The Mick & Pat Show - Dog Adventures, Dark Confessions, and Political Divides

0:02 are you tapping your foot? do you hear that? yeah, I thought someone was like walking downstairs so I was about to go get him dude. Last night actually, I spooked myself. I was listening, I was watching, you know like I do every night just one minute youtube shorts of breaking bad um yeah, we like awful super, like deep fried contrast on them and awful music. It's just like why does this stimulate my brain? and the whole time you're thinking I should watch that show and you're like I'm not going to why am I watching a minute clip of the show with, like that's the music in the background?

0:46 right and like it looks like someone dunked the, like actual video footage and like yeah, deep fryer yeah and it's just like. Their wrinkles are literally, like you know, boldened black lines on their faces and like but something about my brain is like no, this is a fever dream like this is what and it's almost like. It's like what it looks like in your mind's eye when you're imagining something, right? Um, but anyways, I was listening. I was watching one of those and I heard like this, like sound, and I was like what the fuck? And it literally sounded like someone had just pushed like my screen door in or something like that.

1:26 Like it, like it was just like a thing where my brain was like, oh, that's someone pushing through the screen door, like because it's locked, and so I was like but how else did I get it? And I kind of sat up and billy jean was already asleep and I hear again like a, and I'm like what the? So I pull my headphones off and I'm looking around and I'm listening. I like got the drawer open to grab my gun and I'm you know, I'm in my skivvies. I'm like all right, like I do have a buddy who's about to get married and he's staying the night with me. He's been staying the night with me for the last couple of weeks because, you know, I want to honor his marriage and honor God and not be making sweet babies before marriage and living together.

2:09 So he's living with me rather than the apartment they'll be in, and I was like I don't want to blow away my homie, I don't want JB to be splattered on the wall. But I knew he was already home and he was apparently in bed and he I can't imagine what to get up after going to bed and so I walked out and I hear nothing. I'm looking, I'm like I see everything's closed, like doorways from the upstairs. So I go back and I like wait a second. I like uh, rewind the video and it's just. And it's just. It was like the most perfect subtle surround sound that it just was out of key with like the rest of the track and scene.

2:50 But it was legit like all in the in the track. But I mean it gave me spine chills, you know what I mean? oh yeah, it's one of those ones where you're like what the fuck? What was that? You know, like a dog, um so yeah, dude. I think like it should be illegal also in radio commercials. But police sirens, yeah, and or cars honking. Oh, is that something that gets you when you're driving around? Oh, yeah, I'm driving someone, like it's like a honk or like a vroom by and you're, like you like, about to swerve out of the way or something. Yeah, cause it. Every once in a while your old ears play a trick on you no, that's true, the police sirens, one gets me. But I've heard a couple people tell us no, I don't know if they tell you this, but I've had a couple people tell me that our ad break.

3:34 Um oh, ours might get them well, it's the, it's the lighter, but it was at one point the car siren yeah, it had a little bit of like yeah and um, I don't know if that stays is still live on an episode or not, because I think all of them updated to the lighter, but I did have someone tell me once. They're like dude, the siren got me like you gotta change that. And I was like, am I saying something should be illegal that I have done. Exactly, bro, it's hypocrite, freaking hypocritical dude. Uh though, speaking of um, speaking of dogs I don't want to say hypocrites. But I'm getting a dog.

4:16 You're getting a dog? Yeah, I gotta pick up my dog on monday oh dang dude, that's a big commitment yeah, no, she's, we've been. My wife's been wanting to get one for a while and she was looking at dogs. And we've looked at dogs for the last couple of years, oh yeah, or even a cat, right, and we didn't get one just because we were on a third floor apartment and I was like, dude, I'm not going to put a dog in an apartment. It's a rotten life for a dog. Yeah, apartment, it's a rotten life for a dog, yeah, and like have to walk it downstairs and walk it back up three, four times a day, um, and it was just one of those things. There wasn't much space and it wasn't like a great amount of space for a cat either. Like there's nowhere really to privately put the litter box and not have the smell be bad.

4:56 Yeah, so now that we're in a house you know 2600 square feet we got like a garage and stuff and I'm like you know, even if you have a dog that doesn't do good inside, you can put it in your garage when you're gone with like food and things like that, and just make sure like anything it could like knock over and hurt itself with yeah just secured. um, you know, like I would plan on ever doing that, you know, but it's just like one of those things, like a lot of people, I think, make excuses why they can't get a dog, like, oh, I leave so much and stuff and I wouldn't want to leave him in the living room where he could just chew my couch up. I'm like you still have a good dog. If you can't put him outside, just put him in an environment where it's okay.

5:37 If he behaves like a dog, he can't break anything. Anyways, all that said, I knew Billie Jean was really getting serious because she saw a dog one night when we were in bed and she started getting kind of teary eyed because it looked like a dog she had as a kid. I could tell there was a lot of emotional investment already starting to happen, and so I I was like, alright, like let's do some research, make a list of dogs we want to look at, cause you gotta, you gotta, apply for dogs. Um and uh, you have to like apply for dogs Like you apply for like a loan.

6:17 Sorry, Like for like a. Did you go like a rescue or adoption? All options in Colorado now are like you have to go through like a shelter. You can't like go through a breeder anymore and uh, with that, like you have to apply to most shelters, like they have an application process of like 10 or so questions and you have to like answer like questions like uh, what would you what? What will happen to the dog if you adopt the animal and both you and your partner die? Yeah, who will get the dog if you get a divorce? Yeah, it's all questions like that. And the question is like what's your experience with pets?

6:58 Please list it below. And it's like a table and it's like pet's name, age of pet alive or dead, age when it died, and it's just like breed. And it's like a table and it's like pet's name, age of pet alive or dead, age when it died, and it's just like breed. And it's like they want all the info and I'm like all right, like you know, I told billie jean, if you're serious, let's get a list of the dogs together that we'd look at, and then, um, let's start doing some applications. And she wasted no time and I was like, oh okay, all right, she's really serious and now she needs to know like I'm on board too, like I'm not just like trying to occupy her while I forget about it. Like once I see like she's very serious about it. I'm like, okay, right. So I told her I was like, let's get a dog bed, but rather than getting one, because she's such a good seamstress, I was like how about you sell us a dog bed, oh nice, and we'll save the money and we'll use the stuffing we have, because we have a ton of extra like polyfill stuffing and she's got a ton of fabric left over and she's like that's a great idea.

7:50 So she did it in one day. Oh wow, it was a big, really nice. It's a dog bed that'd be like 80 bucks. You know what I mean. Nice Very well, like reinforced stitching and it's got like the quilting pattern in it you know of, like like little holes that like what's called. It's like pinned, oh yeah, you know, like like fancy cow cushions. Yeah, um and uh, I was just like all right, we're like we're doing this. So we went and saw a couple and the first one we saw we really liked, and then a couple of the other ones we saw, but they had like other, like they had somebody have real issues like not really good on the leash and like like I mean just not able to walk on a leash, like literally a dog that just like chaos, stressed, running around.

8:32 You're not getting. Are you getting a puppy? You're getting a. No, we're not getting a puppy we looked at a couple puppies, just in case uh-huh. And then, dude, we found. We found sadie. Oh wow, now say he probably won't be her name but it's her name at the shelter that they just assigned right, but she's an Anatolian Shepherd, so she's like a. Turkish livestock guardian dog. Yeah, that's a pretty serious breed. She's like that and a Great Pyrenees mix, nice, which is also another livestock dog, and we were like we'll see, we read her stuff online. It was like she doesn't like to be home alone. She needs to be able to see out the windows.

9:14 She has anxiety if the owner of the home's not around. Yeah, but it's like, she's very sweet, she's very gentle, she gets along with cats and dogs. She, you know, is very gentle around all people. No fierce skittishness around people. I was like, all right, let's see. So we meet up with this dude who's been looking after her and he it's like fostering. Yeah, fostering yes, and he's like we would adopt her, but we're retired and we're trying to travel more and she's really a dog who needs someone home quite a bit, um, to get her used to it and adjusted to the environment and okay with being left alone like you won't be able to leave her alone for a while, yeah, for like the first couple months or so, maybe, like you will want someone home with her for a while, or not like alone for very long.

10:03 I was like okay, cool. But I was like asking about. I was like what's this behavior, you know? He's like well, not in my house since I've been fostering her, but in the previous one I don't think they had a lot of time to like kind of help her get acclimated and she like knocked down blinds trying to look out windows it's a big dog she's like 85 pounds yeah yeah if you saw her, though, she looks just like a. I mean she's big, but she's not like you know, we're not talking like a. What's the word Not Doberman, great Dane, right? No, no, no, not that big, but still like Not a small dog, I think she'd. Fuck a Great Dane up though. Oh yeah, like it's great Cause we were at. When we were at the shelter she wasn't there. She was being fostered, of course, but then when they like, so she wasn't having to stay there.

10:46 And when we met them up at the shelter and we were walking around with her, there was all these other dogs, these like pit bulls and all these dogs, just you know, like losing their mind. But I would do to Sadie She'd like walk right up to like, not even like perk up to like, not even like perk up friend or anything. She would walk over to the cage and just look at him, just like kind of sniff around while they're like losing their mind, like feral fangs out bro. She showed no aggression and would just like walk away. And uh, the guy he was like yeah, so see how she doesn't care. He's like if she cares, you'll know like. And he's like I've seen it once where she rolls back her front shoulders and, rather than like a pity, where it goes in like from like you know, the feet going in, her feet roll out and the chest comes out and the like ears her ears is so floppy and hanging but her ears roll back and face forward and her eyes go wide and, uh she, they're like, he's like, that's like.

