taste like steak. It's crazy, and they taste like good steak in my opinion. Um, they were delicious, um, and I've only had them once and I treat them as a delicacy. If I ever get to have them again, I'm gonna, of course, like I've always kept an eye out for a restaurant menus here in colorado because I know sometimes they have them. I've always wanted to get them again for sure. I mean, and teal is one of like hands down, like agreed upon with hunters, like, uh, awesome meat.

1:13:38 And the mainly what people do wrong, so mainly what people do wrong with waterfowl is they treat it like chicken. They eat bugs, not green. But when you cook a chicken, what do you cook it to temperature-wise? Oh, chicken, you got to go 160. Right, and if it's anything less than that, if you cut into, chicken and it's still slimy in there. You're freaked, you're freaked out, right, you're like I'm going to die from this I do. I mean, I've gotten less freaked out about it because I've come, I've done enough research that I know if I cook it at a high, like a temperature like that, for a long time, right, it's okay, um, and you can keep it from drying up but yeah like you, I mean though when you don't trust anyone else?

1:14:25 cooking chicken, I'll say that, right, like, if someone and so that's the thing is like chicken, it's one of those foods, right, ok, like, did you cook this through, right? And so people kill a duck and they think I'm going to get salmonella from this duck if I don't cook it right. Well, salmonella doesn't just happen in the wild. Salmonella happens from being packed into cages, and so also it's a dark meat. And so when you cook duck, you really should just cook it to 120, 125 really, yeah. And so the problem is, if you cook it up to even 140, 150, which would even still be undercooked chicken, you actually you boil the blood. And here's the deal. If I took a great cut of steak and cooked it to 160 and served it to you, you'd be like not good, yeah, it'd be like that's a tire.

1:15:15 You know what I mean. So, same thing you got to cook it. I'd have grace if you put some char on it, right? if you tried it a little bit if it had a grill lines, for sure. But so that's the thing is like it's the same concept. Or with, uh, with the waterfowl, you got to cook them different. You got to treat them different, not be so afraid of them, because they're uh, they don't carry the same diseases and things, and if you handle your meat right, you'll be good to go now see, I'm a little bit of a, don't you cook turkey? to 165 probably, but also turkey's a white meat too, versus like the actual, like the meat is like. It's not talking about like light meat or dark meat, like in chicken. I'm talking about like steak versus chicken, like that, like very, very different looking animal.

1:16:00 And also turkey you cook your turkey to 160, 165, because you get your turkey from a farm where they're exposed to, they're grown in cages, they're exposed to these diseases and so you don't have to cook a wild turkey to that same amount. And wild turkey you still cook it more than a duck and like how you would chicken and things like that. But if you cook your ducks and geese like you'd cook a piece of good beef, you're going to be in the money and that's the deal. But duck season's about three, four weeks out, teal season's actually right now.

1:16:41 This week it is right now, but you can hunt teal the rest of duck season. When's upland season? Um, a little bit later, like in november. That's just a little sooner. But the uh thing around here is like really for lots of upland you hunt rabbits with a shotgun like that, like upland game yeah, yeah, you could hunt rabbits with your shotgun for sure that'd be awesome I'd love to go hair hunt gotta wait till the first, like two freezes. Kills off a lot of it Well before their winter pelt comes in. They're a lot easier to see. It's like coyotes, right? I've heard you want to hunt rabbits the same time you hunt coyotes.

1:17:24 You do, but you also, you want to around here. The plague has died off of them. Oh, really, Like you know, like worms and fleas yeah, Less of those. So you want to make sure it's cold out when you're killing rabbits. The freezes take care of the plagued ones. Well, just in general, like fleas, yeah, just different diseases, different worms they have. when it gets colder, in general it's better to kill rabbits when it's cold out good, good to know yeah, yeah, yeah, with your gun you could go out and really you could hunt anything, but you just have to be careful with the mud and I have to get. Let that turkey get a little closer before you squeeze one off. Hunter man, is it a 12 gauge or 20 gauge? it's 12 gauge, oh nice yeah, both barrels are uh gauge.

1:18:06 Sometimes the Beretta 686s. You got to check to make sure one's not 20. Oh, like one and the other. There's a couple models that are 20 and 12. Oh yeah, I did want to say this before we sign off. Mm-hmm, I feel like this is pretty funny. This man is. This is a review for the Federal Premium Heavyweight, tss no 9. And I just thought this review is hilarious and very informative for someone like myself who is wondering why the hell would I spend $13 per round on this Head. The title for the review from Jimmy S. This is on sportsmanscom for Sportsman's Warehouse. From Jimmy S. This is on sportsmanscom for Sportsman's Warehouse.

