Brews N' Reviews - Dune Part Two, TRVE Nazareth

0:04 We ride together we die together. We bear voice for life. Get busy living or get busy dying Gang first, last. Are you not entertained? Are you not? entertained. Welcome to Brews and Reviews with Mick and Pat. I'm Mick. And. I'm Pat, and each week we sit down with you. Degenerates to pretend we're certified Cicerones and Cinephiles. That is right. So grab a cold one and join us as we review True Brewery's Nazareth and Dune, part 2. And if you've been with us before, you know what time it is.

0:46 Release the Kraken mmm that smells good. It does. And if you are a follower of Mick and Pat's Brews and Reviews, you have heard of True Brewing before and they are back again. This will be our fifth, sixth, seventh. We're missing one can in there, I think seven. I think there's like seventh beer of theirs. So we've been fans of them and the can. We all know what a true brewing coke can looks like. It's a matte black, can well not today. Today it's a matte black, can Well, not today. Today it's a matte green, can you know?

1:28 I think it's a little bit matte-y. Still, it's not too shiny. Yeah, no, it's still matte. And the artwork, true to form, is kind of dark, kind of scary, simple yet complex. You know it's designer. On here We've got a gentleman who is hooded Whoa. We don't know if it's a man or a woman? Okay, All right. All right. It's a hooded individual with a gas mask on and some tanks on their back and they're surrounded by fumes. It looks like a. Is that a bomb or just a bubble down there in the bottom right? I think it's just a bubble.

2:08 I think it's just a black bubble. Yeah, but then that other little bubble makes it look like an old bomb, but anyways, yeah, this is a dude walking through some rowdy green gas. I think the green gas is coming out of. Out of him. Is that what he's breathing, look at the green gases in the tank. Ah, man, is that what he's breathing? Look at the green gases in the tank. Ah, I see, for any of you who are Warhammer 40k fans, if you've seen what the Mechanists look like with their hoods and their coils and tubes and gas masks and tanks, he's like a green version of that and I think the smoke coming out of him is like his exhale of the stuff in his tank. And it's a dragon.

2:48 You think that's a dragon. Upon further investigation, I believe it's a serpent-esque dragon. I thought that was a horse skull at the bottom, oh, and a horse skull. There's both a horse skull and a dragon. Dude, what is it? Horse and dragon. Oh wow, what if it shots fire, dude? What if there's some? brewery beef. Are they killing the horse and dragon with this double IPA? That really does look like a horse, and dragon, that is a horse and dragon For people who don't know. Horse and Dragon is a brewery here in Colorado as well. Yeah, and they make some good beers, some of my favorites On here.

3:30 We did the Midnight Stallion, which was a good one, but this is a double IPA and I'm interested to see how the double IPA stacks up, because I think double IPAs are hard to do and without just being super skunky, super strong. But what's going on else is going on on this. Can we've got the? Oh, they don't have the hops written on here. That's all right, because I've pulled it up online. So we have the troubadour truth once again. The troubadour golden oats, um, some citra, a couple other little things that they've thrown in there, but the I'm trying to see if they had any of the other malts or things in this.

4:15 So we don't have that here. But it's eight percent um of alcohol volume and it's, you know, eight percent is kind of, I think, maybe on the lower end for a double ipa and maybe I mean I'm used to mercenary being 10 right, right, like the yeah, kind of like the high nines double digits, but so we'll see. That might help out with how they are able to keep this thing flavorful and good and and I have not had a sip yet I think it's time for me to try it and see it smells good. I've only sipped off the foam, the head, so that way I can fit more beer, and I have to say the smell and the head of it are really, I guess, balanced, like, really not overwhelmingly skunky.

5:07 I don't smell any of that dog food that I smell with a lot of double. IPAs. That's true, there's no dog food, really not much. No skunk. No skunk at all that I can smell. That's impressive, so is it time to push it through our teeth? Oh yeah, so we're going to do the push it through your teeth test and while I explain it, pat's going to do it. And for those of you at home, just repeat it with me. You take a tablespoon amount of the beer into your mouth. You're going to let it roll over the top of your tongue and down the sides of your tongue and just let it get under your tongue and then swish it to the side of your tongue and just let it get under your tongue and then swish it to the side of your mouth left, then right and then left and right, and let it go between the teeth and really aerate.

5:51 Then you put it right in front of your tongue, put your tongue against the roof of your mouth and push it forward through the front of your teeth and that really gets it pretty aerated. Should bring out all the flavors. Uh, pat, what are you tasting while I take some of my own medicine? yeah, I think that that is a wild uh, push it through your teeth test, because I was expecting to have to, like, kind of have a stinging tongue afterwards with a you know just a that sharp skunk ipa pushing on the tip of my tongue. But really it was just kind of creamy beer and it wasn't. It just tastes like a good ipa. It was pretty mild, that's uh, those people might be mad here.

6:37 Gosh, we sound like such shills. Um, that's a juicier ipa than juice force. Like that's a creamier, juicier taste to me, especially doing the push with your teeth like the fact that like the strongest flavor after aerating it, like that isn't an acrid bitterness but is honestly, like you said, like a juicy, creamy, citrusy creamy out of a double ipa. That's crazy and I'll be honest juice force. I like it, I love it, I get it, I drink I drink more juice forces now, like I say now, like having pretty much cut out most drinks and drinking very, you know, maybe two beers a week on average, juice forces or voodoo ranger is probably like what I drink the most often.

7:28 An iteration of juice force, right, yeah, uh, and that's just because that's what my buddies buy when they bring beer over, yeah and so, um, yeah, I so I love it, but this is better oh yeah, you know this is juicier and creamier. And when it comes to Juice Force, I wonder if there's something going on with lower quality than when they were pumping it out the first time. Yeah, because it's in every gas station. Yeah, it has a tall boy, can now? Yeah, I think we all thought it was going to be super seasonal, right, and for some reason Juice Force was like no, this is it. This is the one. This is the beer we've been on people buying when they come home from work to the gas station.

8:10 Everyone wanted a Juice Force after Top Gun and they never wanted it to go away. It just has remained, I think. I think Top Gun and Juice Force coming out at the same time is what cemented it as a non-seasonal beer out at the same time is what cemented it as like a non-seasonal beer. I do remember I was at new belgium's uh, northern colorado brewery and they were doing a free beer survey where you just come up and sign up for it and they just pour you a bunch of beer in taster cups and you have to like sip it while you answer questions and it will say, like now, taste number eight, how would you describe it compared to number seven?

8:50 And like there's a multiple choice answer and like the guy was really great, who was doing it? This was a new belgium employee, um, and he was like I can't answer any questions until after you finish the whole survey. I was like, all right, I finished it and I was like, hey, man, can't answer any questions until after you finish the whole survey. I was like, all right, I finished it and I was like, hey, man, can I ask you a question? Can I whisper it so it doesn't spoil? He's like, yeah for sure. I was like are these all just juice for us, but from different dates of brewing? He's like yeah, yeah. Some of them were like super expired. Some of them were like fresh off the batch and I was like interesting, so like they were deciding like what is the best age of juice for us, right, you know what I mean? Yeah, and so I thought that was pretty interesting.

9:32 Anyways, back to this beer. Yeah, what are your thoughts, man? What else are you picking? up. You know I'm trying to pinpoint this. There's this one flavor in there that I can't figure out what it is that I'm having. I don't know, I think give it a whiff. I know. It's crazy how, like if you held this under my nose and told me to guess what beer it was, I wouldn't guess an IPA. It's like the sweet, that sweet smell, that sweet taste. What is that flavor? I think it's just like a fruity tooty smell, yeah, just a fruity, but yeah, like a citrusy, a little bit citrusy fruit flavor in there. Yeah, kind of reminds me for some reason of a jelly bean, I can't remember which one.

10:14 Oh, yeah. But it has like that fruity, creamy flavor of some kind of jelly bean. Damn I like it. as someone who really does love mercenary, which is a hoppy double ipa, I think I'd pick this over it, given like if the two maybe, and maybe I only feel that way because I know this is a limited run right uh. So if you're listening to this and you want to try it, get out to uh true brewing's tap room in denver or try to look at their uh, uh. What's the term, man? Why am I blinking the way you sell product. It's not dispersal. All I can think of is dispersal. Uh, you can look up who their uh distributor distributor is um, and to see if it's distributed near you.

11:01 Uh, they are getting bigger. Their operations are getting bigger and bigger, so maybe you can get a hold of it. But uh, yeah, try to get some now, before it's gone, because I imagine this won't be around very long yeah, and unless you are um beer cam from uh beeradvocatecom who says a failure truly tastes disgusting. Astonished at this flub Fake pineapple Horrific Oversweet Fake lemon drop, intensely of clashing pine and cane sugar. No hop definition, coherence Almost the worst IPA I've ever had. F this shiz for real. I had high hopes after loving it last year. What a waste of money.

11:43 Deep strike against true, so he references the last year referenced. I gotta imagine he had a bad beer right and but for like the fact that last year did they change up their recipe the recipe on them. And I will say this if you are planning on having your standard skunk double ipa, this will fail you. Like if you love mercenary and that's the taste you're going for, if that's what you want, this is different. Yeah, this is not that. It's um, this is more mild and this would also be, I think, a good double ipa. To introduce somebody too who's like not into it. Those are too like wild for me yeah, oh, here you go I think this is like over. I mean like regardless of it being double, this is a mild ipa and taste and profile right the fact that it's also punching at 8%.

12:25 I mean, that's got some weight to it, dude. I just actually still cannot get over the fact that that's a horse and a dragon. The more I think about it, the more I'm like that's intentional, dude, there's no way. That's not intentional. I'm looking up horse and dragon's double IPA. I gotta know Just what's the way. That's not intentional. I'm looking at Horse and Dragons double IPA. I got to know just what's their thing. Well, while you're doing that, the reason we picked this beer, you know, is we tried to pick a thematic beer and we had a couple options tonight and Pat ended up picking this one out of the ones I brought. And it's because, you know, this dude on the front of the can is looking spiced up.

13:06 He's looking like he's trying to retain his moisture in this suit and contraption, he's got on recycling his uh exhalation to contain that moisture trap, just like they do on a raucous um, also spiced up because it looks like pretty like drugs, you know, just like spice melanges in in the world of dune um, and it's called nazareth, which I thought was interesting, because nazareth uh is, you know, terminology wise, referred to often. Yes, it's a place, uh, but it's often referred to as like a way of describing a messianic figure. You, you know, jesus of Nazarene, born in Nazareth.

13:47 Uh, I think they, I think there's a lot of. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there like a quite a few college campuses that are like something of the Nazareth? Nazarene, nazarene, yeah, yeah, like churches and stuff, yeah. And so Dune being a movie about a messianic figure doing drugs, drugged out messianic figure trying to retain his moisture, this just seemed like it really fit the bill. And if you look at it and you don't think Dune, well you're wrong man, Because that's clearly a spaceship. In the distance behind him too, it could be. You don't think that's a spaceship? What is that Floating city?