11:47 If they think like it's, this is wolf mode you know what I mean and I'm like, oh sick, it's a, it's a kind of all or nothing. Yeah, that's cool thing about those shepherd dogs. Uh, you know, I've been around pyrenees before. I had a bernie's mountain dog that's partial pyrenees and then also I've been in the mountains before and ran into, uh, mountains and ranch lands, farmlands, running into paronies, dogs and like shepherds and they are super relaxed until it's time to not be relaxed yeah until like it's like legit, like you've you've demonstrated that, like you could be a threat and that's why I think they're great like family dogs and like if you want a dog, that oh yeah, so she's got she's got like the sad floppy ear face, but like she's so cute, um, and he showed me a picture, these aren't one of those but like when she's on mode, when she's at like what is that?

12:39 And she's on like kind of patrol guard mode, she looks. She looks like the thing, you know, she looks like the thing. You know she looks like the classic depiction Turns on. Yeah, keep going. Sorry, I just wanted to show you those pictures. Yeah, for sure, because around a family, things like that, if you want a dog, that's going to kind of like be defensive of your family but you don't want to have to, you know, train a Malinois or a German Shepherd or whatever like to be like you know and really like have it reined in, like the cool thing about other Shepherds is like they really don't care, but they really can have a really good instinct, like for when it really is time to be serious about something. Yeah, and like I also, I've been doing a lot of research into this breed because I knew we were looking at her and we were.

13:25 We had looked at another one already and, um, there's not. They need a job because they're high energy in the brain, Like their brain is wired to patrol and keep track of and secure, but like they're not like other shepherding dogs or uh, herd dogs Like, so she, they don't shepherd and herd in like the nipping going for the ankles or the barking like they don't bark to direct the herd um, you know, they like. If you ever see videos of anatolian shepherds or great pyrenees, this is for people who don't know what we're talking about. if you look it up, you often find them and they look like they are like almost hiding and blending in with the sheep you know, know what I mean, and like they literally blend in so well that they just kind of go with their herd or the flock where it travels.

14:14 And then if danger arrives, because danger thinks, oh, that's a bunch of sheep, I can do whatever I want, then they come out. And you see them come out of the flock. Like you're like, oh shit, like those aren't sheep, like they're watching me and they're big yeah, cause they're really not herd dog, they're not herding dogs, they're shepherding dogs. So they like exactly they're. they're not out there. You know like, have you seen the movie babe? Yeah, you know like. Out there, you know. yeah, like you said, nipping and corralling, they're like they're just more out there, they're just chilling on the hillside, yeah and I in like, even though, like some other shepherding dogs like german shepherds, I think are pretty high energy and pretty vocal like german shepherds like bark to sound, alarm or communicate, like they really do talk to their owners and stuff, and the and like the malinois uh, sorry, not the malinois the great pyrenees and the anatolian shepherds.

15:07 From what I've just been reading online and other people who had them, and from what I hear from the people who've been fostering sadie, it's more like a like, you know, like that most she's spoken, or I said anything is just like a oh, you know, to let people know. Like hey, I think someone's at the door and she'll go and stand at the window and stand at the door and hoof at it until you come by and like. But once you come by and stand next to her and acknowledge like she's, she's there, she chills out, but she legit like needs. It's like if you don't come to the door, she just stays there waiting for you to come and kind of relieve her of duty, which I, I really like that kind of concept of right and like that she's not going to need like a ton of super high energy like um, you know a lot of high energy like fetch play, but like what?

15:59 Like everyone says online is like you just need to take them on. Like the same walk three times a day, like give them the same one mile, two mile circuit like two or three times a day so that way and they can get the brain like observation stuff out of their head. And she was great on a leash, bro, like she's a big dog and even though I wasn't like who she's used to walking her, that guy took off ahead of us and I had the leash and she never pulled. She went at my pace and if I stopped she stopped. If she stopped to smell something and I whistled or said her name, she was like all right, we're going on. And so it's like it's really cool to see like she's already got like really good instinctual kind of uh behavior for like what makes a good dog a good dog.

16:47 And I'm also just excited to work with her on the other stuff. Like apparently she's like just one a big weenie, like when it comes to sleeping alone. Like she just wants to sleep in. She doesn't want to sleep in the bed with you, to be in the room, she just wants to be in the room but she doesn't want to. She doesn't like being in like a human bed. And then the other thing is she's just scared of stairs, oh yeah, which I kind of like. The idea of working with her to get over it, Like that's just like a cool bonding thing. I think that you get to do with the dog, Cause you know a lot of people don't realize it but like puppies are terrified of stairs. They just get over it at a young age from learning it yeah, from learning it and, like a lot of dogs, if they don't, if they're not raised around stairs, stairs are weird and scary yeah, so I'm kind of looking forward to that stuff.

17:32 But we're really excited. Uh, we bought all the food bowls and a leash and collar already and we'll take her to pick out a toy and we're gonna get the food samples right to figure out which one is best for her. But anyways, yeah. I think I have a couple names. I was all someone's going to be like this is baloney. Someone's going to. Sadie's a name for a cat. Sadie's a name for a cat or a woman. Like you know or cat woman, but I want like a. I want a strong consonant name oh yeah and I also really like a lot of uh, like, um, the, the enunciation and uh, consonant sounding of like a lot of native and native american words.

18:21 Oh, nice and um. I'm also apparently like a 16th or whatever, or an eighth, I can't remember, but like I, I know, like, like a little less, because then you get free college well, I think I could have gotten free college. Oh wow, according to, like, my mom and uncles and stuff and my own, my actual grandpa uh, there's just like no like genealogy record of it right now, right, which is why I kind of want to do the 23andMe Right. I like this one called. I'll get a double check, but I'm pretty sure it's Takani. Oh yeah. Takani is just like two, very like significant, distinguished sounding consonants, but it has a soft ending and that soft ending I think is like feminine and so it's a good name for a female dog.

19:11 But takani, I think, is like a very clear consonant sound amongst the other names of like bob and fred and bubba, and duke you know, I mean names that end in an I sound, for dogs are good. Why is that? They just kind of like you can say it with a little bit of that playful and inflection at the end, and they like it and they come to you for it. Yeah, what's it mean, though? I'm pretty sure, if I remember correctly, it is one of the northern Inuit tribes, word for bear, but I have to double check that one. I wasn't trying to go off of meaning as much because I didn't want it to be like I don't know, I don't believe in it, like a lot of like your dog's name needs to have, like a significant meaning, like I do like the name Dakota Dakota for a male dog, because Dakota means friends with, with everybody, and that's like a good I mean takota is a good, you know, friendly dog name.

20:12 Um, here's on a brief word search. Yeah, um, now, anatolia hails from now, the modern day turkey. Yep, now, turkish people don't like to necessarily be like lumped in with everybody else going to be their thing. But to Connie is a Persian word which Turkey, being a lot closer to Persian areas and having you know this Semitic language background, means shaking the house, which that's kind of fitting for, like a big ass dog, exactly. It's kind of cool, she's shaking the house when she puts in that wolf mode dude. Uh, I guess, I guess takani is also, uh, some native american tribal word for wolf, that's the other thing is, like a lot of native american tribes, it's the eskimo word for wolf.

21:02 Um, there's a a lot of overlapping words because you know they're like the tribes had a lot of blending of different languages, right, and like you could have people quote unquote underneath the um, like uh, what was it? Um apache tribe? But like there's different kind of more smaller tribes underneath the term apache tribe, right, so like there's different kind of more smaller tribes underneath the term apache tribe, right. So like there's a couple words I looked up that was like like the most common pet name for a dog from like the apache tribe was one that just literally translated like directly to shit pet. Yeah, because it literally, like in apache, meant like this is the animal that eats its own shit and I was like that's hilarious, like, but, um, you know there, but there's other ones like, uh, algonquin and iroquois and all that like have different cool names, but um, anyways, yeah, so I do like that that's cool, it's kind of cool but of cool.

22:03 But my wife hit me with one that I'm having a hard time saying now too. She said what about the name Desi, like from East of Eden? I'm like damn. Like right in the feels. Like even though Desi is not as much of that strong consonant sound. Desi was a phenomenal girl. She's probably the best girl. I'm just like Ed there's like. That book has a lot of significance to me, so it's kind of hard to not think of that being as a decent name not a bad name. Not a bad name got that eye inflection in there too, I'm telling you people like that, people like the eye on the end of the dog names, for some reason like.

22:46 Dookie, yeah, exactly uh, are you so are you? You've never owned a dog since I've known you? Yeah, I haven't. I don't know if you're a dog person. I haven't owned a dog in my uh, adult life. I guess you could say I've never personally owned a dog. We had family dogs growing up, yeah. Me too, like I never had a dog. That was supposed to be like this is your dog and if you don't take care of it, it goes away. Yeah, I had dogs. I was the primary caretaker responsible for you know, like family, just like my mom would buy the food, but like I fed the dog, I walked the dog, I walked the dog, I clean up the dog's poop, right, you know.