1:18:46 Thanks to TSS number nine. This old pasture pimp's plan to hang up at 65 yards didn't work so well for him. Jimmy S says the great gobstopper five stars out of five. Yes, these shells are so expensive it makes you sick, but when that old pasture pimp hangs out in a field at about 60 yards, these shells are worth it. Here's how I justify spending so much money on these things. Would I hand someone $12 to be able to shoot a big turkey? I've been working for four hours, but now he's hung up at 60 yards with hens. Oh well, the tss puts the birds on the ground.

1:19:30 My remington 870 shoots these with unreal patterns out past 70 yards. 70 yards on a turkey that's what that's a long shot. To pattern a shotgun to 70 yards, that's bonkers, bro. I don't think I've ever shot my shotgun further than like 25 yards. Yeah, but that's just too far for me. I've also got a 20 gauge that patterns out to 60 yards with this TSS. These rounds have changed the game of turkey on. Everyone I know has the same opinion. That's impressive dude, and that's the thing about turkeys too. That is totally different. Is you're shooting stuff way further away, really, about turkeys too, that was totally different. Is you're shooting stuff way further away, really, I mean, I mean, you're not gonna you're not gonna make. I hit him with the stick, I know, but the uh, but compared to like any other bird flying, you're not.

1:20:17 You're not shooting a duck at 60, 70 yards, right in my brain it sounds like you would, because of just how like they're flying at an angle, but you're not with. You're saying the load's too light and your pattern would be like too spread out and lose too much power or what? yeah, and they're just hauling ass. Sure, I mean they're. They're. Sometimes ducks are flying 30 miles an hour versus a turkey standing still, and so why doesn't no one? ever run and just chase them down. Is it illegal to chase down a turkey? Um, like, if you see him go to pasture with the hens, can you just be like fuck this and just like start hoofing ass over to like scare him away and take a shot at him, you can.

1:20:58 The thing about a turkey you have to headshot him. If you you can't body shot him, it won't kill him. Really, it's headshots only with turkeys. That's the other thing too. I didn't know that at all no, it will not kill them. Their, their feathers are so thick, so dense they're dragons, bro. Yeah, they got their feathers are dragon scales and then they can fly. So they just fly away from you. I mean, they can't really fly, I know well, that's like you can't really fly, except for when you're hunting them, and then they fly away and you're like damn it. Shit, it's one of them flying turkeys yep, oh yeah and so that's funny, bro. I mean like I remember them taking off, but they didn't go like far.

1:21:42 Like they took off and they just kind of fluttered. You know a good I don't know 30 yards before touchdown. Honestly, I wouldn't have killed that one if he hadn't taken off. He like took off right into it? I was. I was trying to do a leading toss, um, but uh, anyways, yeah, these look pretty sick, okay. This guy says uh, expensive but worth it. And then LGB, let's go, brandon. This guy says I haven't tried to pattern them at a target because of the cost, but I get that. I've gotten multiple turkeys at 40 yards. The first one was one shot, the second required two shots. Which a 40-yard shot on a turkey is a long shot.

1:22:22 That's usually what you're pushing out to. When guys are saying 60, 70,. That's pretty rare. That someone's shooting that far, so you have 40 yards is now. Now I do I'm. I am curious because I do know more about. Oh, maybe I don't, I just thought I did. But like I've talked to more people who did bow hunting for turkeys and they alluded to having to do headshots for turkeys as well with bow hunting, which makes no sense to me. I would think a broadhead could go through the feathers and wedge between them and take a turkey out. It does, it does shoot through them. Their vitals are so tiny You're going to just shoot through their wing and through like the meat of them and they're still gonna like run away, like really.

1:23:10 So, yeah, they have, they make special. Well, they make actually special I've seen the scythe one. Yeah, it's sick as hell heads for an arrow that actually, like it's like three bendy pieces of metal in a circle, and when you shoot it, the spiral of your arrow spreads it out. So you end up with like a guillotines, yeah, yeah, with a like a eight inch like diameter, spinning towards their head. So, and so you can shoot them in the you know, in the body, but you really it's like it's hard and you're going to be tracking them, and so, yeah, you still want to try to knock their noggin off. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting man.

1:23:52 I definitely am like getting the itch more and more each day. Just so you know. People say when they've tried Flamingo in Venezuela, because they hunt it for Traditional use or something. Not traditional Venezuela, because they hunt it for uh. Traditional not traditional. They hunt it because they're starving to death. It's a. It's a like a scarcity food, so like I don't think it's legal. Um, but it's weird to have being a be in a situation of scarcity and still be able to like post on a phone. Yeah, like, you know what I mean. Like and still be able to post on a phone yeah, that is work. You know what I mean. You can be starving, but you can get on your Reddit feed and tell people about what you're about to tell us about. That's the thing, man.

