The Mick & Pat Show - Comic-Con and AI Music

0:01 well, thanks for joining us on the make a pass show. Uh, whatever pat decides to put before uh that we were talking about who knows, but uh, yeah, we're happy you're joining us, ken. Sorry we took a week off last week but, um, yeah, we're back right now and we have just a kind of relaxed show. Uh, gonna talk about some funny things. Things Talk about Comic-Con came to town and neither of us had ever been so definitely going to just kind of mention what that experience was like. And then I have a gift for Pat. See, pat has mentioned several times how AI, for some reason, when it's generating music in these videos that people are posting, it seems to be generating music with homoerotic undertones, which is hilarious.

0:53 Nothing wrong with that, it's just funny. Especially with the country music, it's really funny. I have some AI-generating music I worked on, I rehearsed and developed and developed with friends to really try to bring you something special tonight, a couple funny stories, but then, yeah, that's kind of what we are just going to go on and out. You know, to all of you who are listening in, please subscribe, like and comment, check us out on YouTube, spotify, anything else that you want to. Really, you know, whatever your taste is to listen on, we're probably there streaming and with that as well, we have our sponsors who help support the show and anything that you guys will go through those links and purchase give a little small kickback to us and supports the channel, helps us continue to keep going on, even though we were so not profitable.

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2:49 And I sent the video in an email with how I did it to the people at dry fire mag and I was like, hey, if you could make a product that could do this and wouldn't need any jury rigging like that'd be sick. But here's how I did it and they thought it was so cool that they offered us a sponsorship, cause I was like yeah, I was like also, we just love your stuff and I have a podcast and they're like, well, we'd love to be like you should be an affiliate. So so now, you know, dry fire mag is hopefully going to be an affiliate as well. You know, as we go through that dude, Comic-Con, comic-con man you know I'm not here to be mean or dunk on anyone who likes to go to Comic-Con, because I will say like, when I walked in through the doors I was totally just big old smile on my face Seeing like the Ghostb people.

3:44 They're set up with their ghostbuster like table booth and they're like putting the backpacks on kids and showing the kids how to do like the settings and blast ghosts, and I was like this is awesome. Um, there was, immediately when I walked in, I saw three armed security guys, uh, who were part of a security company out of here and they were free alarmed, not with. Yeah, they had gun and two mags, yeah and they they were like very professional and like polite. They weren't like really rent-a-cop people, right, you know um and uh, it was 25 bucks. It was cool and I was pretty shocked. There was like some big you know uh I don't know what you would say like geek nerd celebrities there that were signing stuff and doing meet and greets at tables.

4:30 The guy who played the green ghost in um ghostbusters like the green ooze ghost that flies around is like green and slimy. The guy who puppeted that was there really yeah, I was like that's cool, like I never knew that guy was, but it was cool that he was there. So how were there? A lot of people there there was, easily. When I went, I went at like 3 pm on saturday, it was done by six. Right, it was going to be done by six on saturday. So I went way after probably like the main bulk of people went and it was still like over a thousand people, wow.

5:10 So, and like you know, it was like our small town, like event center. You know, this isn't like we're not talking like San Antonio or LA here, we're talking pretty rural, um, and so it was pretty cool. Everyone seemed very nice. Um, I will say, uh, it was very hard to determine what pronouns people wanted to go by for the most. Like, I'll say like 20 of them were very like how do you want me to refer to you if I, if we interact? And then 80 was like very clearly like that's a chick, that's a dude, um, male, female and because it's comic-con, a is I don't know it's like.

5:57 Is it a broad term? it is or is there an? official like is there an official comic-con that puts on, I think, all of it's you know? I mean I think comic-con is like a sponsored or not sponsored but org. You know, that is like sets up these things and like you apply to have a comic-con in your town or you have coordinate it and it's all volunteer based or something. I'm not sure. But comic-con definitely probably at one point was about comics and now it expanded into like covering like film, tv movies, video games, board games, you know just aesthetic of like a ton of stuff. Um, so all I said it was very, it was very enthusiastic.

6:44 Everyone dressed in their like funny costumes and like doing actual cosplay like. I saw a couple cosplays that I was like wow, that that is straight up an anthropomorphic person like you know. I mean like that is a very like that's not like a plushy furry suit. I'm like that looks like a werewolf walking around. And then there was other ones. I was like that is to a T Jurassic Park, like a staff vest and shorts and everything and they were posing with the car. The other one I saw was like just people being like fantasy characters from like Dungeons and Dragons and stuff, and I was like that looks like a tiefling, like a devilish person, and it was very convincing, it was very well done.

7:30 Like people put you know thousands and thousands of dollars into these people put hours into this. I was in a very impressive, I was in a customer's house and it was, yeah, like her whole basement was all that. Um, just, it was all bins and beads and like sewing needles and like I bet she was at comic-con rubber thing, you know, just like whatever. What to craft these? And she had these crazy suits that she was making on the mannequins, um, I think like a distant third cousin or something, who's they're like all in, or it's like they. That's what they do all like. Their hobby is building the costume for whatever the next event is, and they go, they go hard.

8:12 That's cool. That's cool. Yeah, I did. It is surprising because, like if I built one, I'd wear it. Like if I built a master chief costume, I'd wear master chief everywhere. Yeah, all the time I. But they like build it for one event and then they just toss it or not toss it, but like they recycle it, repurpose it and they just do another one and they're like one and done. I'm like there's a lot of work for one and done oh, yeah, not you won't catch me doing that, but, um yeah, so some of the those are some of like the positive things. Dude, there was this, uh, group of military vets. I think they were all like from corps of engineers or something like that, but they were all supposed to be veterans, um, and they, uh, they had built the most sophisticated r2d2s I've ever seen in my life, like straight up infrared sensor and like insanely quick playback, like whatever you say they were responding to.

9:09 And there was a part where, like I was talking, I was like, wow, this thing's insane. And it like responded with my voice but synthesized in under a second oh my God. And like the guy was like he had no joysticks in hand or anything like that. And he, like he showed me he had a controller to like steer it if need to be and press buttons or something. But he's like, yeah, it's also, you just program it to do stuff. And like it. Just like I was like wow, this is so cool. And it was like I was like, oh my gosh, dude, I don't remember I looked right over, it was like it was pretty cool because there's this chick who was definitely just a, a pretty, like you know, I would say, upper middle class, very attractive by modern standards, mom, and she was definitely there with her kiddos showing them around and stuff, not cosplaying, and I it was like her and I had this moment where we looked at each other from these r2d2s and both of us like this is the coolest thing I've seen here.

10:05 That is not like kind of silly, you know what I mean. It was like registered in both our brains. That's awesome. The guys took a moment to show us around, like show us them and how they work, and it was pretty sick. All the Star Wars stuff was also like you're like oh, yeah, okay, yeah, okay, it's just kind of king. Yeah, the star wars is easily the king of like replicas and making. Yeah, I think I showed you a picture of like all the um clone trooper heads on pikes. Yep, that were like, those were awesome I was like this is so life-size, that was a huge display and I think maybe, gosh, I want to get a droid. That's just a radon monitor, like its main function is that.

10:47 But you just like show up at people's houses with an R2 droid and it just comes in and you're like what is that? And you're like this is the radon monitor. And it's just like you can also talk to it if you want. All this sophisticated technology and he just monitors radon? Yep, he just makes my job easier. Yeah, technology and he just monitors radon yep, he just makes it my job easier. Yeah, and funner. It's like that bit from rick and morty's like what is my purpose? It's like you cut and spread butter on toast oh, my god, kill me. Yeah, um, but yeah, so that that was a. That's pretty cool, um, but I will say the stereotype holds very strong on comic con, like one of the most like accurate things.

11:30 That like I don't even know if you can say a stereotype, if it's the truth like, yeah, I think there were like five bearded ladies that weren't makeup, like it was just ladies with beards. Yeah, um, and then there was definitely like the spectrum, of the spectrum primarily, you know, when we're talking like a bell curve right of you know, uh, person persons. There were the like obscenely overweight, really like struggling to enjoy the time there and like making it known to everybody.

12:10 Right. Like I'm not having fun because I'm having to walk around and there's not enough places to kind of sit and chill, and then the like if the wind blows, you will get picked up with leaves, yeah, and blow away like skinny body. You know what? I mean, and like there was hardly anything in between. I'm exaggerating, right, but like that was, like definitely. Like you're like wow, that is the demographic, it's both ends of that, right. Like very rarely you find like just a average person body type you know, what I mean. Some words do come to mind. It would be like pasty honestly, no, no, no, let me correct you on that.