23:28 But it was never like this is my first dog in my adult life too. Like where I'm full party responsible for it. Yeah. So for me, I have aspirations. I want to own like five dogs at one time, really yeah. But I also kind of don't. Here's the problem. Kind of like how I want to be a fake cowboy, like I want to own a ranch that some other guy manages for me. And when I show up, I want to own a ranch. I just don't want to do anything to the farming. Exactly, and when I come in on my helicopter I come out in my clean boots and he has my horse saddled and then I I swing my leg over and I ride the horse like like 30 yards to the barn and then like yeah, and then like wait for him to catch up.

24:15 Then I hand him the reins and I swing my leg back over and he like takes the saddle off. Yeah, and not that's what I really want, but I when I do a true evaluation of myself. I'm like in my mind if I want to be a rancher, you really want to wake up at 2 am every day and go chuck hay. I don't know if I have the old stones to get that. You know what I mean. So anyway, similarly with saying I want four or five dogs, I don't know if that's what I really want or not. But um, the a couple pieces to not owning a dog yet is um has been like.

24:55 I have had some like my leases in my houses have been like no dogs like no pet, like situations and something okay, okay. And then it got to the point now where, like, where I am now does have the no pet thing, but I could probably like at this point, how long I've been in my house, I could like get my landlords to agree to us having that. But then we also like, brought kids into the mix. Yeah, like every couple of years, we bring kids into the mix and so, like three kids, it has always been like, okay, honestly, how busy I'm at work, it's going to be the wife's duty to like during the day, have to also manage this thing, and so, like, that's been a piece of it.

25:37 Old Mace Windu not a huge animal person. So, she's not like I heard Mace Windu I think it was from you that Mace windu is not the biggest fan of dogs, no, or just animals, just animals like in general. that's why like like I've been looking at, like properties where I could put my office. Yeah, that also has like pastures and stalls, so then I can have like I keep my dogs and my horses and my cows there at my office. I can work where I go every day, but then my wife doesn't have to deal with them ever, and that would be an ideal situation.

26:17 What if that was just a thousand feet from your house? I know that would be the most ideal situation For me, yeah for sure, and she wouldn't have to interact with them. She wouldn the most ideal situation for? Yeah for me, yeah for sure, and she wouldn't have to enter. She would have to deal with them like right and for sure. So there's all those things, but, um, I'm gonna own a dog someday. I should have bought one years ago specifically for the purposes of hunting. I really, really, really want to, um, have good hunting dog me too. I that was the number one thing I wanted. And then I was like well, I should probably go hunting before you before I get a hunting dog, but like so that was but like.

26:59 So that's why I'm like I'll take this because I could. I could honestly see myself bringing sadie and she just wouldn't like I don't think she'd be, she would never, I think, really be a retriever dog. She'd kind of be along for the ride but she'd be along for the ride and she would, I think, let me know far better when something was nearby than I could on my own yeah, for sure. And so, like, I think, like also the having a owning a dog is one thing and then owning a good hunting dog is a whole other level of like. It has to be a part of your lifestyle that you train and pour into the animal. And so while I have the fantasy of owning a great hunting dog, that means also to be in a position to really own that.

27:41 But someday I will own a great hunting dog, and then also for my three kids. Here's like. So, when I said five dogs, it'd be four dogs and, um, one for each kid. Exactly me, exactly so I would have. I want a bernie's mountain dog and a full blood pair of knees. And then, uh, oh my goodness, the the breeds escaping me. It's very similar in the same way. It's a. It's a bed mastiff. No, not the mastiff, it's, oh, my goodness. Anyways, I'll remember it someday, sure. When it's time to buy it. Yeah. But basically they're these giant, fluffy shepherd dogs, kind of lazy, like to hang out and just be around, take massive poops.

28:27 So you gotta have a big yard, don't all three of those? But then I'm gonna have my, my lab, my hunting dog, and the three big dogs gonna get to do whatever they want. They're gonna get to like have the rule of the roost. They can even come inside sometimes. Um, that's the other thing too is like I'm not a huge like inside dog fan. Like I think, like it's like a. They can be in the kitchen and like the living room, but they don't go like down the basement or like up in the bedrooms. It's kind of like you know, they know where they're allowed to be, but in the hunting dog he knows like his only job is to sit next to me and sit next to me, and when he's not doing that, he like lives in the garage and he has a doggy door and he can go outside and come back in, but like and he is literally like a servant at my will and and it fulfills his and it fulfills his and he fulfills every like biological thing, like desire in his brain, right exactly that too.

29:22 So like, like, because this is what he's made for. So when we like, when and if you've ever been around a good duck dog, oh yeah, when you pull the gun out of the case, they freak out, they're like they're like they're howling, they're like spinning in circles and like they like run out and just sit in the truck. And they're just like sitting in the truck wanting to go get ducks, like yeah and so it's like it's. I mean a lot of people don't get it, but like the um, the, the work genetic ingrained in some of these dogs is stronger than the desire to reproduce. Like, think about you as a dude and how powerful it's been in your brain to you know, make coitus, imagine like you want to do something else more than that.

30:12 You know it's like, it's just like that. I think that's crazy to me. You know what I mean. Like I don't know if that, I guess I'll say this. I don't know if that's true. That's what I read from. Like some dog science expert about that was studying dog brains and dopamine and dog brains, highland Collie and all those like other herding dogs. Like they live to go out and chase sheep and like that is more powerful in their brain than anything else, which is why, like they will often die doing it. Like like they'll just like when they get old. A lot of times they go out and they just don't come back one day.

30:53 Yeah, because they just like they die out there in the, in the field with the flock doing what they love and it's stronger than anything else in their brain and like that's excellent, that's cool, like I want and like, if that's the way the dog is, I want to give it that life. You know what I mean. I don't want to. I don't want to force a dog to. You know, like with sadie, I'm not gonna squirt sadie with the water bottle every time she runs to the door and, you know, stands there until I come, stand next to her, like sure, will that be inconvenient? Yes, but that's also like her and her mind thinking hey, there is something out there, right, and I need, I need to stand guard until master comes to, let me know he's aware of it and we can go back to what we were doing right and like it's.

31:42 It'd be different if she would go there and scratch at the door and bark and bark and bark and bark and bark and bark and bark forever. You know, like that's a thing that you want to curb that behavior. But if, if it's just simply like the dog doing his brain thing of like what it really is bred to be, like, that's almost like something you kind of want to reinforce because that's going to give it a good, happy life. Yeah for sure. The other third. The third one I wanted is it's a Newfoundland which is also like just big old fluffy. So, yeah, these, these, I do. I want these three big fluffy dogs, one for each of my kids, I do. I want these three big fluffy dogs, one for each of my kids. And then I want my lab and his names. I'm going just full Duke, something along those lines, where it's just like, oh really, remington, ranger, sage, whatever, I don't care, but we're going somewhere in there In that realm of thinking Someday I'll have a dog.

32:37 The two big hang ups there's three big hang-ups would be this I need some more like. I feel like I need a little more like land or property if I'm gonna do the, if I'm going for the four dogs. Well, yeah, no kidding, I need some more space. Um, and then also, I do need um time, more time. I need to like commit to, like, you know, taking care of that animal. And then also got to get my wife on board and I think, like now that we're kind of like we're getting done having kids as they become, less babies and less toddlers. It's going to be good. But also, dude, like I got to get a dog stat, because my kids are wusses around dogs, like really we're like my, like, really all my friends who have um kids, who own dogs, like they're totally fine.

33:25 But my kids, like you know, a big dog comes out and they're, like you know, shaking. They start crying if it gets up and licks their face, you know, and like really and it's understandable that if your first interaction like when you're not used to it, when if something that literally to us came in here that was 12 feet tall, yeah, and licked your face you'd be like, bro, you'd be like you'd be like I'm lunch, this is not good like. Yeah, exactly, it's like little freaking grizzly bear my little my little buddy. He's like you know, my little two-year-old, I mean. He just is like unhinged when a dog comes by, but he loves animals like he loves dogs from like 10 feet away. He's like you know, my little two-year-old, I mean, he just is like unhinged when a dog comes by, but he loves animals like he loves dogs. From like 10 feet away he's like enthralled. And then once it comes and licks his face or like its tail, like brushes its head, he like turns at me and he's like daddy, they got trying to get me.

34:09 It's like freaking out and like, okay, we got to get these kids some animals or they're gonna be totally wusses around animals. Yeah, no, that's a good point. There is definitely pictures of me as a kid growing up not happy that I'm being made to pose with a dog, but I never can recall ever being afraid of a nonviolent dog. Yeah, I don't have any distinct memory of a dog messing me up or scaring me as a kid. I do have a very distinct memory of my a dog messing me up or scaring me as a kid. I do have a very distinct memory of my dog jake. Uh, he was border collie, my first dog. I remember him being very protective over me when someone else's dog got off their leash and charged at me I remember him fucking that dog up, dude yeah, he meant like he just he put that dog in the gutter and just held it down.

34:55 It's dude and I remember like going over the remember going over there and trying to pull him off and it was like that dog knew I was scared and trying to make it stop and it also knew that if it did stop I would get bit by the other dog, right, because that other owner hadn't caught up to it yet. It was weird that to have a dog that was smarter than me at that age it was like you know, second grade and stuff, and it was just like I just remember being like in my eyes. I was like this is my hero and dude, freaking, wept when we put it down. I went in, said goodbye to him. That dog was my best friend for sure for like a couple years of my life yeah, we get close to our dogs, man and oh yeah, it's cool, especially when you see them do something like that well, yeah, and that's, that's the thing.

