The Mick & Pat Show - Camp Tales

0:01 uh, welcome to the mick and pat show again. Um, I will say, pat our. The amount of degenerates listening to this show is rapidly increasing, yeah and english speakers. Oh good, yeah, so um, but uh yeah, welcome degenerates. You know who you are and thanks for tuning in. We appreciate you and if you're new to the show, we refer to our dedicated listeners. As Ken, I see you as family and thanks for tuning in. We have a special, special evening because a good friend of mine and a new friend of Pat's Because I can't remember if you guys had met before in Crossing I don't think so.

0:52 It's very hard for me to recall after all these years which friends have overlapped in the Venn diagram of events, but joining us tonight is my buddy, ty and Ty, we go back over 10 years now. It'll be 10 years this summer. They say. They say if, uh, you've been friends with someone for 10 years I think it's seven, I know what you're going to say it's seven that you'll end up making love to each other. Ooh, I'm behind there at the end. But yeah, Ty go ahead and introduce yourself, share whatever you like to do, whatever your job, your life is, it's really up to you, man.

1:36 Yeah, thanks for having me on. I've been looking forward to this. This is quite the honor. I am a friend of Mick. Yeah, what did we say? It'll be 10 years. Yeah. Yeah, 10 years in 2025. That's crazy. Where'd you? guys meet Ooh. So Mick and I met at a. Summer camp. Summer camp yeah. Eagle. Lake Okay. I mean, it's so far behind us that I don't really feel like it matters. Yeah, so we met at Eagle Lake Camps, which is located in Woodland Park yeah yeah, colorado Springs, woodland Park.

2:22 Yeah yeah, colorado Springs, woodland Park area. Yeah. So how I got there was I had originally applied to be a groundskeeper at this camp because I was just like at this point in my life, um, where I just wanted, uh, just kind of a fresh start, and I was like, should I work at a dude ranch, should I be? I was born in Colorado. Kind of a fresh start and I was like, should I work at a dude ranch, should I be? I was born in colorado, kind of grew up here, but at the time I was living in nebraska and then you were also at that point a degenerate uh, I don't know, yeah. Yeah, I was gonna say I don't know if a whole lot has changed, but still a little bit of a degenerate would you say you were walking with the lord before you came to?

3:09 absolutely not, brother no um no, I very much not. Did not. Went to a um catholic high school and middle school, so I could probably at the time give you some Sunday school answers. Did not have Jesus in my heart for sure. Anyways, did not know that I was going to be working at that camp. I thought I was going to be a groundskeeper, like I said. Are you a counselor? I drove like 600 miles from Lincoln, nebraska, to Colorado Springs and I'm thinking, okay, cool, I'm going to get like the dude rants experience, I'm going to ride horses, I'm going to fix fence, chew tobacco and I'm going to fuck off for the summer.

4:01 Yeah, no, no, no, absolutely not. I show up. And at first they wanted. They were like hey, man, we filled your position, um filled your position with a black dude from mississippi was he from mississippi, where? was he from atlanta, I can't remember where. His name was chris, and chris he's from the inner city somewhere. He's cool. Yeah, he't remember where he was from. His name was Chris. He's from the inner city somewhere. He was cool. Yeah, he was a good dude. He's definitely not counselor material. Looking back now, he was better for that position than I was, and if I was a groundskeeper, I would have never met my now wife and then a few other friends, mick being one of them.

4:48 Yeah, so, yeah, so that's just kind of how it happened. Yeah, it was pretty much love at first sight, Pat. Mick physically assaulted me. Okay, so this is where he wants to start with this. Yeah, really, I think I'd like to start from like we're sitting there during the orientation. Oh, that's true. And like. Playing the human, not game. No, no, no, it was like the boring Death by PowerPoint presentation part. And it was like Eagle Lake does this presentation on, like you know how to sing the papaya song. No, no, no, no like this is not the joke one.

5:30 This is like the. This is like if you're a pedophile, we'll make you disappear this summer. Like, just quit now. There's like they're getting serious yeah, well, it was literally like it was so hammered over and over, like it's better for you to leave than for us to find out, like if you're a pedophile, we're basically gonna kill you, we're gonna take you to the train stop or the train station you know it was. It was just like over and over, and I remember it was like so long and I'm like looking at like people and none of us are friends yet, except for people who had already been there, I'm like, good god, I wonder if someone here's a pedophile they're it Like how many pedophiles come to the like be camp counselors every year. And then, like it was right after they like were like all right, take 10.

6:10 And you know, I'm just like sitting in my chair and looking around and just kind of eyeing people up, and then I see Ty and he's he had like a Jimmy Neutron haircut at the time. It was pretty like up and then curled. It was like a snake tunnel. Or tunnel snake. Yeah, I thought it was funny, tunnel snake, a wave. Well, the tunnel snake's a hairdo. It's a hairdo, it's your hair, bro. You got that stiff, dark Nebraska hair. Well, Mick doesn't have any hair, that's true male pattern baldness is is coming on set early. We don't even know if it skipped a generation I have more hair on my face than you ever will oh, also not, not true?

6:53 yeah, exactly 100 true um, what you know, it's always just like been unbelievable. Like, looking at you, what you have like, like you have a hair, you get out of my feelings. You, you have like no like between your neck and then your your nether bits. You don't have any hair. Yeah, it's true, I have a happy trail yeah, that's all you got yeah, I am pretty squeaky clean like a baby, other than like the stray like Naked mole rat kind of. Like oh okay, all right, that's how you see it. I see it kind of as like a slick, hard plastic, like you know, ken Bod, wow, here's the thing, man, you're running your mouth a lot right now and I recall you just ogling and taking every opportunity to rub your hands across my body that summer.

7:45 So no, but all right, no. So like literally, like we make eye contact and I just it's just kind of like this like nod thing, like he. I see he's looking at me, I'm looking at him. It is like one of those things that like in my head I'm like it's a little gay, but like whatever, I don't know that guy's name, that room, room beneath the dining hall. Dining hall. No, it's like the big bubble yeah, the big bubble, T-Dome and later on. You know, I'm still trying to figure out who actually can hang and be kind of rough and tough for the summer, Because it's like summer camp but there's a lot of people who are like weenies. That is Mick, down to his core Like who's gonna roughhouse with me yeah, and like we're throwing the frisbee on this hill while leaving the dining hall.

8:32 No campers, of course, are here yet and I don't know what started at first, but I felt someone it might have not been you, it might have been, uh, one of these other guys, danny someone bumped into me like a good shoulder check shove to snap the frisbee and I was like I and like. Then, when it was coming back our direction, I saw a tie going for it and I just bulldozed into him down the hill and the fact that he was laughing about it and we were laughing as we were rolling down the hill in like dry shrub brush. I was like this is my dog, like for the rest of the summer, this is the dog and like it's this is it, it's going to be a good summer.

9:16 You two were just like Simba and Nala, rolling down that hill. It really was, bro. It was like that yeah, just all like, oh my gosh, uh, anyways. So, um, oh, the chemistry, yeah, no, I mean it was. It was pretty much like we became buddies off from there yeah, we became buddies real fast and we're spending pretty much like every night we were just up late, either playing cards or talking on the cabin patios and just getting to know stuff, and um, I'm trying to think like what the first? I feel like that first weekend or one of those weekends we were like we've got cigars and when I don't know whose house we were at but we were just chilling to smoke cigars, it was just a good old boys weekend before any girls came and ruined it.

10:03 Oh dude, mick introduced me into the wonderful world of primetimes. Oh yeah, that's right, I was a primetime monster bro. Early college age high class cigars. Bro, what can I say? I grew up on the streets, I love my grape and watermelon primetimes, oh yeah, um, but uh, yeah, and then uh, we, I really think like the the best thing was like what three weeks, four weeks into with campers. We got paired up with these like kid, like we were in a boy's cabin, of course paired up, and the boys were like little boys, not middle schoolers, and I think they were all like in the age range of like seven to maybe nine, like first and second graders yeah and uh, oh, man, they were just.