14:27 I think it's just a blob. That In the back left, yeah, back right, I don't know. I think it's up to the eye of the beholder. But before we get too much further, oh it is dog, I mean, it is a violence between them, right? I don't know that yet, but we have not given our thumbs. Yeah, true, true, which. I will continue to research this. I cannot find it would be nice if, like TMZ, had an article on the beef. There's a total of 15 people who care about micro-brodery beef right now in Colorado, and we are two of them. The other ones are employees at either of those companies.

15:10 Right, exactly. So we will see. But we might just have to call the artist, because I will say this this is not the original logo, really, of the beer. The original logo just had the. It was green with the man in the gas mask, just a front view. And now they have the. Then they added this smoky, dying horse and dragon. So I don't know if it's just part of their dark, their darkness, they like that. Add some, add some death in there, or if there was something going on with the horse and dragon up there. But if I had to give this beer some thumbs up or down, yeah, I would give it a one thumb up and it's it's.

15:50 It's pushing up a little higher potentially, but I'm giving it a. I'm giving it a one, solid one thumb because that's how I'm feeling, but I think that for some people it might be a two-thumb I'm some people, bro, that's a two-thumber. I'm some people, bro, that's a two-thumb IPA. That is a distinguishably cut above the majority IPA, in my opinion, because there's so many IPAs that we would be like that's arguably just a good beer and it's good enough that I can't give it a no thumbs Right. So we've given it one, and I just can't think of another IPA. I mean, dude, we gave Juice Force like two thumbs up, one from you and one from me. Right, this is true. And I just think this is better.

16:31 So I'm going to give it two thumbs up. That's great, because I think it needs three thumbs. It needs at least three. It needs three thumbs. Did you know I was going to do two? I was hoping you would like hurt your own. You're like I'm gonna do one because he's gonna do two. I can't give a 1.5. It's true, dude. I was just hoping for the three number total well, here you have it, ken. Uh, true, brewing nazareth, it is a double ipa. It's a smooth, non-skunky, non-bitter, uh, fruity and creamy double ipa, seasonal it. I doubt it will be available for more than just probably through june this summer. I imagine it will be sold out of by then, unless they got some other batches they'll be releasing.

17:14 But, um, yeah, I'll definitely look forward to it next summer now, after I've been trying it. Um and dude, now I just gotta take a picture and send it to horse and dragon dude, now I just got to take a picture and send it to horse and dragon. Yeah, what's going on here, dog? Yeah, that's so funny. Anyways, transitioning on over to the film of the evening, which is Dune part two. Now, ken, if you haven't watched Dune, or read the book, or watched the remake, uh, for dune part one, uh, you can't be mad at us, because there's just no way to protect you and talk about dune part two without spoiling dune yeah right, like you.

18:00 Just, you're gonna learn stuff about part two listening to this. That is gonna be spoiling part one. So, all that said, we're not going to censor it. Spoiler warning, spoiler warning get ready and hopefully, hopefully. If you haven't seen it and you're waiting for it to come to streaming, this confirms to you to take the time to watch it, cause it's going to land on streaming here in the next week or two. Um, and it's uh, you know it was. It's quite the theatrical experience like that. That was probably, I don't know. I really I did enjoy oppenheimer, seen in imax and stuff, but, dude, seeing dune in the movie theater I wish I had, even though I had technical.

18:41 Like there was an issue at our movie theater where every single time swords or daggers connected on something or a gunshot, that audio for some reason in the digital file. Like the high end, tweeters were crackly. No, the audio was so loud that it would black out or go into white noise on the movie screen. It was weird. It was a literal digital issue because it's not on film. It's a digital file that is sent out to all these movie theaters that they play off of. I explained it to the staff and they came in and they looked at it and they're like whoa, that's weird.

19:21 It was literally like, and I recorded it on my phone to show them because I didn't think they'd believe me, right. Um, but it was literally. Every time there was a gunshot or anytime swords clanged, for some reason that tone got hot, so high pitched in the file or whatever. That it like cut out the video. It was weird, like the screen no, that's what I'm talking about. The screen went black or white, noise oh, wow, yeah, wow. Yeah, and so it was cool though, because I told them that and they came and looked at it and they thought they fixed it. And then after the movie I was like, yeah, it was kind of a bummer, but you guys definitely want to check it because, like it was very noticeable, for, like the big fight scenes and they're like, oh, wow, and I right and they're like here they count me two full imax tickets for the next amc imax I want to go to.

20:09 That's good and no expiration on them. And I was like that is customer service, because I didn't even ask for that, dude. I was like, hey, I'm serious, guys like you don't, I don't think you guys know like get it. Like it was hard to see stuff in the big fight scenes, um, and even then though, bro, it was like I still enjoyed the movie a lot, you know, I mean, even though, like I had technical difficulties. So it was definitely an imax worthy movie. A home surround sound projector, yeah, big tv movie, it's like don't watch it on your phone if you can help sure. Yeah, that's right, I wish I'd watch it on my tv, but I was like when those three worms came out I was like I wish I was seeing this in the theaters and I am going to go, I think because of this movie. Now I've decided I'm going to up my sound system situation Because I am like a sound kind of sound savvy individual, but on my TV for years I've just had the straight speakers, no sound bar.

21:02 I'm thinking about upgrading my sound bar speakers. Dude, I know soundbar. I'm thinking about upgrading my soundbar and I'm, I'd be, I would, I was originally going to take the current soundbar I have and use it as my like new game sound system oh yeah, on my computer I'll pass it on to you for real, all right I'll give you free of charge. It's a great soundbar the only issue with it is that when uh audio completely levels out to zero, it literally will mute and then unmute when this dial, like when audio returns oh really so, like when in mood and like poorly uh what is the term? um, poorly optimized uh files for streaming, you know where, like the movie file or the television show like has been optimized for streaming on a home audio system and the volume just gets so low that technically on an audio system like our TVs and stuff, it just is.

21:54 It's literally like if you look, if you talk to like audio engineers or people who edit videos, like you get to a certain frequency on a lot of speakers, it just bottoms out and like it's zero. Right. And so that's like the only thing that happens with that speaker, and you only notice it when it's like turned up to 11. You know what I mean, um, but anyways, yeah, definitely a big cinematic movie. Excellent, uh, sound effects, excellent, cgi Um, I thought like the CGI in it was uncanny, like there was a couple points where I'm like, well, clearly they're not flying a drone over an alien planet where the city is built into a rock. But there was scenes I was looking at and I was like I don't know what's a physical stage and what's not.

22:42 Like the skin of the sandworm. Oh yeah, the worms themselves look great. I guess I was just thinking too, like I couldn't tell you, like when they're filming, like there's a pivotal fight scene at the end, right, and like you can see all the scenery around the fight scene and I couldn't tell where it stopped being a built set and where it started being cgi. Right, it was just very well done. Yeah, the worms were insane. The sand the fact that like sand effects didn't look hokey right like how I, because they shot a lot of this in the desert. Yeah, but like yeah, I don't know how they blended all that together with the whipping sand like it looks so good and it doesn't look like all of the sand is in front of your characters.

23:27 It doesn't look just masked on, it looks like it's wrapping them in the face, yeah, and all around them yeah, it was. It was quite the visual feat. Um, I also thought, uh, you know, before we get into everything, I guess we're just trying to talk about all the like good stuff about the movie or overall thoughts of the movie before we get into spoiler territory. But I thought the pacing was really well done and I know that was something billy jean said when we watched it. Billy jean said I could have watched that longer, and she is not a person who can usually sit and watch long movies because this is a three hour yeah, it's 246. Yeah, two hours I mean, but like if you're in the movie theaters yeah it's like three and a half, yeah, by the time you like sit down, you know preview start and then credits roll, um.

24:12 But uh, she was like, yeah, that was so well paced like I really wasn't expecting it to end when it did, and I also could have watched for another 30 minutes and not realized it was four hours or three and a half hours, which, like a movie, we did when we did, we did Napoleon right. Yeah, oh my God, that movie felt like four hours five hours. And the pacing. It's hard to say like the pacing was similar but missed so hard. Like across time, you mean no, I mean, I mean like like just these you know, you have these huge epic battle scenes and also like these like moments of true, just like silence and two characters staring at each other, like like the and some of the pacing in and out, but like I feel like that's how, like there's there's some secret sauce that like napoleon missed in there, but like, oh yeah, you can have a movie that has very, very slow, very quiet, non-dialogue scenes, no music going on, and then also all the way over to these big, crazy epic scenes and you can pace it correctly to where a viewer's engaged the whole time, where the Napoleon one just the whole time was like I don't know, it was no good, it was horrible viewers engaged the whole time, where, like the, the Napoleon one just the whole time was like uh, I don't know like uh, it was no good, it was horrible it was.

25:28 I mean, it was fighting for my attention. Right, I've never. I've never wanted to pull up my phone more during a movie in the movie Right, yeah, like in a movie you paid to see and sit down, and so it's not balls to the wall the whole time. It ramps way back, but it still paced really well for a long movie. It's also like when it's ramping back to me, it's just engaging. It's engaging storytelling, world building. And the fact that it's not like I already have a predisposition to fantasy sci-fi, because I know I've enjoyed that before and I know I've enjoyed the concepts that go into it. The fact that billy jean is watching dune.

26:09 She can't remember dune part one. Oh my gosh, dude, the oh, so funny. Yeah, I was losing my shit. Sorry, I just had to touch on this before I forget. We get into the movie early doesn't matter really, other than just being able to sit and chill, because every you buy your, you pay for your exact seat, you know I mean so we get in the movie early, we're sitting down our seats and I hear his hispanic grandma and, I think, her daughter, and then her daughter's son, and then, and then sorry, hispanic grandma with her daughter or her son, and then the spouse right and then the kid and um, I can hear this hispanic grandma saying like essentially I can't remember exactly how it is in spanish, you know it was like, but she's like que pasa, paul atreides like like, like, he's like, and then the son is explaining, like either her son-in-law or her son is explaining to her and his wife which one paul tradies is right.

27:08 Who's? Hey, like, like catching them up on everything before the movie starts. It was funny because he'd answer in english and all of her questions were in spanish, but all of the dune characters. She's like like uh, don't they stop, not, don't they esta? What's where? Where is uh donde? No? I can't remember, but she was just like whatever. Imagine donde esta is where is I know that that's how you're doing, but like she's like donde esta, duncan idaho, like a hero behind us, just like oh, he died. But like billy jean, uh was like, I just remembered she was like, so, uh, is Atreides the good guy in this movie. Right, atreides was the hero and I was like Atreides Like the house.

27:53 Atreides, you mean Like like Paul, is a single person. Like you know, I was totally like being a nerd, but the fact that, like she didn't remember much of the first movie and really enjoyed this one, and so much so that I think she wanted to watch it again even, yeah, um, like that is a huge success for a movie that has so much lore. To try to make, make sense and not like, seem like a fever, dream right, and make it approachable to like the, your normal audience. Like this is a movie that I'm like I think my mom could watch it and still enjoy it and she doesn't get into sci-fi fantasy really at all right, you know, star wars is like, sometimes a little.