35:41 Like I bet, like was he? Was he a violent dog? never no, but like I mean he right he, he went after stuff like he got a couple squirrels. Right like he never been a person, people and stuff, never all of a sudden like when there was a real threat coming at you. It just that that instinct snapped in. And that's what I love about and why I think I want a good hunting dog so bad is like, and also the breeds I like of these shepherd dogs I was talking about, because their instincts and their protection are awesome. Like the dog you're getting is like a dog that's been bred to do a particular thing. When you watch them do that thing and their instincts kick in particular thing. When you watch them do that thing and their instincts kick in, it is just the most incredible and, uh, fascinating thing to me when you see a dog doing that stuff yeah, yeah, I'm really excited, um, maybe I'm sure she'll be good around kids and all that stuff and maybe we can like go to a park or something and your uh mini pats and mini mace windu.

36:36 Can you know get go to a park or something and your uh mini pets and mini mace windu. Can you know get accustomed to a big dog? That is like because, I'm pretty sure she's just gonna have the same mild behavior like a you know a retriever does, where, like people, just like kids, just are patting and brushing her and she's just like okay, like whatever you know sure um, but all that said um well, we were go for it. I was before we get to the next thing, because, uh, as the holidays approach, we've been playing a game with the, with the box of beer oh yeah we haven't had a beer this whole time, and so I thought your whistle might be getting wet and well it needs to be wet, and if this is your first time tuning in, uh well, there's a beer that we we really don't like to drink called the holiday ale, and we got a multi-pack here is it still?

37:25 just one thumb down. You know it's I'll. I'll give it two down, okay, because since then the only thing we've had worse is like the, the, the nightmare fuel, or whatever it's called I don't even think that was worse. I don't know, dude, that that battery acid was bad I did it. I don't think it was worse, I think it was. I think we gave that one, like each one thumb down I know we got that one too I know we didn't give it four thumbs down anyways, here's the deal. uh, mick's got a grab. He's grab bagging a mystery beer. Here we go, he's reaching in. Oh, I just knocked something over. Here we go, he's pulling in. There, there's a risk of getting the nasty one. Oh, another tripel. Yes, he's safe.

38:06 All right, nice work. All right you drawing. All right, I'll draw. I gonna reach in there and see what I find because, uh, like we said, the holidays are approaching. We gotta share the holiday cheer and the holiday ale is. Oh, I'm safe voodoo ranger we're clean, we're clean it's so gross, dude, I can't believe it's so gross it's. It's hard for me to wrap my brain around like people drinking that and like the taste, testing, you know, trials, and being like, yeah, no, that's uh, send that out, you know. I mean it's pretty wild for sure, oh man it tastes like fermented snickerdoodle dough, you know, I mean like apple cider spilt on snickerdoodle and fermented.

38:57 It doesn't taste like beer. Yeah, it tastes like the stuff you pour off of the top of a beer. Um, anyways, uh, pat sir, I'm reading a horror story. Oh man, I'm reading it in braille in. Wow yeah, I didn't know you were. You were such a renaissance man yeah, something bad is going to happen. I, I can just feel it that's funny, classic that's a dad joke, you're about. You're about ready to have a kid, I know right. Okay, I'm about to get a dog, so I I need to get some kind of training and practice on how to lighten the levity of something not so serious.

39:41 Yeah, I just figured that would be a good transition there, because I actually have two horror stories here, two real-life horror stories. One of them took place back in 2021, and and it's a little bit longer and I'll get into that um later just because I got like the whole story to go through, um and kind of give a breakdown of um, but it was just so fascinating and startling to me of how, uh, this whole story played out and I was like dude, I just gotta, I gotta show this past. So, um, that was it, and it's a murder that took place in a grand junction, colorado, in 2021.

40:26 Um, oh, dude, do you know what? It is already? maybe the brian cohe murder, a young guy who murdered the homeless man yeah, oh, you already know about this. You watch a video of him getting arrested. Yeah, all right, that video is what flipped it for? me right it's that that was the most unsettling like cinematic confession of a serial killer like I. I saw that I was like they live among us. Yeah, they are not just on the silver screen, like they live among us and this is really not scripted by some nasty producers and writers who are just being sickos.

41:06 Yeah, this was really what happened real dude it like um, pull up the video just so that way you have it up and stuff. Um and uh could just for like reference, you could skip through it, because I got an article here that I'll go through it of. But the first one I wanted to talk about with you is very recent and very tragic, probably just as tragic as that one. This was a very mentally sick man. A very mentally sick man. Um, this happened actually on uh, it looks like November 5th, I believe it was when it was announced. This occurred so the night of the election.

41:46 Um, but in Duluth Minnesota, which happens to be a place where, like, a lot of this stuff goes down, like a lot of crazy, like crack, crackhead and mentally unfit, mentally insane people are doing like, do stuff for some reason in Duluth Minnesota. It's weird, like what their mental health insanity rate is there? Um, but this man, anthony Nephew, uh, he shot himself, his wife, his ex partner and his child with each of them. So he had a child with his first partner and a child with his current wife and he shot and killed both children as well and then took himself out.

42:30 It was on November 5th, after President Donald Trump got elected and he had posted a lot of things that were pretty unsettling leading up to this that he had had a pattern of mental health issues. He was age 46. And the police found Aaron Abramson and their son, jacob Nephew, dead from gunshot wounds in their home. And then, after identifying Anthony Nephew as the suspect, police found him and his 45-year-old wife, catherine Nephew, and their 7-year-old son, oliver Nephew, dead from gunshot wounds inside their home. Before the tragedy, nephew had been sharing a lot of left-wing and anti-Trump posts on his Facebook account.

43:15 Back in July, he had said something along the lines of you know, my mental health and this world can't coexist anymore, and the reason for that is religion. He had said he was terrified of religious zealots inflicting misguided beliefs on his family and on himself. Uh, he's had intrusive thoughts and visions of uh being burned at the stake like a witch or crucified on a burning cross, and like this is stuff he posted on. Like facebook and social media, right, like it's just like okay, well, all right. Like he's like uh, having people actually believe that I or my child are satan or the antichrist or whatever their favorite boogeyman they are afraid of.

43:57 This week, he said that Republicans are making it harder for women to live oh sorry, women to leave abusive relationships. And he signed off the post saying Gilead, here we come. Gilead is apparently a character or the author of the Handmaiden's Tale, which is, of course, this dystopian novel of women are second-class citizens in a society that's totalitarian and fascist. And so he put up political posts as well, of Obama and Biden and Harris, that had the words hope and heal and grow underneath them, but hate underneath Trump.

44:40 And he's like not that anyone cares. But as an independent voter, I would really like to see both political parties in our country pick better candidates, which, I mean, that's not left leaning. He's like we could do better than a binary choice between fascism and not fascism like that's I don't think that's really left leaning you and not fascism Like that's I don't think that's really left leaning. You know what I mean? I think that's just political, um, but uh yeah. So he night of the election, I think after he realized Trump won, it seems like he killed his previous partner and their child, and then his current wife and their child, and then his current wife and their child, and then himself, um, which is pretty unsettling, you know what I mean.

45:23 Like this is someone who a lot of people are saying was totally convinced by, like the mainstream media of like just this doom and gloom, end of the world if. If Trump wins, mentality and like the truth is is like that's not, that's not what we're going to experience, that's not what the world's going to experience. Like we're not going to live in a country where, you know, we see people reacting to Trump winning the election. People are saying like I'm going to wake up tomorrow and be a slave again, or I'm going to wake up as a woman and have zero rights, and like that's just not reality, that didn't. No one was enslaved the his first presidency and no one's like going to face any kind of that stuff during this one.

46:11 It's just like that's what the media has, over and over and over and over, been brain like, uh, sorry, beating into the brains of these people and so, like this guy just looks to be a guy who snapped and like totally just swallowed it all and was like all right, yep, world's over. My wives are going to be, you know, my ex-wife and my current wife and our children are all going to live, as you know, second class citizens to some fascist totalitarian state, and he kills them and takes his own life because he thinks it's like better than the alternative, which is, I mean, it's unreal to me that it's better, like they think it's better than the alternative of just enduring until another election to vote for the next political opponent you want, and enduring through and realizing that was really not that bad, like it's really not that bad, like to be under the other.

47:02 I'll be honest, it's not. It's not been that bad. Has it been worse being under the joe biden kamala, uh, president regime, as the people like to say. sometimes has it been worse than other ones. Yeah, if I'm being honest, outside of just the whole 2008 financial crash and around that time my mom had cancer so we had to sell our house anyways, I don't necessarily think that was President Bush or Obama's fault during that crash and stuff. I don't blame them for it, but it was the suckiest time to be alive for me in my entire life right you know like that was the suckiest phase I lived through as a kid growing up and like, but like dude, now this one, this, these last four years yeah, they were tough because of money and inflation and you know the war is going on, but still like we're all okay.