10:53 It was awesome like they were. Like there was times where they're annoying, for sure, but it was pretty much just Ty and I got to just wrestle them, you know, I mean and like that was that was the whole week of just wrestling them until they were tired enough to nap, and then we just sit out on the patio that's definitely like the age group where they're not too cool and um yeah, so they can't read, so like it's like bible time and it's like what are you gonna do? like they just look. There was weeks where I remember one time I was, it was someone that week it was just a kid looking at his Bible, crying because he just couldn't, he didn't know how to read yet, and he was just so overwhelmed by the amount of words on the page. It was hilarious, dang. Is that a core memory for you just now?

11:37 That just came back. No, I'm thinking of the Jesus. Jesus was good, okay. So I, later part of the summer I had this camper who, um, I think he got like anyways, like a, a sponsorship, um, anyways. Someone had basically like kind of helped him get you know, get to this camp, and he was writing a thank you card at the end of the week. And I still, now that I'm thinking about it, I'm still questioning if he just like pulled one over on me. I don't think so. But he wrote, uh, this thank you note and then was trying to say jesus, and it was jesus jesus every time, yeah, I just about lost my mind well, because you don't want to laugh at him and hurt their feelings like you want them to write the cards but I was like jesus.

12:40 Jesus, how many times has it been up on the screen this week? There was also bro. You gotta tell this one, this was a good one. You had that middle school. I'm pretty sure it was middle school age camper that made the ultimate commitment to it, wasn't Gaga Ball? What was it? No, this is the same kid. Oh, it was the same kid, same exact kid. Okay, alright, now you gotta tell this story of how you found this out All right. So on Thursdays, thursdays was probably the most full day because campers maybe, yeah, maybe Friday, I can't really remember Anyways full of activities, full of a lot of fun stuff.

13:23 But yes, it was during Gaga Ball. So Gaga Ball, what is that? No, newcomb, newcomb, it was. Newcomb that's what it is. I was king of the Newcomb courts at Eagle Lake. Yeah it was Newcomb. So if you don't know, for the listeners that don't know what Newcomb is, it's essentially volleyball, but you can't move and there's way too many players there's like 20 players on each side and if it comes near you and you don't hit it back and it hits the sand, you're out every like pinballs off of you and a couple other people and hits the ground. You're all out. Yeah, you're all out. It's kind of like dodgeball in a sense and for some reason, it's the most important thing to win to a lot of middle school boys.

14:07 Yeah, I broke my tailbone playing nukem really yeah, because you can leave your feet, but then, like, the new position that you land in, is you where you gotta stay until the ball comes near you again? Yeah, uh. But yeah, the ultimate sacrifice was made by this kid and somewhere in between playing Newcomb, and then we went straight from that to dinner. Thursday night was banquet night too. Banquet night, dude. So yeah, he just unloaded in his pants, Just shit in his pants and just shit, good old to win nukem dude.

14:50 He was not like. This is not a second grader. This must have been, oh, way too old, like sixth or seventh grade. Way too old, way too old for this, um, which made me kind of feel bad because I don't know, he's probably probably just more going on. But, dude, he's a laugh at him for it. Okay, we've all been there. You know he's probably got a college degree now. Yeah, if you're listening to this man, I've been there. Um. I I've been in situations where I've been prairie dogging it but um, yeah, been prairie dogging it but um, yeah, I don't know he he committed all the way. Anyways, it gets to the end of the night, we're all going into our bunks and I am just like dude, and this is after like we had showered and everything, and I was just like yo, it reeks, this is insane and it's I know I can smell and it's near me because I remember walking around the cabin and it would just, it would like, dissipate, it would be like you could smell it right here and then it's, you can't smell it over here.

15:51 Then you come back around and it's, it's here, it's under, and literally like I look down, I have my headlight on, I look straight down, there's just his pair of underpants, uh, between my feet, just with that log in it. It was like whatever, probably like 10, 30 at night I want to say maybe earlier, but I was way too tired for this and I just like went outside, found a stick, pick, pick the pant, you know underpants up and just like threw them just outside of the cabin. I was just I don't even have like the tolerance or the energy to like actually just like go toss him away. But then I made a point the next morning to confront this kid and I was just like what's this about?

16:37 Yeah. He was like nuke him, I did it, those aren't mine. And I was like, well, after nu, after nukem, we went back to the cabin. You could have, like you had like all these different chances to change you know didn't do it, yeah, and somehow like no one else, I don't know. so anyways, nuke, just nuke, just pants. Yeah for the win Wow. Well, I've talked about the gorilla costume on this podcast before. Right, you're right. Yeah. See, hey Ty, I just want to know what it was like from your perspective, like from within the cabin. You don't have to tell the whole story, because people who have listened have already heard the story of the gorilla costume and the whole buildup, but I just I wasn't in the cabin so I'm only Translated like what I heard from the outside.

17:28 Um, I haven't Thought about that literally Since it happened. I mean, I'm sure we've probably Talked about it afterwards, but I'm trying to remember. Um, you had the really rough inner city Mexican kids that were from Denver, oh yeah, and like none of them brought real swim trunks. They just like were too cool for school. You had the really rough inner city Mexican kids that were from Denver, oh yeah, and like none of them brought real swim trunks. They just like were too cool for school. Yeah, yeah, do you. How did? Okay? Just real quick recap. How did you get that? How did you procure my campers? brought it up and we and. I was like so ball.

18:10 And they were like, yeah, we should just run around all week this and this. I'm like no, no, no, no, like we get them to announce there's a gorilla loose from cheyenne mountain zoo, we build up to it and then I'll I'll put it on and run through camp and scare campers and I I didn't tell any other dude counselors other than like you and and our buddy gom, and I think you were the only two I kept in on it. Oh no, gum was gone, gum was fired by this point. Yeah I can't. I'm trying to remember. There was only like you and one other dude. I told about it. I was like, hey, I'm doing this. It was probably danny, and then the rest of them. I didn't tell because I wanted it to be genuine, but I remember, like you, had those mexicans that were too cool for school. I'm like, bro, I'll scare the daylights out of them. A couple of them were super cool, but I think I found out that one of them had a vape and I was just like dude Share.

18:53 I was like I'm not going to report you or anything. I don't want to make this a thing which I totally could have got fired for that. Yeah, so what? Yeah, because that other. Well, anyways, we're getting. Did anyone cry? when I because I remember I was like picking up their I do remember porch and like acting, you know, sniffing them, and I was blowing on the glass definitely. Uh, one of my kids cried now that I'm thinking about it, which was super cool. It was awesome. That was honestly the best. Yeah, kids that have never really been to the woods or have seen wild animals, yeah, and then just get PTSD.

19:44 Oh man. From making a gorilla costume costume it was a good time oh, man, dude, I've never been back, man not? once I went back a few times to do some video editing and stuff to visit some people. Anyways, you met your honey from there. I did meet Bonnie, yeah, and now you and Bonnie have a little one, clyde Clyde Nice, it's kind of weird that she named her son Clyde. It's kind of a you know we're not going to go there, Right, but yeah, it's been almost 10 years, yeah, basically every time I ever hung out with her besides, maybe like one or two times there was, you know, you were around.

20:49 You also had a lady friend at the time and she's doing great. She's out there married with kiddos and she's very successful, yeah, um it was? yeah, it was. It was a lot of fun to because we had like a good group of friends that would hang out when we would have our 24 hours off the mountain. Yeah, and one of my favorite memories is we uh there was like the four of us decided to have like a late lunch on saturday afternoon oh, this is good. And um, we were somewhere downtown colorado springs and we were running late and I must have ran over a nail and so, like we came out to my 98 Lexus LS 400.