28:35 She liked it as a kid. She loved seeing star wars, but she's not on wikipedia figuring out, you know like what crystal makes what lightsaber? She's, she's not about to like throw down over like which jedi beat which sith lord right, you know what I mean. Yeah, for sure. And I have a confession to make. I thought I had watched dune one. I think I only watched half of dune one and fell asleep. Really, yeah, because I, like I did, I sat down to do a quick Dune, I started watching Dune 2, and I was like Don't they start, don't. I know and you literally know. And I was like pause YouTube Dune recap. And halfway through the recap I was like yep, yep, yep.

29:18 And then, at 50% done of the recap, I was like nope, nope don't remember that. I don't remember that knife fight scene at all. No, don't remember that. I don't remember that, uh, knife fight scene at all. I don't remember any fight scenes. Actually, you know like, besides the beginning, I was like oh, I only watched half of dune one, so I have to go back now and I have to go watch dune one dune one. It was like the last half of it is the best part exactly, which is also why I maybe wasn't so pumped on everybody's like doing so awesome and I'm like I don't. It was just kind of a slow desert movie. I don't know what's going on, wow, like like, uh, spider-man got his girlfriend stolen and I don't know what else is happening. But um, you know it's like I was like I don't know, um, the uh, um.

30:01 So anyways, I discovered that, so now I'm excited to go back and watch the movie and then probably watch it again. I'm going to watch both with my wife Because I am going to, and that's why also I watched Dune 1 on my cell phone In bed, because it's such a long big movie. I was like long big movies I don't go watch by myself downstairs. Usually like that's when we're hanging out Watching TV shows, and so I messed up. I messed up bad and big, and that's funny to me is that your wife clearly already has a predisposition to it, because Billie Jean took a B reel of me today wearing my poncho up over my head and I had earpiece calm in my nose with the cable going around my hair, yeah, and I was doing my best, like sildar, wide eyes in the sun, you know, I was just she just took a b-roll of me going.

30:58 We had to do it nine times because it's really hard to get b-roll to do a recording. Oh yeah, um, but your what? Your wife, mace wendy, responded with a laugh emoji. No, in fact, every girl responded with a laugh emoji. Just shows you like white chicks, get dune, hey there you go basic. White girls love who. These are girls who love taylor, swift. They also seem to love dune yep, I think, I think I need to watch it with my wife, need to watch both of them. Another thing before we hop into really breaking this thing down, as we're talking about how you know awesome it is to watch in the theater what's the deal with the popcorn bucket? yeah, I mean, but for real I yeah and you know, no dude, I don't know if they did, bro, it seems to be like something that like I think it was a miss, but you know it's been defiled.

31:48 Oh yeah. Yeah, it was not just a joke, you know. Someone took that thing home and put a Uh uh Rep uh. How can I say this without seeing the actual Terminal? No, prophylactic is not what. What's a prophylact? That's what you take to get an erection right, prophylactics did not have, not a rubber. Oh, oh, yeah, well okay um, no, I, I'm trying to say a, um, a. What's another word for pocket? Oh, yeah, yeah, a replica of a female reproduction part has definitely been used with that popcorn bucket.

32:33 Yeah, which also just a very poorly designed popcorn bucket. I don't know if you saw the video Buttery hands dude. Well, no, did you see the? video of people. The idea was the little needle teeth of the worm, uh-huh, would brush the butter off, but that brush it off. Yeah, like you reach in, you grab the, you grab the popcorn and you get your fist around in there, yeah, and then, as you're pulling out, that the little needle teeth are rubbing against your hand and brushing the buttery off the butter and salt off. It's not like a solid that brushes, it's not like crumbs, it's like just smearing the butter. It's really good at smearing the butter. Yeah, don't get it, but like I also saw, that like most men yeah that are, like you know, taller than a child, that have like a developed, normal sized fist.

33:26 Can't get your hand out. Yeah, you grab popcorn and the mouth is too small to get the hand out. You're like a monkey in the jungle being trapped by some abdiginals. You know, you can't say abdiginals, oh no, you can't say abdiginals. You have to say what are they really called, pat? They're called people. Okay, you're to say what are they really called, bet? They're called people. Okay, you're right, they are humans, they're people, they're hunting monkeys and the monkey puts his hand around the banana and he can't get it out and he gets killed. But if you don't know what we're talking about, google dune popcorn google abediginals yeah google, google dune popcorn bucket. It's pretty crazy. You'll be like, oh my god it was a meme immediately as soon as that was announced.

34:06 People were like I'm going to put my wiener in that. Oh man dude. I was also just like. I was like can you imagine having that holding onto it, forgetting that it's somewhere, and then, like your child finds that one day you got to explain that to your son, like why you kept that to your son. Like why you kept that, yeah, it's a souvenir of a movie, it's a very important movie and like, when he goes to look it up, it's just going to be all of the memes of people boning it oh my, god, yep. So anyways the movie funny um, directed by dennis villanueva, but uh, he's done. He did Dune 1 and then he did Blade Runner 2049, so he's he's.

34:48 It was a baller movie. He's hit some big ones and I guess his name is Denis Denis huh. Denis Villanueva yeah, oh, I don't know. I think. I think he's French um but he is, you know, uh, as a director, I'd expect to keep seeing stuff from him to throw out movies this big and like I think you know there's always. I feel like back during blockbuster movies there was like really like a handful of directors. Now there were a ton of directors out there all the time but like, compared to the blockbuster world now with the netflix streaming prime world, like there's so many people getting shots at pretty big productions oh, hold on, let me just also say this yeah, for anyone who's like I'm not into sci-fi, this guy made sicario.

35:36 Yeah, so, like, if you, or if you're like anyone else who usually listens to this podcast and loves sicario, then you're gonna, you should watch it, yeah yeah, I think, I think it's. It's not too sci-fi of a movie. It is sci-fi but it's. It's a good movie. It's a messianic romance story, exactly, and I think that I think this guy's gonna keep showing up for more stuff. He's been around for a while now, like sicario and things like that being, you know, it's about 10 years old now but, uh, this guy could be someone who really does make a bigger mark than I think. I think lots of what I'm saying is I think lots of directors are go unknown, like, if I say, steven spielberg you know. You know who that is, you know why, you know who that is.

36:17 Drastic park and chindler's list were made in one year, right like, and he did them both yeah, just big fat movies. Yeah, everybody's. That's why you know because he made those two movies in a single year and it blew everyone's mind, created the blockbuster, exactly, and so the I think that you know this guy is not a spielberg necessarily, but like you know the way people tell where I'm named, like michael bay, whatever, like he's gonna, he has a chance, he's gonna, he has opportunity now to do all sorts of stuff and he's, you know, planning on. I think he's doing the third one. Oh yeah, you know. So that is so, but you know he is, he's impressive in his direction of this. And then you know, this cast was huge, Massive cast as far as like, and so you know, we have like the leads, really the supporting cast.

37:04 We're all stars, like there are a lot of like oscar nominee people in here. Um, timothy chalamet, what has he been in other than uh, dune, what's? this I. So one of the ones that I like him the most in is, uh, the king, and that's where he plays like the english king who has to go to france, and it's like a actual time piece, uh, dramatization, but essentially he goes to france and he fights, uh, edward, uh, what's his last name? He was just, he was, uh, he was the vampire in twilight edward colin oh, was that his name in twilight?

37:46 that's his name in twilight I thought it was hilarious because timothy chalamet is um, he's french, originally french, canadian, I believe and robert pattinson's english, but then timothy chalamet is playing an english king that's to go and fight a French king, and it was pretty funny. It's a great movie, though, because it's a very accurate dramatization of what really the like it was one of the wars between England and France. He was in Wonka. Apparently he's Willy Wonka, which I don't know if anybody's seen Willy Wonka. No, he was in the movie Hostiles, and I remember he lived quite a while in that movie before he got iced.

38:30 Hostiles, though great movie, and that was like before he was known to anybody Coming by your Name was popular because it was like a teenage gay drama. He was in another one recently, though, about cannibalism. Hmm, he was in Interstellar, I'm trying to. Oh, yeah, he was in the TV show Homeland. He was the spoiled brat son of the president. Yeah, I'm trying to remember. What was this. What was it called? There was one. There was a cannibal one, oh, bones and All. Yeah, dude, pretty creepy.

39:11 Yeah, that was like a very unsettling romance one, but it was pretty good. And then he was in Don't Look Up too, which was a pretty decent movie, but this is definitely his Magnum opus. Yep his big-time deal yeah. You know, other people got Zendaya. Everybody who doesn't love Zendaya. She's been all over the place over the last. Here's my thing, but here I'll be honest. Yeah, I got nothing against her. Yeah, Maybe it was the writing. I felt like she was the weakest actor actress in this movie. And I felt. I felt like it might have just been because they didn't like she could. She could only be disgruntled, non-believer so many times before it's like okay, so this is the one thing that she's like.

39:57 This is the one thing she does in the movie is be a disgruntled non-believer. Um, I've seen clips of her from the show. Uh, that she was really like kicked off her career. Uh, I can't remember. Off the top of my head it was an hbo show. Um, euphoria, euphoria, yeah, um, and then I thought I think she's a great actress in, uh, the spider-man movies, you know um, but I, I personally was like, and I remember walking out I was like billy jean defended her to my wife's credit, my wife defended her right. But I was just like, I just really kind of thought she came off kind of repetitively naggy, whiny, by like halfway through the movie I was like are they going to give her any character development?

40:42 Because they didn't give her anything to make her justify and redeem her nagginess. Yeah, it was just like yeah, you're right, her nagginess. Yeah, it was just like yeah, you're right like paul was gonna end up becoming emperor and take uh empress and you're not his empress, honey, and you either get to be a concubine or not and like it's just one of those things where it was like I think that is more writing less than diet as an actress. You know what I mean it just I think they just didn't because they also changed it from the book. Like in the book she has a journey of faith where she comes to believe. At least is what I've been told. I've never I haven't read the book. Um, she also was a much smaller character in the book, so they made her a pretty big role in the movie.

41:28 So maybe there just wasn't enough to fill out that role, right? from the source material. You know what I mean. Yep, I agree, I agree. And then, like the people, the supporting cast is where all the big dogs really are javier bardem, rebecca ferguson, which my wife knows. Rebecca ferguson, I just think, is so beautiful. I I think it's just because she's like the most Irish looking woman I've ever seen. Yeah you know I mean, um, but uh, josh Brolin, austin Butler, it's like so stacked, like it's crazy when you think like Dave Bautista, basically as the equivalent of a cameo, because of how stacked this cast is with like all these other people in it.