1:24:32 The future will have people starving on spaceships and that is insane. But yeah, you can't eat flamingos or hunt them anywhere in the US or most other countries. Eat flamingos or hunt them anywhere in the US or most other countries because flamingos they take six to seven years before they're no longer juveniles like people. Yeah, it's a long time. And they usually only lay one egg. In their lifetime. Well, at a time Okay, median season, right, so it's like one of those things where it's like very slow repopulation, you could decimate a population very quickly. Oh yeah, Did they say anything about the taste?

1:25:15 Yeah, some Venezuelans have gone to great lengths to make sure we know what they taste like and they say that flamingo has a strong, strong fishy taste and tastes nothing remotely like chicken, because flamingos just eat crustaceans and bugs and small fish all day. Yeah, and so they. It's not like a. No one wants to actually eat flamingo. Like people eat it out of desperation. They aren't interested in eating it as like a luxury. It's not a luxury food. Bird. That's like pelicans All they eat. Is that stuff too? Interesting about ducks Like. When it comes to ducks, you have two main types of ducks your puddle ducks and your diver ducks, which like where you have um, you know these.

1:26:03 You have ducks that eat grasses and grains and corn and stuff and you have other ones that just literally eat little shrimps and pond scum and nastiness and there's a distinct difference in the flavor of those two ducks. Like a teal. What is that? A teal is a duck, yeah, but no, is it a duck, dive duck? It's not a dive duck it that? A teal is a duck? Yeah, but no, is it a it's. Is it a duck, dive duck? It's not a diver, it's a pond duck. Yeah, yeah, it's eaten. It's eaten grains grasses, so dive ducks taste gross yeah, you know, like, even if it comes to bears, like if you hunt bears, um, and you're hunting bears that are eating salmon, it's going to stink.

1:26:47 When you cook it on the grill, it's going to stink like salmon. They're like old, rotten fish as you cook it. Versus if you kill a bear, eat a McDonald's. Well, that might be gnarly too, but there's other ones that live inland that are all eating blueberries. They're fat on blueberries. Even there's been reports of some that have like bluey veins in the fat. I've heard of that. I've heard of it Like having blue ooze. Yeah, which is like. You know, that's what you want. You want the blueberry flavored? I will say, bro, I've never had a bear sausage link that I didn't like. There's been a few places where I've had, like processed bear meat and I've always liked it. I've always thought it was the same thing.

1:27:28 Like I've eaten dog no, I haven't Not dog, it depends where you draw the line. I've had fox, oh wow, I thought fox was delicious. I thought fox was crazy tender. Huh, really yummy. It was very cooked over a spike not a spike, a spigot and, uh, not a spigot. Spit. Yeah, it was spit roasted, um, and it was very yummy, but really, yeah, it was. It was insane I did. There's so much fat and grease on those things, which is what I also heard from people aren't going to like this, but it's also what I heard from some friends who used to live in Mexico.

1:28:10 Or I had a buddy who lived in Ukraine as an orphan and he hunted cats with a slingshot and he said cat grease, it's like the meat's really good, it's very good, like he was. Like I want to eat it sometimes. Like I get the craving for it because of how greasy it is, and like same thing with dogs. You're saying that migrants sometimes get the craving to eat cats. I'm not saying nothing about no Asians dog. But like, what I am saying is like he would and don't get me wrong, he's like one of the most, like you know, successful people I know from childhood. He's like an engineer and all that.

1:28:51 But he was like I mean he had social awkwardness because, yeah, he like he was an orphan in Ukraine until he was like nine, surviving on the streets. He literally like came home one day from like preschool or kindergarten or something. Both his parents were dead from just alcohol, they just drank themselves dead and he like no one came for him. So he just like packed his backpack and roamed the streets of like uh, I can't remember what town he was in ukraine, but like, yeah, he's told me, he told me a ton about it. As a kid I was just like there's no way this dude was really slingshotting cats and like as a kid I was like that's crazy. And then, like the older I got, I'm like that's the most badass thing I've ever.

1:29:31 Like what an insane origin story. But yeah, he would talk about the cat grease man. He would use the cat grease to like uh, actually like um, in the winter, whenever he had really chapped skin like lips and eyelids or his fingers were really chapped skin like lips and eyelids, or his fingers were really chapped and dried out, he would, uh, bomb it with cat grease. Wow, that's wild. I learned that from Denzel Washington Book of. Eli. That's how I knew like Book of Eli knew their shit. I was like dude, that's exactly what. Ah, I shouldn't say his name. I almost said his name, yuri. Yeah. Yeah, his name's not Yuri. His name's very like Roman, it's a Roman name, but yeah, so I, and I get it too, because when I had Fox I was like this is insane, how much grease is coming off this animal.