21:35 Beautiful car, it's a great car. Rip With a completely flat tire and I was just like like, oh my gosh, and luckily uh had like a regular rim and tire ready to, ready to roll and we probably changed that tire in what? Two minutes? two minutes, yeah it was like it was crazy, it was unreal we were already late, like there was no chance we're gonna make it on time, and then, with having a flat tire, it was just like oh my god. But I've never had and I've had like probably three or four instances of a flat tire on someone else's car on my own, or blunt like pop tire. I've never had anything remotely as aligned as that.

22:16 It was like Ty and I were like we didn't attach, no, literally didn't say anything. I we came out and I saw the flat tire and Ty says I like fuck and he's like I got a spare in the trunk and that was the last thing he said. And the girls just stood to the side and watched us chain this tire in two minutes without any words said and just jacking it up, knowing exactly where to throw a jack and, like you know, take all the legs off and swap it out and uh, we get in the car and like the girls were like that was incredibly hot, like you guys, you guys didn't say anything, you just like did that without having to do.

22:58 Like the fact that you did without having to communicate and argue was unreal. I was like, yeah, that was, we were really good at that that we were really on the same page, and then, for whatever reason, we decided to take the most ass-backward way back to camp, which is the real reason why we were late. But yeah, that drive up Rampart Road was one to remember, yeah it was a good time, it was pretty. Anyways, pat, sorry we were going down memory lane. No, I don't know if there's anything you want to clue into there. No, I like it eagle lake is. I've attended there a couple times as a camper back in the day. It's a special place for me. Yeah, it's fun to talk about, I can picture all the spots and yeah, it's a super cool place and getting to.

23:40 And then also, you know, yeah, had fun summers. I did my like summer stuff was at young life, camps and stuff. But you know, it's nice. That's just full of fun memories and you're young and you really don't have any responsibilities or like really everything's fine in your life. But but then all the um, the cool thing about that is like you're just so present you know, like there's not like a lot again. Other people, people do have stuff going on. Lives are hard things, but for the most part, usually you're just college age, you're here for the summer and this is your whole life. You know, everything's just like in the moment going on and good friendships, good memories. It's where you make lifelong friends, where you sometimes find a lady, yeah, and hang out with them for a long time.

24:25 Um, it was at a young life camp where, um, where I figured out that I liked makes me do yeah, she was um, we had been friends for a while but and she was working at the young life camp on the next mountain over and I had to go do a. Uh, I would get to go over to that camp once a week to. We would take my camp was a family camp and the other camp was a camp for high schoolers. Once a week we'd take families over to the high school camp and while the high schoolers were all gone from camp for the day on the hike, then all the families could play in the pool that day and it was a cool way for families and adults to see, like what a young life camp is and see, see that camp and so.

25:07 But I got to drive the fans over there and take people over there, and so then she was a baker. I'd go see her in the in the old bakery wow, that's so on brand for her. Yeah, I could see her in an apron bacon. She was aproned up just bacon, wow, covered in flour. And I'd go there and excited to see her and we'd write letters back and forth, all summer long. Who initiated? When did you know she was into you? Was it after you made the first move or were you like, oh wait, this chick's into? me. The funny thing is this was the summer. We didn't start dating until October. Okay, you're writing letters to each other. You're flirting here's what I'll say is like all of our friends, even leading up to like why don't you guys date?

25:49 And we're like well, like what are you talking about? I love attention, we don't like each other. Like like I have no idea what you're talking about. Both of us were like I, literally, but you were writing letters to each other, but we did, we, we kind of we uh, which is a cool thing about a relationship, was it really is like, was like founded and rooted in like friendship first, and so then it was just a very strong relationship going forward. But that's when I kind of started realizing like yeah, I think I kind of like this girl and so then, when we got done with summer, came back to school, um then that beginning that fall semester, we officially started dating hell yeah, and I initiated that. But yeah, it was camp, summer camps, college time, it's good good stuff.

26:31 I am so glad that that's how I met my wife. Like to just court a woman in that way, it was a really good it was. It was a you know, it's a lot better than a lot of people meet their spouses and you know college and stuff bonnie and I talk about it every once in a while be like I have no idea how you could date, how you would even date right now, oh yeah yeah, yeah, it'd be crazy. Feel the same way. Um, one thing I do want to say too is just, you know, ty, I think about it a lot in, uh, I think you were with me probably at like the most ghetto, like roughest moments of college, like I genuinely think, like cause Ty, after summer camp, was back in nebraska for a minute before moving out to colorado and our college town, and then he lived in our college town for a little while with some randos and then he moved in with me my, uh, junior year.

27:38 We were roommates my junior year, but the summer before the junior year he moved in and that summer it was just him and I in this townhome or condo and I was working like 70 hours a week because of the commute, and he was working like 70 hours a week because it was construction and we would literally just see each other as, like I'm coming home from a super long security shift, he's just clonked out on the couch. I just wake him up, give him like a beer because he couldn't drink yet. Well, he could, but like he could buy alcohol and I was 21 and I would just like bring home a beer or something and like we drink a beer before we both just go to bed, to do it again the next day.

28:19 And it was just every single fucking day it was on. It was like I would have a thursday off and it was just like that was it. That was my only day off and it was random and it wasn't enough time to turn around, yeah, and there was like some straight up moments where, like ty and I would somehow like we'd find a window to like crush a good like 20 rack outside just in camping chairs in the cul-de-sac, just under street lights, and it was like some, those are some great beers they were good, but like dude, it was like honestly so miserable like it was like it was like misery, not because I was like an alcoholic. It was misery because I was like I have no life, I can't I can't I cannot differentiate any of the days that have occurred in the last 30 days, like they're all the same thing and just mindless, boring.

29:09 And I don't even like what's good. What good is my money? Because I have nothing to spend it on, because I have no free time, and that summer was just like it vaporized. It was surreal it was really weird Just crushing beers and like camel crushes. Yeah was surreal. It was really crushing beers and like camel crushes. Yeah, we did. What was really fun, too, is like I would have friends from high school come up and visit us that summer, just when they because you know they're doing the same thing. They didn't go to college, right, so they drive a visit and there's these horses nearby and I still have pictures and ty actually found this picture. I want to show you, bro, one of my favorite. There's horses named. We called them burt and ernie. Don't know who they were but uh, it became kind of a ritual at one point in the summer to just like after we were drunk, to go there, meander our way over there and just grab, uh, just grab grass wherever we could, because the horses already ate, like the grass over the fence, you know, we would just feed the horses just it was like until 3 am until until one night yeah, my buddy andre was up with us and I mean gosh, he brought a rack of beer.

30:20 I had a rack of beer. I mean, we were, we were drunk as skunks and it was like one of those things where, like, we were drunk and then started sobering up because we were staying up so late, smoking cigs and stuff and just talking, and then we just got like drunk again, like it was like. But there is this picture from that night and while we were feeding these horses gosh, let me find the year. What year was that? That was like 2016. While we were feeding these horses, the like dude who owns the farm came outside and racked a shotgun and fired it off into the air.

31:07 Oh my gosh, and like we were so blitzed that we didn't even jump or like yell, but like we all, we all recall like the gunshot, but it was. We were so drunk that we were just like I guess we go home like we just stopped. But it was, it was, it was surreal to me, uh, that like that was our, our like reaction. Um, but were you riding the horse at this? no, no, no, we were just loud being loud and stuff, and I'm trying to find this picture. Maybe it's uh, I think it's actually my contact picture of no, it's not my contact picture of ty, I can't find it, but it's anyways.