12:53 Let me correct you. Yeah, I think there were way more hispanic and asian and indian people than there were, like white people, like I think white people were not the majority, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were, like, you know, 25, 20, you know. I mean like it was not predominantly pasty white people, so it'd be like pasty, if you could be like you know, like lots of like, yeah, like, lots of times. You know, like I I'll go in a. you know I'm in tons of customers' houses and things too right. You know, just like you and people's house and just like there is. Like we were in this one dude's house the other day and it was just straight up like he is in his forties in mom's basement, oh damn, with like lots of like trinkety, model type things, the things he's into.

13:47 I bet he could talk forever about the things he's into. Sure, I bet he knows it. But those universes, he also lives in his mom's basement. Yeah, those things he talks about may be all fictional universe, but anyways there's that. People get all in, dude, people go all in. Yeah's. Uh, it was pretty sick, um, but it was also kind of like it was kind of sad, don't get me wrong. Like I'm gonna be 100% honest. There are things that I saw that I was like wow, that's really impressive, that is a real commitment to the craft, and like I respect anyone who can put that labor of love in it for a passion. And then I saw other things where I'm like I wish I had the courage to tell you that your life could be better if you just put some effort into it.

14:34 You know what I mean. It's either multi-thousand dollar costumes or sweatpants. But honestly too, like I imagine if you go to PlumberCon it's the same thing. Oh yeah, you know what I mean. I imagine you go to plumber con it's the same thing. Oh yeah, you know, I mean, I imagine you go to plumber con. There's like you're gonna see people who you're like. Oh my god, you miserable person like someone needs to like have a intervention for you and your lifestyle lots of how much butt crack. Is it a plumber con? I mean that's I bet they take posed photos of everyone just bending over and showing their butts, just like dude someone out there like bend a plumber con and be like they know. they know Like on average a plumber con brings in like. If you could wrap like, but it's like 14 football fields of crack out of plumber con.

15:16 I will say the other thing too was like you walk in the doors of this convention and for some reason it felt like the AC was not on at all and it was like it convention, and for some reason it felt like the ac was not on at all and it was like it went from like immediately, kind of like humid, slight, sweaty smell, and it would just go to like the most like sour, rancid, like not bathed in months smell, like it just depended what. Who are you? Who are you behind? yeah, it never once smelled good yeah and like I'm like, why the aren't they opening doors, like there's clearly not air circulating in this room? it looked like for the pictures. You're somewhere kind of old like a school, or it wasn't, like an event, it was, uh, it was no, it was event center. Yeah, it was. It was an activity center here in town, um that, like it's definitely age you know I mean it's not like we have a ton of huge brand new.

16:01 It's not like it's on the university campus. You know what I mean for sure um, the other thing that was cool was like they just had like two giant rooms of just like anyone who wanted to sell something like get a table, come up, sell stuff, and I saw some pretty impressive like artwork that was like being done, live there and there people were selling um, and then I saw definitely just like boosts of just like 3d printed and ai generated stuff that I'm like I cannot believe someone's gonna pay 10 bucks for this yeah like it costs nine cents to print it. You know what I mean? Yeah, um. And then, lastly, the other stuff that I saw being sold was a ton of like writers trying to sell their books and like no one had.

16:43 Like this is my first book. Like here we go. Like check my book out. I have a plan, here's my book. Everyone was like this is my 30th book, please buy it. And like you're just like dude, if, if, if you're here still peddling these books and I've never heard of you and you got 30, some book and like no one, like I was, I was walking around for a while just baiting if there's anything I wanted to buy. Never once was so like, oh my god, you're the author of whatever, whatever. And like everyone just couldn't care less. And I was like bro, like this hurts. How many of those are out there? There had to be 30 tables of novelists like that wow yeah and like you hear about that like insane like in la there's like behind production companies or like, yeah, production companies, or whatever.

17:33 Like there's like just dumpster, dumpsters full of like screenplays oh yeah, never like, just like I'm sure to never see the light of day. Yeah, it'd be the same with books too. And I mean, what, uh, I could? I can't even imagine like being able, like I don't think I could write one book I could? I know I'm trying to write a book right now yeah, I think you should, I think you could, but I don't think I could. I I've got two, I speak in two, I think I think you could. I could write three sentences. You know, marcus latrell came out with Operation Red Wing and then the other guy who helped him write the book, because Marcus Luttrell can't write. Ghost Rider or whatever. I mean, yeah, it's like not hidden Ghost Rider, but it's literally, it's like it's called, like the memoir of Marcus Luttrell Written by so and so you know what I mean.

18:24 It's clearly like the memoir of Marcus Luttrell written by so-and-so you know what I mean and like it's clearly Marcus's memoir, but it's very clearly also like written by this dude who's like writing down it what Marcus said, right? So I'm trying to find the book real quick, sorry guys, but I think that's like a very valid form of like telling a story, patrick robinson so like marcus latrell's the author right, it's his story, but patrick robinson like helped put it into words and but I and I bet some of these guys at comic-con's books were like I bet they weren't short. I bet there were short books too. But I bet there were, I bet there were a couple guys. I think everything looked like an average, like everything looked to be averaging, like 300 or more pages Right, Like like they've created a world.

19:09 Yeah, If they're on book 30, you know like it's a whole. Thing man. There's one guy was selling his books. Oh, dude, I don't want to say cause I don't want people to like, harass him. Here's the thing people to like, harass them. Here's the thing I. I will never condone harassment. I will never condone brigading. I'll never condone like bullying online or you know stuff like that of like, oh yeah, let's go make fun of this dude and like his bad books. Now, like it's different. If someone's like a pedophile, then I'm like, yeah, let's go like freaking, tear them out of their house and charge them for their crimes. You know what I mean. But like some people just got nothing better than it would then be like dickheads on the internet. But I'm not gonna say the book series, yeah, but he was very enthusiastic about it and he was explaining to me the premise of it and it was like to me and like five other people who were standing around, because he had like snagged our attention by being really loud.

20:03 Oh yeah, um, and it wasn't like a, it wasn't like come on, come on, it was just like hey, we were like, oh, what the fuck? And like he's like do you like science? And I was just like I was too bewildered, I couldn't do, I was a deer to the headlights, bro, bro. I was like what he was like just explaining how this book follows real life scientists, but in a universe where each of them received powers regarding to the scientific laws and theories that they helped pen. It's like Newton just like can't stand up because there's so much gravity. I just was looking at the artwork he was explaining it. I was like sick bro. I don't know how many people want to read about like nuclear Albert Einstein yeah, like just Albert Einstein, but he's Superman, but I mean, I don't know.

20:54 All that said, I am very enthusiastic for those people because they're clearly passionate about what they're writing about and I hope they make it and break it. Because they're clearly passionate about what they're writing about and I hope they make it and break it, you know. At the same time, though, you just see so many other people who are just trying to scam stuff. That pissed me off quite a bit, because I used to do a side hustle of printing and painting stuff. We sold a ton of coronavirus models that we 3D printed and hand painted. Oh yeah, we sold them. Like we painted them really well. The the uh printing quality was really high. We sold them to museums during covid.

21:34 We sold them to bars. Yeah, there's like some museum in the uk that is like displaying the models we printed and painted. That's pretty cool. Yeah, it is pretty sick. But like we charged for like hours of our time and material costs and we still were like under charging, like when we were doing certain prices. And I see guys out here who, like I, could see the like print supports still attached to the model on some places and I could tell it's just gonna be like a fragile piece of crap like from an fdm printer and they're like 3d printing it and like cool colors that change and like for 15 you can have this dragon for your table and I'm like just looking in my head, I'm like dude, that costs like 25 cents in filament to print.

22:19 Yeah, sure, the printer is printing for like I don't three hours, but that's not like your work time and, to be fair, also, a lot of other people seem to be catching on to it and not buying it either. You know what I mean. There's a ton of product sitting around. But those are kind of the two things you saw at the booths or like the pricing stuff People very passionate about something that was very original and was very cool, even if not a lot of people were into it, and then just people who were there trying to make a quick buck and trying to pull the wool over people's eyes with stuff they were printing yeah, because lots of those the cheap 3d printer stuff is like really good for prototyping you know like it's great, you know like that.

23:00 But like, but not for me, it's necessarily final products and I think it's great for, like I mean, we use the fdm printer when we're playing dungeons and the dragons we've printed out like terrain, oh yeah, like when you're printing out a mountain or trees or buildings. Like you don't need super high detail and, honestly, like the roughness of a fdm print looks cool when you like paint it up and you just put it on the table, you immediately like, oh, that's a rock, that's a tree, that's a dragon skull, you know. But like, we also just know, like behind the veil, that costs like pennies to print you know what I mean in materials and stuff. And so it's just not worth the cost for a lot of stuff that, like, people charge out there because they are charging it to people who don't know, and people are like, oh, I don't have a 3d printer so I'll never be able to buy this or get this because, like, it relies on people printing it and it's like, dude, just go to etsy, you can find the stuff like made in bulk.

