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Send us a text The assassination of Charlie Kirk marks a dark moment in American political discourse, where words were met with bullets rather than debate. In this raw, emotional episode recorded just hours after the shooting, we process our shock and grief while examining the disturbing implications for free speech and democracy. The tragedy at Utah Valley University wasn't just the murder of a conservative commentator – it represents an attack on the very foundation of how we resolve diffe...
The assassination of Charlie Kirk marks a dark moment in American political discourse, where words were met with bullets rather than debate. In this raw, emotional episode recorded just hours after the shooting, we process our shock and grief while examining the disturbing implications for free speech and democracy.
The tragedy at Utah Valley University wasn't just the murder of a conservative commentator – it represents an attack on the very foundation of how we resolve differences in a democratic society. We analyze the available footage showing the shooter positioned on a nearby rooftop, discuss eyewitness accounts, and express concern over the manhunt for the perpetrator who remained at large when we recorded.
What makes this event particularly troubling is the immediate polarized response. While many Americans from across the political spectrum condemned the violence, social media revealed disturbing celebrations of Kirk's death. We wrestle with the moral implications of such reactions and what they say about our collective humanity. "They killed the dude who was always against violence as a means of resolving disagreements."
In these divided times, we must remember that political differences, however passionate, cannot justify violence. As we close with reflections on faith and legacy, we're reminded of Kirk's own words about how he wished to be remembered – for the courage of his convictions and his faith. Join us for this somber but necessary conversation about where we go from here.
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01:38 - Breaking News of Charlie Kirk's Assassination
05:03 - Reflections on Kirk's Character and Impact
10:53 - The Shocking Reality of Political Violence
20:43 - Video Evidence and Crime Scene Analysis
38:27 - Social Media Reactions and Polarization
52:05 - The Dangers of Escalating Political Tensions
01:11:05 - Faith, Legacy, and Moving Forward
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this is a dude.
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I watch um called meet kevin and uh, he mostly follows and goes over like stocks and all that stuff.
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But he was the first person I saw who had this footage playing back over and it showed essentially and he did this so fast too, with the Trump like assassination attempt shooter and like where he would have had to been positioned and like the range.
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He's the first channel I saw that posted this video from inside of the building that was behind Charlie Kirk and you can see out the windows as the camera's panning and they're looking at the crowd run away.
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You can see this guy on this roof running, or a girl, I don't know who.
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It is right, but there's also he's got footage of students recording a guy who hopped on the roof and ran over before the shooting happened.
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So, anyways, it's a super somber evening that we're doing this recording.
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We just found out that Charlie Kirk has been assassinated.
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He was killed and he was shot while speaking at an event at Utah Valley University at around like 12, 10 pm today.
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It's a pretty horrible thing.
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I don't think I have much.
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I don't think I have much like.
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I'm honestly at a loss for words because this is something that is so, I guess, feels personal and that you know I didn't necessarily agree with Charlie Kirk on everything.
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I didn't necessarily always approve of his approach or his perspective, but I always thought that he was like a morally good dude.
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I always thought like his basis for his arguments was in like moral righteousness and moral reasoning and ultimately based in scripture and um.
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You know, I never saw him really cuss out anyone.
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I saw him, you know, get intense and heated and I think there's times where I thought he was insulting and, you know, could like kind of damaged his um stance or uh argument when debating people.
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But overall I always thought like he had a much better moral foundation than like stephen crowder, right, who did very similar stuff, right of like changed my mind um and uh.
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I also really appreciate that charlie kirk didn't ever leave any alluding to like why he had those views and it was always rooted in like his, his christian faith, um, and he was a dude who, you know, finished the finished the race dude.
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Like there's no scandals that came about him about beating his wife or having an affair or how he, you know, was a weird perv and groped a bunch of people when he was in college or whatever, right you know, like there's nothing that ever came out that was really bad press about the dude.
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Just people hated what he had to say, people hated that his opinion on things didn't align with theirs and it was inflammatory and contradictory, and that he wasn't afraid to speak his mind and what he believed.
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And you know, he was a very staunch advocate for, uh, the nuclear family and the return to Judeo-Christian values as a priority for, like the nation.
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I don't think he, I don't think he believed that we had to have a Christian government, but I do believe, from like what I saw in stuff for his arguments, that he wanted, uh, the, the morality of judeo-christian values to return, such as, like you know, a society that values chastity, a society that values, you know, um, being celibate, being chivalrous, a society that, like, values women in women's roles, men in men's roles, a society that abhorred abortion, and all that is super inflammatory today and I understand how it can be offensive.