31:49 It's him just putting his hat on the horse's head while petting it, and it's just. The horse is very happy to be there. Um, but we would take everyone. I mean, we would get my mom came up to visit we all drank beers and took my mom over to the horses. It was a great picture. This is me, like you, like, I literally just got off of a shift. I still have my security jacket and headphones on around my neck. I probably still have my gun, but it was so much fun, it was a good time, good memories. But anyways, yeah, there's just like a lot of memories like that. I do remember like very clearly too, when I like oh, here we go. Here's Ty putting a hat on Ernie.

32:33 He's got a cigarette hanging out of his mouth. I'm going to send that hat in forever. Probably left it out that hours that one would surprise me. But anyways, the moment I knew we were actually really going to be friends was the summer of camp. I had a buddy that was a really good friend of mine pass away. You don't find out about it when you're on the mountain. You just find out when you come down. And we came down the mountain and I found out he had drowned in the river tubing one day. Oh no, and it was just like pretty crazy, because I was like everyone only gets like 24 hours off, you know, and you kind of don't want to ruin someone's 24 hours because then they have to go and do a whole nother week of being a counselor and stuff and it's exhausting.

33:15 And I just remember like, uh, I remember we were hanging out and I don't remember exactly what we did, but I just remember like you were really present still, you know, for that whole weekend and I was. I was really, you know, touched by, just like you know. These were all strangers before that summer and they really came around and were looking out for me that that weekend and really considerate, um, and then I remember the weekend of the funeral. It was one of those things where I think, ty, I think you drove me down and dropped me off at my grandparents and then, uh, I had a buddy drive me back up from college. But it was one of those things that, again, that was just like a convenience of, like willingness to, you know kind of help me, you know, make make it to this important event Right and say goodbye to a good buddy.

34:05 But that one of those weekends too, though, ty is down in my neck of my of the woods where my stomping grounds at, and I'm showing him my high school and this hill that I love to sit on and make out with chicks on in high school, and all that and um. For those who those who know? it's called jackass hill. Yeah, do you remember this? Are you talking about the mountain? No, that that hill. Well, while we were there uh, I don't remember I had a I did make the ultimate sacrifice oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead yeah, I mean it just you know, probably you know watching sunset on this big giant hill.

34:49 It's called jackass hill if you've ever been to. It's a beautiful scenic view. Yeah, it was super smoking cigars smoking cigars, and that's probably just what made me had to, you know, go. So I and there's, if you've ever been there, there's no trees, there's no, nothing and I'm like just a hill that goes down into people like rich, wealthy people's backyards, there was one faithful bush that I found. I mean, it's like an arm's reach away from the trail that, like you, just everyone uses and I was just like okay, I guess, and I like wedged myself into this bush and it was just enough cover and I just did the business and left the sock.

35:32 But Mick didn't know that I was gonna be um doing this, so I just like came, I left for a little bit and I remember, like walking back and you're like where's your? Why do you only have one sock? I was gonna say about that memory, though. I remember where they're looking at, all the like foothills, and I was like I think I could, I think I could pull it on this guy, I think I could pull over his wool over his eyes, because to many people who are like coming from the plains, they think every single mountain has a name and a story and there's a reason that mountain has that name and it's called Mount, whatever, right.

36:14 And I remember I I was like, yeah, they all, they all have names. And I just like it already crafted this story in my head and he's like, well, what's the name of that one nick? it's just one for gimmicks. Lives for it, like lives for without it like losing a beat. I was like something like oh, that one's like uh deal gloves. Malin, he was a eastern european immigrant, uh, and it was. He came just on the heels of lewis and clark and and I'm like telling the story of like how they came across and like saw this and like how they oriented to like decide where they're gonna go up in, and it got so steep. You know, I was building up for like five minutes or whatever, just all bullshit, but I was, I was, I was working with it and then I was like it got so steep though that they had to start just tossing dead weight.

37:01 They took out their packs of their wagons and then they just unhitched the wagons and it just kept on getting so steep that that they had to carry their horses on their backs and like there was like a moment of like digestion I saw on his face and then he was like, oh wait, okay, like this is all bullshit, but it was like it was so sweet and do his credit though, like he got me. I think I've told this one before, maybe on the podcast, but we went down the mountain to this burger joint in colorado sprigs. Oh man, this dickhead. Um, he like we're in line ordering our burgers.

37:42 I see this like tin that's open and it looks like freshly baked cookies are in it, but they're in the shape of dog bones and I'm like, okay, well, those are dog treats there, but there was no price thing on them and they're pretty small. So I was like whatever. So I grabbed my drink and I go and sit down and I see Ty walk up to me and he's just got he's like chewing. He's got half of one in his hand. He's just like bro, those are dog treats. He's like no, they're cookies. I'm like what? He's like yeah, no, it's like a sugar stinker doodle thing. Like or are they free?

38:23 He's like, yeah, you should ask him. I'm like all right, so I go. I'm like can I get one of these? And they're like, uh, yeah, and I grab it and I am like I'm walking back to the table and I just see die laughing his ass off, as I'm like just chowing down on this and like it's like when I see him laughing, I immediately know it, like everything connects. Like he was fake, julie, he didn't have anything in his mouth, he just broke it in half. Oh, dude, like I felt so bad. Oh, do you remember that? Were you proud of yourself? Oh man, yeah. That was so good that was so clean. And then I, to make you feel better, I took a bite.

39:04 You did yeah, yeah, yeah. The posterity, but anyways, it's a classic Solidarity. Classic getting the old dog treat maneuver. Yeah, dude, he's so funny. Anyways, ty, welcome to the show. Introduction and history a little bit there for people. Yeah, ty, you were texting me this week, mm-hmm, and, as we usually do, we text back and forth about all the happenings in the news in the world and you're you're asking me my thoughts and questions. I said, well, why don't you just come on the podcast and you can just talk about this with us, excuse me, and we can just have a conversation about anything you want to talk about.

39:48 So no pressure. But you know, pick a topic, come up with something. I haven't late, listened to the latest episode, but if you Pat, can just like fill me in real quick. So I don't want to. No, that's all right, we can even continue to. If we get on stuff we've already talked about, we can keep talking about it too. I mean, and more stuff. I guess has kind of come to light about some things, but we we talked most recently about um that, uh, matthew liver's burger liver is liberals burger. Levels liver's burger. Yeah, what's his name? Liver's Berg, um, and so there, the green Bray who self deleted and blew up outside of the Trump tower.

40:32 Uh, we're talking about that and just like a lot of the weird stuff about it. You know I use Signal for, you know, some chats and stuff and Signal has like your number and you can only change it with like an approval process. That is pretty like when you manually accept and hit yes a couple of times on your phone to change your quote, unquote signal number because it's like a very codified number. Uh, it's, it's like a. It's more complex than just like a phone number. It's. It's like an actual like barcode. You know what I mean um, yeah, I don't know, I've never I'm just saying it's like, it's like a crypt, it's a encrypted code, right, which is why like signals used it for a lot of like just encrypted messaging, and so, post his death, apparently his signal number changed, which a lot of people like well, you would only have access to that if you had his phone and could get into it and unlock it and change it, change it like manually.

41:32 So that was one thing. And then the other thing was a lot of people were like, well, it doesn't look like he shot himself in the head while he was pulling up. But, uh, brandon Hulera recently tested that on his show to see if a camera would put it pick up the muzzle flash of a desert Eagle and which the desert Eagles, the firearm that, uh, liver's Berg used, and the camera doesn't really pick it up in daylight. Um, so it's like, even if he did shoot himself, probably wouldn't have seen it from camera did I mean, I don't even know did they find bullet casing? yeah, there's pictures of the desert eagle kind of melted and it's.

42:13 You know, grip is melted and stuff. Yeah, um, but it is weird because if he here's, the thing it's kind of like a pandora's box maybe not a pandora's box, but like there's a contrarian thing here of like they say the tesla camera recorded him and like they could verify it was him in the vehicle with the Tesla camera and that he didn't, he wasn't a dead body driving up, like someone didn't kill him and then put his body in the car and then send it to the tower. If that's the case, then there's nothing offensive about showing just at least pictures or footage from inside the vehicle before he shoots himself. The fact that they're refusing to release it makes a lot of people think that's a dead body in the car with you know it's.