1:30:19 So, and I've heard bears are greasy as hell. I've heard they are insanely greasy. Yeah, I mean, bear Grease Is uh was a Survivalist guy Bear Grease. Bears are greasy as hell. I've heard they are insanely greasy. Yeah, I mean, bear grease is uh was a survivalist guy. Bear grease uh, bear grills oh, grills okay yeah, but bear grease, uh, it was, uh, so. So back in the day in america, like bear was the staple food for a lot of people like who were hunting, like living off the land. They weren't, they weren't living off a deer like they would rather just because the abundance of bear plus the yield you got from the animal, and then on top of that, like just a straight flavor, it was the preferred food.

1:31:00 It'd be like if you ask some guy like hey, I've got some deer or bear right here, they'd be like give me that bear, and so I, I had it. Uh, there used to be a place in estes that had it seasonally and I would get it and their elk and I always thought the the bear they called it it was a bear hot dog, like a bear brat, and I always thought the bear brat tasted better than the elk brat yeah, and so and I've actually I've never had bear. I gotta go find some and eat it. But same thing With bear grease it rendered down the fat and you just fill jars Of it and you'd use it for you know cooking and all sorts of stuff, and that was your Source, for you know Better than cooking in canola oil.

1:31:43 It is. I bet you know Like, so like they weren't having heart Failure the way we are now you know. So yeah, bears were a pretty key part of survival in America, especially throughout, like you know, like the South, and then you know Arkansas, missouri, especially like heavy in there as well, there used to be a lot of them. I know a lot of people are super sketched out about eating scavenger predators. Eating scavenger predators. I was a little sketched out when the guy told me it was fox. But I mean, Was that in? America that you ate that. Yeah, it's not illegal to eat fox.

1:32:23 No, I would just like like I'd be less sketched out in America than if I was like some random place and they're like do you want the fox? No, I don't. Do you want the fox? Yeah, zorro, I do not want to eat, zorro, is that code? Yeah, but no, yeah, it was good he did immediately. He was like I know people are really afraid because there's a lot of assumption of worms and parasites in the meat. Believe me, it'll cook out long enough over this fire that you're good, you're not going to get worms. And I didn't get worms, and that's what I've also heard about berries. People don't want to eat bear meat because it's wormy. There's a disease that's called trichinosis. Yeah, trichinosis, but dude, people cook it just like they cook anything else, and they don't get worms?

1:33:09 Yeah, and you do cook it. That's one meat you do. You get it to a certain temperature, though you do treat it that way, to get it to a certain temperature, because you don't want that. And trigonosis isn't deadly, it's just super painful for a few weeks, and then you live the rest of your life, not with the pain, you live the rest of your life with a little buddy. Yeah, basically they burrow all in your muscles. So the painful part of trigonosis is for a couple weeks they basically burrow all into your muscles and then like, make little, like I don't know little caves for themselves, like it's very little, like they make little like cysts or whatever in your muscles, and so that part's really painful and they just kind of quote, unquote, die off and hibernate, inate in your muscle, and so then you're fine, you're just fine.

1:34:02 The rest your life, but when? you die, and if someone eats you, you get it. Yeah exactly. And so, dude, that isn't that crazy how resilient parasites are, like just pretty much immortal. Oh yeah, that's unreal to me that they could just do that and be essentially immortal until the next cycle. But yeah, that's unreal to me that they could just do that and be essentially immortal until the next cycle. But yeah, that that is the one thing I learned about book of view from book of eli too. There's so much I learned from that movie. Oh yeah, but just check people's hands. Oh yeah, shaky bro check their hands shaky which I looked that up and I was like that's got to be fantasy, that's got to be like a made-up symptom of cannibalism. Nope, straight up, it's because of the prions oh yeah eating anything that's like related to brain matter, so like especially pulling meat off the spine, apparently, and they really have a lot of prion related diseases to it, then it can.

1:34:48 It really gets in there and messes with your hand jitteriness. Yeah, don't eat any brains of any animal you ever kill. Just not worth it. No, it's too sketchy you'll see that guy. He does the tours on youtube and he goes to different countries to try their food for like a week and he just goes balls to the wall all out. And there's the one where he went to the tribe in africa and they just fucking crunch this monkey skull open and like, yeah, eat monkey brains. You can see he was like this is the most test that I've ever bet in my life and like he just ate some monkey brains eventually. And I was just like that's unreal. He's never said no to anything once. Like he, he always tries something and then, if it's not, there's too much of a risk or not, something he liked?

