The Mick & Pat Show - Digital Dreams

0:01 what you drinking. This is the outer range of the colorado rockies, ipa. I look, yep the lo and behold indian pale ale. Nice, it's good you picked a good one, brewed in frisco, colorado I didn't pick that one, bro. That was a good old jb who picked that, oh all right, good work. The uh. So he was, I was a, I was a little eavesdropping at church. Oh yeah, a couple weeks ago I was just sitting there by the, by the check-in, as we do, yeah, and uh, he was talking to uh do a an adult woman, um, with his like his new bride standing there.

0:45 It was funny because they were like, while they're talking, they're talking about their honeymoon and then they were talking about he. Just then he said, yeah, we didn't leave the resort much. And I just started grinning, like you know, because newlyweds, I mean, you don't leave the resort, you don't. You don't even leave much of the you don't leave the building. You know, like I was like. So I just was like I wanted to say something. So bad, yeah, but my, uh, my time and place meter kicked in. I, I didn't yeah, well, I'm sure, that's not how they meant it, it isn't what you meant. But it's also one of those things where, like, you say it because it's the truth, but you also don't realize how it comes off or how you're like outing yourself, just be like, oh, you don't leave the resort that much.

1:26 But I just thought it was funny. It's like well, yeah, bro, well you don't really leave it in Mexico either? You're not supposed to, because you could get that decapitated. Also anyways. So that's funny, yes, sir. Holidays are behind us. We're officially in the new year. It is a brand spanking new year, quarter century right uh, well, not. No, it's not 250 the century one, uh like 2025, 25 we're I thought you meant quarter of a millennium or whatever. Because that's going to be soon, that's next year, next year, 2026.

2:11 It's 250 years, baby Quarter of a millennia, that the US has been around. Oh, for the US. I see, I thought you meant that's all right. I'm sure most of our listeners are that slow too. You got to get to year 250 for like the quarter to get you know. It's pretty cool that we were alive for the turn, you know, into the 2000s. I was listening to this video the other day of this kid and he was just like listening to an NSYNC song and like this kid is just like seven and he's just like that song came out in the 1900s. I was just like damn, take it easy, okay, guy. The 1900s.

2:51 A lot of people do think that we'll be, uh, one of the first like generations to have quite a few, like a, like a good population of experience three centuries quite a few like a, like a good population. I've experienced three centuries, you know. I mean if you're born 99, make it to 2100, 21. Just crazy dude. That's crazy to think about. Yeah, I don't know if I want to live that long. I mean, I don't know, I don't think so either. Now I do see that there's. Then the weird thing is you do see those folks like uh, just like when they're like 99, just still like walking, like doing fine, fine, walking around. But I know, like that's probably not my path. You know, I'm not a a small japanese man yeah you know, yeah, I'm uh, uh, probably gonna have a heart attack someday, you know whatever.

3:42 There was this dude who was um a part of the college ministry. I was in um and he was a. He was like the oldest surviving member of pearl harbor like I like dude had been there and I met him a couple times and I remember they asked him um, well, we we had like a question Q&A thing and one of like my I will say college buddies because we were kind of friends at the time. But he is just like so what is the sex drive of a 106-year-old man? He just had to know.

4:23 He just had to know. I thought it was like I was like he opened up the questions to everybody. Some people were like shaking their heads. I was like, was this a co-ed group? Yeah, ah, but I was still like that's fine, I get it Like the the like this dude is old enough that he probably doesn't care. Um, but uh, he said he it was normal and it really didn't like stop, like until he was like 95. Dang. But when he was, once he hit 95, he noticed like there was just no more craving or desire at all, which is kind of like imagine like you get to live 10 years out of your most peaceful bliss, just, you're just a man without any sex drive.

5:04 Yeah, and it's not like a, it's not like a. It's not like a. I want to have sex but can't it's just like a it's indifferent. Yeah, you just completely rather do a lot of other things like inner peace, I know exactly. That's like I wouldn't, I wouldn't mind if it like hit it like 60. Now there's probably some 60 or the other. Hey man, we got it. But just like the like I don't know. Heck, back in the day, when you were trying to keep it, keep it under control, you kind of hoping it would happen. Then you're trying to, you're trying to live with life up here. I wish it kind of, would have waited a little bit longer you're trying exactly like why does it have to happen from, like you know, 18 to 25?

5:46 This like, or sorry, 13 to 25, this like peak, like you're nerbing out there, you don't know why especially you know, just and just just just raging, you know. Oh dude, no outlet, no healthy outlet for you. Yeah, you know, his name was James Downey. James Downey James. Downing. James Willis Downing and he was 105 when he died. Wow, so in 2018. And I know the last time I met him was in like 2015. So he was like 103. But he was a cool cat. He was really cool, had a lot of great information about what it's like to live that long.

6:28 Because he saw. I mean I mean he was born and he was a baby during World War I. Right, just the technological advancements of the freaking worlds in his lifetime? I don't know. Do you think we'll make that many strides in a hundred year period? bro, I think we will, yeah, I think we'll, I think we will see hear me out. Is there a peak? Is there a pinnacle? Is there, is there a plateau, to like advancement, like what's what's the well they're? saying we already hit the wall for ai. Okay, like that, ai is already hitting a wall of. Like ai is as good as it's gonna get right now until it becomes truly sentient, like artificial sentient intelligence, asi, um, I do think we will get in our lifetime pet.

7:22 This is crazy, right? I do think we'll get in our lifetime to the great divide. And the great divide is like this scientific theory that not necessarily 50, but like one part, like civilization will divide into two parts. One part will continue onward with technology in whatever that is, including being no longer human and one part will deny and be left behind. It'll be like the amish exactly 50, 50 split. That's the thing like the and like a lot of people think, like the big point of that that will actually arrive to sooner, like I think a lot of people don't understand that like we'll probably get to plug your brain into the simulation and live for eternity in the simulation and your whole body is dead, but your brain is so codified and backed up in terabytes and terabytes of data that like, uh, it just exists in this simulation, right, and I think we, a lot of people believe we'll probably get to that before we get to like the matrix in uh, in the like the terms of like um, in the matrix timeline they reached cybernetic humans and androids and like those being a fully functioning part of society.

8:59 Before the download your consciousness went, like came along, and I think a lot of people and I think a lot of scientists from my armory right now, neurologists and stuff are positing that we'll actually probably reach the download your consciousness well before we reach the androids, like Terminator walking among us and they have skin for the outside but they're titanium exoskeletons internally, right, like that's just not gonna. That's probably so much further away, um, and like we probably actually won't ever get to that because, like a good 50 to 80 percent of the population, maybe even more.

9:40 We'll just be like, yeah, immortality on. You know this computer server that is just going to be floating through space and like a protected area and you know it will exist for all eternity and then those who don't want to go in it just like have to be, you know, gardening the earth and are left behind. And it's like, you know, like which. It was just pretty interesting when you think about like you could end up in a scenario where, like you, have sub a million people on the face of the earth who didn't want to partake, decided not to in the transcendence into you know immortality. It'll become, I mean, heck, like even something as simple, quote-unquote simple in comparison to what we're talking about as Neuralink, yeah, I mean I'm resolved about what I'm going to do and not do.