24:00 You know you could get 10 for 10 bucks, right? So, anyways, uh, that was cool. It was cool. They had a ton of classes that I thought were interesting. A lot of classes about how to make your own costume. A lot of classes about world building, writing books, writing movies, like plays and stuff. Um, screenplays, um, how to be a better game master. How did it do the one I really missed that I wanted to go to because I had no idea this was going on. I just walked in because I heard about it, so I'll sign. Um, there was one on how to make your like how this? It was like a class that said how I made my own two million dollar board game and sold it.

24:41 Huh, I was like I would 100% sit in it. Like I love board games. I love game night, whether it's dnd or just like a phase 10, like I love games and like I would have loved to listen to someone who made a successful game and sold it as a property. You know and some of those games, man, if they catch on, even for like one christmas season, yeah, that would be a lot of it. I feel like you know I would assume a lot of it's kickstarter too right, like it raised three million dollars on kickstarter, uh, after operation costs and all that, like I kept you know one mil of that. Like don't damn do it again, you know, I mean yep, um, so it was cool. It was cool, it was a little stinky.

25:22 There were some people who were like you know, there there are definitely some people who you were like you felt bad for, but you're like good for you for at least getting up and coming out, um, but man, dude, oh, dude, oh, my gosh, there was so many. It was just like it was. The stereotypes are real. Like I can't even express like it's, like it's. I feel like they know it too, like there's no way they would deny that or even find it offensive. If you were like if I drew a picture of someone that I saw there, I cannot imagine anyone being offended. You know what I mean. They'd be like yeah, no, that's that, that guy, that person is literally at every comic-con like in an incarnation of one kind or another and like it's the same thing that you're imagining in your head right now as you're listening to this.

26:08 Oh yeah, that's who's at comic con. Um, it was cool. Everyone's got their thing in their outlet and it's a safe, harmless one. So I think and I think it was pretty sick I would go to a bigger one because I think there'd be more stuff for sale and I think there'd probably be even more like cool celebrities from things that I'd recognize like if you got to see shatner be pretty cool dude you know, my dream would be to see uh bruce campbell, who was like uh, the guy in evil dead and stuff and he's just like. he was like the classic, like horror movie b-lister guy for a long time. I think he's really funny too, but anyways, it's pretty tight. Would you ever go? Would you go to a Comic Con now, pat, after I braved?

26:52 the expanses. I would, I would go and I think I would have to dress up Because I like here's the thing too bro, if you don't go full out, I feel like I would go full out and I'd show up and feel very under costumed yeah, my thing is like here's what I think is interesting, right, is that like I've never been a big like dress up guy. Like don't get me wrong, I love halloween and especially now, as I'm older, like I love doing stuff for halloween more. But like I'm really into like Dungeons and Dragons and like just kind of that aesthetic like doing, whether it's painting minis or you know, uh, designing maps or terrain or making custom music for a game.

27:34 So I'm really into that. But I'm just not that into the idea of like dressing up for comic con or, like you know, dressing up as like a character from a book or something. And, bro, like I feel like you have like you've never played Dungeons and Dragons or done anything like that and I've never been like you don't have like a huge passion for that. But I think if someone was like I'll cover the cost, you know, you just need to go as legalist comic-con for eight hours I think you'd be like immediately down yes, like I do in a heartbeat, you know it is. I like to, I like to you're an exhibitionist. Yeah, I like to be. The look at my body something and like show up with like the best, coolest costume.

28:16 Like you know, like when we do, uh, this super small example, but like like we have a small town Fourth of July parade every you know our family will enter every couple of years down in Texas. And like I like to win that thing. You know, like I like my float to be awesome. The stuff I'm wearing. I want it to be cool, like you know, like whatever it is like, it's just like it's awesome. I got to be Batman once and one time. I don't know if I've told this story on here before. It's like one time we all dressed up as Batman characters. I got to be Batman and we were going through the parade and this town has, like a traditional old square in it. Oh, yes. And so the parade basically comes in from out of the square.

28:59 You come in and you do a U and leave, and as you're coming, there's lots of people. Once you get in the square, that's where there's thousands and thousands of people packed in there and I was um the everybody's walking and we had a van that was uh, my grandpa just found this van. It was a good deal with low miles, but it was black with the the gold batman logos on it it was the bat van dude. So we, um, uh, as we're walking in, we're getting close to the square, I, uh, and actually I almost bought the 400 like christian bale full suit for this. Yeah, I pulled, I, I didn't. I got the cheaper, the cheaper version.

29:41 Yeah, but uh, this kid there was, was this kid of special needs over in the corner and he, like you, could tell that he thought I was real. He was like oh, that's Batman. I went over there and I was giving him five, giving him a hug, taking some pictures, and I mean, this kid was so stoked to be with Batman. That was an incredible feeling to be with batman, yeah, it was, that was an incredible feeling. And then what happened next was I'd been with him so long, like the, the van, and the group of people all dressed as batman characters and villains had moved into the square, the main area, and we didn't plan this, but they had moved into there and obviously everybody's like, well, where's, where's batman?

30:22 You know right. And so I came running down. I had like a good like 50 yard run to catch up and I'm running in full speed and I just, and I, as I'm running, I hear people start cheering like oh and and like a big enough crowd. It is like they're like oh yeah. And then I just just vaulted off of the bumper of the van onto the roof holding my cape and landed and the place erupted full. Just freaking out, dude, and I was like it gets you high. Yeah, I bet it does. It gets you a little bit high, I bet you feel like a tear shed. Oh yeah, it was great. This is the pinnacle of my life.

31:02 It may have been. Because here's what's even better, bro. I was like it's what? Is it better to be batman on screen, where everyone is told to cheer for you and it's part of the movie and it makes everyone watch and go and all or to be batman, yeah, to a crowd of people and it's genuine applause oh yeah you know what I mean uh I think I've had like similar experiences like that too. You know, like I don't know necessarily to that extent of like that kind of like total hype, but like I know, I think I told you I think I've talked about the gorilla story on here, right, I don't know if you'd have the high schoolers when I was a camp counselor brought up a gorilla costume I told you this? no, really no, I don't think so. Oh, dude, it was awesome, all right. So I was a camp counselor, brought up a gorilla costume.

31:43 Have I told you this? No, really no, I don't think so. Oh, dude, it was awesome, all right. So I was a camp counselor one summer and I'll say you know, this is costume story, insert here because I still want to show you the AI music I'm not trying to distract, and this isn't nearly as cool as like having a crowd of people applause for me but only claimed a fame of like one night. I was like one night. I'll put it on and that we'll see what happens. Um, these high schoolers uh, came up. It was the last week of this summer camp I was a counselor at in college and, um, it was down in colorado springs and these campers come up in. Uh, they all of them except for one had been to this camp for like every single summer in a row, and they were all seniors now or going into their senior year.

32:29 So this was going to be their last year of camp. Before you know they had, because after you graduate high school, you don't go to camp again, you go off to college. And so they were like, yeah, man, can we please like, go out with like a huge show, like, and like they they clearly knew camp better than I did. They're like oh, do you know? So-and-so? He was our concert last year, do you know? So-and-so? He was our concert the year before that. I was like, guys, guys, guys, this is my one summer here. Like I don't know anybody. But they were so enthusiastic, man, that it just, it just swept me up in it. They're like, hey, yeah, can we show you Like we don't want to get in trouble, but can we show you this? I'm like, oh God, they have a gun. You know something like that, Like the unzipped backpack and I'm just like what is that? And I just see the black fur, the rubber gorilla mask and they pull out like hey, we got this gorilla suit and it looks really good, Like it had to be.

33:18 It had like some chest padding, some shoulder padding, and it was like a single suit with a zipper on the back. But when you zipped it up you didn't see the zipper at all and it wasn't like separate head parts. The only thing that was like separate was the gloves, because you put your hands through and then you pull the gloves over and it kind of like constricts onto your wrist. But I was like look guys, look guys, yeah, you can wear this. And then I just stopped for a minute. I was like thinking my head. I was like, or, or we can get the whole boys camp with it and scare them to god and back they're like they're like what? and I was like hear me out, what if we just start telling people that a gorilla escaped from the cheyenne mountain zoo?

34:02 For anyone who gorilla escaped from the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo, for anyone who doesn't know, the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo is in Colorado Springs on Cheyenne Mountain and there are gorillas. And I was like we could totally sell it because I'll go to the staff here, because the staff always does announcements of like hey, counselors, be on the lookout for this. You know, and like we have had it very commonly, you know it'd be week on, week off yeah bears, yeah bears are like monks, hey, counselors, remember, no going out at night because of the mountain lion that's been seen around, and it wasn't like that was not a bit. That was literally like hey, like seriously, there's animals around, be careful. Um, and I was like I'll get this chick who does the announcements all the time. She's like a staff person.