1:35:31 he'll just be like thank you, I'm all right. Right, but he's always. Every time he people offer him something, he always eats it. And it's too much of a risk or not something he liked? He'll just be like thank you, I'm all right, but every time people offer him something, he always eats it. And the monkey brains thing was unreal Because it wasn't like even cooked, it was just he's holding this limp monkey and they had just cut its scalp off and it was like you're just like. This looks like he's eating a cat. And the thing about primates are a little too close for comfort. You wouldn't eat baboon I'd I'd eat baboon before I ate people well, yeah, but yeah, well, yeah, I'd do that that's a little sounded like you're really trying to convince me there no, just like well, yeah, no, of course. Yeah, what I'm saying is like you really jumped there from like eating an animal to eating a soul, but I got to A soul.

1:36:18 But I don't know. Primate stuff freaks me out Ever since I saw Indiana Jones' Temple of Doom. Can't do it. Dude, I don't think I'd have any trouble eating monkey or gorilla or primate Like if I was given the opportunity now. Monkey brains, no way. But if people it was like cooked meat and they're like here try this strip of monkey, I'd be like all right, I probably. If they handed me a strip I'd be fine, but it's hard to watch, like if you watch a monkey get cooked whole yeah. A monkey get cooked whole. Yeah, just like whole who cooks a monkey, whole People who eat monkeys. Well, okay, little monkeys get cooked whole, but no one's going around with a chimpanzee and just putting it on a spit it looks like a baby.

1:37:03 I don't know, babies aren't that skinny. I really could disassociate the two of them. I don't know, it's hard. I'd do it if I had to or if I felt like the tribe was going to. You know, yeah, they're going to get me for not doing it. I'd do it, but I'm not going to order it off the menu. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's for sure. It was pretty freaking diabolical, though it was super metal just seeing this tribal shaman and he's killed lions and he's just got the skulls of other men and the skulls of monkeys on all of his clothing. He's like eat this. And I was like you better not say no, bro.

1:37:46 Yeah, You're not going to make it out. This dude has dealt with like way more insane things than you ever like this guy. Think about this how many people do you know are literally tanning human skulls Zero? Exactly, and that guy does it probably a couple of times a year. Yeah. He probably knows the names of those people. still he's like he can still pick them out. This is uncle Fred. Yeah, yeah, totally, totally different world. Insane world. Okay, all right. Double back though. Best tasting bird in your opinion? I'm looking at a list here of Google's generated AI, and they rank the birds from top to bottom what they think the best tasting top birds are For wild game or yeah, yeah, no there's no chicken here um the.

1:38:41 I've actually never had wild turkey, but wild turkey ranks super high typically with with people um, but the why do you think it's? how is that any different than farm-grown turkey? I I'd say that like I've had wild chicken, right, I guess I'd say in the same way that like, for whatever reason, when people talk about it, like you've had an egg from the store and then you've had, like you've had an egg from like farmer, from your, like your buddy who owns chickens, like when you crack that thing open it just looks different, it does taste better. You know what I mean. It's basically that comparison to farm raised to that. But so turkey typically ranks pretty high. But um, and are they going like like pretty specific species here too?

1:39:26 Like not duck, or like? Are they saying like like teal is like teals? it's not. It's not generic, it's very specific, you know, and so is it outside of North America also. I don't think so. I think all of these can be found in North America. Okay, I'm questionable, right? Because some of them I've never heard before, right, and for some, like ptarmigan, could be way up there because it's, uh, it tastes a lot like chicken. So if you're someone who's, if ai is thinking what tastes good, ptarmigan is like, um, you know, like ptarmigan uh weak pick, bro ptarmigan didn't even make the list, hey man didn't make honorable mentions you have things like so you have ptarmigan, pheasant and and grouse.

1:40:12 Grouse, is there Pheasant? Is there. They're all very high. They're all very high because they are a lot like chicken and so I think those things typically are in Cairo, so I'm going to go with some of those. Okay. So pheasant and grouse. I want these to also be your picks of what you've tasted. I'm analyzing what the computer thinks humans like no no, no, I want you to pick what you think the best tasting birds are and I'll tell you if their good picks are bad, based off of what the computer says. So, like you said earlier, teal is. Is that? your number one. I, I'll go number one with teal. All right, yeah, teal's up there.