42:10 Um, I thought his character also just like beast radon or whatever his name beast I know, it's not radon, that's from elden ring, but that's all I can remember. It is beast rabban. Uh, it's kind of like a total puss, like just gets absolutely like crapped on. He never, like he's never winning, yeah, and then he just then gurney, just ices him, gets like his vengeance. I thought that was a great scene. That was excellent. It was a great fight scene. To just have it be short, yeah, he just, and billy jean said the same thing. She was like I liked that, like I liked that the comb, like the very intense standoff dance scene, yeah, was the final fight scene, yeah, and that when it came to like this is war, uh-huh, we are not going to take time to have like, hey, circle up, boys cheer us on.

42:58 It's like this is war. I need to move through you. Yeah, I don't have time for any talk it was like what two moves? Yeah, they're like. I can't remember what was the finishing move, was it brachial? artery straight in the neck, just straight in the neck, straight in the straight in the soft bottom of the below the adam's apple. Yeah and uh, the you know because too. Yeah, and they do this in the final big fight scene, but, like you know, because you got to have your guy get knocked down, maybe he's not going to make it but he gets up again. He gets up again. But no, this is just just he's not down, but he gets up, yeah is happening. Yeah, Jumbo Wamba, Josh Brolin just like up to just knife in the neck, because and I wonder if they had this in the back of their mind too one of the greatest fight scenes of all time is in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

43:44 Yeah. And all it is is this guy, this big, scary dude similar to Dave Bautista, gets out a big old scimitar and he's waving it around and you know, just kind of like how Bautista's whip was, a little. You know this ominous weapon, and then you know Indy just pulls out his gun and shoots him. It's one of the most iconic fight scenes of all time, in my personal opinion scenes of all time. In my personal opinion and, uh, my favorite is how like overused that. The real trivia behind this thing is that it's now a meme on the internet, right? have you seen that? Yeah, like I wasn't gonna say it because I don't want to say it, like we'll say it now, but like I wasn't gonna say it as if I was adding knowledge, I just love.

44:28 It's gotten to the point where people just say this trivia fact randomly in YouTube comments. Right, that's how funny it is. But did you know that that scene was a result of Harrison Ford having bad diarrhea and being exhausted? There we go, all right. I just had to say it Even further. people may not know is that tons of the cast and crew was wiped from a bad meal. Oh, really, it wasn't just him. Because who's the guy um his steven spielberg? Yeah, steven spielberg, george lucas, george lucas, but that his his sidekick. Oh, but the big guy dr jones dr jones. No, no, the the big arab guy. Yeah, his name uh, he's not actually arab, yeah, but but he's, he has the gremlin.

45:08 His name is yeah. Yeah, he talks about he like he thought like he was gonna die john rice davis. Yeah, john davis, he talks about a story about how this nurse came in to like bad dates yeah, yeah, bad dates. And this nurse came in and just left because of like, he's like, he's like I had just like ruined my room so disgustingly. A nurse came in and just left, like left me there, but anyways, so, yeah, the uh, I think that that was a well done fight scene. I just liked it was just uh, uh, great. You just took him out because, too, from the first movie, I mean, uh, josh bullen's character, gurney, was on a mission, like his only real mission in life, besides supporting paul, protect the atreides was mostly, though, a mission of vengeance.

45:56 You know, he was like because that, because, uh, it was uh, patista's character is the guy who killed paul's dad. Right, he was the one he was kind of technique, I mean he helped do it right. Yeah, I mean he was, he was, yeah, so he was there, so he was just like on a mission to just avenge his king right. Yeah, no, it was great and that's like the other thing. One of the biggest changes from the book is that in the books, paul doesn't let. Why am I forgetting his name? G, g, g, g, g, gurney, gurney. All I could think of was Gunnery. It's a weird name. I it's a weird name, I'm dyslexic. But he doesn't let Gurney get revenge. He tells him to stand down and then he kills Beast Rabba.

46:37 He takes the thunder, so it was kind of cool that Denis Villanueva was like nah man, we all want to see it. Let's give the people what they want. And like I don't know, but like when Timothee Chalamet is, like you know, 50 years old, I wonder what he's going to look like, just comparatively to like Brolin. What a beast man Seriously. And I don't like in the world of like toxic masculinity being a horrible thing, I'm just like Whatever, but Brolin is just a man. He's a man's man, just is just a man, he's a man's man. Just just look, I'll be, I'll, I'll be. You know not, uh, what's the term?

47:17 I won't be homophobic and afraid to call another man hot, but you got to accept that I'm calling him hot because he's a toxically masculine. Okay, yeah, no, but uh, we were talking about offline. But, like you know, both him and, uh, javier bardem, they almost look younger in this movie and I get like they're not. I get like there's wrinkles and stuff like that and you know their skin's a little bit more age, but to me they almost look more. Maybe it's also the way they move seems more youthful than when they were counter each other. In no country for old men which I see that movie and I watch that movie about once every couple of years and it always shocks me, like in my mind I pictured them a lot older, as like from a kid, when I first saw the movie, right, and then I watch it.

48:06 I'm like, wow, dude, like Josh Brolin looks like a freaking baby almost in this movie, but like you, but you also see him now and you're like he still looks really good, like he still looks very youthful Right. And so, anyways, I just thought it was cool also too that, like Javier Bardem, josh Brolin Outlander Desert Guns and they get to be buddies this time. Yeah, and they both live to the end. You know what I mean. Like, and they get to be buddies this time. Yeah, and they both lived to the end. You know what I mean. Like I just thought it was so awesome and they talk about it behind the scenes. I don't know if you've seen any behind the scenes interviews, but they were just like, they just teased each other. They were constantly teasing each other, but you could tell they were like you know it's 10 times yeah, like the pressure's, like, like you know, the other people got to carry this thing right and they just had to show up and do their thing and have fun, do it.

49:01 And they're already like they're, they're professionals, they can, they can do it in their sleep at this point, like you just show up, dress up all fun and do your thing and then, like they act, like they say cut you, go back and you're just hanging out like you're. I feel like it's like a it's a good old time, like it's a well-earned spot to be in, just to be like, yeah, we're having fun here and like these two in this. For these two guys like, uh, my country for old men came out in like like 2009, like six, oh it's seven so like it's like so, like this much further down the road now, like where they're able to just like uh, just a honed craft and they're just and I had to have. They've had a friendship for a long time. They just have a good old time, yeah it's awesome.

49:41 I do love that stuff like uh, you know, it's kind of like the woody harrelson and math me kind of effect right like you could tell like their filmography of when they've gotten to kind of be on set together and you could tell like their filmography of when they've gotten to kind of be on set together and you could tell like they're really good buds right and like that's kind of the same thing with these two, and like they're not trying. Yeah, it's very authentic, right? Yeah, it's good, um, anyways, uh, spoilers yeah, yeah, all right. Um, so the whole plot. Yeah. Revolves around that there's this group of women, an organization, perhaps you could say, not a religion, but a sect Of a societal organization, known as the Bene Gesserit, who, whether or not the rest of the world is in on it it's not entirely clear to me or the rest of the galaxy, but the Bene?

50:38 Gesserit is clearly pulling strings in order to be the concubines of many of the like, the emperor, the baron, the duke, all these different houses, so that way they can get pregnant and then eventually mix all these bloodlines to create what is the ideal superhuman right. And in doing so, though, they plant these seeds through, you know, like and essentially it's like. It's not, it's not necessarily like magic when I say this Like. This is literally like, as best I understand from the movie and the story, through generations of selective breeding and mixing bloodlines and just millennias of mankind being out in the stars, they've literally genetically selected and reproduced individuals who are capable of telepathy, capable of, like, uh, psychic command, like we see, um, you know, paul atreides do, and use the voice right, and so, like.

51:47 They use those abilities to plant the seeds of prophecy Right, and they've been writing this prophecy of who the Messiah is going to be for. I don't know, I can't remember if it specifies, but I believe over a thousand years and they've been planting it in these people on Arrakis to have an expectation of a savior that will come, and the idea is that they genetically selected over generations to have this perfect paula treaties to fulfill the prophecy and his mother would also be one of the benedict conubines to help guide the the prophecy and so it's like, because it's almost like, like a like a freemason society type thing going on with also a nunnery, but the opposite of nuns not doing it, meaning like they're grown up.

52:40 They do it a lot, they do it to then have, they're trained up and then sent out. Trained in seduction Selectively select somebody and then have a kid with them, and so it's a very kind of secret society, huge conspiracy theory type thing behind them. Not even a conspiracy, though it's happening. Right right, Like a conspiracy to manipulate and synthesize a messiah. And it's all about, at the end of of the day, what's the, what's the reason for the bene gesserit to just have ultimate control? To have control, yeah, like, so that, like the emperor and I think we see it really clearly in this movie the emperor has no control, right, like between.

53:26 Like the bene gesserit, at the emperor's side, literally told him we find out to destroy house of treaties, right, which is, and he would have never done it if she hadn't told him to do it. So it's like one of those things that you realize. Like the Bene Gesserit made up this whole prophecy. They made the whole thing up, planted it thousands of years ago through, you know, telepathy and manipulation in the minds of I can't remember what do they call them the people of arrakis do they have a specific the? fremen, yeah, um, and the fremen and the fremen, over time and time and time, have passed down the story of who the messiah will be and uh, of course, the bene? Gesserit have been creating this messiah. And so we see, uh, paul atreides and his mother in the beginning of this movie, both on the same page.

54:13 She is there to help him and guide him as he like to fulfill these fake messianic prophecies that he is supposed to fulfill in order to gain the loyalty of the Fremen. But what was very interesting to me was that in the, you know, I knew, I knew from the books, from like what my friends had told me, and such that Paul would become like he. He lets it get to his head in the books and he believes maybe I am a Messiah, maybe this is beyond manipulation and this is true divine destiny. In the movie it flips and we see Jessica after she takes on all the memories of the mother.

55:00 I can't remember what they called her, but she was a specific, the reverend mother, yeah, the reverend mother. She believes like oh no, this is not a false prophecy. This is. It's almost like manifestation. Yeah, this is real like the thing they've been, even though they've been synthesizing to a messiah. Yeah, now this is actually the real deal yeah, and like she truly believes paul is a met messiah, um, and like we see that consistently throughout the rest of the movie and everything she did, like rebecca ferguson's character never once compromises on like the faith that paul is a messiah. After that, right, uh, paul takes a long time. But also, when we see paul uh, drink the waters of life, he goes into a coma, pretty much claimed to be dead, and then he resurrects from that due to the tears mixed with the waters of life, tears of Shani crying over his death.

55:55 And as he comes back he is fully like, nope, I am the Messiah. And like before that he was like this is something I got to do just to fulfill it. So these people follow me. And if I don't do it, then like they shouldn't follow me anyways, because then it is a shame If I'm not willing to do this and go this far, I'm not a leader worthy of their loyalty. And then it's after that he's like no no, no, I am God. I am the Messiah, and I can't tell, though, if he believes he is that in a divine sense or if he feels that he can be. That Does that make? sense, I think he believes it because of the visions he's had. You know, he had the visions of his sister growing up on an Arrakis with an ocean, and I think he legitimately believes like, oh, it's not just me following a prefabricated story Right, I really will deliver this.