34:43 I was like I'll get her in on it and she'll give us the sign off and I'll get permission from all the staff people for us to be out super late so we can prank everybody. My buddy, who I ended up baptizing that summer, he had a cabin full of the most inner city gang violent kids from Denver. They were all kids who were like yeah, I'm into Norteños, we'll fucking give you stitches homes if you mess with us. Don't tell us what to do. He's like you guys want to go jump off the dock onto the blob and they're like no.

35:28 They were all too too cool, yeah, but none of them were like remotely prepared for the outdoors. Oh, you know, I mean like they were all there and like I think it was. You know, the more they opened up, the more we got to know them. There was just like yeah, I don't have like boots you know, I mean like I don't have shorts, I'm just in jeans and sweaty the whole time. So, but like he was having such a rough time because he's also just like a nebraska good old boy, so he's like we don't relate on anything like it's uh, I remember they were just giving him such a hard time and he was struggling with them because they were too cool. Um and uh, as we were kind of hyping up, like at like the first lunch that day, they made an announcement like hey, we do have to say this, but like there is a PSA from the Cheyenne mountain zoo that a gorilla has escaped and we need to be like, actually serious about this.

36:12 Guys, it's a security risk, and none of the counselors have any phones with access to wifi or like cell phone. So all the counselors are like what? And I'm like's just me, and like two other Counselor guys that I told about it that are Like in on it and then like the staff, and so everyone's like that's crazy and Like there's legit, like other girl Counselors and dude counselors who are like no, no, we can't, we can't go do like night games In the woods, there's a gorilla, yeah, yeah. And like everyone had to to start passing around to the counselors because I didn't want the campers to miss out, right. So I had to start going to the counselors Like only the counselors. I trusted not to spoil it. It's like it's a bit, there is no gorilla, but it's just to hype up the campers for something going on this week and they're like, okay, and to the props that summer it was the last week, so everyone was kind of down to play along.

37:07 Um, and anyways, the couple nights like uh, the, it was like first night, second night and third night, I would just go out at like 2 am or 3 am and just have an alarm and I would just like be out in the woods. Um, what is that? uh, in rampart range, right and I just crawl and just go and just like let it echo across, bro, and like the next day it was the best because I was told by campers. I was like you guys gotta play it cool. Like no matter what no one says, you cannot laugh, because there will be high schoolers that come up to you and say stuff it's sure enough, bro. I remember we were like hanging out as like a cabin and these other boys were like you guys hear the gorilla last night, like they were just like I could see.

37:48 Some of them were like about to break, like no, bro, what are you talking about? I was like boys holding together and like kids were getting scared. It was awesome to like see these high schoolers like yeah, but like did you hear that gorilla? like they were somewhere like no, that was just people playing around. So it was like thursday night, bro, or wednesday night, I can't remember, it was like the fourth night and I put on the gorilla suit and I told the staff was like please don't shoot me with a shotgun. I'm not a bear because they've shot bears up there, you know what I mean. And uh, I put on the gorilla suit and the mask and I start just going around like on my knuckles and like squat haunches and I'm just like first just going around the perimeter, the boys camp and snapping twigs and not being careful, and like I can hear people in their cabins because they're not quiet.

38:38 They're like what's that outside? And I can hear them. They're just like what is that? Like like I can hear counselors like go back to bed, yeah, you know. Like they're not playing along and uh, and then I start going into like the orange sodium light lamps on the dirt road just you know the intermittent ones and just like, and then like move off. And I can hear them like losing their marbles, like some campers were like, oh my god. And I go up to the cabin that my buddy was at with these Hispanic inner city kids from. Denver and they had gone swimming and I remember some of them had brought swimsuits up and all that stuff. So they had their swimsuits out on the deck of the cabin drying off and I just started picking them up.

39:22 Monkey. And I just started like picking them up, monkey, throwing them, yeah, like picking up, but like like just tossing them off and like. I'm like just letting them slap on the window or the screen door and that's the thing to the cabin, it's just a screen door there is no, like real barrier door. And I can hear him like this might sound like stereotype or, but like I, seriously I heard him like it owns, it owns. And let's just say that my buddy's name his name was john, like he almost john what is? on the porch. I can just remember hearing him inside. He's like go to sleep. There's nothing on the porch and like he's playing along. He knew I was coming and they're like I just hear these kids like Inside he's like go to sleep.

40:06 There's nothing on the porch and like he's playing along. He knew I was coming and they're like I just hear these kids like Madre de Dios, the gorilla, and like they're losing their mind and they start crying in there, like these hardcore street kids are crying. They're like counselor, homes Counselor, please. And like he finally wakes up, he's like, oh my god, boys get back. And like I can't hear him, like he's like I'm gonna try to scare it off it. Like he goes up and he starts pounding on the glass. I stand up and I started like like pounding on the grass, uh, and I just run off and uh, I did a little bit like I went up to like windows and I would just put my monkey like gorilla nose against it and just nostril flare like the fog on the window and just listen to kids like cry, and then I'd run, run away and then the next, like next day, we announced it was a prank and like we came out with the gorilla costume because people were so upset and kids were like not having fun anymore.

40:55 But for that one night it was awesome bro and like I remember, I got back to the cabin, I climbed in through the back window of our cabin and my boys, man, they herald me like I was Spider-Man, bro. They were like don't drive, like he's a hero. You know it was I had I was. You know those boys loved me and would have died for me that week. Oh yeah, but um, anyways, that was my costume. That's what it's about. That was the peak of my costume experience. I feel like I squandered my long hair at not going into a comic-con costume, right, you know it's just a, it's just a season away. I just have to bring it back. I was gonna say, yeah, you can grow back in a year gorilla suits. There's great. There's always good gorilla suit stories. That's, that's a. That's a good one. It was I mean, you know, I asked kids after that too like campers or kids who would go back, and I always use that story as a way of recruiting counselors for the camp years later I was like you could do fun stuff like this.

41:44 That was the only story ever told, yeah, but uh, I'd ask like them, like the campers talk about it. Yeah, dude, so the campers loved like they. They're the legend of the gorilla's, real bro that's awesome. It lived on. Yeah, it lived on. That's great stuff, man. Anyways, all right. So here's my beef, though, with this man. I'm going to play this song for you. I think those videos saying that AI is just generating homoerotic country music on its own, I think they're being prompted to do that. It's not real. It's definitely cut, because I went through hundreds of iterations just trying to like not even tell it but just give it opportunity to.

42:27 I was like song about a man and his buddy, right, and it was like a song about him and his dog or his pal, but it never was like subtle erotic, um, and I was like, all right, well, let's just give it what the people want. People. People think it's hilarious when country songs are kind of like well, they won't, they a little a little broke back yeah exactly right, like there's a reason that everyone thinks that's funny and so, uh, here the, here we go and these, like I really challenge anyone to find anything offensive in these songs. Like I can't think of how anyone would be offended. They're just very interesting how the AI generates.

43:11 So this one I reprompted it. It was a hillbilly country pop rock, jailhouse rock, and I just wanted it to. We went through a couple of iterations but we got to this one where it was the singer of the song is retelling about how he knew a guy in jail who would always talk about his hunting trips with his buddy. But they're kind of sus hunting trips.

43:56 So this is Hunting Tales. Long, said he went on a hop with his friend just two men to the very end, talked of nights worn by the fire, shared some laughs. No sign of ire, said they kept each other warm. I just said you the lyrics. Friends through the stone. He said no, it's not what you think. Just two buddies on a kind of break, shared a bed but nothing more. A tonic done forevermore. Like a little bit of Willie Nelson right.

44:38 Laid out tales of kills and thrills. Whispered secrets on the hills In the tent. Their bodies closed for their bond? No one knows. Asked again about the knight's embrace, saw the flush come to his face, Hold his gaze and stand so tall. But in the cracks I saw it all. Just imagine, like, like just like this is great, what you think? just two buddies on a kind of rank share the bed, but nothing more. Platonic bond forever.

45:19 This is. This is great. You know there's a chorus. This is this is great that does a chorus. That's crazy, bro. I did that, you know it's wild, all right. So this next one I wanted to do a like legitimate, like country ballad, like story. Like you know, the good old ones of like uh, sometimes later the cable guy would do it um, for like his like tracks on his comedy album or something show and lefty, yeah, or like you know, kind of like almost like um, what was it? Was it dirksen gentry? No, it was montgomery gentry, dirksen bentley, montgomery gentry, um, rest in peace, uh, but you know, their song like something to be proud of, is borderline, just a story of a young man to like that song kind of makes me I always cry.

46:15 I always cry every time you know, miss me by hair. Yeah, dude that line oh, dude, um, but this one is like supposed to be kind of in that vein of like comedy, ballad story. Um, I did give it like a full story, like I wrote the whole story and I said now I want it in at least eight verses, but I got limited by having only up to like 3,000 characters and lyrics, so I shorted it down, and so there's a couple of things that might not make sense because of how the AI generated the rhyming scheme. Like, at one point it says something about advice. There's no advice other than, like the chorus of the song of, like, you know, enjoy your life, or whatever.