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I watched a lot of his stuff and I did not necessarily really like the guy, um, in the way of like, oh yeah, chart, like charlie kirk, he's, he's the man, dude, he knows it all and he's, he's always, uh, you know, speaking what I think.
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More after than that, I was like, yeah, I kind of, I think he's, I think he's more really sound in his argument.
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I just wish he would be a little less aggressive, maybe, and I also wish that he wouldn't allow himself to kind of get baited into like back and forth insults with someone, but you know who doesn't do that on both sides, right?
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So, anyways, all that said, it was really saddening to me when I saw him, uh, assassinated today and you know, pat and I, uh we were talking about before we started recording and how that video, even though I've seen tons of videos and photos of, and I've seen real dead people in real life and I've seen people, seen people well past death decaying and I've seen people go from life to death and, um, man, there was just something about seeing him get shot mid you know speaking point and how you knew it was over so fast.
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Um, and uh, dude, I think it was so unsettling because it was one of those things where, like I've, I think we've gotten so comfortable though the forum of like, yeah, this is how it works in america, like people get inflammatory about things, people get upset, they try to interrupt, they try to be rude, they, you know, they mob up on a campus and they, you know, break shit and start fires.
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But they're not going around shooting people in the face for speaking, for for speaking just things they don't like to hear.
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But like and charlie kirk never was the one that threatened violence, he was always the one who said, like, we're not going to resort to violence and he he was never the dude who was like he.
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Never even he spoke Right.
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He shared his opinions and his beliefs and backed him up with arguments, but never was an argument like OK, well, then I guess we'll kill you.
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Or OK like, well, if you can't see reasoning, then I guess we'll just, you know, remove you from society and kill you.
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Like.
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He never used threat, even of threatened violence or alluded to violence, and so for someone to think that what he said was justification for murder and to kill him is insanity and I was saying offline, but I think I'm fine with saying it here and I don't really care how people feel about it.
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I really do do feel like this is the equivalent to seeing our like generations, you know exercise of freedom of speech being gunned down, and I do think it will have the same amount of maybe not like a holiday and stuff, but I do think it could potentially have the same level of catalyzm for how our government goes forward and how people go forward as like mlk and I do think like mlk jr and his assassination, while I do believe mlk was like a larger figure and a figure that was um less uh, divisive in review than Charlie Kirk, maybe I truly do think, like because of how connected the world is now and how hundreds of thousands of people saw Charlie Kirk die before media could censor it and twist it to whatever narrative they wanted, and like people saw the raw footage of him dying and being gunned down and got to make their informally their own reactions to it, before anyone could be told like, hey, this is how you should feel about this.
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And the fact that it is indisputably clear that it wasn't him being shot, right after saying, and we should round up all the people who didn't vote for Trump and kill them, or we should just put all the immigrants in gas camps.
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It wasn't anything remotely inflammatory.
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And he dies, he's murdered.
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I do think that will have the historical catalyzm for our generation.
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The same way, seeing those other you know people before and previous generations be murdered for exercising free speech, I don't know man.
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I don't know how you can think this is a good thing.
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And there's people dancing and crying tears of joy that he's been murdered and they're doing it very obviously and blatantly on social media.
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Uh, so many people celebrating that he's been murdered and shot and gunned down and everyone justifying it that like he was inciting violence against them and that he was a mouthpiece for violence.
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And I just don't.
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I don't know what's next.
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I don't know what's next and I certainly do not want it to be tit for tat.
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I certainly do not want a normalization of assassinations.
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Just because we don't like what people have to say, don't like what people have to say, um, but man, they killed.
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They killed the dude who was always against violence as a means of resolving disagreements and he was really honestly the rights, like main man on stage.
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For, hey, we may disagree and we may have fundamentally, we may have fundamentally different perspectives, but I don't think it's okay for me to hurt you or kill you, um, just because we disagree, just like I don't think it's okay for you to hurt me or kill me because we disagree.
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And then they shot and killed that guy.
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So what's next?
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Like, what does that say to everyone else who was waiting patiently, like, who was like, all right, we're not going to get involved unless they throw the first stone and, dude, it's thrown, man, and I don't know how there's not going to be retaliatory stuff.
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I don't know how there's not going to be reactionary things, um, I pray to god, there isn't any, and I certainly don't condone any, but I just, man, I saw it and I was just like, how do we win from this?