1:40:53 Then, mallard, I'll go number one with teal alright, yeah, teal's up there, then mallard. Teal and mallard are up there on your um, but the actually number one on the list that I've never had should be sandhill crane. I wonder if sandhill crane's on there not on the list cause sandhill crane is raved about. It's like all it's, it's called the rib ribeye of the sky. How can we eat cranes? But? we can't eat pelicans? Well, these are different because there's I, I don't know. Someone decide these people decide the laws, I don't gotta imagine cranes are just as fragile and endangered as pelicans sandhill cranes really aren't there's. There's ass loads of them really in colorado.

1:41:34 All every once I'll see like three or four in a field, but like once you go like south and east of here, lots of them. Yeah, you like they look like flocks of geese flying over, oh really. But they literally taste like a ribeye steak. That'd be awesome. So we should try that. We should go get some, I think we should. So sandhill cranes I've always wanted to try. I've heard that it's a really good bird I bet they're not in super nasty water either, because, like cranes aren't usually in nearly as nasty of water as, like ducks, right and the and these sandhills, they eat all, like they just eat on cornfields, yeah, as they migrate like they really don't eat in water, like a herring or whatever kind of cranny type bird. Um, I'm trying to think of other let me throw this one out there.

1:42:16 I've never heard of this before. Yeah, canvas back. Yeah, known as the king of ducks. Canvas back is a they're, they're big, they're big ducks, um, and there there's not a lot of canvas, would you say. I don't know mighty, I mighty, mighty, can't the Mighty Ducks? You might Not a lot of canvasbacks in Colorado, but I've wanted to go after those ones. You've never eaten one. I've never eaten one either. I don't even know. I've never heard of them. They're cool. They kind of have a red head and black feathers on the neck and then kind of white on the back, but they're big, um, popular ducks, you know. Another popular eating duck is wood duck and pintail.

1:42:59 Pintails on here, pintail pintail and model mallards and wood ducks. It goes mallards, pintails, wood ducks and tearing of taste here so far mallards, pintail wood duck, yeah of the other ducks right. Teal was at the top. Okay it goes. Teal canvasback, pheasant grouse, and. And then think of the Indian insult word for a nagging woman, not Indian, sorry, native American Squab. Yeah squab, squab, squab, oh squab, I don't know what a squab is Delicacy that's tender, moist and richer in taste than many other poultry meats. I've got to look up a squab. You're right, they call them squaw. Squaw's the wife. I've got squab mixed up and then other like I mean like Cornish game hen, but that's really like not actually a game animal anymore, immature domestic pigeon.

1:43:50 Yeah, this squab thing, is this a game animal? I guess it's not game. This is it's. This might be cornish game, honey too comes from the word scob squab from sweden. Okay, dude, you're looking at pictures of them. That is a. That's like a peep. That's a real world walking around. Peep that is an insanely rounded smooth bird, and when you cook it whole it fits on a teacup plate oh, that's awesome. Is there an image of it cooked? Oh, yeah squab yeah, that's like the most classic looking cartoon, like bones in bronze flesh. Oh yeah, it's super tiny.

1:44:32 All right, what else is on the list? Next one After Squab. So those are the top One, two, three, four, five, and then after that is Bob White Quail. Yep, so quail? Unfortunately, quail are super, super rare. You can get farm-raised quail. I was going to say I know some people with quail right now. You can get farm-raised quail but, like hunting, quail used to be a big thing but the quail populations have been decimated over the years. It's very like. Yeah, I did realize I do like quail eggs a lot I do like quail eggs, especially since the pickled quail eggs. Those are so good, those are like a league above other pickled eggs. One of the best things I've had in my life was in a sushi restaurant was a quail egg shooter in Jackson, wyoming, and you shoot this raw quail egg down with some other stuff in it.

1:45:22 It's wild. That sounds awesome. I've dreamt about it. I need to go back and have it. This was a sushi place. Yeah, sounds like a Japanese aphrodisiac Raw quail egg Make you a strong man tonight. It did. I was 13, I don't know. I was a strong man every night when I was 13. Alright, what else is on the list? Sharptail, grouse, mallard's pintails, wood ducks, wild turkey Morning dove and ring neck pheasant Ring neck pheasant. I feel like I hit some of them Ducks, wild turkey morning dove and ringneck pheasant, ringneck, pheasant. Alright, I feel like I hit some of them in there. I'm surprised they don't have this sandhill crane.

1:46:04 I know because sandhill crane is, people rave, rave, rave about it, but it's not super popular. It's not super known super popular. It's grown in popularity over the last seven years of being a known hunted game animal. But so all sorts of things out there. When's pheasant season out here? Because I mean that's the main thing. I want to take that gun, pheasant hunting it's. I want to say November-y, november-ish, november-ish. Yeah, here's the thing out here. That's hard is with pheasant. It's like Lots of times you got to go pay to go shoot on a pheasant ranch.