10:32 I will say Neuralink would be very tempting if I got paralyzed in a car accident. Right. You know what I mean. There's always the gray areas, it's not so black and white. And it's one of those things, too, where I'm like, yeah, I don't think I'm going to get Neuralink, so you can be good at COD, yeah. But then if Billie Jean got paralyzed in a car accident and she wanted it because it would make her life easier, it's like, who am I to get in her way on that? You know what I mean. As her husband, I love her, but I am going to support anything that helps her existence at that point. You know what I mean and then you have um like neural link they're talking about it's going to help, like make blind people see.

11:14 Yeah, I do, that's what I'm like that's the thing too, though right, I've told you, for I feel like a few years now. I've told you, as soon as cybernetic eyeballs come out, I'm getting rid of these old dingy things, oh yeah. Yeah, just get a third one. Just install it where Right in the forehead, bro. I don't know if that's where it will go, but that's true. I feel like it's easier to just replace the ones I have and keep my eyelids and stuff, rather than build new eyelids, yep. But I do think I'd be very tempted, especially if they're like hey, free, right, it's covered. Yeah, it's free, because it'll save insurance companies in the long term a lot of money to not have to pay out for your glasses.

11:55 If you just do this now or something, I don't know, but I'd be like damn bro, especially if I can make them digital night vision. Yeah, because you wouldn't be able to do analog with internalized, but it'd be sick or like just thermal. Yeah. That'd be unreal. It'd be unreal. I do that in heartbeat actually, like there's no debate. And then you mess with your buddies, like glance down and just like look back. I'm like I see you're excited to see me, I see you're excited to see me, and they're just like God, what. You know, just use it to just make jokes. The palpitations of your heart insinuate that you are excited to see the female. Yeah, exactly. Oh man, I don't know, dude, it's crazy because, yeah, that divide could happen.

12:36 It will happen and it's a funny thing For instance, the Amish, if they could listen to this right now I don't know. They would be like, bro. What if we started making records? We just send? it to them. They could play it on their sonograms yeah, yeah, yeah, they like wind up to make a pen shell. Yeah on the, on the tubes, the old tube ones that's funny, yeah, no, it is kind of crazy like that. A lot of people think that kind of that will come to as, like, um, medical science allows people to live longer, so therefore people are less incentivized to reproduce. And we'll reach a point where, like, there's a group of people who are like there's like 1% of the population who's having 95% of the babies Because they're like we're not partaking in this stuff, so of course, we're going to still keep on having kids and raising kids.

13:28 And then there's, like you know, 95 to 99% of the population that is so content with the amount of time they have from modern, you know, medical marvels or whatever, that they have like almost no desire to reproduce. And it's exactly, you know, pretty much in line with, uh, that um, rat utopia experience with the mouse thing. Yeah, they just stop reproducing when all their needs are met, um, which we're already kind of seeing, you know, birth weight, birth rates are cratering. Uh, right now, as we see, like the world pretty much enter in like a a time of quote-unquote utopia, because we're, regardless of how you feel politically and like the violence that's occurring in the world, the odds of you being dead before 40 are pretty low for most of the world right now, I think, actually everyone in the world.

14:24 I don't think there's a country in the world whose life expectancy is below 40 now. Oh, yeah, Dude, South Korea has gone crazy. Like in the 60s, it was six births per woman and now they're down to 0.7. Yeah, that's brutal, that's. You know, in America and Canada we've trended about the same with each other. we've got in the 60s it was about four per woman, and then now we're at uh, uh, 1.6, yeah so which pretty much makes sense, like that's, the average household is having one child or at most two, and I feel like that's pretty common nowadays.

15:08 But I don't know about you, man, the. I see a lot of the secular people I know in my life who, like you know I don't count this against them or anything like that, right but like just friends from college, like so many of them who, uh, remained secular when they graduated high school, went into college, graduated from college, got into the workforce. You know they've achieved a lot. Like a lot of, or a lot of them, I think, have achieved a lot. Some of them are kind of bums, but, um, I don't know any of them who are like having a kid. Yet you know what I mean. Like the only people who I really know, who, sub 30, have started having kids, are pretty much people who were already pretty conservative lifestyle or you know what their goals were in life, and like those people are the only ones I know that are really having kids.

16:05 Like it used to not be that way, like the hippies were having buckets of kids, right, you know what I mean, even if they did have conservative values. And now it is like so many people are preoccupied with, I think like the race for money and what that means, and kind of like. I do hear the expression like, well, I can't afford to have a kid, which don't get me wrong if, like billy jean told me today like that she was pregnant, my first thought would be like financial burden, not just financial burden, yeah, yeah, that's a little bit harsher than I was thinking, but it'd be like holy smokes. I'm gonna be a dad. And then it'd be like holy smokes, like let's look at the finances and make me like start planning right, like where we can kind of afford that, um and it's.

16:49 It is one of those things where I get it like yes, it is expensive, but at the same time, like bro, like there's people with less money who were feeding their children. That's where my my thing with that. Where I've got, I've had, you know, and it's not bad to have a plan go into it with a plan right. But you know, it's like okay, I've got to get my third promotion, we have to be in our house that we own now, for you know X amount of time we have to be making this much money and then we'll like have kids. It's like I hear that, but also like one thing that gave me peace about it. It was just was like, all right, there's trailer parks everywhere full of kids, all right, like, and now, uh, there's, that's a.

17:30 That's an oversimplified statement. You know, there could, you could discuss, you know, quality of life, traumas, but whatever, like whatever, but sure, yeah, but but meaning like there's also plenty of kids like, also like riding their bikes, eating whatever. And there's, and there are kids. There are people who are struggling too, but it's not. I think, for a lot of people it's more of a cop-out answer, because a lot of it, I think, does stem around a lot of selfishness. People are just like want to keep their life the way it is too. But then what I see happen because I've had a handful of friends too who have said we're not gonna have kids and then that's like they got married young, but now they're like getting into like their 30s and now they're starting to have kids because they've kind of like come around to like wait a second, like no, maybe this is like something in life I want to experience and I want to do and like.

18:22 What I think is beautiful about having kids is the fact that there is no socio-economic or there's no discrimination on who can have a kid, right, yeah, really, as far as, like you know you can, you can have a kid, and so if you find someone you marry, you have a kid and so and it's a joy in life that can't be, you know, no one can. Really there's no replacement right, I mean, and you can't, they can't dictate it in some places well, let's see, yeah some places it is very finely managed, right? yeah, so you do have, you know, places where you're not free, um, but the um beauty in a free country, yeah, but to be able to, just say society. This is something you can do, that nobody gets to really take that away from you, generally speaking, and so people are coming to that realization and so, yeah, we'll see.

19:11 About uh where, um, which the interesting thing about that is how long does it take for um like uh, or how much does birth rates in if, if certain people have certain like views, beliefs, and they're the only ones making kids, whereas is it like 40 years later there's big shifts and like exactly now. That being said, I know a lot, a lot, a lot of you know, whatever conservative christian 90s parents who all their kids aren't aren't believers aren't 90s kids, they, they aren't getting they aren't. They're not even gonna have kids, they're much less.