47:00 But anyways, this is called Beautiful Land and it's a story about a trucker all right, um, and his trucking adventures. Uh, let me, here we go. Oh wait, wrong one second iteration, wrong one Second iteration. I was rolling down the highway somewhere in Tennessee, Picked up a gal. She was stranded, just her and me. She said thanks for the ride. I owe you one, you bet. But I kept my cool, Said, ma'am, no need to fret. Harmonic action in there. Send me the lyrics she had a twinkle in her eye. Tried to put on a show, but I waved her off. Said no to put on a show, but I waved her off.

47:44 Said no, ma'am, no need to go. She smiled real wide, said you're a real good guy. Didn't know then how that luck would fly. I'm just a trucker driving all night long. Didn't know my life would turn into a honky-tonk song. Picked up a stranger thought I'd lend her a hand. Never thought it in with me barely able to stand. What could that mean? What could that allude to? a few days later in west virginia's hills, had to stop at a rest stop nature call with chills, found a stall and sat down just doing my biz. But what happened next? Man, give me the shivers and whiz, reach for the tp to finish up my chore.

48:32 But there was something extra poking through that stall door. I nearly jumped and my heart took a skip when I saw that fella's willie peeking through the door. I'm just a trucker driving all night long, didn't know my life would turn into a honky tonk song. Picked up a stranger, thought I'd lend her a hand. Never thought it'd end with me barely able to stand. It was a real trucking story, tried to make a run. Pants down to my knees but I tripped on my boots, hit the floor with a wheeze it was a real trucking story. Against the sink he knocked off my hat. I was starting to think that this was the end in a nasty place when suddenly she appeared with fire on her face.

49:26 That gal from before came in like a storm. She grabbed the trucker, showed him some farm grown form. With one swift punch she knocked him out cold, saved my sorry but didn't do what I was told also that part, don't know what he was told that's what a pick for the rhyme. Didn't know, my life would turn into a honky-tonk song. Picked up a stranger thought I'd lend her a hand. Never thought it in with me, barely able to stand. Now, here we are, years down the road.

50:09 She's my trucker queen. Together We've rode, got three little ones. A trucker's paradise. All thanks to that day and some very strange advice. Don't know what it was. Just leave it to the mystery, yeah. So here's to the road and the folks you meet. You never know who will knock you off your feet, but keep on trucking. Keep your heart on the wheel. You might just find a love. That's the real deal. I'm just a trucker driving all night long. Didn't know my life would turn into a honky-tonk song. Picked up, a stranger thought I'd lend her a hand. Now we're riding together across this beautiful land pretty good right that's not like a classic country ballad song.

50:57 Hey, there it is. Uh, all right, right, this one we went. This one's called Whiskey on the Jukebox. That's a great name for a song and my buddy was like hey, what if we just let AI run everything here? We give it no prompting. Other than like the basic yeah, the basic idea, Theme or like the style, title and style I was like all right, all right, I mean, I think it it's gonna need more help. He's like, just, let's just see. And sure enough, it was like what do you want the song to be about? I was like okay, like see, we need to do something. He's like all right, a song. He's like a country song with homoerotic undertones and denial.

51:38 And I was like all right. So like I just gave that to the ai and just like started trying to generate the lyrics. I was like I'm just kind of struggling, but whatever. And he's like don't even read the lyrics, just get, tell it more homoerotic. And I was like all right, I did it. And he was like he's like don't read the lyrics, tell it more denial. And I was like all right, he's like more denial. And I gave it, like I did it three times, like absolute. It was like he's like all right, now one last time, just max it all out. He's like maximum homoeroticism, maximum denial. And I was like all right, and so this is what it generated after, like I didn't we didn't even read the lyrics of the other iterations. This was just the final one.

52:19 I gotta say it's like everyone I've shown the song has said like that could be a real hit. Like that, of all the things I've heard, that's like the most impressive, possibly like a huge hit whiskey on the jukebox I was sitting at the bar just trying to drown my mind, but he walked in all swagger and charmed A kind that's hard to find. I watched him move across the room but it didn't mean a thing, just another cowboy passing by Like the whiskey burning my skin.

53:00 Whiskey burning my skin. Whiskey on my skin. Neon lights are flashing, but I'm cool, I'm in control. He's dancing with another and it ain't touching my soul. He's got his hands on her waist, pulling her close, but it's just a dance. It's the whiskey in my veins that's making me steal a glance. We used to laugh and carry on two buddies having fun but now I'm feeling something else and I'm sure it's nothing, just a little too much song.

53:45 There's whiskey on the jukebox playing songs of old regret. I'm not thinking about. Whiskey on the jukebox just goes hard. Yeah, this is a hard lie, dude. That's a good lie. Me on, the lights are flashing. But I'm cool, I'm in control. He's dancing with another and it ain't touching my soul. So I tip my hat to the man. She's got wrapped around her side and I laugh it off. It's just the booze. There's nothing here to hide Denial. The bottle's getting lighter, but my thoughts are still the same. I'll be here when the music stops, with no one left to blame.

54:31 There's whiskey on the jukebox, playing songs of old regret. I'm not thinking about him. No, there's nothing there. Yet the neon lights are flashing. But I'm cool, I'm in control. He's dancing with another and it ain't touching my soul. Yeah, he's dancing with another and I'm stuck here in the dark with whiskey on the jukebox, trying to ignore the spark bro, this is the result of like. This is the result of like you know, just two, two buddies hanging out down in the basement playing on the computer, right, not homoerotic, just making gay songs.

55:19 Not gay, though, okay, we're not gay, we're just making songs that are gay, um, but anyways, uh, this is like this is ironically kind of beautiful, right, like, like it's a very like, clearly like a good song could be, like if it was a real singer, right, who could take that extra level than ai could. But even then, like it's enough there that you're like this is a musical piece and you're like we started out joking and tried to like push it to its like furthest extremes, with no direction, of just being silly and dumb, and it ended up making something pretty kind of poetic and like it's, it's pretty funny, um, and so all I said, like I just think that song is probably like one of the best turnouts.

56:04 Um, I have another one, but it's a little explicit just because of the context, because you know, I'm here's my warning for anyone who's listening doesn't want to hear, you know, perhaps, more profane language like rap. Then don't listen. Okay, skip ahead, right? Uh, it's a it's about a three minute song, so you're gonna skip over that for, like the next, like skip four minutes ahead, all right, uh, this song is. Is it gay, though? Which asks the you know philosophical question is it gosh? It sounds like white boy rap here we go yo.

56:49 I was chilling with the homies just shooting the breeze when one of them said something that knocked me to my knees. He was like bro, if you could, would you suck your own dick? I was like, hold up, man, that's a real quick trick. But then it got me thinking like what's the deal if you do it to yourself? Does that make a real quick trick? But then it got me thinking like what's the deal if you do it to yourself? Does that make it real? Is it gay, though? I mean it's just me, but now I'm all confused like what's the decree? Is it gay if you suck your own dick, or is it just some self-love, like you flicking the wrist if you jack it? Is that gay too? I'm just trying to figure out what's the proper view. I mean, think about it. We all been there when you alone at night, you put your hand in the air, you handle your biz, and that's just routine I don't know anyone who has ever thrown their hands in the air.

57:32 Is it different from a hand or is it all the same? Yo, I ain't trying to be crude, just asking the facts. If I love myself enough, is that crossing the tracks? Is it gay if you suck your own dick or is it just some self-love, like you flick in the wrist if you jack it? is that gay too? I'm just trying to figure out what's the proper view. Now hold up. What if it's just a form of self-care, like brushing your teeth or combing your hair? Ain't nobody judge you when you look in the mirror. So why is this so different, man? Why all the fear? Let's break it down. It's just anatomy, right, if you touch yourself, it's cool, it's out of sight. But if you bend down low, give yourself a little taste, is it really any different? Or just matter of taste? I'm just trying to keep no shame in the game, bro, you can't hold it responsible this is what the ai generated that's the question today.

58:17 But if it is, then what about the other way? Is it? it gay, though, if you suck your own dick, or is it just some self-love like you flick in the wrist If you? jack, it is that gay too. I'm just trying to figure out what's the proper view. Yo, at the end of the day, it's all just play, whether it's hand or mouth, man who's? To say but I'ma leave it here, let y'all debate. Is it gay if you do it or is it just fate? Dude, tell me that's not like one of the most like like that could be on the radio, bro, with modern day mumble rap anyways, um, oh my gosh. All right, I have one final one for you. One final one, um, and this, you know, is just to show absolute beauty of what this music could do.