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How do we resolve this?
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So, anyways, everyone that is, if you're listening to this and you're like, who is Charlie Kirk, I ask you to make sure you look up and read stuff online, but do not watch any videos.
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If there's videos or anything like that, don't watch them, because even some news outlets have been getting, uh, dangerously close to exposing people to very, very graphic content.
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Like the videos have not been censored.
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Well, yeah, I will say that for sure, like as someone who saw the raw footage first and was traumatized by it, and then saw even the censored footage and was like holy shit, like they're not even cutting away like they usually do, pausing the camera.
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Um, don't watch it, don't, you don't need to see it.
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I can tell you this I'm fucked up, I'm not okay.
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I'm so not okay that when Billie Jean tried to comfort me, she didn't know what to do.
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She, honestly, was trying to console me and I was just honestly shocked, and I've never been shocked from violence like that.
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I usually can see it and compartmentalize it, and I've never been shocked from violence like that.
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I usually can see it and compartmentalize it and I'm pretty messed up.
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And again, I say all this is someone I know the third time I was saying it.
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I wasn't his biggest fan, right?
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I didn't worship the guy.
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I was certainly probably even leaning on, like disagreeing with the most of the time.
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But I did get to see him in person and in fact, I was going to go tomorrow to see him in person because he was going to be here in our town tomorrow.
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He was going to be here tomorrow, tomorrow, and I was going to go see him with a couple buddies, not because we wanted to see Charlie Kirk, but because we wanted to be there to talk to other people present and have conversations and exercise that healthy form of engagement where we can talk here and it's safe and no one's getting attacked, no one's getting hurt.
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And uh, that was what it was like the first time I saw him here back in 2019 and to now know like one, it's weird, to like have been planning on it and talking about it with friends and now it's over and I and like I'm realizing like not only did they kill Charlie Kirk.
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But they killed our opportunity to have that.
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And I wonder how many other people feel like, oh, they didn't just shoot Charlie, but they shot our opportunity to have a democratic forum of conversation.
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Because, I certainly will say this, I personally don't feel safe going on to a college campus and openly discussing my views, not saying like I think someone's like looking around to shoot the next person who utters a word of it.
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Right, but you and I both went to the same university man and I will say I think the precedent of Charlie Kirk getting shot justifies a lot of people in their mindset of like shooting the next street preacher, preacher who goes on campus saying crazy shit.
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Um, yeah, anyways, I got some videos and stuff here pulled up that we can go through for like the latest updates, um, but I just went, invented and processed a lot out loud and I want to give pat an opportunity to kind of process a little bit and I hope I didn't say anything dumb and let me know if I did.
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If I said anything, you know that maybe I miscommunicated or anything, because I certainly feel like I covered everything that I wanted to.
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Yeah, no, I mean, I think that also, when we've done like, we've talked about other events, like the day of or the day after they've happened, like before, everything's kind of like dust has settled or things have come out on them, and I think that in general, like we are, there's a form of this where we're not reporting on something necessarily right, we are like giving our thoughts, and where we're not reporting on something necessarily right, we are like giving our thoughts and what we're going through, and and like the, uh, yeah, like the.
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And as we go, like later on, we may get into like speculation of certain things or whatever, and like, um, all, that's all, just this is just two guys sitting, kind of, you know, just breaking breaking down, processing, going through something you know, and so you know all the facts process and going through something you know, and so you know all the facts aren't in the details, aren't in, and like, if we get into speculation or if we get into assumptions and stuff, it's just us, you know, thinking through what we've seen, you know just happened a few hours ago and yeah, I think that my whole day's been since I found out is, yeah, I've been in a off mood, which is I was know and maybe there was also a school shooting today.
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It was.
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It was a terrible day and it was one of the worst days and it's like perfectly in vain for September.
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It's like September and April are the worst months.
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They are.
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And you know, what's interesting was I was thinking through unfortunately, hopefully in this school shooting, everybody's still alive as far as at this time, but they could.
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I mean they're in critical condition.
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Things could happen, they could be, you know, their lives could be ruined, changed whatever, from physical or trauma, whatever.
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So it's a horrible, horrible thing.
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And yet I was thinking through just me personally and I was like it's crazy how maybe it's just because have I just become desensitized to the news reports of school shootings, right or whatever, like versus the Charlie Kirk thing is really like what has upset me the most today, even though, like the other thing is children and you know, horrible.