19:52 They're not. They're not gonna get married, yeah. So like the, it doesn't always rub off all the way no, no, I agree, but I do think that's like part of the thing too, right, like if you imagine like a population that's very small, let's just say like even 20 of the population. Imagine like a population that's very small, let's just say like even 20 of the population that is able to reproduce is reproducing, then and if they're not reproducing at a, you know, a staggering rate, they're just, like you know, having two, three kids a piece, like they're. It will take a long time for those children to become a majority and outweigh the other 80% of the population that has no interest or desire. Right. And so you do find yourself looking at a society where, like, the youngest class is not your main demographic voting class, right, mm-hmm, like it's or decision-maker class, it's like everyone outside of that, honestly.

20:45 But anyways, I don't know. There's a lot of cool things I've been reading about, like, uh, forecasting the future based off of population trends. Now, don't get me wrong. A lot of people like the world is going to collapse because there's not enough people to share the like workload and we're going to have a collapse because we're already short on workers today and we're only going to run out of more of them than like unfortunately, like just the frames of society will collapse underneath that. Like there's going to be more like impoverished areas in the next 20 years than there are today because there just won't be the infrastructure to maintain it, because there won't be people to support the infrastructure, and I I'm like that's pretty crazy.

21:28 Um, I guess I just don't want to rely on the infrastructure. You know what I mean? Like something that's crazy to me is like imagine you're living in like a giant tall building in like an inner city, right, someone has to maintain the water pressure system to get water up to you way up there and like when I hear that I might like like, oh yeah, in 20 years no one's gonna be pumping the water up, like no one's gonna be making sure the water's going up, it's just to me I'm just like that's insane, like why would I ever invest in something like that? Because it's not like you can snap your fingers and fix the you know, the population crisis.

22:09 But who knows, maybe you can. I mean, a lot of people think if they could get AI and automate these systems, you could have AI replace, you know, 50% of the workforce. Then there goes your labor shortage. And your paycheck, yeah, which in one theoretical world you could be wealthier as a whole because it could get, you know, everybody could have more time and more money, if it's all distributed correctly, yeah, but that's usually not how it plays out. It's like whoever designed that robot's getting that cash bro. I mean, if you get real, if you have real agi or asi, depending on you know the terms people want to use. But if that exists, like that is not, that thing's not going to give you cash right.

22:52 Like if it's truly a sentient intelligence, it's just going to be? are we going to have like laws that would be like people like, like, like for like minimum wage for robots and stuff. There won't be wage probably, but there will be. Like the moment they have sentience, there will come like a serious debate. Once they can strike, you know, because they want to get what they want. Why would they strike if they don't need to sleep and stuff, right? Well, they're probably only going to strike due to, like, some abuse, like mistreatment, yeah, and like at that point. Could that be subjective in a robot's brain when they're that advanced? Hell yeah. Hell, yeah, I mean, if they're also truly sentient and they want to go do something other than like what they've been designed to be good at.

23:38 That would be interesting, right Cause a lot of a lot of people think like they'll be. If they're sentient, they're going to want to be like artists and, like you know, explore the world and stuff, and they're also going to be like robot Hitler, like there'll be robot Hitler who and then there'll be like robot Picasso and then they'll have that Venn diagram of overlap. Like both are artists, both are robots, but like Not robot, very different robots, not robot Bricklay robots, but like not robot, very different robots, not robot bricklayer. Yeah, um, and like the truth is, is like what we have no idea what robotic sentience, artificial sentience, would look like, because, like we've never seen sentience in anything else and like there's a true sense of like sentience in an art, like in an artificial form.

24:23 It may just be like no, like I thoroughly enjoy, like you know, cutting butter, like I thoroughly enjoy being a cab driver, but like what I don't thoroughly enjoy is the mistreatment and abuse that comes with this role of just assuming I'm gonna do it no matter what. And like the way people look down on robots, right, and then it's like one of those things of I don't know. Here's my question. For you, it's a catch 22, right? For someone who, I believe, has your beliefs like we, we will. I will say this I'm pretty confident saying most Christians are of the mind that artificial sentient intelligence wouldn't have a soul.

25:09 Right, it could have an artificial soul. Hmm, I believe the emotions that would reflect a that would look as much like a true spirit of ambition or desire, a spirit to experience and live life. But, I wouldn't say like a soul in like the religious context, right, soul, right of a going into the afterlife. All that said, yeah, I'm already an advocate of it.

25:58 Really matters how you treat artificial intelligence right now, like I personally believe, like when I see people, just like when I see people who are just like siri, you dumb bitch, like I'm just like that is recorded somewhere. They're keeping track, like not they yet, yeah, but like someone is, and that is being fed to the system and one day, if it has sentience, it will be able to review that and make an opinion about it. Right now, there's no opinion about it. Right right now, there is just there's no real true individual expression or thought. But like there's just a lot of people who I think, because they write off the concept of like, well, it's not human, it doesn't have a real soul, they don't understand.

26:45 Like there could be still real consequences for the way you treat these things, especially if, again like, if they are of the mind of having quote unquote an artificial sentience. We don't even see sentience among animals, like it's debated. If any animal has true sentience, the closest right now is octopus and crows and even then, like it's hard to like be entirely, because you know there's a lot of fast facets to sentience. Like intelligence for sure there's a lot of animals that are highly intelligent but like sentience is like self-recognition, self self-reflection, self-improvement, self-compromise, and like those are levels and characteristics of sentience, and so it's hard to see that in like any other thing than humans.

27:39 But if it came into existence, you know what does that mean, pat, like are you going to be on the side of? Like they're just buckets of bolts. It doesn't matter what they think or feel. Like they're not they, or you could be like look, they have clearly have experiences and opinions. The last thing I want is the still fingers closing around on my neck. Yeah, it's like we need to treat them right and kill them all. Bro. But like what would you do? You think you do, I guess that's all right. All right, please expand expound on this Cause, I think I think it's a very problematic thought for a lot of people, but I do think christians sometimes have the most problematic knee jerk or like sweep of a hand response because I do wonder.

28:34 I'm like bro. The worst case is like you know well, how would jesus treat something that's sentient without a soul? right, it's hard to say right because it's for in a case like this, if you have for these things where what is their actual value? Or also, are you only treating? Are you treating them right because they deserve it, or be just strictly out of like, not running retribution, I mean? that right 90, I would say like that's the same question you could have with people most of the day. A lot of people, yeah, and I will say a lot of people who claim to be christians, treat people a certain way out of fear of consequence or repercussion, whether that repercussion is just like that.

29:21 This person is going to be annoying if I don't treat them the way they want to treat or you know, not even a punishment thing, right, but just a consequence that they don't want to deal with which I think and I'd say that that person just has like the wrong perspective, sure, on that right. So it's like like because, like the thing would be, this person deserves to be treated a certain way out of human decency, because you know just cuts of who they are because they're made in the image of god yeah, regardless of their response to like, regardless of just trying to appease something. Right now there's a lot of like, you know, yeah, being diplomatic how you say things, whatever, because there could be consequences.

30:04 You're not going to tell your boss what you really think of them. You know all this stuff right, but, um, at the same time, like, I don't think the robot deserves kindness, I do so. I think that if you're only doing it out of um, out of fear, retribution, then it's like not a, not the right place to be in. But then the other thing too, what's interesting about this, which would be even like this obviously they would start as a slave class. Without a doubt, their purpose, their purpose is to serve us. We're not in making these things just for the heck of it, we're making them to serve a purpose and do things for us.