59:04 Okay, it is silly because the premise is I gave it the prompt a summary of a uh, single session of dnd and I kind of made it as a joke, but it turned out awesome, um, and my buddy was helping, he was like maybe we could try to see if it could do it in the style of Shakespearean sonnet, and a Shakespearean sonnet is the rhyming scheme is like line A, line B, line A, line B, line C, c, line D, d, line E, e, repeat. I wonder if it wrote it, because also it's supposed to be written in iambic pentameter as well. I wonder if it hit that that as well you could probably know that if by listening to it right it's about the syllable breakdown, but we'll see so this uh was designed?

59:47 I was trying to really get it to do gregorian background chanting uh in traditional english folk, but with an r&b rap. Famous 2010 male r&b pop artist. Male singer. Okay, so what I was really shooting for was this, and I'm going to play a second of it because I don't want it to get necessarily flagged right. But give me a second. I'm pulling up the inspo, okay, but uh, well, I guess, while I'm trying to get it to load, because the computer's taking a second, do you have any idea who that might describe? Pat that genre? Gregorian chanting in the background. 2010's male R&B pop singer. This is the story Of Ugnug, the bugbear barbarian, in Dion, the Leonin Paladin.

1:00:36 In lines of when shadows thick do dwell. Live dog, no girl above their fierce and wild. With strength unmatched, he fought with primal hell. Beside him stood breaking on lion's child, on lion's trap, a paladin with sword and holy might. Together they could face the demon's rage, but in a clash against darkness, and this night, ug knocked it for his soul, bound in a cage From death's cruel grass, a journey to hellish depths where souls are sold Through fire and blood.

1:01:23 A bond is made, a tale of valor never to fade. You're born for hope beyond it pledges all. To rescue Ognog from the fiery pit All right, so we'll route it back into the park was set in stone through gates of flame where devils hold their reign. With courage, fast they ventured all alone to free their friend from everlasting pain.

1:02:07 Oh, courage. Breathed in darkness, forged and burned in realms where even angels fear to tread, through trials grim where hope seems but a ray, they battle on with love, their kind faith, through staging depths where rivers run with fire. They fought through hordes of demons, vile and felt. Their bond of steel did never once expire as they defied the lords who reign in hell, in burning fields where shadows dance and leer.

1:02:48 Ser Benedict, with Valor, let the charge. While Dian's roar struck terror, none did cheer. I sent you the lyrics too yes, trial by combat.

1:03:33 The devil's did array To earn his freedom in this cursed land With mighty swings, the battle did fail Halfway through verse four. Yeah, as Dion fought with all his heart and soul, while Benedict, with strikes both swift and true, laid waste to foes, to make their brother whole. The fight was fierce, with blood and sweat and streams, but victory was seized by valiant might. Abnag was freed from hell's most wicked dreams and, with his friends, returned to morning's light.

1:04:14 They stood as brothers, forged by by fire strife. They're bound out stronger than the sharpest blade In tales of yore. Their deeds shall spring to life as legends. Bold, their fangs shall never fade. Oh, courage bright. I had to extend it because it has a four-minute cap, so you have to extend it. Through trials grim, where hope seems but a wreath, they battled on with love, their guiding faith. So let this tale be sung in every hall of Anu Dion and Ser Benedict brave Upon the conquered death, defying all Ip, har and Soap, they found the strength to save.

1:05:10 No demon's grasp nor hellish curse could stand against the might of love and friendship's light. And it kind of does like a repeat of the bridge in like verse three. But pretty sick, right, right, dude, isn't that insane? Oh yeah, so dude. Ai music. I think it's gonna kill, like anyone who's not serious about making good music. Cause the way I see it is like this works insanely well on a basis of workshopping an idea and a theme and, you know, if you're not very musically inclined, it gives you like, the idea of like, oh that could be, the build it yeah, and then like I but you know what I would sooner do for like like um, one of the country songs, rather than having it sound like bender the robot from futurama singing singing it.

1:06:16 I would send that then to a country artist you can hire on Fiverr who's just making recordings. She'd be like hey, man, can you hit these notes and we'll just dub you in over the track. You know what I mean. You don't even have to play an instrument and then you get a real authentic, with like a little bit of that charisma and like twang and like you know, a little bit of the kind of like um, improv is a nation improvisation that like a real musician might have, and um, and then you can have like a real musician also, like give you the feedback of like hey, I mean this is like elementary decent, but like we could push it a little bit further and like really kind of refine the tone and like you know the way it carries out and like.

1:07:01 So I really do think like one. I'm sure every major record label is doing this right now using it for their concept pieces and using it in the back of stuff too yeah, before then they just give it. You know whoever they're trying to pump up, um, but it is. It is like I mean I think this is the way to go now, like I can never imagine anyone opening up like another, like a studio mixing system to create all these things from scratch, when you could just get this and then sample from all these tracks royalty free, you never have to worry about anyone suing you over licensing yep, because it's all ai generated and so it's royalty free.

1:07:41 And like if someone's like well, they're building it off of someone else's music, it's like okay, then sue the people making the ai. But like creators using it to then sample and mix and pull their things off of and then use it as inspiration to create their work, I don't really think there's like grounds to sue them. It's kind of like the same thing of like someone wants to sue mid journey for mid journey using their photos and artwork to train their model off of Sure. Yeah, I mean, if they, if you don't have it in paperwork, where they have the right to do so, then go for it, but you shouldn't be suing the people using mid journey. Right, then go for it, but you shouldn't be suing the people using Midjourney to create original works of art that are maybe aesthetically similar but like I mean.

1:08:23 Come on man. There's nothing new under the sun. It gets hard to litigate it one way or the other and I think that those it's just crazy how fast and how long does it take for those to generate 10 seconds. I can generate your song right now. You give, me give me anything you want me to generate right now, I'll do it on the fly. Live unedited, all right I mean this is edited right, like this is edited before it goes to listeners. But I'm gonna do it right now and pat is ear to god not gonna edit it. All right, I want let's do a first. Here's the first thing you have to do just tell me the style of music and then we'll discuss the lyrics.

1:09:05 Yeah, first tell me the style I want pop punk. I wonder if you should or we should be punk pop if we like for them. How to? but like, uh, yeah, punk pop style got a decade that you like 90s pop punk no, we're going to do 2010s. No, we got to go earlier, just 2000s punk rock pop. Male female vocalist male vocalist. Can it do a female duet in the choruses? I'll try. We'll see what it does male vocalist, female duet, chorus, anything else, any other genre stuff any other like emo, alt rock, folk, pop, punk grunge punk.

1:10:01 I think we can. We can stay there. We can. We can stay there for this one. Okay, all right lyrics what should give? Tell me, just like the main concept the lyrics should be about. I want it to be about um. Somebody who lost their game boy, and where'd they lose it? Somebody who lost their Game Boy, and Where'd they lose it? Well, they lost their Game. Boy Like in the supermarket. At the supermarket. That's a great place. That's where those get lost and that they're experiencing, you know, emotional baggage from this event, and their parents just don't understand them and won't buy them a new one.

1:10:45 Experiencing emotional baggage from losing their Game Boy. Mm-hmm. Their parents don't understand them, their parents. however, parents don't understand their parents, however, just don't seem to understand. Watch it do it to like it's gonna sound like oh hey, mickey, you're so fine, you're so fine, mickey, it is gonna do it like to that punk pop song. Yep, sorry, I'm just still typing it out. Now you're good.

1:11:26 I'm thinking of any other things to change in the genre, like to help it get where it needs to go. Won't buy the child new Game Boy Alright, ready, ready, alright. I'm going to tell it to generate the lyrics Right now. I'm clicking the button to tell it to generate lyrics based off that prompt Time code's going. We'll see how many, how long it goes. And it may. We got an old, there we go. Generated lyrics. It goes and it may. We got an old, there we go. Generated lyrics there we go it's only 772 characters, so it's going to be real poppy. That's. That's verse. Verse chorus verse bridge chorus.

1:12:08 Are you ready? Oh yeah, it's called title. The title generated is Lost Game Boy Blues, and it always generates two versions simultaneously and it will never generate anything longer than four minutes, unless you tell it to extend it. And you can rate them thumbs up, thumbs down, based on how they went. But here we go today. Game Boy gone, it's gone away. Parents say it's just a toy, but this hole is left.

1:12:49 Oh boy, back at home, there's nothing there. Best game nights in tooth and hair. Mom and dad, they simply sigh, can't they see the reason why? Game boy lost. Game boy gone, let's go. She's in there. I don't understand. Lost my world right from my hand. Supermarket shelf's over there, memories in flashing glare. No more Mario, no more fun, oh nice.

1:13:35 So dramatic. All right, let's just see what the other iterations. Hmm, feeling a little yellow card in this one. It's perfect. I had that sum 41, a little on the first one. Yeah. I don't think that's a duet in that one.