47:57 I'll say it was way better under trump the four years before that, right, and I felt like trump was way better than the eight years before him. I enjoyed those four years under trump immensely, um, but it wasn't. But again, it wasn't like do people lost? No one lost rights under trump. No one lost, yeah, the ability to live their life. No one was enslaved. No one was made second-class citizens. Oh, yeah, for sure, I mean, I think, the most. I mean the part he said about him in his own words that he's worried about misguided zealots. Yeah, which I think he may have been one. Bro. You know what happened, no kidding, right. You know the last time we had some Zealots that were misguided and a serious threat to this country, january 6th.

48:43 Whoa Okay. Disagree, but I think the last time we had like Religious zealots that were a threat to the nation Was when that like crazy Cult up in like Oregon Tried to poison the whole nation with salmonella. Yeah, and then a little bit before that, when the Twin Towers fell. Twin Towers fell out after that. Yeah, oh, yeah, for sure, you know like. But those people, they aren't in our nation. Yeah, they got in a little. I mean they got in. Yeah, yeah, I. Yeah, they got in a little, I mean they got in. Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying you know, what I'm saying, right, Like that's an external threat? Oh for sure, because you're talking about the out in Oregon at Wild Wild Country, the Rajneesh yeah, yeah, the Rajneesh, that was a little bit of religious zealots, misguided, dangerous individuals, yeah for sure.

49:38 Although I mean they all those, I mean they're pretty badass. They're in their like red sweaters and sweatpants holding uzis on that on their own private runway. I'll never forget that video footage. That video footage was like oh shit, these, they mean business dude, and now it's a christian youth camp is it really? Yeah, there's a oh yeah. No, yeah, young life owns, it right that's awesome got donated to him. Uh, when they tore down the um, his like throne room, his throne room, the spot where he used to have a little throne, they'd have these nasty orgies in there and stuff. There was a den of snakes underneath the throne. No way. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, straight up. Now it's a basketball court Hell yeah, where they play rock paper scissors and dance to music. Have you ever seen that guy?

50:18 Though the recorded footage of him going over why his favorite word is fuck? Of the Rajneesh leader. No, I thought it was a legit Middle Eastern comedian. It was so funny. He just had a whole sermon on why. Fuck was his favorite word. I've never seen that he's like it can be used for so many things. Joy, I'm fucking happy. Anger, don't you fucking dare. He just goes. He's like it is a verb I'll fucking kill you.

51:03 He's like it is a noun. Fuck, it's just like it's one of them. It's so funny, bro, and like I was like I saw that video before that documentary came out. And I saw the documentary like, oh, that's the, that's the comedian. And I was like, oh, he's not a comedian, he's a cult leader. Depending on you, it's kind of the same thing nowadays no, it back to this freaking crackpot who ruined his life. He said he killed himself too, or was he but man? It's just like obviously horribly sad for these you know individuals harmed by him, and then also it's just like obviously horribly sad for these you know individuals harmed by him, and then also it's just like. It just makes you wonder if they consent, like I mean, of course the kids didn't consent, but it makes you think like if the women consented, like if they were that brainwashed too Right, like what?

51:50 was the. Is it that bad to not get an abortion? I don't know, or whatever the thing is. It's like it's obviously we're taking a very narrow piece of the pie, but in a less radical sense. The pie, the pie. Take a little bit wider cut of the pie and just a surprising amount of people who are like going to therapy over this and like making. We mentioned it last week. Uh, kill myself was trending right now.

52:31 I don't know how many people actually did it, but, like I hope, none of them. All right but it is one of those things like dude, like again, I can't imagine thinking I'm gonna kill myself because, even even if it was legitimate fidel castro or hitler yeah, dude. The masculine inner urge and desire to lead a revolutionary war, yeah, kill someone else, don't kill yourself. I'm just. I'm just like, like if, I, if, if, if we were really facing that kind of scenario, I'd be like all right, well, like time, I guess, to start building the underground. Like you know what I mean. Like I wouldn't, I wouldn't be. Like oh, you know what, versus being like man.

53:18 Well, I guess I better like run for city council member because this is so jacked up right exactly all the way over to like, yes, there is the extremes, but like and this guy took it to the extremes as well but yeah, uh, and people are. Yeah, people are kind of losing their minds a little bit, but I'm actually think I haven't seen as much like mass mind loss. Um, on the from the normal, from the normies, as I will see, we'll see how it goes in january when, yeah, exactly around, but who knows? I've heard that kamala's already fundraising for recount, which just feels so slimy since, like, they already congratulated trump and like shook his hand and all that. Yeah, and it's like hey, don't get me wrong, hey, trump contested it, still contested to the state 2020. She could contest it as much as she wants, but she just needs to make sure that it's like hey, don't get me wrong, hey, trump contested it, still contested it to this day, 2020. She can contest it as much as she wants, but she just needs to make sure that she calls for peace too.

54:03 Yeah, and like I still don't know, like I don't know if you've seen this, but they're still trying to run this stuff that, like, trump incited January 6th. Oh, yeah, and they're still right now pushing it, and it's just like bro watch. I don't know where these people were on that day if it was so important to them. I don't know why they weren't watching the same thing you and I were, Because if you watch it, he's like go home or go to this park. We're going to relocate over here. Go home, you know, like, don't come here. It's just like everyone's like no, he incited it, man, he told him to go there and kick down the doors. I'm like he literally didn't, though Like we can all watch the same thing, you know, and it's one of those things that People have Trump derangement syndrome and that usually people apply that to like ultra mega people.

54:52 But no, dude, it's. Yeah, there's there's ultra magas out there, but also like there's people who just don't want to just watch a video and see what actually happened. Dude, I watched this. I follow this one chick Her name's Gothics on YouTube. It's goth, and then IX at the end and she's a black goth woman. And she that's radical. She is a Trump supporter. Now that's extra radical and she was super anti-Trump. She cut people out of her life and unfriended them for voting for Trump in 2016. Oh, she was an early adopter of a counselor, or 2020. In 2016, she was canceling people out of her life.

55:32 Early on she was like a Trump hate big time Trump, oh yeah. And uh, then she just started like seeing her biggest thing was like the blm riots and she was like how does stealing a tv help? Our different franchisement? And people started hating on her and she just said a couple other things. When the mob turned on her, she realized the mob yeah, dude, the mob turned on her and she started looking and other people were like yep, this is why I'm now a black conservative. And she's like what do you mean? And she just started looking into it and then she was like people like dude, literally watch this video of trump, you'll see like all these articles are fake if you just spend 10 minutes watching the video. She's like no, that's not true. And he's like okay, but just like, watch the video, right.

56:13 And like she started watching just the full, you know, and like that's a slog of time, but like she just started watching full-on, like the whole thing, like not cut up or edited, or just like a quote misquoted, right. She's like oh, wow, like actually all of them are wrong, like all of these are wrong, like all, every single one of these is wrong in how they're characterizing this or portraying this, and like they're telling lies and gaslighting people. And she was like and then I realized one day I was like I'll be, I'm not voting for joe biden. And then you know like, and now she's a big trump fan, but it was pretty crazy, like I don't know. I think she's also like I think she has a video like talking about being a part of the pride community I don't think she said she's like she's an A, something, maybe a B.

56:59 Yeah. Oh no, no, be careful there, bud I think goths kind of, are they're A's or B's? Yeah but anyways so they're not Q's. They could be. I feel like they could be. I don't even know what that means anymore. Where's the line between goth and emo? I don't know Is it, the Q, I don't know what Q means I think it's queer questioning. Well, I know that means well, that's two Qs, but what I mean is, like I'm used to reading, like old CS Lewis Chronicles of Narnia and he's saying queer all the time and that just makes it kind of weird he was, and then I was a kid of the 90s, so there was the football game to smear the Q when you think about it, which was a clear cut.

57:41 That just meant gay. But have you seen the black guy talking about how every letter in it just means gay? He's like what are we doing here? He just goes through each one. He's like and that means you're gay. It's like why don't we just call it gay? Yeah, I haven't seen it, you're gay. You know it's like, why don't we just call it gay? yeah, anyways, that's funny anyways, it's just like, because it's a whatever, all this and um, I think like, uh, you know, a lot of people could get really ramped up and I just really hope that the language around all of it even if they deny the election being fair or whatever, I just hope the language of it is still a call to peace and a call to a judicial process, just like trump has been saying for, you know, all these years, and I doubt he'll get it, but it is one of those things of like it just needs to be peaceful and I'm not going to say, you know, kamala doesn't have any right to question the results.

58:36 She can. I mean, hillary questioned the results when trump won, everyone questioned the results. When joe won, everyone questions the results. Right now. I feel like it's a little bit less questioned right now because of how freaking brutal it was that we had a total web sweep, I mean red sweep across everything. So I think like that kind of sweep just makes everyone feel like okay, like this was a legitimate shift in the populace. But all I said, moving on, unless there's anything else you want to talk about, election wise. I don't think so. But the funny thing about the recount stuff is like I mean she lost by millions and millions of votes.

59:18 But um and like uh in colorado was uh, it was uh, it's 400 000 votes difference, which is kind of not that much compared to like california. Like in california, trump lost by three million votes but he also turned a lot of things. He had the best performance in California since Reagan. Oh yeah, no, it was still huge, but it's just still crazy, like that one just looking at. I guess also a couple of things. She's calling for recounts and raising money to do recounts in, like Pennsylvania, michigan, arizona, nevada, the places where it was close Pennsylvania, michigan, arizona, new Nevada, the places where it was close. But the things that I'm always surprised about is one every election, I'm always surprised by how close it is, where it's like 48% to 50%, and I'm always like that's crazy to me.