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And maybe if I'd also seen the video up close, where you know, because the video that we saw was 10 feet away from him, you know, and it was just like and it was very um, it's super graphic and and super fast and you just knew that he was dead when it happened.
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It was just like.
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It was like what the heck just happened, you know, and so the it was super upsetting and like just it put me in this mood of um, I think, uh, I felt a lot of emotions.
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I felt I I was like just upset, stunned, couldn't believe it was real.
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It was like, um, I felt kind of feel angry about some stuff too.
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I feel, um, and then on like a, on a micro level, I'm like man, this guy's wife and kids and friends, like super upset about that.
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And then, on a broad level, I'm like, oh, the freaking country, like this, this is not good.
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And because one of the first things I thought too was like, well, you know, there's going to be people today celebrating this.
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You know it's like, and how messed up that, uh, how far we've devolved and gotten to where, like you know, uh, jfk assassination, like pretty sure, there's probably no school the next day.
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And there there wasn't a bunch of people spouting off like man, he got what he deserved.
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You know they're like, you know well, to people like that, it's the problem with the world and that's why a good thing I don't think that was you know the vibe.
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But everybody has a platform, everybody has a spot to spout off and speak on, and so, you know, from the small level down to his family and his kids, all the way up to, ok, the country, the state of the country, that sort of thing was just like, so it has me rocketing between the the 10 foot view up to the 30,000 foot view, and so that's also part of like what I'm processing through and thinking through, like where are we at as a nation, man, this sucks for this guy.
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Like, I know people who know him, you know, or like whatever, like it's just like.
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So you just go um and, uh, I think that, yeah, the video was very stunning because, yeah, whatever you see, you know cctv video of a bank robbery.
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Somebody gets shot and falls over, oh yeah, okay, the guy bleeds on floor, dies okay, but this was just like.
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I think it was like also the uh, he, it was it.
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I guess you didn't know what was it gonna happen.
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Like you know what's about to happen when you're watching the bank robbery thing, whatever, this was just like, oh, it's charlie kirk speaking, like he does, and then every youtube video I've seen of him, and then, um, just the finite life.
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And you knew, when you saw it, you knew he was dead.
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Like yeah, because I think too, it's like one of the things where you can tell several things.
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One like I don't think we've gotten desensitized to school shootings.
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I think the difference is, like what?
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What makes me upset about school shootings is, of course, that someone would think it's okay to go and hurt children that way, and guess what, every sane person feels that way too, on both sides of the aisle.
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What's what's gross about school shootings?
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And I think what is distracting is that everyone uses it as a narrative for either you know, taking gun rights away or you know whatever other kind of political or like a lot of people are.
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Oh well, we need to put everyone who you know is could potentially be a school shooter in loony bins and lobotomize them.
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And both of those perspectives are just like exhaustingly disappointing, because you're like no, neither of those are going to solve, probably right now, the the true core issue of like we have a mental health issue in this country where people are able to justify going and harming children or you know other mass shootings, right and so.
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And we also don't get on reddit and see people celebrating the death of children.
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You know what I mean.
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Like I've never been on reddit or social media or youtube and seen someone celebrating the most recent school shooting, so I think it's a different in that way.
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At the same time, too, man, like, yeah, like no one's ever gonna show us the footage of kids getting shot, you know, into schools and stuff, like and thank god, I don't need to see that.
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But dude, seeing you see charlie, and when he gets shot, man, there's no, there, there's no point where he gets to react, there's no point where, like, he is shot and the way his body responds to that is someone who's lights out pretty quick and, um, I think that's perhaps what it is, because it is so shocking and it is so uh, jarring, um, and that, combined with people celebrating that kind of thing people people rejoicing in it just makes you realize like holy you are.
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You are so evil, like you are so robbed of moral compass, like you have no moral compass.
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Um, what?
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What it was, I will say.
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What gave me a lot of hope for humanity was that I was on reddit and the one sub that was repetitively over and over saying like, hey, I didn't like them, but let's not celebrate.
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Hey, this is a horrible thing.
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Hey, I didn't like him, but you know what?
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Let's not, you know, celebrate the murder of someone.
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It's a sad thing.
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It was the subreddit called r slash teenagers.
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It was mostly teenage kids in this subreddit saying like, hey, it's pretty messed up that anyone is celebrating him being dead.
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And most of the comments were other teenagers like, yeah, this is really scary to me.
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I'm terrified.