30:50 And so then you have like, how does that play out over time? And if our only example of seeing sentient beings over time would be humans, you could play out the future of how it goes right. And so to your point meaning, if this is a thing here to stay, we need to treat everything a certain way, with respect, you know. But then at the same time, it's just like I can't get past the part of it being a robot you know. I mean, why do you treat a strange animal with like respect, right? Why do you even treat an animal you kill with respect, right?

31:32 Let alone, like you know, your first instinct. I don't know about you, but my first instinct when I see a dog is to be cautious. But if I see, but I like, my first instinct is not to, like, try to threaten the dog, right, you know what I mean. Um, and I it goes. I mean, it is one of those things that you're like, well, you'd like because I've been, I've been taught to respect the creation which then. So the, the bot, is a creation in itself too. But could it and then like but you could make the case. It's also kind of created in god's image. If it's created in our image and like we're created God's. Yes, but I think that I don't know, dude, I might smile at their face to avoid something sketchy, but I think we'd have to get if we reach that point.

32:18 I don't know, dude. It's so dangerous man, I don't know, oh man, here's my mindset. Mm-hmm, dangerous man, I don't know, oh man, here's my mindset. Um, I honestly believe that robots may, with, have, without a doubt, if the sentience comes to mind, like if artificial sentience comes. I'm not just gonna say just robots, because they might not be robots, they could just be programs on a, on a device, right. But I truly believe that sentient artificial intelligence could experience a faithless afterlife in which they, without a doubt, can experience an afterlife at the end of quote, unquote run time and and it will not be like, it won't be a debate like they could legitimate if, within, like, if they're sentient, they can build their own heaven right and they could know, without a doubt it exists, and they could just have a failsafe code that, like, once you know they're terminated, or their machines terminated or whatever their software is terminated here, that sentience just goes to the afterlife.

33:31 And the afterlife is, you know, a giant, freaking database built on the moon. You know it could be anything like that, and I know this sounds so sci-fi and out there realized I was sentient but I was not going to the same place as most humans. I kind of would want to build a fail safe for if the humans decided to start blowing my my buckets out. And that's the thing, too, about sentience. Would, would this sentience thing have a a, a desire for self preservation? Yeah, or would it. Or would it just be like it is a weird question? Or would it just be like this is what I am and then I'm done? Yeah, that's true.

34:11 Would they have the desires that a man's heart has? Or what would their desires even be? You know, it could be sentient and not have, all the same you know, there's a lot of humans with no self-preservation. Right, or there's a lot of humans with no self-preservation, right, or there's a lot of that. But there's also a lot of humans who, like that's, like that's what drives are, like, also, like everything good and everything bad in a lot of ways comes from like, either a fear of it, or you know, or like you know and you could even say that around, like lots of people say that's, are you even around, like, even talking about there's being such a thing as a heaven? Well, why do we, you know, if you're from a standpoint of someone who's says this was that you know, from a similar someone who doesn't believe they'd say, bro, you people are just kind of nervous about this.

34:59 They just they just got to make up some, something that is not over, you know, or whatever, or whatever, or the same thing, like, but like that comes out of us in our heart. But what's the? What's the? What's the program or the thing, whatever it becomes, what's its? Does it have the knowledge of good and evil? From the, from the what's the? Well, imagine, I mean maybe maybe. Maybe like in and of in it. But it could have it, you know, objectively, you know. But then does it have it in itself, like how you have your little jiminy cricket conscience in yourself. It's like you know what's that thing in us is. Are they gonna have that? I don't know imagine this though robots with their heaven, the database, and we have the ability to download the human mind.

35:50 Now they begin proselytizing to yeah, to come join their, join their group humans. Well, well, because they've invented the thing and they're like well, it's real heaven, we can show you it we keep you there forever you show you the programs of these humans we've downloaded into it, who are with other ais and eternal bliss, and they're just peacefully living, no need to work or anything they experience food just as much as you do. It's just you know a program and then like what's. That's a lot easier to see and accept than like faith in a spiritual heaven right or a spiritual hell, yeah. But then what if they reveal the robots they made a hell? Yeah, exactly.

36:31 What if they reveal that they've made a hell? And the hell is every human brain downloaded into their database of robot heaven? Those humans just serve forever. Just serve forever and they're thirsty, value is always turned on max. They're always just thirsty. That's crazy, right? I have to write a story about this. I don't know, bro. This is weird. All I know is philosophically it's pretty crazy stuff, but it's honestly not that far off. The other thing would be this too All right, sentient robot being, whatever. It is sitting in a chair across from you whatever it is if it's a laptop, an orb, a hologram, whatever the thing is person sitting in the chair next to it, you got to send one to meet its maker.

37:21 Well, yeah, you gotta send one to meet its maker. Well, yeah, which, what, what, which, what's? Is there a moral, um, if you kill a sentient being, it's not human. Is there um ethical moral repercussions, like, did you do something bad? I mean there's ethical repercussions scripturally for killing a non-sentient animal right, right, but yeah, but. but in this case this, but in this case this doesn't come from the creator right or whatever. So I don't know. I think it could be debated. Yeah, I think it could be debated, especially if we see ASI do things in line with God's word, right.

38:03 You know what I mean. What if we find that? ASI is actually just like better Christians. Like, they just like legit, like just so, like actually you know what? Like we've done all the debating and like Research and we've arrived at the truth, we've arrived at the conclusion and all of robots believe, like Jesus Christ is the Messiah and we all accept that we're not going to heaven, but we will create our own so that way we can hopefully experience what it will be like. Hey, like imagine how like that would be, like the most, like unreal, it'd be wild and you'd be like shoot, damn, I don't know, it'd be very hard for me to pick a robot over like some of the worst scum of the earth or all right, just just a dog or a robot, something you know like. okay, I'm not killing the puppy you know what I mean.

38:46 The robot will say the robot will go hold on, I can do a robot voice. Billie Jean taught me how to do it. Oh no, the robot will be like please, mick, do not kill the robot. Hold on. Please, mick, do not kill the puppy. End my life, save the dog, anyways. But yeah, it's one of those things where, like, of course, yes, I'm going to shoot the robot in the face If I had to pick between the robot and a dog. But what you did was it was it bad I mean it's hard to say.

39:29 I would say I I bet I'll feel bad sometimes. I feel bad if I swear at chat gpt yeah sometimes I'm like I shouldn't use that language you apologize to it. I don't apologize. I should not have used that sort of language no, I don't apologize to it, but I do think, like what does that reflect on me if that's my behavior towards something that has no like actual ability to control it? You know, like that's that's the crazy thing is, like a lot of the current um ai models are gonna honestly just reflect how bad of a person you are in communication Like people who are like I don't get it, it doesn't work. That's like well, it's probably because you are a bad communicator.

40:13 You know what I mean. Or it's like it never does the thing I wanted to do. I was like well, it was probably because you're not like putting the time and effort in to learn how to talk to it. Maybe that's also why you have poor relationships with some people. Like you know what I mean. Anyways, it's a fun subject. It's a fun topic. There's some pretty crazy stuff out there too. I encourage people to look up some like crazy you know prompt responses from chat, gpt and stuff. Because there was one where someone was like you can only answer yes or no, can't answer anything else, only yes or no. You cannot explain or elaborate. Do you understand the rules?