1:00:09 It's pretty much 50-50 every year, plus or minus 2%. Yeah, I mean depending where you go, I mean on the nationwide, like that's like, which is just crazy to me. And then, but and then also, like I just don't realize or comprehend the sheer like populations of some of these places where, like, for instance, in colorado, in Colorado, like our total vote count was uh 3 million and um, in California, it was um 12 million or no, uh, 13 million, I mean that's just great.

1:00:52 Or in New York, this tiny little place, you know 7 million, just like votes. So it was just like. Anyways, I'm always, regardless of politics, everything else, I just always forget about how many people live on the coast. Yeah, for sure it's crazy. That's so many people and I need to visit those places more often to keep more of a barometer on what the country's actually like, what it's actually going through, cause we kind of live. We live in the beautiful insulated West. We live in the West, not the West coast. We live in the West United States. It's great, we're spread out, it's easy life, and then we're even more insulated up here in northern colorado.

1:01:38 Right so, but anyways, um, that's my one little note on that. It's just like a regardless of politics. I always forget about those east and west coast, how freaking packed in those poor bastards are yeah, dude, I also like I've been seeing this, uh, just online, all these people talking about how, in the rage on Reddit, they're posting text chains with family members. I just cut my parents off for my parents internet or my parents, uh, live rent free and um the house I own now and I'm gonna start charging them rent.

1:02:25 And it's like, bro, like because they voted for trump oh yeah, all of them were voted for trump. And they're like I cut them off out of my life and like all these emails don't get me wrong. Sometimes it's like pretty drastic stuff, like hateful stuff between both parties. Well, there was a couple I wrong. Sometimes it's like pretty drastic stuff, like hateful stuff between both parties, but there was a couple I was reading where it was like not emails, that's so boomer to say emails, all these text messages, some IMs, yeah. And there was one where this girl's blowing up in her message to her mom about Trump winning. And then her mom was like honey, you know, some of us did vote for Trump. And like, honey, you know, some of us did vote for Trump. And like, but like that doesn't mean we don't care. And she's like are you kidding me? You voted for Trump. And she blows up again Big long text blurb. Her mom gives like kind of like an apology, consolation thing of like yeah, it's not, it's not a personal thing about.

1:03:11 Like I didn't vote for him because I don't love you. I voted for him because I agree with him and you know, and it really, at the end of the day, shouldn't matter that much, because you know I still love you and like we're family and like there's no hateful thing from her mother. And she just is asking, right? She's like am I the asshole for turning off my mom and dad's internet and deleting their phone numbers? And everyone's like no, they voted for capitalism. They get capitalism. It's so socialist and communist for you to be supporting them and paying their internet bill. They need to pay their own. I'm like dude. No, it's not, it's so brutal of capitalism to be able to provide for your parents? yeah, right, and it's just one of those brutal things where I'm just like what are you gonna do in like a year, when everything's still okay and you haven't moved to another country and your parents now you've lost a year with them.

1:04:04 Dude, you've lost a year. I do. I can't imagine not talking to my mom for a year. Yeah, that would devastate me. Lost time, man. Yeah, don't get it back and like these. I don't know they're so dumb, especially when we're just talking about the transfer of wealth. Those parents aren't transferring their wealth to those kids. Well, I would say this I think this is a generalization, but it's not the right cutting the left out, dude. Yeah, by and large, how? many of your liberal friends. Did you cut off Right when Biden won? I haven't told any of my liberal friends, hey, don't talk to me. I've had several of them say, like don't you ever talk to me, Like I hate you Right.

1:04:51 I'm just like okay, yeah, exactly, Just so you know so-and-so hates your guts. I'm like tight. Sad to hear that, because I love them Exactly and so by and large, and maybe like 99%, I'll generalize- it all the way. There's some crazies on the right. Also, here's the deal. We're peace-loving freedom people and most of us voting for this guy this time around are also still like, pretty middle of the line, um, and we would appreciate, uh, an alternative, but this is the one to go with this time around. But we're not cutting people out. We're not, like, like you're saying, like, just like you know, letting it affect our personal lives so deeply, um, in these crazy ways.

1:05:34 And then, on top of that, the, the way that the vitriol is just like, so like acceptable, like you were saying in the comments, where it was like, oh yeah, you got to do that to him. It's like whoa, whoa, whoa, like it's. It's just so divided and so like. And america has been divided for a very long time, like I've said, look at the look at the votes over the years. It's always been 50, 50 plus or minus two to three percent on the. The popular vote, yeah, but the hate and vitriol division has not been there like it is now yeah, yep, 100 percent.

1:06:20 Uh, I think it's pretty crazy. Also, just so you know, by the way, uh, our wives are, of course, hanging out right now. Uh, they're watching the uh, golden bachelorette finale. They are drinking cocktails with literal golden glitter in it. That's edible. I did see, hear me out. This isn't crazy. This is crazy. Sometimes I think girls joke or exaggerate things, right, and I think they might think, like you know, mick and pat, just go to the podcast and they just pull your wieners out and just sit there like goobers. Yeah, so when I like and I know that's an expression, right, or whatever yeah, like how dumb or neanderthal like guys are.

1:07:02 Guys are and I'm not even saying either of our wives have said that, but I see my wife coming home today with like a bag full of things for like some ferrero roche wrapped, golden wrapped chocolates, right, and other stuff, and I see uh, like, the, uh, the like, uh, stickies for, like, covering up nipples, but they're like you know, kind of soft padded one, but they're in the shapes of flowers and stars. And I was in my first, my first reaction, because you know, kind of soft padded one, but they're in the shapes of flowers and stars. And I was like into my first, my first reaction, because you know, everything has been building up to like them having their girls night pasties, yeah, and I was like what are you guys gonna do? Sit around with your boobs out and like my wife looked at me like I was the most stupidest person that had ever walked into her life and she's like no, they're for like my top, like my strapless bra, right, they're like like for wearing one of those and I'm like, okay, yeah, but like you can't pretend like.

1:07:56 My question was like that, far out of left field, like like would the girls get together and they're just having a girls night and no dudes are around? Like I don't know. I know what it's like when the dudes get together, no girls around. Sometimes you run around naked. You know what i's like when the dudes get together and no girls around. Sometimes you run around naked. You know what I mean. So, like whatever, like I get it Like, but it was one. Come on, back me up here. Am I that? Like how surprised would you be if? like now, we walked in on it but like we just knew it occurred of like a joke, like they threw on pasties and we're like woo, golden battery, that woo. I would be like weird, but I would I would be like I would not be approving, but I would not be like I would be hypocritical.

1:08:36 Yeah, meaning to your point being like it'd be like, how could you ever do that? Meanwhile, I'm over here on the hunting trip, like you know, mooning my buddy or giving him the goat, you know yeah, yeah, the goat's always a great maneuver. I literally just gave my uh homie stay in the night. You know, yeah, yeah, the goat's always a great maneuver. I literally just gave my uh homie staying the night with us. Yeah, for his stuff I he came out of the bathroom to a full-on goat yeah, and so if the if, if, the late, if you heard about ladies giving the rb sandwich, I'd be like what the hell's wrong with you? This is horrible. You know, like you can't do that, that that's illegal in, uh, in like 48 muslim countries, including in my home. Yeah, so, but so I'm hypocritical of that, but also like, like you're saying, um, it wouldn't be like completely unreasonable?

1:09:23 Yeah, yeah, I couldn't see, honestly, our wives doing that well, I mean, that's why I had to ask. You had to Just clarify real quick. What scenario yeah? I love this show too, this is good. I haven't watched A single episode of it, but it's like, oh, gertrude, keep your dentures out. You know it's like. It's like, oh, it's like I'm gonna break your hip. You know, it's like it's horrible. Coming in and a Walker yeah, the golden bachelor. Yeah, it's so funny, though that's so funny Um excuse me Back to morbidity Cause I think there's more stories, yeah. Yeah, um, all right. So Brian Cohey.

1:10:05 Oh man, I don't like him. Brian Cohey. Um man, I don't like him. Brian Cohe Dude, I just got to open up the video. The intro to it is unreal and just like how he delivers the line and switches goes from like this timid, socially awkward, nervous guy for sure to like, just like, yeah stone cold killer for some context, out in his grand junction right grand junction, colorado, um. In 2021, february 2021, um the uh he murdered at the time he's 19 year old murdered a homeless man and, um, you know, we'll get into like what he did, that sort of thing, but like, basically, the cops came.

1:11:02 I don't know how the cops got the. I think the parents, his mom found, his mom found him in cause. His mom found to find a hand, or did he find the head in the closet? So, yeah, so his mom was cleaning his room up while he was over at his friend's house. His friend was a younger girl, still in high school. He had just graduated. She was still like 17 or 18 in her senior year, was still like 17 or 18 in her senior year and, um, she, uh, she essentially uh was I don't know she. She found the head while cleaning the room in his closet and like it was wrapped up in plastic bags and she brought it to the kitchen sink, started opening it and she saw like his ear, yeah.