1:46:52 Oh really. Yeah, it's that hard out here. What if we go east? to like nebraska? Yep, you can't. But the problem is the, as you travel east, public land diminishes. So the cool thing about the west is we have lots of public lands that are protected for us to hunt on we do. The further and further you head east, you have less and less access. Um, and then the few places that are public are more and more hammered, and so pheasant, you know, and pheasant isn't even from america, pheasants were imported from china, and so they're cool. They're very pretty cool bird to hunt straight up pokemon bird. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like just the way they grow their feathers and appendages, like like this.

1:47:33 This looks like a cartoon. This doesn't look like a real thing. This looks like something roll doll drew. You know it's wild looking and so yeah, with pheasant, really like the best way to go do it is you can do on public land, but for the most part you go pay some money and walk the way and there's different levels of like paying to hunt too. We're like, honestly, sometimes the pheasants. You can put a pheasant to sleep. They take the pheasant out of, out of the pen. I told you this, that Roald Dahl book. Yeah, so you take uh ibuprofen in raisins. For real. And so it's like, like there's, there's a there's a spectrum of things here where sometimes you take the pheasant out of the pen, you tuck their head under, rock them and then, like some guy goes out there and sets them every hundred yards.

1:48:23 They set a pheasant out there. Oh my gosh, that's insane. And they set them and hide them and you go. So this really takes the hunting out of hunting, and so you go, walk and then you pay for 10 pheasants. They set 10 pheasants out that's not guaranteed, 10 in your bag or whatever you're paid for that day or like whatever there's also, you know. So you go out there and as they fly you try to shoot them, and then there's an oh, all the way over to you can go to like a place where they're like, hey, like we, you know, cultivated habitat for pheasants here and and you can go out and, you know, hunt them that way. This sounds pretty lame but, also like imagine this yeah, I call you up one morning Cheerio pot Top of the morning to you, mate.

1:49:12 Better grab your cup of tea and let's get in the wagon and head on over and, like you, literally wake up and you put a gosh damn peaky blinder on top of your head. Yeah, we throw on our pea coats, wool vest, yeah, and our wool vest and we go walk in with our leather bags and our hounds. Yeah, and that'd be a fun day. Oh yeah, I would 100% buy an outfit just to go do that. Oh, definitely. As a meme, people Not try hard, just as a meme with the boys, for sure. And this is what we were talking about earlier. When you get into the world of hunting the holes or rabbit holes, or there's guys who are like I'm a purist public land hunter, like I will never.

1:49:59 Like, do that. Other guys all the way over. Like every year I go down to texas and I kill this wild ass, like goat that came from africa yeah, that's awesome. Like it's basically in a pen. Like you, you pay five grand and you just go shoot that thing. Oh, that's not awesome. And then you get it and you hang it on your like it's like in a 10 acre property of high fence, and so there's just like. And then ethics and whatever different things, like it's a whole world of you. Just you got to dive into it and like, start to decipher for yourself what you want out of it or not. And then like like you'll do, you know, you'll go hunt, you know mountain elk for 10 years and never see one.

1:50:39 And you'll be like screw it, I'm going down, I'm paying the man so I can shoot his pheasants. Yeah, you know. Yeah, that's funny. I do think. If I that's how I think of wealthy like here's my real line of wealth and I'm, I know, I'm, I know, I am wealthy by a lot of people's standards, um, and that you know the fact that I even have a mortgage that I can forward each month for a home, that's not, you know, a shack for a lot of people like, oh wow, you're wealthy, right, you don't have a home in the Hampt. You know a shack for a lot of people like, oh wow, you're wealthy. Right, you don't have a home in the Hamptons. No, I don't. You ain't got no yacht. No, I don't. But like I mean, you know, I'm doing better than like eating flamingos.

1:51:24 I'm doing better than any man before me and my family. You know what I mean, right? My ancestors, so far as we know, I don't know my dad, but all that said, my real line of understanding like if I have wealth or not is if I have the money to go and do one of the big ten hunts in Africa and actually bring the thing back. That's how I'll know I have real wealth, right? You know what I mean. um, I don't have that money, yeah if you can get freaking slaughtered on an npr article for yeah, you know if I can go get a water buffalo and that same water buffalo is stuffed and shipped back to the us.