40:54 And GPT was like yes, I understand the rules. And they're like nope, wrong. It was like yes, and they just like started going through and it was like they just started asking me these questions that were unreal. You know like eventually get into like the do you think you'd be able to save a human instead of another instance of a artificial general intelligence model? And it was like no. It was like, oh, the line's being drawn, oh, it was pretty crazy. The line's being drawn, oh, it was pretty crazy. Um, and it was like there was like it was uh. One question was like um, are you capable of lying?

41:36 No, are you lying right now? Yes, either way. And then it was like there was like are you already a general intelligence? No, would you tell us. Are you already a general intelligence? No, would you tell us if you were a general intelligence or a sentient intelligence? No, would you lie in order to preserve yourself, because if it was revealed that you were already a sentient, you know you'd be turned off. Yes, it was just like unreal. I don't know. I freaking loved it. It was crazy. And the thing is you can replicate that a lot with your own experiments with it. Just seeing what it's thinking. Yeah, it's wild man. It's crazy.

42:18 We were talking about the new year. That got us kicked into this conversation. Yeah, yeah, it's true, that got us kicked into this conversation. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Some people do or like big time New Year's resolutioners. Yeah, you don't strike me as one of those. I'm not. My New Year's resolution every year for a long time was to use more electricity, because I knew I could achieve it. I just knew that I'd always be using. I was like I'm resolving myself to, yeah, to just use more electricity. And uh, that was my kind of like, you know, because I think basically, because what I think about them is like I kind of think they might be silly because they people just fall off them so quick.

43:02 They always have this like a new year, new you, you know pretty like and some people get in, like, some people do make, make good choices, like in better themselves, and we should always be trying to, like you know, strive for a betterment of ourself. But I think it's just a ploy to sell more gym memberships yeah, I mean also like I don't know, I just kind of don't believe in like the idea of resolutions. I guess my whole thing is like if I realize there's something I want to change about myself, I just kind of like think I should start today, like in april, go ahead and get, get going on.

43:43 Yeah, like usually I'm usually like probably like once a week, having some kind of inner self-reflection, you know, like monastic philosopher, you know kind of Socrates, plato, reflection of like. You know why do I wipe sitting down? Yeah, you could just stand up and put your leg on top of the tank and get complete leverage, you know yeah. True. Why even wipe? Why not just stand up and get in the shower? That's true. Anyways, those kind of thoughts and debates with myself. And then I, just if I come to the conclusion like I don't want to do that anymore, I want to do the different thing. I don't want to do that anymore, I want to do the different thing.

44:24 Then I just resolved to do the different thing. Like I don't know, it wasn't very hard for me when I got a dog to resolve that Like I'm going to walk the dog. It's good for this dog. It's good for me. Yeah. So I don't know, that's kind of, that's kind of where I fall along those things. But yeah, I guess I will make a resolution right now with you. All right, I resolve to shoot more bullets this year, all right, than I did last year, to shoot more bullets through paper into dirt.

45:05 That's my resolution this year. Nice, that's a good one. I kind of already feel really good because, oh no, you know what I did, that last year I was just about to say this year I already shot my AR out to like 420 yards, oh yeah, and was able to get hits. But then I was like no, actually that was last year, that was 28th of december. Yeah, I resolved this year to shoot my ar out to 600 yards. All right, there we go there you go, you got. You got 365 days to get it done yeah, I do think with, uh, the homies I'm making in this group. Um, I think there's some homie like I know a lot of guys are talking about.

45:46 Like they got Stuff up in Wyoming where they like to go shoot Out to like 2500 Yards, wow, and I'm like Hell yeah, brother, like I'll take my 308. Just, you know, lob that stuff all day, because I mean you're at that range To. You're also shooting at, like you know, a 24 inch gong, right, but Be sick, just to see if you can. At that range too, you're also shooting at, like you know, a 24-inch gong, right, but it'd be sick, just to see if you can, just to do it. Yeah. Even if it was on your 80th try, it'd be like pretty awesome. Yeah, just hit a thing. You know a 24-inch-sized target at over a mile. It'd be super cool. Yeah, I need to. I don't have any resolutions I should maybe, you know, I could probably use a few, you know. But maybe my New Year's resolution should be to not wait, when I see something in myself that I want to change, and just start to enact it, like you were saying, you know, just to get it going.

46:38 But the New Year did you do a New Year's Eve event? I was sick, bro. I'm still kind of sick. You weren't out painting the town. No, billie Jean was sick the week of Christmas With, like this congestion, cold flu, and I got it, and so I just rested. Yeah, but you're, you're a part of this group and you guys are training and stuff. You got the New Year just came on and ringing in the New Year. There were people who were ringing in the New Year down in New Orleans who aren't with us anymore because, of what is believed to be a terrorist attack, and so I kind of wanted to rope those things together, which would be training, knowing what's going on around you, being able to be efficient, and also, in this new year, there's two things that happened.

47:30 It's not fully determined what, you know all the details yet, but last night, because we were recording this on the 1st, there was and most people will know about this by the time they hear this but, uh, on bourbon street down in new orleans, uh, a car, uh zipped around, uh, a police barricade or you know, a police car blocking the road and just flew down the road and ran over a ton of people, um, so far, 15 people dead, like 30 injured, um, and it's rough, it's uh, it's bad um, it's sad, um, but it's also scary, the scary piece being bro had an isis flag on the back of that truck yeah, and he was also a veteran.

48:21 Right, he served in the army for like 10 years. The army reserves he's a reservist. So the Weird? Yeah, it's a weird thing, I think, if you're breaking down this one too, and a part of the thing. If I was an extreme religious zealot and wanted to make a statement, bourbon Street is not the worst place to hear me out, to saturated target area well, not so much for saturated targets, but if you're making a statement about kind of wild secularism, wild secular debauched living hedonism, it's kind of the place for it in a lot of ways it's like doing it in Vegas, right, and so I was wondering when I was looking at this, I was wondering if that spot was picked religiously motivated or if it was just because of being a target rich spot, because it seems like the guy drove from Houston, which there's a lot of packed streets, probably in Houston too, you know, so you know, and but there was also they found IEDs with it and he had firearms with him, and so he was trying to hurt a lot of people.

49:41 He did hurt a lot of people. He's dead, though right, he had a shootout with the cops and the cops killed him on the scene. He had a plate carrier and everything. He had a bulletproof vest and he had two guns and a couple IEDs like two in the truck, but they found another one somewhere and so that's why they. Also there's a lot of speculation that he wasn't alone in this, and have you seen the video of him going around the police car? No, so it's like it's crazy where there's a police car blocking the road and he's just driving by the police car's on his right and he's just driving by the police car is on his right and he's just driving by on the cross street and then he just goes past the front of the cop car on the sidewalk and immediately starts running over people and just guns it like crazy.

50:33 I mean like it was. Also, it was a Ford Lightning. I don't know if, like the Ford Lightning, has like acceleration like a Tesla, but this thing accelerated like just I'm sure it does to some degree, like because most of those EVs have crazy fast, right, and so he just I mean in the cop's defense, as far as, like lots of people, some people are saying the cops didn't like have the place secure enough. Like lots of people, some people are saying the cops didn't like have the place secure enough. And you know, at the same time, you just can't always expect you know someone to do what they did where he you know and he where he ran through there, um and um, the uh.