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Like why are people celebrating this?
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Why do I see like people who are like my teachers and my parents celebrating and rejoice?
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Like it makes no sense, like this is wrong and so there's?
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Like I saw that I was like okay, so like the youth isn't brainwashed into thinking like this is a good thing and in fact, they're so self-aware that they can observe adults behaving this way and be like yeah, okay, I might not, as a as a teenager trying to figure life out, agree with anything this person's saying, but, holy smokes, like you're a monster for dancing around and cheering that he was killed, that he was murdered, um.
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So, anyways, um, I kind of want to go through a couple things here of footage wise, um, and I was just gonna share here with you, pat, and maybe you can put it in the the edit of the pod just clips from these videos of like what you know we're referencing.
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But there's a couple different things, um, and there's a good chance we're gonna cut things um in and out in this just because of, um, their videos where other people are talking about stuff and narrating it.
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So I would say like, uh, just bear with us, as we kind of try to make sure we get you the most succinct information and kind of the most um, valuable speculation we can kind of provide here, um, as of right now, unless, pat, you're seeing something else no yeah as of right now, no one is in custody.
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I I haven't seen no it that they they do not have um anybody, at least that nothing's been reported, nothing like that um there has been two people that were taken into custody and they have both been released, and so currently there is no one in custody and, as far as I could tell that, there's not even a lead person of interest right now.
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Are you seeing anything anywhere about a lead person of interest?
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I'm not seeing anything out there.
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They have Nothing's been been everything I've looked up there's.
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there's just been diddly so we got a guy in the wind, yeah, or a gal in the wind, which is crazy because of how fast they were able to deal, like identify.
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Now, granted, there's a lot more security for the Trump shooting Right, the attempted assassination, but that, you know, I would say, was something that we felt like there was a lot more quicker response on.
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So, anyways, I'm going to, I'm going to start going through this video here and I can, I can send it to you if you want to try to go through it with me at the same time, pat, or do you just want to listen?
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I'll just listen in yeah.
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But anyways.
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So this is from Liberal Hive Mind.
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He's cranking out crazy amounts of videos on this shooting and just breaking down information, probably just going to skip around the stuff.
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That's like just um ranting, because you can rant sometimes about stuff and just try to get like images and perspective of the shooting welcome to the liberal hive mind.
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Yada, yada, you know, I gotta tell you I started off this morning a little bit low on energy, but now obviously I think it goes without saying I've found a little bit of motivation here.
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Carly kirk thing.
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But first I want to clear up some confusion because obviously misinformation spreads fast in moments like these.
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It was a clearly and understandably chaotic scene and initially people online were sharing clips of a man being arrested at the event, handcuffed, led away.
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So in that clip they're hauling off this older guy in a blue shirt who apparently claimed I guess, from what I'm understanding right after the shooting claimed to be the shooter.
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So the police immediately grabbed him and arrested him and there was no gun, of course, on the guy.
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But ironically, some people did research this guy his name was like michael malice or michael malindome or something like that.
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I got I can't remember.
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Um, I was reading about him earlier today, but apparently he had made bomb threats at other previous like uh, utah or university of utah events, um, back in like 2019 and stuff, and he was like a registered Democrat and he had said some pretty extremist language before and now, as they're dragging him away, he's saying shoot me, shoot me.
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So it really seems like I doubt that he's actually connected to the real shooter.
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I doubt that he's actually connected to the real shooter, but it seems like he was an agitator and not in favor of what Charlie Kirk was talking about and therefore, after the incident, maybe he legitimately tried to disrupt the police investigation because he was in favor of the assassination.
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A lot of people are theorizing, without any credible evidence right now, that he knew the shooter and this was planned.
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If that was the case, they wouldn't have released him.
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You know what I mean.
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If that was the case, they wouldn't have released him.
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Maybe they would do it to try to honeypot the shooter and see if this guy connects with him somewhere, but I really don't think they would, but anyways.
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So the police say, as they're dragging him away, they say, like we don't know if he's the shooter, get back, because you know the guy's telling everyone to shoot him or kill him.
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Right, the police are trying to make sure no one actually does anything to him while they're, while he's in their custody had reputable outlets kind of alluding to that fact, claiming the suspect was in custody.
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Obviously, this went viral and spread all over social media.
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But a few hours ago, police have confirmed that he is in fact, not the shooter.
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We don't yet know the circumstances as to why he was apprehended.
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Maybe he said something, maybe he did something.