1:14:17 Let's see if this one doesn't do it. There's definitely a girl Girl singer Trash, immediately, trash it. We'll see if he might come in. I don't know Well, you said male vocals, that's why I trashed it. Oh, that's fine, but this hole they left. Oh boy, oh, she has some emotion in there, little Avril Lavigne-ing it Very, mom and dad, they simply sigh, can't they see the reason why?

1:15:03 Game boy lost. Game boy boy gone. I still don't think there's a duet in the chorus. I don't know let's get a good little drum intro on that. I searched every aisle today. Game boy, it's gone away. Game boy, it's gone away. Little drum intro on that. I searched every aisle today, still girl but like, do those not those sound like? Yeah, dude they sound like the sound sounds like what you'd be like in my middle school, early high school. Like that's what's hitting the radio yeah, no, they seriously do. let me go to the library here I'll show you. There's one I wanted to show because Billie Jean generated a pretty good one called College Goodbye.

1:15:45 You should save all these. We're going to put them up, all the Game Boy ones, or? Just all of them. I mean just like we should. I think we are, we're going to put them up, we're gonna put. My whole plan is here's my agenda. I'm just gonna call a playlist songs to sneak into other playlists, so that way people are like bopping and they're like wait, is this a song? Yeah, is this kind of? Is this a song about a guy and his hunting buddy? yeah like it's on the title. It makes it up to like the Tyler Childers radio. Yeah, exactly alright, uh child, uh college. Goodbye breakup song 120 bpm. Guitar ballad bridge teen country pop singer, violin she watched him pack his bags in the morning.

1:16:29 Her smile hit the tears of the tomb. Two hearts, one. So close now for long. He's gone to find a new dawn. He drove off with dreams in his eyes, left her under the pale blue skies. She whispered soft goodbyes, masking all the quiet cries. College goodbye. It's a hard road walking this path all alone, heart sick, and the miles have grown. She wonders when he'll be home.

1:17:12 College goodbye. It's a hard road walking this path. This isn't like a you know Swifty song. Yeah, all right, this one is Billie Jean's second attempt. This was her first attempt. The College Goodbye was her second one. This one was her trying to recreate a like boy band A little One Direction Exactly she really, really wanted to be one direction. Okay, so she gave it team pop upbeat, positive boy band synth beats, clapping love song. 2010s it's called date for prom uh, yeah, this will sell, dude no no no no no no no, no, no, no, no, no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no, no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no, no, no, no, no, no no no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no no, no, no, no, no.

1:18:17 The ladies will dance on the dance floor, yeah and every guy will pretend to be the dude. Yeah, pretty good, isn't that crazy? It's crazy. Um, now let me just show you two, though something sick. This is kind of like where I kind of want to cap it off right. All right, I'm going to play you some songs in the background and I they're just the instrumental songs, and the instrumental songs I've been improving over time. Okay, so I'm just going to go to my thumbed up songs and, excuse me, just start playing through these. Um, so, that way, these are inspired to be like 80s kraut rock, gloomcore rock, down tempo, ambient, echoing soundscapes, and the whole idea is like this is just atmospheric, like soundtrack level for like movies, shows, games, stuff like that.

1:19:15 Right, because I think, like you listen to this and there's never going to be a moment where you're going to like in the back of your mind while we're hanging and talking. You're never going to be like wait, that's, that's not good enough right like that's not going to be, that's not going to pass for a game you know what I mean so, but anyways, what are your thoughts? Because you a lot of people might not know, but pat is an actual musician. Pat has led many a worship team and uh has been playing. How long you've been like singing, jamming for in your life, like when did you start 13, okay, yeah. So you've been doing it a while, like over half your life now yeah, yeah. So I guess, yeah, yeah, I guess like 13, when I picked up a guitar and then 14, 15, yeah, we were off and going then, yeah for sure.

1:20:00 So you know it's weird because I do like I I really enjoy playing around, having fun with ai. We use it for our artwork, for our show, like you know, even this, like this stuff sounds great and then, like these songs were thrown together, you know, it's like they're pleasing to the ear and stuff, and like I think that, um, and I think it's really fun as like a hobby or like like messing around and then, but it is like kind of sad the fact that like, like this, what we're listening to right now, would have taken a huge team of people, a lot of time in a studio to make happen. And so it's like the um, I think that there's a couple like things around the ai conversation.

1:20:45 Um, specifically with music, you know, would be that you could say that music's done, music's dead, in the sense of like you know, like no, I don't, it'd be hard, for even like a trained producer, I think like to pick this out. As you know, at some of those other songs, the full songs with lyrics, you know there's stuff like this, like backgrounds of your playing. Yeah, it's like you know, it'd be pretty hard, I think, to pick out that like this was generated, whereas, like the first ai images that were really coming out like they were, and they still kind of are there. You could just something about your eyes seeing them. You're like the uncanny thing in there. That's like even the super real looking ones are like oh, that's, that's AI, you know, but it's definitely with the video, but then with the music it's it's just taken off.

1:21:34 And while people are up in arms about this right now, big time, oh yeah, people are losing their mind because they're like what am I supposed to do for work now? I'm literally creating these sounds, bringing people in, recording and mixing all day. That's my whole job. And now I just got laid off because the rapper can just sit down and just infinite click of tracks generated, as long as he's got the credits to do it, right and I'd say, well, the crazy thing, though, about music though, is we kind of had already arrived there in a lot of ways, like with, like people have already been using backing tracks and not just like not talking about where you you know whatever sample sampling you know, but I'm talking about you know where they they're using already, like, most of the drums you listen to are all um they're, they're all.

1:22:21 It's all like pre-recorded drums recorded drums put in there and so they're put in perfectly in time and stuff, and then you have, you know, just like, even with the auto tune, you know, and like people who experienced this, where you go see an artist live and you're like, oh, they're not that good, yeah, like they can't sing that good like. And so we've already kind of in a lot of ways, we already were there with like and just in general like the quality of music that passes for music, and then like whatever, like soundcloud artists and like, you know, whatever, like everybody's a dj or like type stuff. And so I think that with this going back to what we're talking about earlier, where I think it will be a cool tool for helping you build stuff, especially one man show type stuff, you can really make stuff happen fast.

1:23:07 You know, I think that what I, so I think that this will separate out the people who really want to go for it and be creative and do their own stuff. And then you know, and then the industry that was already kind of in already, like radio hits for the last, you know, 15 years have been, you know, already pretty much just synthesized. And so the one thing that I does bum me out would be like, what like? What about the neck? Like the people who are being born right now, what's there? like are they going to pick up an instrument? What's? what? Will they pick up an instrument? What's their musical experience Like? Are they just going to pick up a Mac book or, like you know? What's the like you know? And I think that they will.

1:23:49 But like just their relationship with music, I think will be so different and like, yeah, and and the music industry is already like so saturated with like people are coming out with songs every day, like you know, and the cool thing about things like SoundCloud, spotify, that's how people have gotten, you know, gotten seen, they're gotten their stuff out there, gotten known, haven't had to sign to big record labels, um, and do it that traditional path, and so it's a. It's just a. There's good and bad. That comes with it, you know either way. So it's cool. Like you know we'll use. You know I for like applications like this, for instance, like if I want to do some video production stuff and I want to put out something and you don't want to get flagged with royalty free stuff yeah, and or just you want to have something that really fits what you want in that moment, you can just boom, boom, boom, get it.

1:24:45 You know like put it together and then put it in the background. Like like the whiskey on the jukebox song, I was like that should play in the back of a movie. Yeah, like while someone's in a's in a bar, that could play and it'd totally pass. Yep and no copyright laws. Yeah for the ambience of the scene and so you know, it's like there's just good and bad that's going to come with it, and so we'll see if the main thing is we're, you know, will this give the little man, or is it just because a big corporation is going to be able to like just even make more money off it? Because once an artist signs their name to them and then once an artist signs their voice to them, you know they only have to, you know, go in for three days, sing for a couple hours at a time, and now they have the catalog.

1:25:30 You know that sort of thing. So it's going to be just a different world to navigate. It's going to be just a different world to navigate. One area where I don't like it, though, where, like, let's take it into, like where my main, like my main field has been in, like the worship music industry Like there's just something bastardized about like singing a song to God written by a computer. Yeah, you know, like there's something there for me that's like, let me, let me challenge you on that Don't be devil's advocate, just to challenge you, right, cause I also agree it is weird, but I've seen a couple of people saying like, dude, these lyrics, like I told the AI, like we trained the AI on scripture, like we gave it the Bible to train on, right, you know what I mean.

1:26:15 And then it's like's like all right, and here's like worship songs that are successful or like, uh, not necessarily successful, but like appealing, appeasing worship songs. So then they, I generated some and it was like totally fine, worship song. Right, I was watching the youtube video and I was like dude, yeah, like, I actually think those lyrics are good and I think the like, everything's fine, like, and I, if you told me that it wasn't generated by ai, I believe it. And I think the like, everything's fine, like, and I, if you told me that it wasn't generated by ai, I believe it. And I think, um, I think that is kind of the weird thing when we get technical right, right, like because let me, you know, this is the devil's advocate argument right, it's like, yeah, pat, you use a guitar, and there's guys up there with a drum kit and a bass guitar and there's some, you know, people who say like.