56:51 And they just needated story Right, I really will deliver this. And they just need to listen, right. Which is like what's the difference? At that point, Right. That's the real question. Right Is like if the prophecy is that you will save us and deliver us and the person who will do that meets XYZ, and then someone comes along and meets XYZ. They fabricated the whole story and they're meeting XYZ because they fabricated it, right. But if they really do save you and deliver you and end the conflict, whatever conflict is, that's messianic Right. You know what I mean. So what's the point? Exactly.

57:31 Is it really fabricated or not? It's true, that is what a Messiah does. Right, and my thing is, I couldn't figure out while watching it if I was supposed to be a believer or not. Yeah, that was the other thing. I was like I was on the fence the whole time. I was like, yeah, this is such a scam and they're totally pulling the wool over these people is such a scam and they're totally pulling the wool over these people. But, like, also it's kind of a good thing because they are here to help them and, like paul's clearly cares about them and and has, in a sense, supernatural ability. Oh yeah, like even from the first movie you know, he's like voice, he's he clearly. He clearly has these abilities other people doesn't have and has a uniqueness other people don't have and is positioned with authority that other people don't have.

58:18 And so you know, and that's why I love Javier Bardem's character, is maybe my favorite character in the whole movie Stilgar. He's just a like, faithful believer and to the end and not without action or not without like. Not one who sits by idly waiting to be saved. He's also like to be fair. He's also like a classical, not objectionist. Not objection is it's the term for when someone incorporates a conflict to the faith to justify the faith.

59:00 I'm trying to remember, remember where, like Paul, denies he's the Messiah and, like Stilgar's first reaction is like it is said, he will be humbled, more humbled than anyone. This is him demonstrating his humility. And then he picks Stelgar's first reaction is like it is said, he will be humble, more humble than anyone. Right, this is him demonstrating his humility. And then he picks, like Lisan al-Gaib, the desert mouse to be his name. And he's like what a truly humble, yet noble name. It's like no matter what, as long as he didn't outright contradict entirely, like the faith, like and commit like sacrilege, yeah, no matter what stilgar was going to justify it. You know he was always going to justify everything right, regardless of the contradictory right, because if you have a complicated enough theology, yeah, you can always tie something to it, right in that sense.

59:51 So, yeah, there is that and and like, but just something about his faithfulness and his conviction to it. He's not a faker like he is, he is a true believer. And funny because the term true believer is a dangerous term because it's um weaponized and or routinely associated with radicalized individuals and closed-mindedness. Yeah, but there's also. There's something I find value in someone who also is like, true believer to their conviction and to their like. There's like they are who they are, and so I think that his character and Josh Brolin's character, gurney, are in direct opposition to this.

1:00:40 Yeah. But at the same time their end result and end goal, because they are the same. Like it's just too. Did you see my thing here about loyalty, fealty versus faith? No. And like what's the difference? No, I don't, so I have a little note here, but like I don't have a conclusion on it, but that was, that was what I saw it. As is like you have Gurney, who is just as loyal as Stilgar, is faithful, right, but in the end the manifestation is the same Right, like the manifestation of that loyalty and the manifestation of that faithfulness is the same reason, like same thing out of both of their characters, right? Um, that, like, no matter what Paul did, gurney would die for him.

1:01:24 Same with Stilgar, right, you know? And so it's one of those things of like, like I don't have an answer. What is the difference between loyalty and faith? Like I don't have an answer. What is the difference between loyalty and faith? I don't think Gurney, like Gurney, certainly did not believe Paul was the Messiah, right? He was in on it Right he was in on. Like this is arranged Right, but this is my king Right and I feel like it's a, I feel like in my so like in my own, like faith walk or as a person of faith. Yeah. These two things we're talking about are something that I actually pendulum between. Loyalty to God versus faith and rely on in my. When your faith is weak, your loyalty kicks in, yeah yeah. When your loyalty is weak, your faith kicks in, yeah, father God, I failed to adhere, but I have faith that you'll forgive me.

1:02:11 Yeah. Father God, god, I failed to adhere. Yeah, I have faith that you'll forgive me. Yeah, father god, I just don't know what your plan is, if I believe in it, but I will remain loyal you know exactly, stick with the hard road, yeah, and that's like that's probably the truth. I mean, that's like because I feel like we're getting off of movie review here a little bit, but I feel like I think that's what we see, though, yeah and that's what, and because I feel like this is usually in the shower for me. It's like, yeah, usually while I'm about to walk Right and I'm just like. It's the journey between the car and the front door. Yeah, and good movies, good stories, I feel like always, in my personal opinion, the pieces and things we love about movies and good story, I think, actually speak to a deeper thing in us. And good story, I think, actually speak to a deeper thing in us.

1:02:54 And then also speak to, I think, to the story of Christ, which you could say that also, maybe the story of Christ just appeals to us because there's something in us. Oh, maybe the image of God, or I'm saying to argue against like. Oh, the image of God To be like, oh no, like. The Jesus story is just the same thing as a good movie. That's why it appeals to you. I see that too. It's the hero's journey. And that's what I'm saying too. Between loyalty and faith, I'm just like all right, like I use them both in my own life, yeah, and so these two characters are like the embodiment of those things. Yeah, yeah, no, just about. Is Jessica good? Yeah, because I it's hard to tell bro.

1:03:38 Is she just a jealous mother? I'll tell you. When she started talking to her tummy, I was like this is something. Yeah, she's psychotic. I'm trying to figure out what's happening, but then by the, because, if I'm remembering right in the movie in the beginning she's talking to her stomach by. If I'm remembering right in the movie in the beginning she's talking to her stomach. By the end she's having a conversation with her stomach. Is the voice always in the tummy at the beginning? Yeah, it is or is it just in the? end. So the whole idea another change from the book like the pregnancy is rapidly shortened after she drinks the water of life. After she drinks the water of life because they didn't think she was pregnant when she took it. When she does, her and the baby both receive all of the memories of all of the Reverend mothers, and so that baby comes out very quickly and ages rather quickly and has the ability to talk at like one years old in complete senses.

1:04:31 Reverse Benjamin Button Exactly Like she and she. She's just as wise as Rebecca Ferguson's character, jessica. Like she, she's just she, and so like. It's kind of one of those things of like. If you just received every single memory of every US president, and so did your son and you were the only two with all of that information, of everything they were told, everything they lied about, whatever, you're probably just going to talk to each other. You're like there's no one else you're going to talk to, and so that's kind of like that concept I see here right, and so it's one of those things of like the conversations though she has internally are questionably moral. You know what I mean.

1:05:20 Like some of the things her and her unborn, uh, daughter discuss are like is she good? Are they good? Do they have our best interests at heart? Right, and like is she just? Like? There's a classic character archetype which is just a jealous mom who's you know, my son is the greatest. I will, I will lie for him, I will, you know, in the you see this all the time where it's like this, like the mom who will literally do anything for her son, be it over into dark evil, things over into great sacrifice, things right. Like like I'll do anything for my son and so is that her, because I never get like a, I never get a goodness from her character. Yeah, I get a believer-ness, the radical believer, by the end of the movie.

1:06:00 I'm like that's the difference between her and Stilgar, stilgar, 100% faith, her radicalized Right, like happy to use the family nukes if need be. Right, you know what I mean, right? But okay, the lore stuff, the world stuff, I just want to talk about it briefly and just kind of again question you know, worm travel is sick. I loved, like, the idea of like, yeah, the only way we can get through the um, uh, what's the term for gosh dude? People are gonna think I'm dumb because I'm forgetting all these terminology. I'm just exhausted. But uh, the equator, the equator on arrakis, just has this permanent massive storm and like the only way to go to the southern hemisphere, the southern tribes of the feminine, is just riding a worm.

1:06:50 Yeah, I just thought that was sick, yeah, I thought that was so cool of like worm, worm train yeah and everyone's just riding on the back of the worm. I thought that was pretty cool. Is the like, the visual storytelling of, like how they're showing how to ride a worm and drive it and never did they ever have dialogue explaining what to do it. Just it gets to the scene where paul is learning how to do it and then the next scene of like him riding, getting his own worm and riding it. And like, the visual storytelling of the scales, pores, whatever you want to call them, orifice orifices open up and as they are pulled and opened and sand blows into them, that makes the worm pull in that direction and, like I immediately knew within a minute everything I needed to know about how they controlled these worms, right, and it was all visual, biological, yep, and it was like, okay, cool.

1:07:53 Yeah, show not tell, no plot hole. And there's something in the heart of mankind, too, that just gets ramped up, about people riding a wild shit, a wild, a wild steed yeah, it's like it's the moby dick fantasy. Yeah like yeah this big thing that I beat yeah. Or like the stallion it's untamed and the hero's on that thing now, oh yeah, heading to rescue like it just has that. Those vibes, I will say my, maybe one like critique would be like we never saw them dismount a worm. It's true. How do you pump the brakes? How do? you get off. How do? You get off the worm I think you know what I think it is. I think it's exactly like the uh conveyor belts at the airport.

1:08:36 Yeah, Like you just are like standing on it. And then, as it comes to an end, you just do that big step off, big step, and then everyone's like all right, everybody stand up. And as the worm starts like curving down into the earth, you just big step off and kind of run it out. Yeah, because it's that, it's the, it's the. How does I understand how one athletic individual gets on the worm. I don't understand how you get a tent full of people on a worm or how you get off a worm and I don't care, like for the sake of the movie. I just was kind of like good point, like how do you not end up down in the sand? it's true, down, down there, like how do you just not end up like skipping across the sand like a stone? right, or like being carried into the dead, or maybe, I guess, as the as this, as because the sand is like moving through the, the mouth of the worm.

1:09:26 I think it filters through it. Right. And so then, I guess, just as it enters down into the ground, the sand on the top of the worm is coming up and that's why the furmen always come up out of the sand, maybe because they just like got done riding the worm. Now they're buried like only two feet. They just pop out. I don't know. But anyways, the worm riding was from a cinematic aspect, was just cool to watch. It was sick and, like you said, dude, when those three worms come out of the smoke. That was baller. Oh yeah, that was insane. There was a couple scenes in this movie that made me think I'm going to get a print of that in a huge wall-sized poster. The three worms coming out were definitely one.

1:10:09 The scene where, um, and we haven't even talked about the two big bad guys, right uh yeah um, but the uh, oh, what's his name? Oh, fade rafa fade rafa. When fade rafa and paul are crossing swords, there's like this super wide screen shot of them, silhouetted crossing knives yeah, and the sun dune in the background in the background like yeah, that's one. And then that one was one that I saw. I was like how did they make that look so clean? Yeah, it was very I 100 believe that is on another planet and that is the background of another planet. You know what I mean right and and there's lots of other things. Throughout the whole movie I was like I want to make that into a poster I think a big one for me, uh, and I I'm happy you mentioned that because I was like I could watch a whole movie on the harkonnen homeworld.