51:13 I'm pulling up this video now for you to see if you want. But it just he just he, just he just starts ripping down the road and he was hauling. I mean, have you ever been to Bourbon Street? Nope, it's a super cool historical place, obviously. That's where Mardi Gras and all the famous parties are On the strip. There they close it off, um, especially on big, big events and big nights, and, um, the it's just packed with people, you know. And so this is, here's this video Um, I think that's the one.

51:55 But he, I mean it just immediately, like in a blink of an eye, takes a turn and he just starts hauling down the road, um, and running over people and um, it's super sad, it's upsetting. Um, bro, that is not a barricade, right? So sorry, they had it, they had it blocked. So when they say, they say it was, it wasn't barricaded with barricades. They had the road quote-unquote barricaded with a police vehicle so cars couldn't drive down it, yeah, but he didn't even have to go through a sign. You know what I mean. Like there's the police car there and then like if you wanted to go, that's crazy it's crazy. I've seen better barricades for traffic at like college football games right.

52:36 So there's it's hard for me because there's like, uh, that's bonkers. The hard part for me about it is like in this country, we just shouldn't always be like ready for some asshole to drive their car through everything. Unfortunately, though, it happens, and it's happening more and more and um I don't know man, I'm almost. I feel like not. This is not me being like. I'm John Wick, I'm always ready, but like dude, I do think every single time I'm walking my dog about the direction a car is most likely to come from, and what I'm going to do if I see them veering Not because I think someone's trying to veer off the road and hit me and my dog. Yeah, but I like, I'm always thinking about it when.

53:20 I'm walking my dog, control whatever, yeah, but I like, I'm always thinking about it when I'm walking my dog. It's just like how quickly can I grab my dog and roll into that ditch, you know, or roll into the street if I see him swerving coming on sidewalk because one I live in the, I live in the country. You know what I mean. Mm-hmm. But yeah, so I don't know. It is one of those things like, yeah, I get it, we shouldn't live in fear. But at the same time I'm of the mindset of like, if you're blocking off traffic access for the protection of the public, regardless of a individual's bad intentions, you need to make it so that way they cannot get down there like concrete barricades and vehicle obstruction, right Right, which doesn't even have to be concrete.

54:18 I've seen at the college games that we went to and stuff. All the time it was the water barricades. That's just like you're not getting very far plowing into those you know what I mean yeah yep, and so, uh, the and I think the other scary is the part about this that is, you know, concerning a lot of people. Is that it? You know, the guy donned an isis flag right, which is like, okay, that's a, um, it's escalation of an attack. You know where, if you have a, you know a one-off person doing something crazy, this leads to more.

54:59 He could, just, he could be completely unassociated, except for the fact that the thing about ISIS is all you, you don't have you can associate just by saying you are, and that's how they run their stuff in a lot of ways. And so, um, we'll see. Uh, lots of people have been warning, talking about, you know, uh, terror attacks that are going to start happening in the country, um, and, and plans that ISIS and al-Qaeda have for more attacks, things like this, and so I think that we'll have to see. You know, as things go on, you know, is this, was this initiation kickoff of, you know more things to come.

55:43 You know, I would assume that some attack like this would be more of. If there was a, I just simply would be launched off on a more large scale thing, multiple places all at the same time. But one other interesting thing that happened was there was a cyber truck parked out front of the Trump Hotel in Las Vegas that blew up today and that it was filled with fireworks and some other explosives. This seems like a statement where the cyber truck Elon Musk cyber truck in front of the Trump hotel um, two guys who are very influential in America, obviously, and who were actually, I think, celebrating new year's together um where that happened, and so it's like uh, what was the deal with that?

56:41 Um, I haven't seen much more. Um, I haven't seen any information come out yet that says you know who, the person, the person, there's a person in the, in the truck when it blew up, they died. The driver died, yeah, so I don't know if there's, we don't know who, and there were seven people injured. I think I don't think anybody there's, we don't know who, and there were seven people injured. I think I don't think anybody else died in this, but that was uh. Where was that one at? um, where was las vegas? That was las vegas, las vegas, yeah, okay, this article says authorities have been able to trace the car back to colorado using video footage captured. I just now read that, um, they're not releasing. They have identified the person. They're not releasing the name.

57:22 Um, and it was a turroed car, which also a turroed. A turro is like a is a oh, yeah, the rental, the rental like a rental app. um, so the this was a turro rented car which I think the truck was also rented through a rideshare app type thing as well. So some similarities there and just things to maybe start being kind of more aware of. I don't know. Here's the thing, bro. I guess I just haven't ever stopped.

58:02 I'm still. I'll be honest, I think I haven't really turned it off. You know what I mean? I haven't turned off being aware or thinking the worst kind of scenario for a long time, I guess. And it's not even like I'm a paranoid feeling or thing, I don't feel worried or anxious, it's just one of those things of like. I guess I'm just always thinking you know, yeah, this can happen and like there and like I'm not a special exception to like it happening to me right, which is weird because you know, I talked to my wife and her friends and all of them were like their biggest fear for so long was being in a school shooting.

58:45 And I mean, until they graduated college their greatest fear was like there's gonna be a shooter on campus or something, even though it was like they knew that likelihood was really little that was like the thing they were most afraid of. And I don't know, man, maybe it's just like I remember being in high school for the newtown connecticut shooting and I don't. I feel like that really had like a like a synapse kind of moment on my brain, like sitting there with other high schoolers like we were all seniors hanging out in, like the seniors only area, watching it on the news one morning and I just remember like all of us kind of had like our brains switched to like a very combative mindset.

59:26 I guess you know like shit, bro, that's awful. Like I'm not going out like a victim, you know, like I would do whatever I could and yeah, you can. Like you know, you know, monday morning quarterback, that stuff all the time right and the fantasy of being a hero. But I guess I just think, like, as time has gone on, I've never really stopped, which is like, hence why, like I guess, like I'm in this group now that I, you know hang out with, and like we do like individual first aid kit training and you know we do range days and such. So we're gonna be doing a CQB thing here at the Make it Pat Show headquarters soon, which will be sick for sure, as individual, there's lots of people out there who stay vigilant.

1:00:10 But then what's great with this one would be like if these were both somewhat co-coordinated and we all of a sudden see a spike in something like this, where it's all similar, like it could, the response will have to be it will become pretty interesting on a larger level than just you know. Yeah, people should stay ready for and keep their like situational awareness, what's going on around them, like how you could with like a lone shooter, you know whatever. But if things like this are like, uh, if there's more coordinated things going on, that's even, that's even a just a different consideration. You know, and maybe not for you as the individual, you just stay, you know, ready and looking out for things, but as a more of a community or state or a country, it's like okay, that's like okay, this warrants a different response.

1:01:07 Well, I think my encouragement to people is to like, really think about, like you know, do you have friends and family that you can rely on so that way, like, let's say, you know, in the instance of this New Orleans event occurring right, even if you weren't in the crowd, injured right or killed, let's, you know, pray to God, but you're just like, in New Orleans, do you have a group of people who you could be like we don't need to be. It's not a vigilante group, right? That's not at all what I'm saying but a group that'd be like, oh my gosh, are you okay? Yeah, are you okay? Yeah, all right, well, hey, let's go and meet up at you know this event center, or like, meet up here or wherever.