43:00 We can have bernie's eyelids stapled open or whatever, and that that's what was keeping the vehicle driving forward, because if you like, fall asleep in a tesla, it starts beeping and signaling that it's going to power down and pull over. So it's one of those things like you need to have a person postured with their eyes open and hands on. I think the hands got to be on the wheel. They don't need to be on the wheel, really. I thought there was a sensor that you have to kind of keep touching yeah, every once in a while. It wants you to check in on it, but you can read a book or play on your phone and your Tesla is still going to drive itself just fine, yeah, but anyways, there's a lot of questions still. I don't know if that's what you want to talk about, but that's kind of what we went over in last week's episode.

43:42 That was yeah, and then week after that we had these fires break out. It seems like a number of those there's like an element of arson to them, not all of them, but definitely a bunch. I mean, at one point they had 10 fires, 10 fires going. You want to know what's crazy? Um, what's his name? He's a Senator. Ah shit, he's one of the Senators who's like very anti-government spending and he leans more Rand Paul.

44:24 Senator Rand Paul. Okay, so, senator Rand Paul. Recently this is purely a Mick conspiracy theory, right? Senator Rand Paul recently put on a presentation about how private insurance companies aren't insuring these million dollar houses in California. But the federal government was insuring these homes for these celebrities. Like through some kind of filing act, they could insure their home with the federal government, which was really weird. I don't know what it is, I don't know, I don't understand.

45:06 Like the IRS and like the tax rules there on that, but literally like these were being funded with our tax dollars, these houses were insured. And just what was it? I think three months ago or six months ago in Los Angeles, all these houses lost their coverage for fire insurance, and so 72. Oh, hold on, you keep going. No, hold on, keep going. No, you're good, but it was just one of those things where it seems like a lot of people lost their coverage for, like, their private coverage from insured companies, but they got their coverage via government funding.

45:50 It was too risky for a lot of these people to remain in this, and there's a lot of movement and debate on whether or not they should remain insured by the federal government and so, rather than wait for the federal government to repeal their insurance and then also not have insurance covered in a private market, had the fires burn their house down, collect the government insurance payout, move to austin or wherever connecticut, colorado. And so that's my big thing is like I did hear that, like someone they eventually caught a homeless guy who did start, they think, the first fire or the first couple.

46:33 But then my conspiracy is after that, everything else started becoming a front for insurance fraud, like a lot of other fires were started as a, as an intent of insurance fraud. Hmm, I, that that's my I, I, I will bet my own house that people burnt their own buildings down to some degree. Not everyone, right? I'm not talking like the general family, right? Who who loves their home and wants to some degree? Not everyone, right, I'm not talking like the general family, right, who loves their home and wants to stay there and like this is the home they grew up in, but people who either had businesses that were underperforming I mean, it's no secret that LA has had one of the worst economies post-COVID just like New York, businesses were pulling out because of how much they were losing money from looting, because of how much they were losing money from looting, and so I don't really think it's that hard to imagine.

47:20 Some people started some other fires to burn things down and collect an insurance, just like they did with the Chicago fires. The Chicago fires was one of the greatest incidents of fire fraud ever in American history. Don't get me wrong. The Chicago fires were also one of the greatest fire devastations, natural disasters, we've ever had in this country. But it was like, without a doubt, they had found they found cases of the Chicago fire where fires were started for the sake of collecting in on the fires, damage and like a good cover up of insurance fraud and a good cover-up of insurance fraud. I mean, yeah, I'm sure people would have that idea to hop in on it potentially and make it happen.

48:05 I don't know, and there were some people talking about if it was terrorist attacks and things like that. Or it was the blue laser. The blue laser that got Maui yeah. And lots of credible sources said that you know it wasn't that maybe eco, eco terrorist type stuff you know like could have been setting, setting fires of things. Um yeah, because there was a lot of fires going on at one time and it is, I guess I don't know like when is fire season in california? Is it normally, is it? Like it's all year, just all the time. You know there's not a wet season really, but you know it hasn't has been a drought for so long.

48:47 But well, I think one of the things that's happened that is true for like a lot of places that have experienced these wildfires that just like burn crazy is that, like two years ago they experienced a lot of rain so a lot of vegetation grew. Last year it was super dry and so kind of like this time around there was a lot more fuel to burn, but it wasn't mitigated. Why it wasn't mitigated? I mean that's another mitigated, I mean that's another conversation. But I don't know. Let me say this adding on to it Not only did the federal government cut funding to the states for preventative fire maintenance, like brush clearing.

49:30 California started also outlawing that as work for prison crews, without special exception and natural disaster clauses. That just got voted on. Yeah, yeah, and don't get me wrong, there are some quote unquote prisoner fire crews out there right now that are like legit, doing everything they can to help battle these fires, right, so props to them. Um, they're not like firefighters as much as they are like helping with the supply chain aspect of firefighting and things like that. But then the other part is Gavin Newsom cut over $100 million of funding to LAPD specifically Not LAPD, lafd. That was specifically for the maintenance and clearing of hotspot like debris.

50:16 You know, the maintenance and clearing of a hot spot like debris, um, and I mean so, like all that is is like I see that and I'm like that could be just awful government negligence. That also could just very likely be like, uh, hey, let's cash in on this freaking cow before it gets repealed, you know. I mean like what's one of the number one things the federal government and our representatives did right before the covid lockdowns got announced. I mean, ty and I were roommates at the time you got, do you not remember? I don't remember. You have to remind me they sold all their freaking stocks like 24 hours in advance, when they knew the like 24 hours before it was announced of the lockdown and the stock market crashed like it's one of those things like they're gonna.

51:05 If they know something's gonna get removed or taken out, taken away out of their hands, they're for sure gonna be able to move on that. That's, yeah, kind of how I look at State Farm. That canceled something like 1600 policies or whatever in the Palisades. Yeah, I feel like I don't know, maybe they had realized that this is way too risky for us to cover and we don't have the cash to cover this if something were to go wrong. Yeah, so we're going to cancel, which is crazy. You think you're like, you like pay into that insurance or how many years and whatever the cost is, and then, like you don't get a refund and they're just like yeah, no, like just can't, you can't, you don't have insurance anymore, which is kind is like nope, too likely to flood, maybe don't live in the flood zone.

52:05 You know what I mean. It's kind of like it's a litmus test for, like how safe is it really to live here? Anyways, I don't know, I have those kind of opinions around it. I also like think again, it's pretty crazy, like the rioting and looting not writing, but the looting that's begun, um, as, like the danger slowly come down and people are like literally being, you know, they see people running in from house to house and just grabbing whatever they can and leaving with, because that's the thing is like when you evacuate for fire, you're pretty much not taking anything with you other than clothes Most of the time you know, maybe you're getting like the most expensive possessions that are like you know.

52:51 You like jewelry or a firearm, or and or and. you're just not even expensive stuff. You're just going to be like stuff that's special to you, sure, yeah. But, dude, I mean it's crazy right now how many people are having their homes looted and the police are out there and being told you need to get out there and protect these homes. But a lot of people also have been having comments about that because they're not protecting the more poor parts of LA that were damaged, because it's not just the Palisades Now. A lot of people think this is still like just burning in, like uppity very wealthy LA this is. This is scorched a ton of LA and the the more middle and lower class economy has been scorched pretty hard too.