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We don't know what role he played or why he was detained.
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But the fact is simple he was not the person who pulled the trigger.
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I urge everybody to take that seriously, to acknowledge it and leave this man alone.
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Despite the fact is simple he was not the person who pulled the trigger.
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I urge everybody to take that seriously, to acknowledge it and leave this man alone.
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Despite the fact that people have identified him and connected him to a previous crime, in this particular case there's no confirmed connection and some people have been spreading false accusations.
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So let's get that out of the way right off the bat and now let's move into what we actually know.
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So we do now finally have confirmed videos of the shooter.
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We have two videos in fact.
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I'll go ahead and play those Get right up.
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Yeah, you think he'd already be in place, all right.
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So this right here is kind of what I want to show you.
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Pat, too, this is footage of students from well outside the event recording this guy after he's gone onto a roof and he kind of shows how the guy got on the roof.
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Yeah, it looks to me like you're watching it.
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Wait, tilt that over to me.
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Oh no, that's the one from inside the building.
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That's the one that I was talking about, where they show him moving.
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Of the shooter.
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We have two videos in fact.
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I'll go ahead and play those.
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Get right up, yeah.
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You think he'd already be in place?
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He would think that that's the guy up on the roof laying in place and getting ready and they show they're like yeah, he hopped on this fence over here.
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Over my finger.
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From over there, ran in, and now he's right there Just saying yeah, and then here's the footage that shows him moving across the roof.
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So on the first clip you can see an individual perched up on top of the rooftop.
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In the distance the individual seems to be wearing black from head to toe, significantly far back on top of a roof, and this is eyewitness of the suspect, clearly in a position to shoot.
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I got to tell you I'm a little bit frustrated with the fact that once again there's a suspicious individual on a roof during one of these events in a clear shooting position and police weren't called, and very frustrated that all out pandemonium didn't break out there, but rather people just filming and saying, oh look, a suspicious individual.
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But I guess you can't blame people for not doing everything they should have.
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And then in that second video you see a shot being fired, or you hear the shot being fired.
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Chaos erupts, the entire crowd drops to the ground and then right there you can see a small little body.
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Maybe we'll zoom in and play it as I'm speaking here.
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You see a tiny little black speck pop up, spring up and start bolting from that position.
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Well, that was very clearly the shooter, and these two clips that are now surfacing online are the only two confirmed videos of the shooter.
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So now we have some confirmed information.
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Let's talk about what we actually know.
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We can pull up satellite images, aerial photos of the Utah Valley University campus and, from what we can gather it seems, the individuals on this building right over here.
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This building is known as the Losey Center at Utah Valley University and if we zoom in on the Google Maps, it's where the UVU Career Development Center, the UVU Women's Success Center and the UVU Veteran Success Center is.
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Just add as much detail as possible Now.
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I think we can definitely confirm that this is the building.
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If we take a side-by-side here and just look at the architectural structure of this building, you can tell that it pretty much lines up one-to-one.
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You'll see the shooter perched and there's multiple levels, that kind of step upwards.
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The sidewall also seems to be roughly the same color.
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An orange is red stone or brick, and Fox News is reporting that this was roughly 200 yards away from where Charlie Kirk was posted during the event 200 yards, which, for people who aren't, lots of people are saying this is like a pro sniper shot.
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Right, I'm like dude that's.
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I do that sleeping.
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Yet the other this Saturday I was doing just dot on my pistol and I was doing back to back 100 yard shots with my pistol.
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So it's like one of those things where, yes, you would, you would probably be a practiced marksman to understand, like how to hold for 200 yard shot and like you'd have to have had a weapon zeroed for it.
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But this is not like.
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Something like this is probably.
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This is not a reason to believe that it's some kind of Mossad agent.
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You know, what.
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I mean.
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Like this is not a a government super secret spy assassination.
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Like anyone with a weekend of time could learn how to shoot very consistently at 200 yards accurately.
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What were you going to say?
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I'm going to say the same thing, cause, yeah, there are a lot, there's lots of speculation that you know lot.
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There's lots of speculation that you know it was a um more professional type hit or something.
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People say it's um, you know government conspiracy stuff and these things.
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Um, so, yeah, the you know, for 200 yard shot it's uh something that can be done.
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Um, and it's uh, it's something that, yeah, not not a lot of training needs to be done to do that.
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It doesn't have to be a professional.
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Could have been, who knows, could have been anybody is the point.
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