1:10:59 I could watch a whole movie. Takes place on a planet with a black sun. Right and everything is that like gray scale color Cause, that was awesome. I thought those visuals were insane. Excuse me, I got yawn hiccups all of a sudden. I thought the like just immediately recognizing like first firework goes off. I'm like what's that inky smoke? And I was like wellwork goes off. I'm like what's that inky smoke? And I was like, well, actually I guess that makes sense. If this is the type of light your star is making, you wouldn't have fireworks because you wouldn't be able to see them Right, so you would have a negative Splotchworks, yeah, and I was like that's sick as hell.

1:11:39 Yeah, like that whole play in it. I was like I could watch a full movie, like I could watch a whole 90 minutes to you know hour and a half. Wait, that's the same thing. Yeah, I could watch a whole 90 minutes to two hours taking place on like a story on the Harkonnen planet Right, where it's just that kind of aesthetic which was also just excellently done, like if you watch sin city, you can tell like this is a lot of post, uh, like post filming effects done to make this black and white and CGI look good. And you can even like, with that black and white you can clearly tell in a movie like sin city, like what is CGI?

1:12:20 Whereas like again dude, like the set pieces, the Coliseum on that planet yeah, did not look cgi to me, right? Um, which I just thought was another, like you know, pretty impressive thing. Yeah, one critique in that area for me was and maybe throughout this is our was hard with sci-fi, because there is, the foundation of all sci-fi is star wars, yeah, but like they had like a Jabba the Hutt announcer as the essentially Jabba the Hutt character was being rolled out you know who's the fat man? Baron. Harkonnen, baron Harkonnen, yeah, like it was just funny. It just was like just use a different voice. Yeah, it was too Jabba, this is Star Wars, exactly.

1:13:04 I was like all right, just back off the Star Wars, do your own thing hey to be fair, Star Wars was based off of Dune, I guess To be true, book-wise, the book came out before Well like George Lucas said, I wanted to do Dune, but a little bit lighter Right. So there's a good point. Good point there. They're allowed to rip from it some someone, like someone in their car, listening. This is like thank you. I've been telling people that for years. Anyways, um, um the okay, all right, here's my concern though here's my plot hole the worms drown in water. that's what we see revealed with the young worm when they get the water of life out of it.

1:13:44 Right, paul has visions of his grown sister, aaliyah, on Arrakis slash Dune, with oceans, which means the worms are drowned. The oceans would kill the worms, which means the spice trade is done. Which means, for a lot of people who don't know, it's not very expressly stated, but the way they travel through space is with, like uber, spiced up people, people so spiced up they can literally plot points through space for faster than light travel is the spice also uses like fuel, or is it just for the calculators? I think it's just for the calculators.

1:14:27 So without spice there'd be no space travel, unless you had worms moved on to another planet to make spice again, which would take thousands of years. So for me I'm just thinking of that and I'm like that's got to be something that they didn't overlook, that's got to be incorporated somehow into the plans of this story. Again, I haven't read all the books or anything, so it's hard for me to know like is that truly the end vision? Like eliminate the worms, eliminate the spice, eliminate war. Right, I don't know If it's. You know, it's basically like, just like a parallel theme here would be a sandy place with a highly lucrative substance in the ground that imperialistic countries that allows them to travel to the place.

1:15:11 Yeah, that imperialistic countries will kill and war over in order to fuel their endeavors. Oh my, gosh yeah, oh, my gosh Dune is an allegory to the war over oil in the Middle East, with individuals who subscribe to a very intense religion of things right. So anyways, with all that being said is wood, from the Fremen perspective, the aboriginals of the planet, would the end goal to be to just go back to not having space travel and just having their own thing going on?

1:15:59 I think it would Right. Right, I don't think they, I think they only know the worms, but I think they'd accept that in order to like, get their planet and freedom back the worms would die out Because. are Fremen interested in space travel? I don't think, so Are they? interested in having a Nalgene full of water. I mean at the end of the book they're like at the end of the book they're like let's go to space. Yeah, they do space travel. Mount to space yeah, they do space travel. Mount up yeah, they do. They do take the offensive at that point. But you know, it's like I think they'd be more interested in, like you know, a cup full of water than uh yeah, than uh space travel. So which also the first movie ends. The whole ending of the first movie is like after paul kills frayed ratha. Uh, literal thunderstorms.

1:16:40 Clouds start like thunder and lightning and rain falls from the sky. That's the ending of the. Are you meaning Janus or whatever? Huh, you said Frey, frey Ratha. Isn't that the guy he just killed? Yeah, in the end of the first movie. Like the first original movie. Oh, like the Frank Herbert movie. Oh, the original movie With Kyle MacLachlan, okay, okay. Yeah, he has the fight with Fade Ratha, uh-huh. And once he kills him it's pretty messianic. I mean, it's straight out of the Bible, straight out of Lion King, like the stone. When the rain comes and restores the wilderness. Not what I mean. I mean out of the Bible the cloth is torn, the tabernacle is cracked and storms come overhead.

1:17:23 Right, you know what I mean, and that's it's like it's exactly what's depicted in the bible when jesus dies on the cross. It's what happens when uh paul kills uh fade roth in the first movie, and then, you know, rain comes down and that's how it ends of like just this, like arrakis will now have a future of a paradise. So I wonder, though, like if that's what I don't know Again, like I said, I haven't read any of the books, but that's where I see the plot a little like it'll kill all the worms. That's true. We talked a lot about all these differences. One of the ones that I thought was just the most whack when I read it was Aaliyah. Paul's sister is born at this point in the books.

1:18:06 She ages really quickly and she, as a two-year-old, assassinates Baron Harkonnen with the poison needle, the Gamjabar of the Bene? Gesserit, and sticks him and he dies, which I'm happy they didn't try to make that real. Like Chucky doll. Yeah, real hard, didn't try to make that real Like Chucky doll. Yeah, they've been real hard. They've been real hard to believe that Chani we talked about how she plays a much bigger role. But in the books she remains loyal to Paul and even as Paul takes the Empress as his wife, she willingly remains his concubine. She kind of just becomes like a yes man for him and cheers him on all the time, which is a pretty two-dimensional I guess.

1:18:50 But also not letting her develop into that while having her so staunchly opposed is also kind of two-dimensional, right. I'd be interested to see like if she even gets screen time in the third movie because they have a child called let named leto and leto's kind of like a big deal. Screen time in the third movie because they have a child called let named leto and leto's kind of like a big deal, I guess, in the rest of the books and the. I feel like she doesn't believe him. Even she obviously doesn't believe he's the messiah, the messiah figure, the madi, but like the um, the scene before the big fight scene where he takes on frayed ratha, he, he does two things that are a big deal.

1:19:34 He turns to her and he says as long as I breathe, I will love you because he knows, bro. Yeah, he knows if he wins this, he ain't gonna see her ass again. Yeah, and he knows if he loses, he's dead freaking dead right. So he just tells her like, as long as I believe, as long as I breathe, I, I will love you and he turns and then basically, the next thing he says is hey, christopher walken which I have something to say about that in a second too but, christopher walken, can I marry? I'll marry your daughter, yeah, right. And so it's like, and? And then he takes on this you know crazy, scary, psychopathic villain to fight him, and so the two things that happen he risks his life as well as pledges himself to marry somebody, but like she doesn't maybe see the bigger picture, or maybe she does, I don't know.

1:20:23 Maybe I give enough credit, but it's just like I feel like throughout the whole thing, he is like kind of doing this thing of like, okay, I, you are the one, but I, unfortunately, unfortunately, I am god I have a, a bigger fish to fry, yeah, and like, and so it's like uh, I think it doesn't even show like a piece of her being torn, it just shows her at the end just being like eff it just pissed and bitter and she's like the only fremen to stay behind that's what I was wondering too I was like you're just gonna die on her, you're just gonna ride a worm till you die, like there's nothing else to do here. So that's what my question is like, for, since they have strayed so far from the books for the third part of this, will she be reincorporated?

1:21:09 Will there be restoration there? Will she be like an arch enemy? Will she be both? I mean, they didn't really allude to her being pregnant at all by the end of this book. I mean by the end of this movie. Besides that, intercourse was had. Yeah Right, like that's all we know. Is they done, did it? Yeah, and I think the big thing is like, by the end of this book, like she's already given birth to Leto and so, like part of me wonders if he's just going to be like, yeah, that's it, she's done. She remained loyal to who she was as a character and Leto will, and let all just be born of paul and the empress I don't know. You know, and the there's six main dune books. There's 23. So there's six books made by the original author there's 23 overall dune books.

1:21:54 Overall holy shit so also, like I all I know is too, is like after like the first book, it gets wild right. So like like, what is what's out there? what's the movie writers and directors plan for, like putting a cap on it and or like you know, letting it rest for 10 years, I don't know, but like, because it's such a big story, like where will they compress stuff and where will they, like, launch it forward and where they leave stuff out? Because I doubt that they're following book for book no way, right, I think I think it's. I think they're following book for book. No way, right. I think they're going to end it like maybe maybe somewhere after the second book. But even then the second book is wild, from what I understand. Like I heard spoilers folks I heard Paul turns into like a fucking worm human hybrid.

1:22:40 Wow, yeah, so like he does so much spice, he turns wormy and like I was just like pretty intense dog. But these, these books, that's pretty out that would be hard to sell to an audience. Yeah, these books were started to be written in the mid 60s through like oh, and frank herbert did a shitload of lst. Yeah, I was about to say like a lot if you're not seeing the trend on like some like total, like 60s dude writing this thing and like apparently the whole book is a like the spice melange and all that is like allegory to the how like shrooms are like the most essential element of our ecosystem. Right, and I'm just like, maybe you only adapted so far and you accept that, like the rest of it, is best left to people who do shrooms, which will never be the majority of the population.

1:23:29 Yeah. That said, though, I see we had a lot of trivia theories here, and I was hoping you could kind of get into those. Yeah, you know, because you read through a lot of these. Yeah, no, I think these get into some of the like. These are the trivia here's like more around, like actor specific, outside of the story stuff. But, um, you know, from within the movie here I feel like they've had these, you know, and I haven't looked up if people are upset or happy with the movies the big dune fans now, of course you're always gonna have people going both ways. But, um, just from like the, I feel like they're giving it credit where credits do, on the like the size and scale, the huge casting, the huge production, like the huge cinematic piece given like and like, giving a good story like and so like.

1:24:24 There's, while it's straying from probably some of the lore and some of the things, like there really seems to be, you know, doing a good job of, of putting something to film. Um, my only, the only really weird big miss for me, is christopher walken is the emperor. Yeah, I liked it really. I mean it. I like he had, like what? five lines, so it wasn't like he could mess it up, right, well, but he talked like christopher walking, did he? And he would slip in and out of his like full walking, or like into, like, like yeah, and then like be like he'd like slip in, oh yeah like I'm exactly, like he would go full walk-in and then like into, like a regal voice too, but Arrakis, exactly.