53:37 The police are not patrolling that as well or as thoroughly as they are the more wealthy neighborhoods to prevent looting. So yeah, Go ahead, yeah. And then there's also there's looters who are also starting more fires as they go yeah Well, they've caught a couple already. Yeah yeah, they catch people who start more fires as they go, as they go yeah Well, they've caught a couple already. Yeah, yeah, they would catch people who are starting more fires as they go, as they loot, yeah. But you know, I don't know. We wish them well. I feel bad for folks. I can't imagine losing my stuff in a home fire right now. I do. I feel bad for people and I just it's hard for me to have any sympathy for anything bad that happens in California.

54:20 Yeah. Just from years of mismanagement, misgovernment, I don't know, I'm just like. When your fire department's commercial says, if I have to come in and pull you out of a fire, you should be asking yourself how you ended up there. It's a tough. Look, yeah, dude. Yeah, it's a tough look, I'm like bro. That's unreal to me, but I heard recently Billie Jean told me this because she has a friend whose husband is a firefighter in Colorado Springs. Colorado Springs I'm throwing shade CS FD, catch these hands. They don't have to pass the pick up a buddy and carry them out test anymore to become a firefighter for Sea Springs.

55:06 Really, yeah, that's insane, that's crazy. This dude was like. It is an absolute obscene violation to all of us who have put our blood, sweat and tears into training for this, and now you don't even have to pass the body. Carry the buddy carry. Here's the thing. People don't get it. It's like people see these stupid ads that are circling online and like, yeah, I think it's right to criticize them. That are like circling, circling online and like, yeah, I think it's right to criticize them. But they see him where this like christine, whatever lady who looks honestly like, uh, george lopez's neighbor from the george lopez show this is like the mayor of la or something no she's. She was like one of the fire department chiefs but I thought she was a trans dude like I was really shocked that it was a legit a woman.

55:51 But someone asked her, like do you think you'd be able to carry a man out of a burning building in the commercial? And she was like, if I like, why should I have to carry your husband out? He shouldn't be there in the first place, or something like that. Right and it's like this whole deflection of like it's the victim's fault for the fire or whatever, and like a lot of people have in their mind that like, oh, fires only happen to. Like fat, obese, negligent people who have it coming because of the life, the way they live their lives, but like, at the same time, you can't think that way and then feel sympathy for all these people who just lost their houses to natural disasters or have the double standard of being like if you're a fat slob and can't take care of yourself and you have mental health issues.

56:35 Um you don't deserve to get pulled out, you should stay in the fire but if you're a fat slob with mental health issues, you should be a firefighter. That's the double standard, or just like yes, I am in the wrong place. My house is on fire. I don't know what to tell you yeah, like I'm, it's also not my fault, it's also fell on me, can you? help or not, is that? but you're just gonna gaslight me while I am on fire now part of that training that a lot of people don't get is like most of the time when firefighters are in a structure uh, at least this is what, from what I understand a lot of it is to assess if the structure can be saved and if everyone's out. Most of the time, though, if they're carrying someone out, it's another firefighter that's what I've heard majority of the time it's another firefighter who's had a malfunction helping your buddy get out and so it's like if you're fat and out of shape and you can't carry the victim out of the fire, you're a detriment to every firefighter on your team because you can't carry them out and another 100 pounds worth of gear, um, and I dude, it was making me pull my.

57:40 I was losing my mind, I was so irate, uh, and I think it's one of those things where, like, I wouldn't be nearly as mad if there wasn't, like legit firefighters who were even more pissed and seeing, like and seeing this stuff, like the fact that like I. I know people who are like you have. You have no idea how mad I am and like having someone who's like, earned these stripes and knows what it's like to have to carry a you know, 250 pound person off in a fire. Like the fact that now you don't need to do that to be able to pass and get on a team is like there's no excuse for it, for sure, and the bigger and and there's and I've LA firefighters are getting catching a lot of flack right now, and I'm sure there's a lot of them who are really good firefighters too and but the the failure comes down to the leadership.

58:31 So much more on like the and the fact that if you have the mentality and the leadership to say, okay, we're going to hire these people for this reason, that reason, besides their actual skill and ability, um and um, to be able to be a good firefighter If you have that type of mentality and leadership, it's also the type of leadership that's you know put funding in the wrong places. Hasn't so the type of leadership that's you know put funding in the wrong places. Hasn't planned for, gotten equipment ready? And, like we talked about last week I think it was last week on the podcast, we were talking about how they shipped off a lot of equipment to Ukraine, got rid of a lot of their stuff. I still don't know if that's 100% true, but that is the rumor. Right, and so, yeah, it's a yeah and, and on an individual firefighter basis.

59:17 Not a lot you can do to a 23 000 acre fire at this point. But it's like that, that mindset that the leadership has, that is like been so detrimental to, like, the um, their response to it and uh, I don't, I don't know. I haven't had to fight a fire that big, so I don't know. But also I haven't been in charge of millions and millions of people's homes as a fire chief, or you know, like I don't, I don't know yeah, no, dude, I I just remember like I don't know I didn't, I did not, I'm not saying at all I did anything nearly as extensive or intense as fighting fires or the training for that. It's from everything I've seen.

59:58 It's insanely physically intensive. But I remember one of the things that was like a very stressful and source of anxiety for me was when I was in the training for the sheriff department to be a deputy in the jail. The training is a little bit different than like street and patrol training just because you don't have a firearm and your backup is a lot closer. So the way you train for like a conflict and like getting into a fight is one of those things of like. So the way you train for like a conflict and like getting into a fight is one of those things of like. And make sure one, your computer that can unlock the doors to your pod, make sure that is secured and locked away and if you can't get in it, just make sure it's locked behind you.

1:00:50 And then the other one was hit that radio and there's a button you can press that will do the emergency call if you can't like talk, and hit that because you have, you know, anywhere from two to 10 deputies that are just like, at most, 30 seconds away. And the last thing this is the thing that was a source of so much anxiety and stress was you got to just fight like hell. You just got to fight and fight, and fight and fight and not give up. And you got to be ready and conditioned to fight for you know, 10 minutes, whatever it's going to be. And that was one of our like final tests that we had to pass and like they tell you about it the whole time.

1:01:32 You're training and in like the academy and it's just this thing at the end, where you have one of you know it's either one of the instructors or another one of your classmates who's just like holding up the red man cushion and you're just wailing on it, doing strikes, having to yell commands the whole time, and then a line of the instructors are coming towards you with like baseball bats, knives, and are coming towards you and you're being yelled like what technique you need to do, and so like you're in the midst of just swinging, swinging and going and going, and like they literally will fail you if you gas out and your punches are just like half ass and they also will fail you if your techniques are incorrect for dealing with, you know, knives or bats and things like that.

1:02:22 And they failed people like they. There was people who were with us up until that and they just could not. They didn't have enough gas in the tank and it was one of those really weird things where I felt bad because I I like some of those people, but then you also recognize it's like dude, if they, if they ain't got it in them right now, they're not gonna have it in them and they're gonna be a liability because as soon as, as soon as you stop fighting like that's, you know your taser is gone, your cuffs are gone and you're probably dead, you're probably getting your head clomped in and it's just one of those things that was like pretty surreal and I remember like huge point of anxiety. And if they, if I found out that wasn't any more in the like in the testing to be a deputy, I'd be irate dude, I'd be so pissed because that's also something that we like busted our ass and trained non-stop for.

1:03:12 So yeah, it's a slipping the standards down. It's not good, not good. We've seen that everywhere. I think I wonder about if our military standards are gonna kick back back up here with a couple couple people uh yeah ceasefire I wonder if that would only yeah, I don't. I wonder if that only happened of the you know, would you call it enrollment? Yeah, recruitment Recruitment went up. Yeah, and I don't know if that's you know, I don't really think that's going up. We'll see. Yeah, I don't know. I know a lot of guys who are like, if we do boots on the ground in Ukraine, then yeah, I'm going back in. I know also Wow. I also know a ton of other guys who are like For real.