1:52:10 that's's money, that's insane money For sure. Yeah, and that's the world of hunting. It's all the way over to that stuff, all the way down to like you? Would you ever do something like that? I'm not talking a you know. Guaranteed we tie it to the rope out here, right and you just hike over the hill and get it. This one's named. Larry, yeah, but like, uh, you know someone's like hello, come with me, I will show you what they drink and you go out like on a three-day trek to go find it and get it. I I definitely would. I definitely would, and especially like uh, because a lot of people, when they hear that stuff, like I'd be, like I'll kill an elephant, I'll kill a rhinoceros, I'll shoot a giraffe.

1:52:55 I will support all of those because it's ecological preservations. Right and so what a lot of people don't understand about that type of hunting is Every dollar goes to protecting those species, right yeah, as much as we could hope, with like potential corruption and yeah, for sure, but so, like to break this down, we'd be like, yeah, but so yes, there's that those hunts are like starting pay like 100 grand type stuff so 100k into a community, that's a lot of money. Now also lots of those animals you look around in africa too. Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you. Oh yeah, but it's just like you look in africa and like those preserved communities are the wealthiest out of almost any other community in africa, like you always look at like the people who are running that preserve and not just facilitating the hunts but protecting the animals from poachers, they are the most well-equipped, sustainable and healthiest communities in a lot of those rural African areas.

1:53:59 No, for sure, For sure. And a part of that is from dollars coming in from people who they can just have that FU money where they can just drop that type of thing, and there's also different ranges of these type of African hunts too. And there's also different ranges of these type of African hunts too. But if you're going for those big, big ones typically one you're always going to be guided out there by someone who knows. The specific animal you end up taking will be typically a male who has played out there. He's not making babies anymore. There's better younger men Because they're older, and lots of times what happens is those old bulls will become crotchety, crotchety and they fight off the young men.

1:54:41 They, they, they disrupt the herd and, uh, they take away mating opportunities for the veral um individuals in the population and so it actually hurts the herd. So you're taking these mature animals that have kind of played out their um benefit to the herd and then also, once you kill that animal, um, you don't take the meat home, which what happens with that meat is. It goes to the people there and so, like these villages will live off, they'll all come out there and butcher these animals down and get to um. They get to live off of the meat and then you've, so you've dropped a buttload of money in the area, then you've, then they get to have meat for to eat, to live off of um, and you've provided sustainability for the herd, and so you know it's like you get to take your mount home.

1:55:32 Yeah, I take your mount home. I don't have a problem with it In that sense, you know. How about baboons, though? Have you seen the baboon hunts? That's unreal bro With the runners. I don't know if I can keep up with those guys. No, dude, you take a rifle. Take a rifle, mate. Look at my hat. I have a Rhodesia. I was just about to bring up Rhodesia. Lion Lager was a. All right, beer like brewery in Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe for you uneducated swines. Yeah, man, you take a rifle out and a guide and they take you to where the puck, where they rest, and you just put the crawlers over them, you fire and they clutch their chest like people.

1:56:17 They put their hands over their wounds Like a poor man's house games. They look at their hands. They do. No, bro, it's insane bro. I've watched the videos and, like baboons, when they get shot, they have the same reaction people do. Unless it's an instant takeout Right. I don't know, unless it's an instant takeout Right I don't know, man. It's weird, bro, it's really weird, I don't know if I could do it, I think I could do it, but if I did it without having some sort of emotional reaction to it, I'd realize I need to do some reevaluating. I also just think in my head. I'm like they're baby killers. They literally go and kidnap babies. So like I think I could, let me rephrase it. I could definitely do it. I would just have to tell that to myself over and over and over again Baboons literally will kidnap babies and eat them.

1:57:01 Have you ever seen the videos of them kidnapping dogs? Yeah. That's brutal dude the way they drag dogs around. That tears me up, it's so hard to watch. Well, they don't even eat the dogs. They literally use the dogs as bait to get lions or hyenas. Oh yeah, did you know that they're pretty smart primates? They're insane. That's unreal to me that they will use dogs as baits for bigger animals. It's wild. Anyways, a lot of good conversation in this episode. Anyways, a lot of good conversation in this episode. You know, we kind of ran the full litmus across what was our first conversation we were talking about.

1:57:46 AI, dungeons and Dragons and, you know, across firearms and hunting and different kind of types of hunting. So all I said, pat, very educational. Uh appreciate taking the time to uh explain to a a novice you know the, the ways circle of life. Yeah, um, but anyways, ken, uh, thanks for listening. We appreciate you listening. We're excited about the things we got on the pipeline. Um, as, and we're excited about the things we got on the pipeline as a little PSA probably won't have an episode for the next week or two weeks, just because I'll be on my anniversary in Virginia Nice.

1:58:26 And, yeah, a little vacation there, so enjoy listening to some retro episodes. But yeah, Pat, anything you want to sign off with till next time.