1:25:10 And so, yeah, Arrakis, or whatever he's like, you know, spice melange, exactly. It just was like I don't know man. Like it'd be better to have a no-name. Old old name. Old old man up there. Maybe I I don't know I liked it. I mean I didn't like I guess I didn't like it, I didn't care. What I love is some of these reddit posts. One of them goes does christopher walken know that he is in a dune movie? and then like from there it gets like, it just goes on from there, but it's like so people were people just roasting it because he was he like they just felt like he didn't act like they felt, like he didn't give it an effort to disguise himself. So he filmed all of his scenes in two weeks, yeah, which this movie took a long time to make.

1:25:54 Also, it's like he's old, he's at this point so typecat, like it's any movie where there's certain people. So, for instance, the success of something like star wars was that, like we didn't have a lot of preconceived notions of who those people were, and now you have a big star cast right, which is fine, but like christopher walken is just so iconic, like it wasn't christopher walken playing the emperor, it was the Emperor Of Dune is Christopher Walken. That's what it does, right, and so it was just this For me, like I mean the President of America Was Donald Trump. So yeah, but like, what I'm saying is Like the difference between like, when you cast a character, this, this person is supposed to play that character right, and just like because he's so iconic, it's just like.

1:26:45 Yeah, I think you might as well have had donald trump be the emperor. People that would have been awesome. People would have loved it more because they would have hated him more, loved him more on both sides of it, and so for me that was the only thing, because the, the movie, the movie opened up with his face. I think, like, like, like, maybe I think it opened up with his face and I was just was like, what the hell am I watching? Like what are they doing. It's awesome. You know, I put my pants on like every other man, two feet at a time. But when, I do? I make gold records, you know, like, just like. Side note in college, whenever we were doing our Christopher Walken impersonation, my buddy and I we'd always just start with it was a video somewhere some actor was doing his impersonation.

1:27:27 He's like, yeah, I just say over and over to myself pineapple and fart the way christopher walken would, until I'm like convinced it's christopher walken. Like pineapple fart, yeah, but pineapple like it's like. It's like you just keep doing it until, like, you work out like where the hiccups are and you're in it, bro, oh yeah but I love it and, like uh, one of my favorite videos I've seen lately is actually of uh dave grohl. The yeah, he does do a good job. He does a good job, but he just talks about he's like. He's like back when, like nirvana, or back when uh fooers was on SNL for the first time he's like Christopher Walken was hosting. He came up to me and he's like hey, you know where's the emphasis?

1:28:12 Is it on Foo or Fighters? He's like, oh, it's on Fighters. And so he's like, and he told because Dave Grohl knew how Christopher Walken talks to the point where he told him where the emphasis was as a joke and he's like, he's like and uh, tonight we have the foo fighters I didn't watch that video, bro, and I thought it was so funny because you don't want to be like fighters, you know. You didn't want to emphasize the foo, yeah and like the fact that, uh, there's just no emphasis, it's the foo fighters, you know, like, but it's just foo yeah. And the fact that there's just no emphasis it's the foo fighters, yeah, but it's just foo fighters, yeah. So, anyways, walken for me. I love Christopher Walken. It just pulled me out of a sci-fi flick. That's all I'm saying.

1:28:53 Well, you know what, maybe I got to watch it again just for that, because I think he was on screen more than he was talking. You know what I mean? Yeah, so I think there's a lot like where I just probably wasn't thinking like, oh, that's just Christopher Walken talking. Side note, if you love Christopher Walken, one of the best movies I think to watch is the Irishman. I mean that's good. But I was thinking of the. It's not the Irishman. Seven Psychopaths. Oh yeah. What is it called Like Seven Psychopaths in the Desert or something like that? It's with Colin Farrell and Sam Can't remember his name.

1:29:33 I'll look it up, but Christopher Walken just like absolutely excellent in that movie. I mean it has, like some of his best Christopher Walken lines Sam Rockwell, Christopher Walken, Colin Farrellody harrelson yeah pretty studded cast um, but anyways, uh, all right, bro, I get it. You can have one thing that you didn't like about it. Okay, that's all. That's fair, and I love christopher walken. It just was like what am I watching right now? that's funny. That's funny. Um, all righty, uh, give me this trivia dude. All right, etymology I see arabic etymology here. Yeah, just basically. Uh, you know they're, they're speaking this wild language throughout the whole. Uh, um, exactly, and so, uh, the term madi, which is, um, the what they call Paul's character, it's an Arabic word that means divine guidance, and so, like a messiah, divine guidance, and so the language that the Fremen used throughout the novels derives from Arabic, but also contains some French, greek, slavic, other things that they throw in there.

1:30:42 They also had alterations of Hebrew and Sanskrit. So you know, basically. It makes sense when, in the future, there's people named Duncan Idaho. Yeah, that was like you know what. I mean, it makes sense that's such a wild name. But it's not that wild when you think about what we name people today. Right, but the fact that, like that name held on for 10,000 years or whatever, the fact that that name held on for 10,000 years, or whatever Dunes said. I guarantee you if you went back to a couple decades after Paris was made and you're like, yeah, there's a literal celebrity whose first name is Paris. People would be like, why would you do that? You know what I mean, Right? I think Dunk in Idaho makes sense. I think an idea of a melting pot of languages makes sense right and it makes sense for like the, the way that this, like we're saying earlier about kind of the themes of this movie setting up to like where we live, is, like you know, yeah, it's a, it seems to be, you know, a middle eastern culture, right, and so you got that stuff based in arabic.

1:31:44 Um, we haven't talked a lot about stellan, uh, scars guard's character, which, still in scars guard, we uh, the last movie we reviewed with him in it was morbius. No, he wasn't in. That was it. I thought he was. He was the only person worth a dang in the whole thing. Was he actually a scientist? He was. He was the doctor. Oh my gosh dude, and he was so underutilized, right. So this guy big time I mean he's just like I'd say this guy's not even he's not a big time actor, in that he's on anybody's radar, who's maybe not someone who's, you know, he's big.

1:32:25 Meaning like he's not a household name. I think he is for a certain generation, I think for our parents. I don't. I don't think you and I realize it, but I think all of our parents respect him right because of, like the things he's done, acting wise, I think for you and I it's like he's just he's just not zeitgeist enough for, like all of us, to know who he is and grow up with him as a household name, like we did with brad pitt, leonardo dicaprio well, you know what I mean. That's what I think. I don't know, like he just hasn't been a huge that I know of, like a huge leading role yeah, I don't think he's ever done leading roles really that's what I mean meaning he's not a huge leading man, lead man, but he is a like supporting a killer support role in me.

1:33:07 So, like you know, you have your. Uh, I think, like I was saying, like a soccer team got your lionel messi's right, just just you know they're the striker, they're putting it in the goal. But then also, like there's that guy who plays left wing who's like never scored a goal but his assist count is out the wazoo you know, like someone's got to pass the ball into the guy who knocks it in the net and like that's what he he is, that he is the um, he is that guy in the way that he is. Um, he really never takes the lead spotlight, but he is just a master craft actor who, um, who brings a ton to the screen bro.

1:33:49 Okay, all right, hold on. I gotta credit. He was not in morbius, he wasn't, he was a scientist in the thor movie in the thor movies, oh, okay he's in those, but I don't think he was in. Yeah, he wasn't in morbius I thought who was it? who was in? More, there's a different guy in morbius who's very similar to him, who's also not a very big deal guy we don't need to know, though we don't need to, I don't want to go. Look at that movie again anyways, that character, um, he is, um, his makeup took eight hours to put on and two hours to take off. That's 10 hours of time just before you've even, you know, without even filming anything, right?

1:34:32 I did think he was great in like he was in Good Will Hunting. He was in Hunt for Red October, like. Those are some of the first movies I can recall him being in that I saw. Oh, dude, here's the thing that unsettled me. What go ahead? I'm thinking of jared harris, oh, yeah, yeah you know, yep, he's very much also. He's that same guy who's like he's never the big lead man, but he, he wasn't. he was in the hbo miniseries for chobyl, which? also was Stellan Skarsgård. He was opposite Stellan Skarsgård that whole movie. But Stellan Skarsgård character in this, I think, was so unsettling to me because it reminded me of how sinister he was in the movie the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.

1:35:21 Have you seen that movie? I actually haven't seen it, bro. I'm not going to say another word, I just want you to know the red part of the book, bro. It's insane how dark that movie gets. To me, it was unreal. That's a movie you watch once and you're like I watched it. Yeah, it was good, but I don't ever need to watch it again. You know what I mean. Billie Jean and it was good, but like I don't ever need to watch it again. You know what I mean? Um, billy jean and I saw it and I think we were both like that was so good but so dark, uh, and just don't need to watch that a second time. Um, okay, but all right. So, yeah, his makeup took a freaking long time, which is believable because he's not that fat no, it was 40 kilos of like just rubber seat right, which that's like 80 pounds, 80 plus, yeah, pounds.

1:36:10 It's like that's crazy to put that much weight on, which he said actually helped him play the role, because he's like this helped me like be burdened and be like what I I need anti-gravity to get around. And the next guy you know, as far as trivia goes, like the main guy who was getting like attention in this, was Austin Butler and you know his big I think his big breakout role was Elvis. Yeah, I think that was his big one. You know big one that he did and he plays the I keep forgetting all these names of these people Fade Ratha, fade Ratha, he plays Fade Ratha and the he.

1:36:52 It's funny. Have you ever heard him do his? Well, have you seen Elvis? I have seen I couldn't finish it. I turned it off halfway. So, but like the, he can just like pull his voice into elvis yeah, it's pretty impressive. It was so good we did a great elvis impersonation. So in the same way like he, I think you know he takes his craft fairly seriously and that like he went and took vocal training to sound more like stellan skarsgard, to be like his son or his, you know like his, his nephew he did a really good job. Uh, that like guttural, like rumbling of a it's. It's essentially like if this is the way I think about it is like it's like throat singing, where if you hum and open your mouth while humming, I think like he learned how to do that subtly while talking yeah and uh also.

1:37:47 What I liked about was I didn't realize that was him. I've seen him in other stuff and I didn't realize it was him till like fair. Well, no eyebrows bald painted white and just and like, and his voice was so different and, like, you know, I couldn't, I didn't know who it was, which was good, because then all he was was fade rocker. He was just this eat this, this evil character, um, he put on 25 pounds of muscle, which is which is a lot of muscle for us, for a small guy. Yeah, um, and the I guess he's like a method actor guy, right, and he, he said that for this he chose not to be method because it was too dark of a role to sit in for that long, because it would. He just said it wouldn't be healthy for my family, my friends, for me, um, and then the director, uh, who said uh, um, he said when the camera was on, it was like you were possessed.

1:38:37 When the camera was off, you were still maybe 25 or 30% like possessed, and so he's like it was like just enough to that you wouldn't like kill anybody off camera, um, and so I think that he's gotten a lot of attention for his role in this. I think I don't know if I was personally that impressed by his performance of being an evil guy I mean, I thought he was an evil dude. I just like also think, like you can only do so much right, you know. I mean like what else what? How much further could you take it? Yeah? but, like I mean, I mean I thought he was an evil dude. I just also think you can only do so much Right. You know what I mean? How much further could you take it? Yeah, by kissing your uncle on the lips and then looking at the camera. Do you remember that scene?