1:03:55 You know, guys, that would be like sign me up. They were already in the ETS, but they said if we went into boots on the ground, conflict again and that's because they didn't have any action their whole time To get killed by a $300 drone. I know right. I know more guys, too, though, who are. I know more guys, too, though, who are like you couldn't. No amount of money will ever get me to put those boots back on. It's true, but at the same time I mean, what does it take to do military recruitment? Really just cool commercials, A pull-up bar in a high school. Exactly, yeah, for real.

1:04:36 They almost got it. They almost got a lot of us. Oh yeah, no kidding yeah. I think all three of us here we're pretty close to that brainwash. No, definitely. So I think you know, I think we'll see some military standards go back up and even, honestly, we'll see. There's been a lot of talk around leadership and stuff changing and who's doing to do what, and we'll see if any of them are just a bunch of politicians or if they actually you know, back up all the things they've said they're going to do, but like, uh, even if your recruitment continued to go down but you hired to raise the standard, you're at least going to have people you want there. Yeah, a little more yeah, the one thing that I like can see as a potential like conflict that would get recruiting up and stuff like that is, and we've been.

1:05:27 You know there's been talks about like when's it gonna happen? Not just if is the like china going after taiwan? And I I genuinely think that, like because of how much we have invested there and how the us tech economy is so reliant on, you know, the semiconductors coming out of taiwan, that it would be. I think it'd be one of those. It's like. It's like the new oil man, silicone is the new oil. Yeah yeah so I could see us getting involved in something like that, like not just from a third party point of view yeah, I wonder, you know, you think there'd be like a lot of you know boots on the ground in taiwan.

1:06:14 I think there'd be sailors and I think there'd be. I think it. I mean, honestly, I I don't know. My guess is that it would be predominantly a lot of naval stuff, a lot of cyber stuff, of trying to essentially limit the enemy's technology, to see your fleet versus their fleet, limit your aircraft from functioning. I genuinely think, like if we went to war with china in an open sea environment and we had our aircraft rolling off carriers, there would be like straight up, like swarms of birds that are, you know, just drones, like just flocks of drones. Have you seen those? Yeah, but that's what I'm saying like they could just deploy them, launch them from you know, some kind of like stacked sub tube or launch them off of another ship and have them just be interference and make it a pain in the ass to be a fighter pilot or a reconnaissance pilot.

1:07:08 Um, and I think boots on the ground would look a lot like it. I think it'd look a lot like iwo jima, like once you're on the one, once you're on ground, on land, it's like hold this, take this island, push it. And then it's like all right, push it up to the next island. And it's, by the way, you're not getting reinforcements until we can get our ships close enough without getting them blasted because china's got the second biggest navy, uh, outside of america, yeah, yeah, they've got a major navy, they've built up these last 20 years big, big time, and I the I think, and I think things like that wouldn't necessarily lead to even if they don't become a boots on the ground situation, more people sign up, um, and to the recruitment thing too.

1:07:53 I think that I I would wonder to see if they, if the military, came out and said we're raising the bar everywhere, we've gotten rid of all these people that have been kind of wrecking stuff and we don't think you have what it takes to come join us, I think a lot of guys would actually come sign up dude, I don't think this now like 18 to 25 year olds that are doing tiktok dances or whatever. I don't think this now like 18 to 25 year olds that are doing tiktok dances or whatever. I don't think they're like interested in that there's a lot of those guys, but there's just like the main. It is true, there's like a. There is a generational cultural like you're gonna get the dude from the midwest that, like you, would never have to convince. That's what I'm saying like the type of guys who that's, the the's.

1:08:34 One of the main problems with recruiting has been, though, that that group has stopped Like that. We're losing the Tylers. We're losing the Tylers, we're losing Trevors. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Kyle's not enlisting anymore All the guys. Who was? was it on the show? We were talking about Missouri being one of the main? I don't think so, but like, like, like you know, I was talking with my buddy about it. You know just the fact that, like they're like, missouri is, like been of, it's not a very populated state compared to, like you know, other big ones. Like it has been a key like recruitment ground for years and years and years and nobody's signing up. That's crazy. And not because, and less so because of like being, um, you know, a vanilla tiktok kid, more so, just because they're like I'm not gonna go, like I'm not gonna go join a forced vaccination group led by, like the rainbow flag of freedom.

1:09:27 You know, like I'm, like I'm not doing, it's like the, you at least have to kind of fix that part. You at least have to fix that part to get your recruitment back up first, before you can also then like have a shift in like the other guys who they're not joining anyways yeah I do go ahead. uh, I'm just thinking of the shane gillis bit of the paw patrol, oh yeah, or what was the? Anyways, my, I get a little worried that, like you know, I don't, I don't know if there would be like this, like there's already, this big buildup, you know, to China taking Taiwan. It's probably going to happen, but I feel like if we were to like make a move with our Navy towards Taiwan, then, like you know, a little bit of her power grid goes down.

1:10:20 That kind of stuff happens. That's what I get worried about yeah, cyber warfare. Yeah, we get like halfway to Taiwan and then it's just like another. Another forest fire gets started, brother. Yeah, it could be. I mean, I do think back to the recruiting thing, though. It just came out recently that gen z is the poorest generation of americans for their like age demographic. Uh, in, like american history, outside of like the great depression, like the last time people in the age range of like what is it right now, like 18 to 26, I think, um, the last time they had as little buying power was that age group during the great depression, um, and so I do think, like one military just did approve a raise for enlisted personnel from E1 to E4.

1:11:18 And so it's one of those things where, like I do think, as Gen Z has to pay their bills and they're not finding themselves they're also they're more technically illiterate, like they are less capable of using a computer for work than the boomers, the boomer generation right now, those of them still in the workforce have higher technical literacy than gen z, and so it's one of those things like they don't have skills to make, like to earn high paying jobs, and with that, a lot of them, I think, will find themselves like free room and board food, like and I get you know some money to spend, like, and I, you know the likelihood I'm going to fight in a war is pretty low.

1:12:02 Okay. So I could see like enlistment kicking up again once. They kind of have like a come to Jesus moment where they're like I got to pay for my stuff, but we'll, I don't know. That's um, but well, I don't know, that's kind of I could see that happening, right, yeah, but anyways, that's uh, yeah, that's a crazy one to think of. I think of like somebody like I'm addicted to my phone and to like get thrown into boot camp. Oh man, dude like I would just be well, but it's already like. There's so many like. Yeah, have you seen the videos of, like, military influencers?

1:12:42 Yeah, that's just, I don't know. Yeah, I'm not saying it's wrong, but it's. It's weird yeah, it is, it is. It is interesting the the way the military needs to kind of like catch up, to be like quote unquote, culturally relevant with the next generation and like what works, recruiting them versus doesn't. Was a part of the army psyops uh department and she ran a tiktok account, an instagram account of just her and using nods and on a tank and stuff, and I do think that probably worked to some degree just a thirst trap to get the bros.

1:13:28 Get the bros enrolled. Have you ever seen this? Uh, I mean maybe scrolling down. She's like I don't know, she's like she she, she's she's attractive she's attractive, but like it's like she's attractive and doing all this military stuff that looks like it's reserved for special forces, uh, or you know, special units and it's the d I kind of like really, but like that's the stuff that, like you know, I think snags like a lot of young dudes who are just like like oh, she's in there. Yeah, like e-girl yeah, she's an e-girl bro yeah, but she has a m4 and sits on a tank I think she's out now.

1:14:13 I don't know if she's still in the military or not. I don't even know if she's ever even. She wasn't. Like bonafide psyop though. Yeah, nice, for sure, we all sniffed her out. Can you imagine? getting in and be like dude. Why'd you sign up? To serve my country? Why'd you sign up? Well, I wanted to get some benefits that would help my family. Why'd you sign up? Well, I wanted to get some benefits. That would help my family. Why'd you sign up, bro? I actually I need billy jean to send me this. This is a good thing to end the podcast on, actually. So billy jean is a part of this like dog facebook facebook group. Oh yeah, not a sap, um. But so there's this dog that got posted and it's half border collie, half like English bulldog, hmm, and it's kind of a weird looking dog, like it's got a short coat but border collie colors and it's got like more of that like sheep dog body with like a weirdish bulldog terrier face.