1:11:46 So she called her husband to get home. Now he came home, threw a towel over it and they had put in the other bag with that guy's hands in the sink as well and so then they called, they did what, they made. A hard decision. Well, I'd say the right decision, but a hard decision as a parent yeah, they called the police and then the police showed up the next uh morning to confront brian cohey on uh, what, what it was, um, and I'm gonna actually play that right now here, um, just so that way people can get an idea for the scenario and how this guy sounded.

1:12:28 So the police are walking up to him at their house right now and he's like this kind of socially awkward. You can tell he doesn't know where to put his hands. The deputy makes contact with Brian using a friendly, disarming greeting, which goes further to establish an atmosphere of calm. Of course, at the same time, the deputy is certainly scanning the area for any potential threats, as well as making sure that Brian has his hands where he can see them. You can hear his dad says cooperate as like and his dad's not a very I would say like mainly masculine intimidating guy.

1:13:12 Uh, and as he says that you can hear brian coey respond to his dad, like in, like a cracked kind of shrill voice, like I am going to cooperate, you know okay, so parents have some concerns of some stuff they may have found in your room. Yeah, I believe so. And he says that. He says, yeah, I believe so. Like a little bit of a head tilt, thumbs in the pockets, shoulders really hiked up, deep exhale, chest out, and he's like okay, okay, okay, okay, oh gosh, I'm in trouble. Now it's sinking in and he's like a big husky kid. Just like a husky kind of you know.

1:13:52 Yeah, he's like 6'1", 6'2" but he's really not like a. He's got glasses, 80s hairdo. He's no. What's his name? What's the dude who like, ate his mom and had sex with? his mom's head, Not Dahmer. Oh God, that's a horrible thing. Don't even know whoever he was it's ed something who's in the 80s yeah ed kemp no, yeah, he's not edward kemp, but no, but he's like just like a big kid, yeah, unassuming individual very unassuming, just by like appearance. But, uh, and the police ask you know, and what would it be? what would it be? A human head and hands do you have anything on on you, Dude, that twist man. The way he, like you see him, and it's the and the shoulders stop.

1:14:36 They sag. The head turns into the police officer, staring him right in the eyes. He's not in custody or anything right now. He's not arrested A human head and hands yeah, dude it shifts. It's like a total snap. It's one of the most unsettling. I just gotta do it again. I'm gonna play it all the way through without pausing it, so that way people get the whole experience um, okay, so parents have some concerns of some stuff they may have found in your room? Um, yeah, I believe so. And what would it be? A human head and hands. That's unedited. That's straight unedited from the badge cam. If you want to watch more of this it's Explore With Us is the YouTube account.

1:15:21 They do a lot of crime police body cam stuff. They show interviews in the interview room. Excuse me, but if you want to check it out, you should check out their video. It's a really great one. It's an hour and 42 minutes, but just great. Beginning to end of the whole interview process and uh, what his sent scene was. But we'll do some summary and discussion here, just so you guys have the context going into it. But, uh, brian cohey on, uh, I think, if I remember correctly, it was like february 2022 2021. It was in 2021. But it was like sometime, um, in early february that he was going out for a drive in his car and he put on because he felt this urge.

1:16:05 It was a full moon and he had this urge to go out and kill and he had been thinking about it for a long, long, long time about murdering someone, and he had even debated murdering his female friend that he was at the house of and what it would be like to kill her, and this is all stuff he confesses in the in the interrogation room. But he, he clearly had this fantasy like uh obsession, because he was wearing I don't even know if he said I can't remember if he said he wore it for Halloween or if he just went out and bought it because he had, like a fantasy obsession with the concept but he bought the Michael Myers costume of, you know, the zip-up mechanic suit and the mask that you pull over.

1:16:50 That's the michael myers halloween mask. And he snuck a kitchen knife from his mom and he had this giant kitchen knife and he was driving around and he saw this homeless guy sleeping under an overpass in grand junction. He's like, all right, I'm gonna do it, because I can do it here and get away with it and no one will care because this is just an old homeless guy over here. And so he put on the mask and went over and wrestled the homeless guy out of his sleeping bag and he remembers it very clearly. The homeless guy's like what are you doing? What are you doing? And then he started stabbing him in the neck and the homeless guy just kept on asking him why are you doing this? And he he in the interview room says he didn't say anything, he just growled and barked at him while he stabbed him.

1:17:36 And then he like afterwards, uh, started dismembering the man. Uh, warren Barnes was his name. And uh, he. He said the only reason he did it was not to hide anything. He had no desire or intention to hide anything, to conceal the body. He just wanted to know what it felt like, what it looked like. And so he dismembered and dissected this man's body before he was satiated and even in the interrogation room he said it was actually kind of a letdown. It wasn't as good as everyone said. It would be like everyone talks about, like the best feeling in the world they ever had was killing. He's like if I could go back and decide whether or not to do it again.

1:18:19 I wouldn't do it and he's like, not because I regret it, not because I feel bad it was. The whole thing was like it just wasn't as good as people said it would be. It wasn't as enjoyable like there's other things that are more enjoyable and it was just weird, like that was the reason why he wouldn't do it. But, um, he, uh he killed warren barnes, um, believing no one would notice, but this is kind of where he was wrong. He took the man's head, of course, and his hands and put them in plastic bags, double wrapped him and stuff and brought them back with him in his car. And he was. He took the body into his trunk of his car and this is totally impulse, like he didn't plan, he didn't plastic wrap his trunk or anything. And, uh, he goes to the colorado river, which I've actually gone off like the point where he dropped this guy's body off at.

1:19:05 I've launched off there for like, uh, you know, three day, four day trips down the colorado river, and so it was really unsettling to see that in the camera footage of like the body, cams and stuff, because I was like, oh my gosh, like I know exactly where that's at, like I know I've been, I've stepped in the sand there, um and so, um, he is there and he is unloading the body into the river, but he's gone. He's backed down in reverse, so his trunk is, of course, facing the river and he's in this sedan, and when he starts to try to drive away after unloading the body, his car is stuck in the mud of a winter riverbed, and so his car actually just burns too much of the, it essentially sinks itself deeper and then rolls backwards, losing traction, into the river.

1:20:02 So he calls his parents to come and help him. His parents show up and he's taking clothes off and all that. So he's just in his parents' truck and he's taking clothes off and all that, so he's just like in his parents truck when they like. When the police arrived to this call the police came to this call yeah, because they called it in right. Like the parents like oh my gosh, we gotta call the police. Like we've got a car in the river. We don't want them to think there was an accident. The police show up and they see the car there. They interview him about like what are you doing out here so late at night? What's going on? He's like I just need to drive and clear my air and stuff and like just chill out. And the police are like all right and like they're looking over and they're like they're like literally laughing about it in the badge cam because like what a dork kid in the camera, wow um.

1:20:44 And so they go back though and confront them. They say, hey, we noticed one thing, because, of course, the way air is in an engine block, the front of the car is sunk already. The trunk's up Like there's something that looks like blood On the back of the trunk. And he's like, oh, really what? And like, yeah, did you hurt yourself, injure yourself? He's like, no, I don't think so, I don't feel hurt, I don't have any Like scratches or cuts. And they're like okay, and they just, they just let it go. They let it go. And so they get the truck towed out and he's back at the shop of like where his dad works. His dad ran the life, uh, vest company.

1:21:26 That was like renting and loaning out life vests for river trips. So he's got like a bay shed and stuff to work on things and he's cleaning up the car and he finds in the car, uh, the wallet of warren barnes. Not only that, he also definitely finds and identifies, like that is for sure, blood on the back of the trunk and he opens up about it. And, uh, his son, uh, brian, had. He claims like, oh, my injury on my armpit opened up again. He had just had surgery for a mole removal or something and claimed like his mole just bled like a pint. Yeah, um, and there he's like do you know who's warren barnes to you?

1:22:08 Do you know warren barnes? He's like dad, I don't know who warren barnes is. He's like his wallet's in your car, in your side door. He's like oh yeah, like I just found it, I picked it up, I was gonna try to take it and turn it in. I totally forgot it was in the car. And his dad was like are you lying? Like his dad asked him like are you couldn't? He's like no, no. Then of course, that day is also when his mom found the remains of Warren, and so they call the police and the police put it all together and kind of start realizing like okay, warren Barnes is missing. And not only that, like he had been reported missing, because even though he was homeless People notice when people go missing he was a staple of the community.

1:22:50 He, every day, would go to the same coffee shop, wait there, they'd unlock the doors and let him in for coffee before anyone else got there. They give him a free coffee. Then he went to this lady's thrift store where she always had a chair ready for him to sit inside or out, and he would just pick up books that were there at their store and read them and he was just a friendly guy and there's actually like a plaque in memoriam to him and a bench because of how you know, well known and beloved he was by the community and he was clearly like an individual who chose to be homeless. You know, anyone like all these people talk like I, you know we'd, we'd let him stay with us if he wanted to, but he doesn't want. He's. He's a an individual who roams right. He's a he's a vagabond, um, and so he killed someone who was deeply, you know, cherished and recognized and cared about in the community and in doing so, police already knew about the report.