1:39:18 No, there's a scene where the big head, honcho, he's coming down in his anti-gravity suit and kisses him on the lips and then he kisses him back and then has this weird like he turns. He doesn't fully look at the camera but turns and just has this weird like half smirk huh of like I'm about like it. Just it was weird and creepy, but anyways that's funny. I don't remember that that scene was. I remember it seemed just like that was very unsettling what I just watched, and it turns out that scene was actually, uh, um, improvised, like it just happened out that way. I'm like all right it, it worked, I felt. I felt. Still, skarsgård was like watch this, I'll kiss him and he won't know what to do, and then, like he kissed him back he was like all right, well, now what do we do? yeah, he was like uh, he flew the counter-attack.

1:40:00 Yeah, um, and with all this work on the sand nowadays with cgi, like you can do anything, but at the same time, the the more you can keep it all in the production. It is so much better of a movie and they had to have you know, anytime you're working in snow or sand or mud, you really have to have super strict discipline around uh, cast and crew, because a movie like this you have hundreds, if not a thousand people like around the scene. If it's just a scene of two people there, right. So on these sand dune scenes they had to have like crazy strict um rules on who's walking where and they were also really planning all their shots on where the sun, because the sun is a huge, the sun takes a huge role in this movie too, right, and so like, yeah, especially like for continuity, Right?

1:40:50 You know what I mean. And just these like crazy scenes of this, just this super orange, wild looking world. And so they had to, you know, plan every shot very meticulously around when and where the sun was rising, on what sand dune to get the most crazy effect. And you know, like when you're on a movie set, there's constantly people in and out fixing hair, resetting. They shoot the same scene 20, 40 times and you have to. The sand dune would look like a tourist site, right, and so they had to just like really have huge discipline around that, which is a very hard thing to do. And then also they had to have a pretty uh, serious crew to re, like they'd come out with like rakes and then blowers and make the sand dune look like no one had stepped on it in ages again.

1:41:38 And um, every movie has that where people reset and doing design on set design, but like, to do that in the sand every day, all day, would be such a huge undertaking. And they did. They did a really good job, I think, at that where I was thinking about that, the whole movie I was just thinking about this would be a nightmare to film all these, all these footprints, and so you know the last little little, I think piece of trivia would be. We've talked about him a few times, steven spielberg the great master. Here's what he he told to um dene vilanevu, which was um. He said this is a desert loving story.

1:42:19 But for such a desert loving film, there was such a yearning for water in this movie. For all the sand you have in this film, it's really about water, the sacred waters that are yearning for green meadows and the blue water of life. You film the desert to resemble an ocean, a sea. The sandworms were like sea serpents and the scene surfing the sandworms is one of the greatest things I have ever seen, ever. But you made the desert look like liquid, so like. Could you imagine being this director and being told that by that guy? yeah, no, I mean, I thought it was cool, greatest scenes I've ever seen.

1:43:01 Ever that scene, I don't know, I don't think so I I know, but like you, remember when the animatronic t-rex walked through the fence and you were like, oh, so they brought dinosaurs back for this movie, right? I know, I know, but hey, I didn't say it. Spielberg did like, just like, just the level of compliment on that, you know, just to be like you have arrived yeah, no, that's definitely for sure, like, and I definitely think it was awesome and it was very well done. Like I said, you totally forget you're watching something that's not real. I just thought there was bigger. I mean you know what? The scene that made me forget, like dumbfounded, shocked. The glass like smooth, perfectly reflecting glass sphere of the Emperor's ship.

1:43:46 The shot from under coming up at it. Yeah, and the way that flew over everything and I was like I believe this is real, because there is no part of me that has seen this reflected CGI, thinking that's CGI. I saw that and I was like no part of that was fake. That is exactly what that would look like Either. this is an insanely accurate miniature. Yeah, that is how it felt. I was like I'm watching one of the best filmed at 240 FPS miniatures I've ever seen. Or this took 838 hours to render no individuals CGI.

1:44:27 You know, on their keyboards. It was insanely well done, get it done yeah, that was, I think I think that shot of the mirror ship that got me that. That was like the most. That was the first time I think I really have seen cgi and like since losing the like just acceptance of a naive child, right, like you as a kid you think Daphne from Scooby-Doo is real and you got a shot right like yeah, but like you know, you know, I mean like there's a day you come to realize like cartoons and CGI is not real, right, and but then that's like when Uncanny Valley creeps in. And for me I really do think that mirror ship is, oddly enough, like better than all the avatars I've seen, better than the Planet of the Apes, monkey, cgi, like that mirror ball was the first time my brain was like I know that can't be real, right, because it's wrapping.

1:45:20 But that is not Uncanny Valley, right? That is exactly what I believe it would look like. However, I know there's no way it's real because we don't have, you know, things the size of like Manhattan. Yeah. Perfectly smooth, flying over a desert. And the fact that it's round, so that the reflection is wrapping around it. I mean, it's like I saw that too. I was just was like holy smokes yeah. That was unreal, all right. Well, let's give our thoughts Also not really any goofs, because that's just how tight the movie was. Yeah, like there was some like such nitpicky, like sometimes they have their goggles on and then the next scene shows them with no goggles on.

1:46:05 The goggles are around their neck and I'm like dude, they don't need to show us. Pull the goggles off. Right. You know what I mean. And some of those were even like the extra goggles were up and then down. It's like, okay, calm down, but it was nothing enough to pull you out of the movie fully, unless you were literally a continuity. Well, this is like I don't, even if I turn around and I turn back and you have your sunglasses on, I'm not like oh, that's continuity error. I'm just like okay, he put his sunglasses on. Right. So my aunt, her job on movies with James Cameron was continuity errors, yeah Right, and things like that and scanning through it, like I'd understand if she had a had to be then had a bone to pick yeah, she's cursed.

1:46:51 She cannot watch a movie and be happy anymore thing. She's screwed. But the um, the uh um and continuity stuff not really there. And then plot holes. You know you brought up some, but really nothing that was like unexplained. No big picture things were unexplained throughout where you go. Like I don't understand how they got from point a to point b on this, on this story, you know yeah it was. They had a tight package on it I, uh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do something, something that we haven't done before. All right, I'm going to say Dune Part 2 gets a very strong thumb up for me, but the Dune Denis Villeneuve movies as a whole of watching Part 1 and Part 2, to me is two thumbs up overall Because I just don't think you can watch part two and fully appreciate it with that, like I do think part two it there's no recap.

1:47:52 Right. You know what I mean. So, like I think, because of that it can't be its own thing on its own Right. So it gets a thumb up for a continuation. It's not a sequel. It is a continuation of the story. It's exactly. But I think, overall, the two parts together, I can say because in my eyes, two thumbs are like you must watch this. Right, you got to watch it, you got to give it a shot and I can't say you should only watch one part and not the other, like I can't give either of them two thumbs up full, gotta watch this without doing it as a whole. So my, my conclusion is that both of them each get a thumb up independently, but as a whole story, two thumbs up.

1:48:34 I do think this is like if you enjoy films, if you enjoy good stories, uh, complete, fleshed out lore and uh, well-paced, um, entertainment. Two thumbs up, man, you got to watch it. Yeah, I don't think you can, especially if you call yourself like a real movie guru, a cinephile. You got to watch it. Uh, that's how it's going to be talked about for the next 60 years, just as much as, like the original Dune was talked about. Right, original dune was talked about. Right, if you and I agree in that if, if you are someone who likes movies, consider yourself a movie buff type thing, yes, this is a top of the list. If you haven't seen it, you gotta see it. If you are a, I'm gonna say, if you're a mom like like the mom, like like the classic mom who just like watches a movie and doesn't know what's going on the whole time, it's a one thumb up like you can watch it also.

1:49:25 Just stop asking questions during the middle of it, because, gosh, I hope the movie tells us right, right, because there's, because there's so much why are they doing that? I? hope they show us right there's, there's a lot of inferring. You have to do, yeah, in both movies, like you have to, really kind of like you have to personally be actively, you know, putting together the um, the ins and outs, what's happening what's not happening? Who's what why? is this here, what's happening now. Like you, it's it's active viewership in that sense, and you will just watch it and be like I don't know really what just happened. Besides, it was cinematic and eye candy or good movie, but I don't know what's going on.

1:50:08 So you know, I think that you know. So if you're someone who's like, if you're a consumer of things like this, yes, it's right up your alley I still think it's just a good saturday afternoon. Watch if you are a mom, right, or if you're a dad who's like, I don't care. Yeah, I'd rather watch Band of Brothers again, right. I still think this is a good movie to like watch. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. It's a one-thumb in that sense. For sure it's worth watching and then for, like, people who are really into it it's a two, yeah, easy, I thumbs up as a whole part one and part two together, yeah, individually, they get one thing I guess which. I guess I need to go watch the whole first one. Yeah, you know, to form a form, an opinion I think that's how you'll feel after you watch the whole first one and where it leaves off and how it leads into the second one yep dude.

1:50:56 What if we just have like a duna palooza and we just like one saturday? All three no, I don't want to watch the original original, so I mean once the third one comes out. Oh, three in a row, a whole saturday gone, dude, okay, so when? What's the newest big marvel movie that came out, madame webb, five years ago, no like, like the other avengers with josh brolin yeah, and snapping the fingers End game. Infinity War. Okay so, leading up to Infinity War, me and my brother-in-law were like no, yes, yes, we did it. We hated our life. By the end, it wasn't all in one sitting.

1:51:37 But it was one day. No, no, no, it was. It can't be one day. There's not enough hours. We watched every Avengers movie in order, Every Marvel movie. I should say in order which I think was like 20 up to Endgame or whatever it was, and by the time we were like Iron man 3 or whatever. We were just like kill me. Can we please be done? Because at this point Endgame had been out for like a week and we were like we got to finish so we can go watch Endgame. And we were like we got to finish so we can go watch Endgame. And it was like by the end we were just like we hate Marvel. We just need to be done. How was the reaction to Endgame? We liked it, but like Do you? feel like that might have soiled it a little bit. I mean yes and no, because it was just. It was like all we had done for like whatever it was, two weeks straight was like every night watched a marvel movie.

1:52:22 Did you even like marvel before that? Not like I was like a crazy fan. I mean I'd watched them all up to that point, you know, but I just like I wasn't a crazy diehard fan. I'm glad that you know, captain, marvel wasn't out before then. Maybe it was I think it came out right before endgame. Yes, I think we had. We had to cap that whole marathon off with Captain Marvel Just that garbage Did that movie suck. Oh dude Pretty bad. It sucked so bad. It's awful it sucks so bad. There's something about the Marvel movies like after you watch like two within a week or something, you're like there's a taste in your mouth. It's honestly the taste of stale popcorn. Yeah. And I don't know how else to explain it like the magic is gone by the time you watch like two or three in a like, under a month oh yeah, but oh yeah, no doubt anyways.

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