1:15:15 Sheepdog body with like a weirdish bulldog terrier face. And she's like you got to see this. She shows it to me. I'm like, wow, that's crazy. Like a bulldog got real lucky finding like a like female border collie and she's like no opposite. I'm like what she shows me? This picture of this beautiful, beautiful, just handsome as hell border collie, like just the most, like like picturesque. Oh, that's like that is what a border collie should be like. That's, that's your sheep dog that you want. And then this ugly wrinkled like saggy eyed. Saggy eyed, like saggy dog, nipples, bulldog, just it was like faces all I'd like.

1:16:01 I'm just like oh man, did that border collie not have some post nut clarity of like? what have I? done. What have I done? Like I was like that's the best example of like why you need to really think with your head. Like because I just got that dog. Yeah, well, I told her about that. I'm like there's so many guys who just get in trouble because they don't they think with their wiener for a moment and then right immediately afterwards they're like what, what did I do? And I think that's like how probably a good amount of guys feel in the military, because they like see one hot chick in the military and then they're like, oh okay, all right, I'll, I'll sign up and sign my life away. And then they're like what, what did I just do with my wife? So, anyways, it's a powerful thing, but use your, use your, use your brain in your head.

1:16:46 Do you think we could see um? You know like drones that would have like pin. You know like pin up girls, but it's like e-girls on the sides, oh yeah, dude. I you know with like the cat. Have you seen Darwin's war? on YouTube. No, it's like my go-to drone video that I referenced. It's this dude with, like crucifix, earworm, ear wings, ear wings, ear wing. God, I can't say the the word earrings. Are you smelling toast right now? Yeah, like burn rubber, um. But he's got like these, you know, crazy piercings and his hair is kind of like it's it's crew cut, but it's also kind of like out of crew cut mohawk mullet, yeah, kind of just like you know it's like cyberpunk, punk rock, like is his whole vibe and he just sits in this like van reclined, chair down in some underground dugout hole in ukraine, oh, throws on his goggles, while his buddy's also piloting the other drone to tell him where to pilot, like the strike drones, and it looks like the most like I don't know.

1:17:54 It's so surreal because it looks like it's just stripping his vape. Yeah, yeah, he's ripping his vape and just blowing homies up, he got an award for like 240. Something kills holy smokes confirmed kills. That's unreal. And like I see that I'm like I know for a fact that like they have to be detailing their drones out with, like you know that they have to be detailing their drones out with, like you know, seek-a-bliat, or like cat ears on them, and like there's no way they're not like tricking out their drones out of boredom, because once you do it a dozen times and you're building your 13th drone, you're like, yeah, but what if I like draw a like, oh my gosh, face on it.

1:18:37 Like you know what I mean and like you're just some poor dude climbing a cell tower trying to change a light bulb or whatever have you seen that video? No, yeah there was I can't remember if it was you know russians climbing a russian cell tower or radio tower or whatever, or if it was you know, the ukrainians, but anyways, this is a video of a drone that just attacked these two poor bastards that were just trying to change a light bulb or whatever, and uh, yeah, I mean it wasn't like they just came in. I mean, they hovered around them, you know, and they're trying to climb down the ladder as fast as they can it's some nightmare bro, cat and mouse and among the. There's two choices sit here and take it, or what are you gonna take?

1:19:18 Jump? header yeah, take the peaceful header yeah, probably, that's probably what I do in that scenario. I mean, people survive falling out of airplanes. You can survive a fall off the tower no, did I point my head on purpose I'm going for like the like, take my last bit of agency control. Have you seen the crazy drone that like got you midair? that'd be have you seen the one tie where it's the two korean guys in ukraine, the two north korean guys? are they fapping in a ditch? no dude, it was these two north korean guys like huffing it through snow and um this drone like identifies them and starts coming down and they are trying to get their rifles up to aim at it.

1:20:02 Oh, it shoots the other one, yeah, yeah. And it goes between them and the guy shoots his buddy and then it circles around that dude and then flies in and detonates on him. I'm like play with your food, much Damn bro. That was bad. Yeah, that was, I saw, that I saw, did you see? the knife fight one. Yeah, and that was the most unreal footage I've ever seen with a drone no, this is just like a like a chest mounted gopro of a ukrainian soldier. Yeah, it wasn't in the trench, it was like, just yeah, one dude left of this, of his team in ukraine, or he. He was either the last one left or one of two. Have you not watched it, pat? Oh my gosh. It's like the most insane thing I've ever seen in my life.

1:20:44 I mean, I kid you not, there's no other war footage I've ever seen that has made me feel so visceral. It's like you know the same thing Saving Private Ryan, yeah it's the Saving Private Ryan scene of. It's the saving private Ryan scene of like fighting over the knife, but just like in real life, he's fighting this Russian dude and they're like taking shots at each other. And then he pulls a grenade and throws it through the window of this shed, it goes off and then he goes around the corner and the Russian dude's coming out like covered in blood and they've already clearly shot each other, like once or twice. But then they start grappling because neither of them have a sidearm and both of their primaries are like hanging by their sides, and so they're grappling and they all each are like pulling for their knives and trying to stick each other. And it goes to the ground game and the Ukrainian's on his back and the Russian's on top of him and they're fighting over what seems like just the one knife.

1:21:32 And there's points in time where the Ukrainian's hand comes into camera and the Russian he's a Russian from like, he's a Mongol, like he's Asian, you know and he's biting this dude's hand, like and there's blood coming off of it and he's biting it to try to get him to drop the knife. And people have translated the video and it ends with the Ukrainian like you've cut me open everywhere. You're the best fighter. I've ever fought like just leave me in peace to bleed out. And the Russian stands up and he's like goodbye, brother. And they say goodbye to each other. And the Russian walks off. And as he's walking off, he pulls a grenade and the Ukrainian's like no.

1:22:15 And as he's walking off, he pulls a grenade and the ukrainians last was like no, just leave me. And of course he like you can't, you can't leave someone behind you, like that he couldn't pick up his rifle or whatever, and so he tosses a grenade and blows him up and it's like it was unreal, like, and the fact that it's captured on video out there now is it's one of the most surreal things I've ever seen and, like a lot of people, like this is crazy because it just shows you like what fighting was the majority of human history yeah, just hand to hand, tooth and nail with a pointy thing the one thing that just blew me away was just like two dudes speaking the same language, probably from mean, maybe from different geographical areas.

1:22:55 But like I don't know, man, that part, just that part, was crazy. Yep, and that's where I think the to the military conversation we had about recruitment, and then also, like you know, where how drones have like been been incapacitating aircraft, things like that, where, no matter how far along we come technologically and we'll keep advancing and keep being able to do crazy different attacks through just shutting down a grid or flying a drone wherever you want, but war will always be two young guys fighting like that.

1:23:37 That's like the. That is like no matter how far along we come. That's what that thing is. It's always what it boils down to in the end. Well, hey, on that note, thanks for joining us, kid Ty, thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I hope you enjoyed man. Yeah, this was a lot of fun. Welcome back whenever, really, we're open-door policy to our guests, so, but, yeah, we appreciate you all listening, appreciate all of our new listeners. Please like and review, leave a comment, subscribe all that stuff, whatever you're listening to, whether it's Spotify, apple, uh, do whatever you can to kind of stoke that algorithm for us, Uh, cause, of course, we talk about things on here that, uh, youtube is not a big fan of and it's hard to promote the show and advertise it.

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