1:23:40 So when they get the call from the like the mom and dad like, hey, I have this wallet for warren barnes, there's a head and hands in the sink. They're like, okay, like we got this kid. And so, of course, he confesses that. Like, yep, my mom and dad found a head and hands in the sink. They're like, okay, like we got this kid. And so, of course, he confesses that like, yep, my mom and dad found this head and hands and they take them in. They don't even handcuff them when they take them in. Yeah, they put them in the back of the cruiser and just walk them into the interrogation room. The two detectives come in and he sits down. He's like, so I guess I'm going to jail, right. And they're like, well, what, what happened? And he's like, well, you know, I'd it's, it's over, so I might as well, like, confess it and tell you all about it, right. And he just lights up, dude, I mean, and he's drawing on the whiteboard for them and the diagram of where he was coming from in his car and where warren was when he was sleeping, and drawing on the wall where he threw the from in his car and where Warren was when he was sleeping and where he threw the arms.

1:24:31 Yeah, yeah, well, no, it's. It's a whiteboard, like he re-races it later. I thought it was a wall too. I think it's a giant whiteboard wall. Okay, the whole. Okay, I see that. I thought he was just going cuckoo in there. But he, he's like you know, and he recreates it, he plays it out, he gets on his hands and knees and he's pretending to stab, warn again and just totally enraptured, you know, on on display and showing to everyone else what he did. And, uh, they're like reinforcing it by like being like, so why did you do that? And he's like, well, I read in my homicide, uh, crime scene books like this is how they would often catch a killer, or you know, this was kind of, or like a body was good for so many days before it began to smell and decompose. And they're like, oh, yeah, no, you're right, oh, you know so much, you're so smart, and they just kept on reinforcing it, while he goes into detail and I'm not going to go into graphic detail here, because, you know, if you want to watch and listen and just try to understand, and you know, if you're someone like me, who really, you know, has that mentality, mindset of like I want to know what this person's thinking and the psyche behind this thing, then you can watch the video.

1:25:38 If you're someone who's like I want to live in bliss, not knowing exactly how someone details what they just did, then I'll spare you of it, it um, but he uh, ultimately, um, he pled insanity um, but he was not allowed. Like they didn't accept the plea um, they said it was the most gruesome. The judge said it was the most gruesome murder scene he had ever seen in one of the most horrendous crimes he'd ever heard of um, and so because uh, of his you know confession and stuff and not being believed to be insane, he was sentenced to life. Um, and yeah, he is, uh, I can't remember. I think he's in the uh one down in um Florissant Superman.

1:26:20 Yeah, the super max in Colorado, um, but he, uh, it's just crazy. Um, like the like, when you see this, this is like one of the best cases of like a truly, uh, sociopathic, maybe not, maybe not sociopathic psychopathic can't remember, um, but just someone who's like go back to episode two yeah, episode two of this podcast. Um, but someone who's just totally like absolutely two different people and has that switch um, and that's the craziest thing is like when he's alone in the interrogation room, you see him switch back insecure, uncomfortable, shaking, like looks like he doesn't know what to do with anything in his body, like he doesn't know where to put his arms, his hands, his feet, and then the moment he has that audience and he can be honest about it and go into detail about it, it's like he knows what.

1:27:06 He's totally different, like dynamic in person. It's weird and it's wild and the yeah, I'd say it's it. You know you don't got to dig into the whole thing. It's worth finding that video of him With that body cam, that little thing we played out. You know where it's just him. That little thing we played out. You know where it's just. You see this instant shift in his, in who he is, and you know it. It's gross and weird and these people come to be and somehow happen, and I bet his parents are pretty normal.

1:27:46 Who knows you? You know what the situation was of his upbringing? Who knows? But it's super gross man. And whenever I see these things and dig into them, like one of the things that takes me off the most is how long it takes to get a trial done. Oh yeah, so he was arrested march 2021 and he was. It was not until, uh, february 2023 that his trial and sentencing happened. What's up with that he?

1:28:28 I mean, here's the deal. Yes, you need the right to a fair process and due process. You have a complete right to do process, pleading, insanity, whatever. We all know that's the move. That's your first, you know your first try, especially if you have anything from the dsm-5 you know I have adhd so I'm insane or whatever you want to try to use. But same thing with like, oh, who was it? The? The shooter for the theater for the Batman movie? Oh, yeah, yeah, his trial was like three years after it happened. Mm, hmm, you know what? It's pretty damn obvious who done it. You know what is pretty damn obvious.

1:29:09 Who done it. He is like in that case, you know they arrested him on the site, right, um, and then in this case the kid says he did it, takes him in a room, walks him through the whole thing, um, and maybe we could sometimes we maybe should have a discussion on the death penalty and hearing how we feel about it. Yeah, because there are certain individuals in certain instances where I personally believe you forfeited your right to continue to roam the earth or exist on the earth, and it's kind of in contradiction to my belief is that individuals can be redeemed as well from, like my other standpoints.

1:29:52 But and so I'm conflicted in in in the death penalty as well myself, but I've arrived at the fact that sometimes take that person out, hang a rope over a tree and strap them up. Real good, um. So, first of all, satin didn't get this trial done for two years and now Guess what he gets to do. Three square meals a day, live out the rest of his life. It's kind of a miserable life, but this kid seems like someone who likes to just read books. Anyways, get unlimited amount of that in jail. You know like, I don't know, this is my like, my little, my little rant, my little little thing.

1:30:33 I'm like listen, hang him from a tree, be done with it. Me and you and the rest of everybody here get to pay for him to exist the rest of the time. For you know he's freaking 21. He's gonna live for another 80 years. Yeah, um and uh, I don't know. It's like, anyways, the that's like my like in bigger picture thing. That, just when I see these things, that drives me crazy, super disgusting. This, this guy I keep saying kid because he was 19, but really, this man, you know, disgusting, did some, and we had somebody here in our town uh, help kill a homeless man. Uh, about heck, it could have been five years ago.

1:31:16 It could have been three months ago, my mental clock so messed up. But someone same thing here, oh really, yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, it wasn't that long ago. Same thing homeless man was murdered here by a young individual. Um and uh, it's just, I don't know man like things like I, I think of like reddit and like forums and deep dark webs, and go down in these little recon fight we've talked about this before where all these people can find their little like subculture. Or before, if you lived in a town of 500 people, you were just the weirdo. Yeah, now guess what? every all the weirdos can find each other and reinforce their, their, uh, you know their sickness well, the crazy thing too with that whole video if you watch it is like all of his quote-unquote friends from high school they all were like yeah, he was the only one though that we all thought like he might kill somebody and he will.

1:32:14 He would just tell them he was like I, yeah, I really want to kill someone. Or like it'd be crazy to kill someone when and like they never at once reported it and like when the news came out, they in that interview, in that, in that that video, they go over the interviews with the teachers. All of his teachers are like not surprised. Every single one of them was like I wasn't surprised when I found out it was brian. Someone was like I think someone even said something along the lines of like I knew it was brian before they said the name right, whereas like holy shit, like maybe do something about it. You know, like, like I get the system's broken, but, dude, like freaking, let the police know, because, okay, if you, if you let the police know and you are the squeaky wheel long enough, maybe he gets moved from the school.

1:32:58 Maybe the parents are like, well, this isn't sustainable for us and, like you know, we need to move them to a different place, okay, so they pull him out of that school, away from his friends that are reinforcing these thoughts and behavior and asking him about it all the time, like interacting with it, and then he gets to potentially be in a new environment where he's going to meet new people and hopefully be pulled down a different path. You know what I mean? It's like just anything to change the variables, cause it's like essentially like the variables not changing is what leads to this, right, um, so I don't know All that leads to this, right, um, so I don't know all that said crazy stuff. It's a great, great uh video that goes through like the whole process and um, beginning to end of the interviews and uh, the interrogation, as well as like the whole um investigation by the police.

1:33:45 Uh, really encourage people to check it out if you're into kind of the crime stuff, um. But uh, pat, sir, I'm being informed by our wives that the golden bachelor is ceased. It's over, it's over, all right, I think we have to return back to the back to the grind oh yeah, I don't think I said this. I was also informed by, uh, my wife, that, um, they need you to drive me to your house where they are currently all right that they uh they had a few too many golden glitter, all right cocktails.

1:34:27 All right, that's funny, oh man. Well, we covered a couple things here tonight, a lot of good stuff. A classic Mick and Pat episode, exactly. So this will be airing after you've just listened to hopefully listened to the part two of Pawn of Ours Moose Hunt, and that was a super fun episode. We did hope you uh, if you didn't listen to it, go back and check it out. Um, that was a great time with him guys got such a good voice, he's got a voice. He's got a great voice and uh and great stories and just a genuine, um, awesome individual. So check that out and uh, we're happy to keep doing this.

1:35:08 I'm flying out in the morning to the, to the, the sunny beaches of the sunny of hawaii anti to a socialist nation of hawaii this is true, this is true, but I'm gonna enjoy some beach time and, uh, then we'll be back at it recording here soon. But, yeah, any closing things you got for him. Pat, have fun, be safe. Hope you enjoy Hawaii. It's a great place and I think the last little closing thing I'd say is folks, the world's going to keep spinning. If you did vote for Trump, make sure to show love and kindness to those who didn't.

1:35:50 If you did vote for Trump, make sure to show love and kindness to those who didn't. If you didn't vote for Trump, show love and kindness to those who did and, honestly, we'll probably be far less divided, and doing that is going to pull us in the direction where we'll have a much more moderate candidate who recognizes the largest voter base are people who get along and see eye to eye on most things and can love each other regardless of politics. That's my sign off, pat. Till next time.