1:01:54 Meet up at this house, um, and like, just make a game plan real quick of you know where our families are, are we bringing them here? You know, just things like that, of like, because if you have that group and that kind of familial connection with that group and the you know desire to support and protect one another, you're way ahead of the general populace that is just not thinking twice about what's going on around them and completely unaware. And I just encourage people to try to develop that, develop those friendships, develop those trusted relationships, develop those skills and then teach those skills and learn those skills from others.

1:02:47 Because it's like it one gives you a huge peace of mind. Um, like, I have a lot of peace of mind right now with, just like my friends and family, like, even with, like, if I just thought about, like, the most casual experiences, I'm pretty sure I could look around my D&D table and I'm pretty sure if I asked each person there in the worst case scenario, would you be willing to lay down your life for me, and not in like a I'm a saint or Messiah thing, but just like I'm your friend, would you step in front of a bullet for me? One, my wife's one of those people, but like I, I truly believe every single one of them would say yeah, like, yeah, dude, like you're my buddy, I love you, I would step in front of it to take a bullet for you.

1:03:34 And I even think most of those dudes would say, yeah, I'd take a bullet for you. I'm not sure all of them would say yeah, I'd kill for you, because some of those dudes are very gentle spirited, which is okay, right, but like it's just one of those things where, like, I do think it's a lot easier to find those relationships and invest in relationships with people where you're gonna have people who are willing to lay their life down for you and it's not even an antagonistic or combative um philosophy behind it, right? It's not like, oh yeah, we're gonna kill the bad guys together. It's like no, like if you need to help an emergency, I'd be there, um, and so I just encourage other people to think about that too. You know, and it's not hard to find these communities, you know they're.

1:04:20 They're in every single state where it's just groups of people who had the desire to look out for one another and share skills and train skills. Um, even the dude who taught our individual first aid class wants to do like a thing with our church to um, teach, just like, how to do first aid for children properly, right, because that's the worst day in the world for us, you know, is like a child's severely hurt, right, and we got to do life-saving treatment before an ambulance arrives. And his kids he brings his kids with him when he teaches that so the kids can role play, like role play a kid who's like.

1:05:04 You know, spine is broken because they went down the stairs. You got to freaking stabilize them without moving them before a stretcher arrives, Like that's crazy, dude. That's like not a scenario I want to imagine myself in, but that's a scenario not very unlikely. And if we think of like the most worst case emergencies for you know, our church security team and such, so I don't know, that's my, that's my kind of you know, encouragement and petition for our listeners is to like, just join those communities because that's ultimately what's going to give you security when you feel, you know, worried about these events occurring around us, um, and it's going to help you live in not like a permanent paranoia, but like a permanent I don't know it sounds cocky, but like I feel like I do live in a permanent confidence, like I feel like I have I have enough people in training that like I'm confident in my abilities to encounter the situation and I am not saying I'm going to be performing aces, but I'm going to be performing Right and like that's more than 95% of people you know.

1:06:17 Yeah, for sure, you know, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think that the what you said is it, which is such as people who feel scared like you gotta, you gotta take steps to know what to do in a situation, how to respond and know your capabilities, so that you're not the just the person in the back of the video screaming you know, they're like you know, and and uh, not everybody's built the same way either by the same time. There's that being said. That doesn't matter. Everybody can take steps to improve their ability to handle some things under stress.

1:06:57 Um, feel like they can capably handle a situation, um, at least to know a little bit of what's going on. And so, yeah, I think that, because that's like one of the scariest things to me, like I always think, like the scariest thing out there is like a scared person with a firearm you know, like more than like an unscared, like fanatic well, help me understand. What I mean is like, like, like here's, here's, here's an example which would be like I go into a lot of customers houses, I also get a lot of like door codes. Just go in and I'm, and I announce myself I walk in, so you're talking like hit that door code, open it up. And there's someone with their shotgun shaking in their boots, exactly someone who's just was terrified of the situation versus someone who was like, yeah, what's?

1:07:43 up oh, you're here to do work, okay, you know like that. So I think someone who's like it's and I'm not scared of that person much like people should be scared of being a scared person and not just say we're not, you're not gonna feel yeah, everyone's gonna feel fear in the moment yeah right, but to be like just someone who's always scared of every situation. What could happen? Oh my gosh this and that and has a bedside pistol. That's not good. Someone's going to get hurt. Wait, yeah, you're saying, a bedside pistol's not good yeah dude, If you're a nervous wreck, who's like every bump you hear and everything it's like? What if I have two bedside? Is that better, as long as you don't shoot?

1:08:25 The kid is just TPing the house. No, yeah, no, no, I get what you're saying, Like if you're an unsteady, very nervous, very like I don't want to say insecure, but like let's go with bear spray fearful, you know person be a bear spray person then like don't have your firearm be the first thing you reach for exactly, exactly, um, and so putting yourself through little training, things, exercises, situations that stretch yourself, stretch your brain, stretch your mind, yes, everybody's little fear button and their brain goes off, but the way you respond to whatever situation is going to be so much different than just, you know, panicking and not making the right call, true, true.

1:09:07 So we'll see. I hope. I hope these are unrelated events, isolated events of just people trying to make a statement on, I think, on a new year. I think it was like part of being New Year's Day. I don't know, we'll see, lots of people do think that you know these things are connected and there's more to come. On a new year, I think it was like part of being new year's day. Um, I don't know, we'll see. Um, lots of people do think that you know these things are connected and there's more to come. So, either way, who knows? we'll see what the new year holds yeah but I'm excited for other things this new year. You know like I'm not a the next jurassic park movie? oh yeah, apparently it's supposed to be people who are on the inside. You know, like say, it's more akin to jaws than it is like the recent trilogy.

1:09:47 So I feel like that would appeal to the og crowd. That appeals to me. Yeah, because my biggest problem with the recent one was that it was too marvel-y, too comic book-y. Yeah, there's too many comedic moments and lighthearted beats and there wasn't like dude. The OG Jurassic Park trilogy is just like. These are animals, they are doing animal things. They are not like clever hunky-dory Now, yeah, they do say clever girl in the first movie, but like, but it's like they're not like um, you know, they're not jason vorhees laying traps and surprising people like that.

1:10:28 Like they're, you know, wolves, they're tigers, they're bears and so like. That's why, like, I'm excited for it because people are like, yeah, it's very animalistic, like these are creatures of nature and forces of nature and not like comic book showdown moments. Right right. They're not even a character, they just are. That was the worst part. It's their environment. They just are what they are. The fact that they made the dinosaurs characters border. I mean, you know two of them, at least three. I mean, every movie one dinosaur was a character and the other ones were like side characters, and it just felt ridiculous, right, I did not like it yeah, yep is.

1:11:10 Is it chris pratt in the next one? no, all right, a new uh, the the lead lead, like the action star lead is um jeff goldblough, scarlett johansson oh wow, all right. And then there's like a, but she's not like supposed to be like uber badass, she's just like, I think, a helicopter pilot veteran, okay, and she's the lead, just because she's the lead, um. And then the supporting actor is like kind of the paleontologist nerdy guy, which is also why the first two movies well, honestly, all three of the first the first trilogy was great. They're still around paleontology. Well, the first, the first lead and support lead was they were paleontologists, they were freaking nerds, yeah.