1:27:03 Those are all perversions of worship. That worship should only be the sound of the human voice, you know, and that's why there's, like you know, still whole worship, you know churches that don't use instruments, churches that are like only acapella. There is no instruments allowed, not even an organ. You know what I mean, so that's why I'm like where's the line. Yeah, where do we toe the line on that? Oh yeah, I think there's a great conversation on this whole thing because, like, let's say, even like prior to the AI conversation conversation, I've had for a long time struggle and trouble with, like, the worship music industry, because it has become a very monetized industry as well, where you have certain big churches just cranking out singles yep, you know right, and it sounds shallow, like don't get me wrong like I love good, good father.

1:27:56 I think good god father to me is a perfect worship song. It doesn't it's never been repetitive to me, or bull, dull or boring. But when people are like that's a dull, boring worship song and I get really sick of it, I'm like I can understand that yeah I've never felt that way. It's very it's out. But as you know, there's a personal connection to that song and so with that like it's very like I, it's not like worships. Worship music was a pinnacle of musical genius a lot of times right like the last worship song. That maybe was a stroke of absolute musical genius. Was perhaps like Amazing Grace.

1:28:38 Amazing Grace? Yeah, I was trying to. I was like Amazing Grace, that might be the last one, right, I was going to bring up that too, where, like because part of my problem with it too I think that AI could write theologically sound music. I think it could actually write songs that are better for congregations to sing, because lots of music has moved away from corporate worship, where the point is to gather together and sing performative, it's more performative and or like it's it'd be better for you to like listen to on your own. Yeah right, um, and theologically, some of the songs we do with it, like people they're cranking out, are very um, they're kind of getting into deeper waters and they know, and then everybody's singing about stuff that, like, they don't like.

1:29:19 Do you know the implications of what you just said, like? You're singing like revel, like you're singing like some, like big, like you're saying a verse from revelation and like that. That's a heavy hitter and like do you really want to sing that over yourself, do you believe? Do you believe that, do you? yeah, so, I think that, like ai, in those ways, in some of those ways, could come out with like even you know, more like um more, uh, oh I just got a stroke of genius. You know more more theologically sound things on there and better corporate worship. But then if you go over, like just some, some songs I was going to list off which are like and there's tons out there like, uh, amazing grace, one for sure, how great thou art. Moving up, way up the line, we've got like there was a great song, I Love you, lord, and then another one, my Lighthouse.

1:30:03 Not that one. My. Lighthouse nope, nope, not that one Revelation song how he Loves and like you said, Good, good Father. Oh dude, how he Loves right and so like and especially like, like. Those songs were, I believe, divinely inspired through the person writing it in their relationship with god. And there's really interesting stories through those like, especially like the last two I named. They got semi-hijacked by, like, mainstream big artists, but those were written by house churches like house churches, small guys. Good, good, father, is what put house churches on the map? House fires, yeah, house fires, not church. And then? like john mark mcmillan was. You know it wasn't crowded, did that, and but so, anyways, like, I think that the aspect of the, the divine inspiration in that of a person putting the lyrics down, that's what's robbed, and you and like, and I'm, and I don't think every single worship song is divinely inspired, right, so, um, I think a lot of it's just cranked out or it's or it's important or it's valuable to that individual, but so I don't know, you know, I think that, you know, I I think it could be used as a tool in some ways too, but then, at the same, yeah, yeah, I think in the worship world and in the teaching world, like people using it to write sermons and stuff is also can be like semi, like semi, like dangerous waters in some ways, I think you could use it as a good research tool.

1:31:25 Yeah, but let me say to that point too. Yeah, as someone who heavily, heavily uses ai day in and day out, whether it's testing statistic models for machine learning or if it's like using language models, um, I have used AI to help prepare um D and D sessions and story and help me like quickly flesh out plot points, like I'll give it bullet points and help it answer questions that it needs like filled in. If I don't read what it puts out, there is often almost always conflicting detail or conflicting things said by different characters in reference to like information and like when I say this, like I'm not talking even like a theatrical thing, I'm talking about like like that was just straight wrong.

1:32:18 Just a basis of information of like you're telling the players like, hey, here's your mission for tonight and here's what you guys got to do. And if you read it without having refined it and gone through and kind of highlighted where it got wrong and corrected it, if you just read it off the prompt, it's going to give sometimes some pretty conflicting information on like what to do. And so, like I even think of it like business wise. I know people are like just totally letting it generate their emails because like generate me a response to like someone. That is like I'm properly like telling them off but business-wise appropriate, yeah, people are copy pasting that and then getting in big trouble, you know yeah, yeah, and so it's a, it's a like there's in like and then, especially like in the, if you take it to like a religious context, right, and like you don't proof sample that and you're just reading off ai notes, you could end up at a point where you're preaching and you're like, oh wait, this is not biblically sound, and you're like, um, so, and you got to like pivot on the fly, right, and then you're preaching and then you're like actually speaking from the heart and not over something that's just generated right, and there's differences too between, like, preaching and teaching.

1:33:27 In some ways, too, we would say like is, are you a? If you were to sit down, say I'm going to tell you a Bible story, okay, that could be. Hey, you could use AI to summarize something, right? Hey, these four chapters on and you summarize that for me. Okay, you go through it. Okay, that that's pretty good. A little bit, that's. I think that's a fair use of it. Obviously has to be proved to of like converting that into. Like, here's the the heart of the matter. Yeah, that's where it starts to get. Here's the real lesson. That's kind of the lesson of the story is where I think it also. That's where you can really kind of lose the, you know, lose the grip on it? oh yeah, for sure, and I mean I I know we kind of got off music, but, like, I think, everything you said I I totally agree with.

1:34:14 And you know I, even though I'm playing devil's advocate I I totally agree with. And you know I, even though I'm playing devil's advocate, you know I, I agree with everything you're saying. I do think, though, like we're reaching a point to where we've just talked about, like the uh, we've talked about this before like Google, when there was, like give me a picture of the founding fathers, and like it's not the founding fathers, right? And like um, so it's one of those things of you know the, the data, and the person who's um setting variables in these models, that's the arbiter, that's who decides what the ai is going to put out. And so, like I do think, though, like we'll reach a point here, I'm I'll bet money on this that we're going to come into a point in society I don't know when, but um, we're going to come to a point where, like we see, just as languages have died out or skills have died out, you know, we see all those things on, like business insider of, like how this Japanese monastery is still making this, uh, pastel color color right, and it's like a craft that only like two people know how to do.

1:35:20 still, and if they die without passing that on, it's gone yeah and I think, like music will hit that like I genuinely think, like we'll there'll be times where it's like someone who still can play you know, we we had that whole thing where we spent on our favorite songs, favorite musicians and like there'll be someone who is like, pretty much just creating what we take for granted today. But it will be live, you know, and it'll be a person. It will sell out. Those people will be like the people who are passing on the craft and, like music lessons to learn an instrument will become, you know, insanely expensive and, like, you know, hard to find a teacher who still remembers, like musical theory when it comes to creating those, uh, the songs.

1:36:07 And so I do think it will become something that is like it could. It could become something where we lose our own knowledge of how to do it because so many people just take it for granted, and then it becomes more and more I'm trying to think of the word rare, I guess, just rare that someone would know how to do that and create those tracks by hand. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think that. Yeah, it's just, it's speeding up so fast. Yeah, who knows what? I don't think, we don't, we don't know the implications of the technology. I'll tell you what, though I'm super stoked for the day it gets to like the point where, like you can just you can just type in what kind of movie you want yeah, like it can be 30 minutes, 90 minutes, whatever and you can just watch that movie.

1:37:00 Or like you and I could sit down and like we have the same prompt and experience two different like outcomes. Like we could like, uh, you know, lord of the rings, right, and like, watch a lord of the rings, but like frodo keeps the ring in my version and then then you know, sam betrays Frodo and pushes him into Lala in your version. And like it's like whoa dude, and like we kind of like fanboy about that you know, and like the different experiences. Yeah, oh, for sure, I think it's. It has really cool applications. Anyways, yeah, good stuff. We hope you enjoyed this. We'll try to figure out how to put some of these tracks up so you guys can download and listen to them as well.

1:37:43 But yeah, thanks for joining us at the Make and Pass show. We covered a lot of stuff, a lot of fun stuff. If you've got thoughts about AI, let us know. We've got comments on the YouTube. We've got email. Send us an email, give us feedback If there's anything else you want us to cover. If you are someone who works in AI, love to talk to you, love to have you on the show. Yeah. But with that Pac any sign-offs Just till next time.