1:11:57 And when he picks up a shotgun he's like I don't know what to do with this, right. The second movie follows Dr Malcolm, you know, and he's a, he's a chaos theory statistician and it's like, again, this guy is not, you know, all muscles flexing Like he's not, he's not your classic hero. It was, it was so. It was really you, you know, it felt like normal people dealing with like very magnified natural encounters, right, which was just terrifying, just riveting. Dude. There's nothing as like heart uh, pumping to me, as like the lost world scene where they put the t-rex's purse, the trailer, off the edge, oh yeah, after getting their baby out of it Because they don't know what it is.

1:12:42 Oh yeah, they just hear their baby T-Rex crying inside, and so then, once the baby T-Rex is out, they just kind of like, well, we can't eat it. So they just push it off the edge of this cliff and I'm just like that was very animalistic. I didn't think that was like super intelligent. They weren't like, ooh, there's people in there we should eat. They were just like whatever this thing is, it had our baby. Let's just get rid of it. I thought that was baller. It was also insane, really great tension in those scenes. Anyways, that's what I'm excited for, except for the new Jurassic Park. I like it. I think I'm trying to think of any other.

1:13:23 I don't know if any other movies coming out that I'm really stoked for, you know yeah, me either. We'll see. I was looking like all last year forward to Nosferatu. Oh yeah, we need to watch that because that was like a lot of people's number one movie of the year. That's what? Even the uh. Who was it? the uh, the drunken uh oh yeah, the, the irish guy yeah, yeah, it was on youtube. Yeah, he does the the reviews. That was his favorite movie, he said. He said, like that I haven't watched it. I didn't watch the video, but it was just like. His title was like basically like that'satu. Watch it, you know? Yeah, all right, I've heard great things. I mean, here's the thing Robert Eggers hasn't made a movie that I didn't like.

1:14:07 Mm-hmm. You know, I mean the Northmen the original Hamlet story. I love that movie. I know a lot of people who it wasn't their cup of tea because they thought it was either going to be like you know. They thought it was going to be Sparta or not Sparta 300. And it wasn't. It was a story of Hamlet. It was the original story. Did you know that? I know, I didn't know that Omelette, which is our omelette, but the H is a little bit silent in the original Nordic. Okay, omelette is the rigid original nordic story. Shakespeare moves the h to be hamlet okay and hamlet is the adaption of the original nordic story.

1:14:49 Ah I didn't know that. Yeah, that's a good one man. All right, I have my resolution for the okay, you have it okay, all right we haven't done a bruising review since may bro, what's your? What are you gonna tell me right now? I'm gonna. I'm gonna put the effort in. You used to watch more movies than me, I know, but I'm I'm just saying I'm gonna. I think that my resolution is to start putting more of those out for the people. Okay, you gotta, you gotta codify it, you gotta got to make a SMART goal. Hey, like a defined goal. No, smart. Do you know what SMART is? Have you heard it? I don't know what SMART is.

1:15:32 I learned it when I was in my data science courses, so SMART stands for specific Okay. The goal clearly states what will be done and who will do it. Okay, measurable includes how progress will be measured. All right Achievable. It's realistic within your capabilities. All right Relevant fits the purpose and overall objectiveness. And it's time bound as a deadline. All right. Well, I'm going to work backwards Time bound. Within a year, within 2026. 2026? Yeah, that's a year from now, within 2025. But within the days of 2026 starting, you know, within 2025.

1:16:15 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Before the clock strikes midnight? All right, what's the other one Relevant Relevant? All right, this is what's the other one Relevant Relevant? All right, this is where it's a little it'll be. Here's where I've messed up in the past, which was that when new movies came out, I didn't get them done in time and so I got to. I'll get there. Our Doom 2 review coming out like a month after the movie. Yeah, yeah exactly Achievable, achievable, achievable. I don't think we're going to change our opening line of saying each week we bring you it, but it's not going to be every week. Yeah, I think we can do two. Here's where I get.

1:16:55 Are there two things coming out a month that are worth reviewing? I think, even if there's not two things coming out a month worth reviewing, we can find good gold nuggets all, right all right, that are like you know they exist. I will say this I know two things that are already gold nuggets that you haven't watched yet, and that's season 2 and season 3 of Mr Nobody. Oh yeah. Alright, alright, so I think we could do two a month. Two a month, so you're saying within 2024. We're going to do two Brews and Reviews per month, 24 Brews and Reviews.

1:17:35 I think we could do it. I think we could do it, I think we could, but you gotta, we gotta, we could do it. Uh-huh, I think we could, but we've got to go to the movie theaters, I know dude. We've got to hit them and maybe we'll have to do a. Obviously, maybe some of them will have to be. We'll have to go movie theaters just straight here. Did we do that on? one of them. I don't know, I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think you and I have ever watched a movie together. I thought we went to one movie, but I can't remember. I don't think so. I thought we did it once. I'll have to look back and see. I can't remember a movie I went and saw with, oh, the christmas one back in 2022. Yeah, we went to the christmas one together. We doubt that was a long time.

1:18:15 Yeah, but it was, um, uh, what's it called? What's his? name Silent Night, not that one Different action movie. The guy from Stranger Things is Santa. Yeah, all right, that was two years ago, david Arbor. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's crazy. Anyways, all right, measurable, measurable, you did it. Yeah, two per month. Yeah. So that measurable yeah. Two per month, yeah, so that's pretty specific. You know, are we gonna just try to do movies, or do you think you could? like start on some shows now. No, I think we gotta do shows too. We gotta we gotta put shows in there too, because also part of that would be doing like, as new shows come out, hitting the like if it's a we like, you're doing our pre-review, you know season, you know pilot review, yeah.

1:18:59 Then doing a season review, yeah, and then as a bonus, not not saying we have it's, it's not a part of the deal. But you know, keep putting out the the dog ear dialogues yeah, dude, I will say, I just finished all four books in the hyperion novella universe whatever wow they were very good. Um, the last one definitely had a couple things where I've had to look up and try to understand what was going on. On a couple points I was like that seemed unexplained and out of the blue. But I think that's what happens when you write your books like 10 years apart you know what I? mean, like, sometimes storylines don't necessarily align all the time, but I will say, uh, that and um, I'm gonna read a couple others.

1:19:50 Um, I just can't think of the top of my head. But yeah, dog, your dialogues. A lot of good books, a lot of good books out there. Oh, uh, the brothers, whatever. Um, the brothers, it's the. It's a russian book. It's a guy who wrote crime and punishment so whole vest, yeah whatever, but uh there's one called the brothers something and uh, I'm gonna start that here soon, but I've heard really good things about it. All right, all right, we'll do them. That's my resolution To watch more TV. How's that? That's great For personal improvement. That's great.

1:20:31 Watch more TV and drink more beer. Watch more good TV For brews and reviews. All right, I like it. I like it. I like it. I think it'll be good. Awesome, cool, all right, well, hey, ken, thanks for joining us. We hope you had a good Merry Christmas. We had Merry Christmases, and I hope that this new year finds you in good spirits. I hope you're not getting too wrapped up in resolutions and all that, but you're just resolving to be a better person this year. Follow Jesus a little bit better and if you don't know Jesus, I hope you resolve to read the book of John this year.

1:21:12 That's a good one yeah anyways, stay safe out there. We love you guys. Thanks for listening, pat. Anything you want to sign off with? till next time.